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Gay People
Look, I don't hate gay people, I just can't stand being around them for more than 30 minutes. I understand its not their fault and that they can't control it. I also believe its better for them to be open about it if it make them happy, but I can't stand being around them! Almost all openly gay people act in a manner I find extreamly irritating and I am a very irritable person. Is this wrong?
I just can't stand being around them for more than 30 minutes.
All the gay people you know cannot and should not represent every homosexual you could possibly encounter.
I understand its not their fault and that they can't control it. I also believe its better for them to be open about it if it [makes] them happy, but I can't stand being around them!
Previously stated.
Almost all openly gay people act in a manner I find [extremely] irritating and I am a very irritable person.
What's the manner and how is it irritating? Explain.
Is this wrong?
Objectively, opinions cannot be right or wrong.
Subjectively, you're as wrong as they come. You are claiming that the handful of gay people you have potentially interacted with acted in a certain unspecified manner that made you uncomfortable for certain unspecified reasons, and you make the false assumption that these potential interactions with these gay people represent all gay people as a whole. I can't make heads or tails of what you're trying to say if you don't know either.
The odds are considerable that you have actually met and interacted with homosexual persons for considerably longer than 30 minutes without knowing it. Not all homosexual persons act the same way, just as not all heterosexuals act the same way. For comparison, I could say that I just can't stand being around straight people because the way almost all openly straight people make generalizations about gay people I find extremely irritating; but that too would be an inaccurate stereotype. It would be far more accurate to say that I can't stand being around people of any sexual orientation who make false generalizations about groups of people, just as it would be more accurate for you to state that you do not like flamboyant or loud personalities (in truth, likely independent of orientation as well).
With respect to whether your feelings are wrong... I personally do not believe in right and wrong, but that is another issue entirely I suspect. Suffice it to say that in reality I do not really care if you do not like someone for any reason so long as you do not discriminate or attack them for it. You are perfectly well entitled to your feelings in my opinion.
the assertion that they cannot help it or control it has been scientifically disproved. the Xq28 chromosome, like any gene, cannot completely control one's behavior. it can only affect it. it you can make one more likely to behave in a certain manner,such as affecting one's mood. however, genes cannot make someone gay, alcoholic or abusive.
While no specific gene or even overall genetic composition alone accounts for behavior, the growing consensus within the scientific field is that genetics establish our predispositions which are subsequently acted upon by our exposure to different environmental stimuli. Consequentially, two people with the same gene may not exhibit the same attribute due to their different lived experiences. This does not mean that people actually exercise any control over that attribute, with respect to sexual orientation or any other characteristic or behavior.
outside influences can only affect our decisions. the notion that we are not responsible for what we do is absurd. in that case, take out every child molester from prison who was raped themselves and erase their record. they were only acting as outside influences shaped them, right?
Science disagrees. Numerous studies indicate that multiple specific behaviors are consequent to genetic predispositions being engaged by environmental stimuli. This is an empirical fact. Sexual orientation is a documented instance of this occurrence.
This does preclude personal responsibility since the concept is premised upon the perceptive assumption of autonomous free will, which science increasingly indicates we do not actually possess. However, the notion of responsibility is entirely unnecessary and even obstructive towards effective social engineering. Understanding that human behavior is entirely conditioned by genetics and environmental stimulation allows us to devise more appropriate interpersonal, social, and legal responses.
Your introduction of pedophilia into a conversation of homosexuality is at best an expression of latent prejudice, but it serves to demonstrate my point. We know that pedophilia is a consequence of genetics and environment, and this knowledge informs us that someone who has acted upon pedophilic impulses will continue to act upon them unless we as a society intervene to stop them. This social imperative alone is enough to warrant constraining the freedom of the individual. Perceiving those with pedophilia as being responsible is entirely unnecessary to the response process, and historically has led to an ineffective overemphasis on retaliation rather than treatment.
state of being is who you are based on your thoughts. the actions one takes is based on your thoughts and is the end result of your state of being. anyone can have a multitude of thoughts, some of which are not in our character but it is our choice whether or not to act upon them. so, in essence, what I am saying is choosing your orientation is no different than choosing what type of cereal you eat in the morning. we all wake up with choices to make every day and we can alter those choices accordingly. those choices can vary, even though we have preferences. the choices we make that lead to our actions are based on our state of being. actions are simply the revealing of what's inside, and what's inside we can choose or not choose to act upon.
what I am saying is choosing your orientation is no different than choosing what type of cereal you eat in the morning.
...those choices can vary, even though we have preferences.
Preferences here is equivalent to orientation in the context you are using.
...and what's inside we can choose or not choose to act upon.
This is a continuation of conflating orientation with actions. Being gay is not decided on actions but what you prefer, that is why we label some acts as "gay acts". For instance some long time prisoners may engage in gay acts but not align their preference (orientation) as gay. Your actions can betray your position.
Did you cogitate about your sexuality? Did you decide to like X after seeing arguments for it or do or do you just like X? You can choose (action) Y but still prefer (orientation) X.
When you experience something that creates an emotion you don't think about the stimuli then arrive at the emotion. You categorize things as you experience them. You see a beautiful guy/girl and experience attraction. A family member dies, you don't go through a list of memories then decide to be X, you are X as you experience the stimuli.
If we can choose our attractions why don't teenagers just choose not to be attracted to X during their school years? This would be beneficial to all if with fewer distractions wouldn't it? Again they could choose not to act on it, but they are still left with preferring X.
Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles; most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation.
I imagine those who identify near the middle of the Kinsey scale could experience a "choice" of what they prefer more but they could literally go both ways. The simple fact is though that the majority of people do not choose their sexual orientation.
the homosexual person who believes this is simply denying reality, just like an alcoholic who denies he is responsible for what he chooses to do. by using the word 'orientation' you seem to be using another word for thoughts, and it has already been scientifically proven that nothing can force a person to think a certain way. even in situations where a person is forcibly moved to believe something by outside forces, within that persons subconscious they have a strong tendency to deny whatever it is they are being forced to believe.
an introduction, as to guide one in adjusting to new surroundings, employment, activity, or the like:
New employees receive two days of orientation.
4.
Psychology, Psychiatry. the ability to locate oneself in one's environment with reference to time, place, and people.
5.
one's position in relation to true north, to points on the compass, or to a specific place or object.
I am using the definition of number 2 or number 4. In relation to other people their sexuality is X. This is the definition social sciences use when discussing sexual orientation. See above where I noted and included a link from a professional psychiatry organization that notes most people do not experience a choice in their sexual orientation. I clearly do not mean 1 nor do they. You are using a definition close to 1.
When using a word that has different meanings in situations that warrant the other it is the fallacy of equivocation.
gay people are like anybody else. if you don't feel comfortable being around somebody, there's no law written in the books that says you have to hang out with them. just don't think all gay people are alike. not all are flamboyant.
I have been taught to tolerate all sorts of people. Maybe you should take a slow approach in getting more comfortable with gays. Some tolerance practice would help.
You mean flamboyant people correct, or are you generally talking about anyone who declares themselves a homosexual, acts in a manner that annoys you?
Is it the being homosexual that annoys you, or is it just mannerism that you hate, that you've only ever seen in homosexuals?
Because I'm almost certain you're referring to flamboyance in males, that air of self confidence, and femininity most commonly attributed to homosexual males, however I assure you. Not all homosexuals, male or otherwise, are flamboyant, and not all flamboyant people, are homosexual, male or otherwise.
Maybe deep down you don't like homosexuals, and after discovering that that's not socially acceptable, you distanced yourself from that, but still can't let go of the disdain you have for the personality you've attributed to homosexuals. Also are you only referring to males or females as well?
Then yea, if just males and you claim you hate the way obvious homosexuals act, you're talking about that flamboyance. In some sense I kind of agree with you, or I used to. I felt like they were being so obvious, that it was annoying, eventually I though to myself, what if that's just how they are and not because they want us to know their homosexual. It also helped that I met a flamboyant heterosexual male one day, who'd grow to become a close work friend of mine.
Some people just are a certain way, if you don't like that then that's your problem, but if you show your disdain either through rude verbal abuse or violent actions then it's everyone's problem. Ultimately if you don't like them because of that personality trait, then no one can stop you. I just hope, from my own perspective, that you learn to accept it one day.
Homosexual people do not bother me. I have no problem with them and some of my friends are actually gay themselves. Although, I do have to say that flamboyance can get annoying at times. It is comparable, in my opinion, to the annoyance of public display of affection.
Do you not like gay people because of their sexuality or....?
I think you're throwing all gay people in the same bag. It's like a time when man said that "Colored" people wee bad because one had killed another. Just because patatoes and sweat potatoes look alike doesn't mean they are the same. I don't think the issue here is with gay people it self but with people who now who they are and what they want. what is it exactly that bothers you about them?
Yes it's very wrong. You hate the way they act not because they are gay. Being gay has nothing to do with that. I know several guys who act like that and only half of them are heterosexual.