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Gaza Conflict

I was surprised there wasn't already a debate about this issue. What are your general thoughts? 

It's definitely too complex to simply have two sides, so I left it more open-ended.

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I think it was Coldfire who mentioned this...

Let's look at the two sides:

Israel

First world country, industrialized, a democracy.

Gaza

Third world country, un-industrialized, a country ruled by a Muslim-extremist terrorist group (Hamas).

Now, which country would you support?

I pick the left/affirmative position/column. ;)

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Wow Joe is this your first time on the left side of things?

Yeah, don't get too excited. ;)

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Ha ha that's funny Joe. And I guess the reason it hasn't been done on this site is because of its complications.

Also, I like your profile pick Troy8. Rodgers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

self defense - cool

god gave me your land; pack your shit and get out so I can bulldoze your house down and build mine - not so cool

DevinSeay(1120) Clarified
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Most Jews are not Jewish...

...Just saying

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Just saying

That is a near perfect explanation of the nothing you offered.

mosc(71) Disputed
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What a wad of shit! A silly Goy thinks he can declare who is a Jew. Dumb ass.

biggaman76(1) Disputed
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The Jews did not take land from the Palestinians. In fact, it was purchased from the Palestinians. Furthermore, the only reason the Palestinians were expelled is because the PLO continued to sanction suicide attacks on the Jewish citizenry. The attacks began after they accepted the monies for said land and started to experience seller's remorse, but had spent money.

Elvira(3446) Disputed
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The people didn't have a choice in the matter.

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The Jews did not take land from the Palestinians. In fact, it was purchased from the Palestinians.

If you think Israel was purchased from the Palestinians, you have no idea what you are talking about.

the only reason the Palestinians were expelled is because the PLO continued to sanction suicide attacks on the Jewish citizenry.

The PLO wasn't even formed until 1964, well after the major Palestinian exoduses (including 1948).

Stickers(1037) Disputed
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Zionism is a secular movement, maintained by the fact that it's visionary and founder Theodor Herzl was an atheist. It is also worth noting that the Israeli constitution makes no mention of god.

The bible does not state that it was "given", either. It was a conditional tenancy. The claim agreed upon by zionists is that the land is theirs is due (in part) to Palestinian rejection of Jewish immigration, attacking their own Jewish citizens, and archaeological findings of jewish settlements.

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Zionism is a secular movement, maintained by the fact that it's visionary and founder Theodor Herzl was an atheist.

A few notes:

- Herzel wasn't the "founder" of Zionism, he played a big part in expanding the idea in the late 19th early 20th century. Nathan Birnbaum coined the terms Zionism and Zionist in 1890 and there were already scores of Hovevei Zion groups even then.

- Before the term Zionism existed, the practise still existed - it was just called Aliyah.

- The leader of a movement is not emblematic of all its contemporaneous or future supporters.

- Herzl and others who supported a Jewish homeland offered places other than Israel (Uganda, Argentine, etc.) as options for settlement.

- Herzl and others emphasized acquiring the land legitimately which is not how it was acquired. ref

(or, how it is still being acquired ref ref)

It is also worth noting that the Israeli constitution makes no mention of god.

There is no Israeli Constitution.

The bible does not state that it was "given"

Um, except that it does exactly that scores of times... ref

The claim agreed upon by zionists is that the land is theirs is due (in part) to Palestinian rejection of Jewish immigration, attacking their own Jewish citizens,

and archaeological findings of jewish settlements.

How does rejection of their immigration mean it should belong to them?

Based on those, should't the southwest U.S. belong to Mexico?

mosc(71) Disputed
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What a totally brain dead argument. UN 181 Jews agreed to the partition and the Arabs opposed the Partition Plan. A plan proposed by the UN General Assembly!! Hello that body has no authority or power to impose its "suggestions".

Ben Gurion declares Jewish independence and that same day 5 Arab Arabs supported by the British invaded the newly declared Jewish State.

Who won the war? Hello wake up and smell the coffee. Faggot, you dumb ass declarations reminds me of the conversation held by sperm cells after to fags had sex. "How do we find that ovary in all this shit"?