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George Floyd's apparent crime and his resisting arrest.
The police received a complaint from a food retailer that Floyd had tried to pass a forged cheque in payment for goods.
On arrival at the scene Floyd, who was accused by the shop owner to be under the influence of drugs or booze became physically aggressive towards the investigating officers and struggled with them violently in an effort to resist arrest.
Video evidence is now in the public domain showing Floyd grappling with police officers as they tried to place him in their vehicle.
Floyd most definitely should not have been killed but in many ways he contributed to his own unfortunate fate.
The ensuing destructive protests are totally unjustified and will achieve nothing more than to further polarize the white and black citizens of the U.S.A.
What do these looters and rioters really want.
Are they using this murder/manslaughter as an outlet for their pent up 'lockdown' frustration and irrational hatred for whites?
What white police officer in his/her right mind would arrest a black person who was resisting arrest.
Rioters, black and white have just given black criminals a licence to ply their illegalities with freedom from arrest.
What white police officer in his/her right mind would arrest a black person who was resisting arrest.
Hello again, M:
The cop isn't being charged with murder because he arrested Floyd.. He's being charged with murder because he put his knee on Floyd's neck and left it there until Floyd was dead. You seem unclear about that fact..
The police officer's actions were unforgivable and in my view constitutes murder.
This cop appeared to me to be a sadistic thug who should have been discharged from the force long ago.
However, and once again, if Floyd had behaved reasonably he would still be alive today, either as a wrongly accused innocent party or as a suspect facing a minor charge of attempted fraud.
I think that in a 'land of the free' I should be free to act unreasonably and face jail or other type of consequence, but not death. Why do you think George Floyd 'asked' for his death?
There is something clearly wrong with your powers of comprehension.
Of course Floyd did not deserve to die nor was it ever claimed that he asked to be killed.
The simple point here is that Floyd refused to comply with the inquiry being conducted by the investigating officers and became violent.
As a consequence of his violent resistance and the thuggery of one sadistic police officer he is dead, deceased, passed on, gone forever, never to be seen alive again.
The videos show handcuffed and being led to the car, peacefully, after having his arm wrenched painfully (apparently) behind his back, I consider that that MAY have been some acting ... maybe not. But, the problem came AFTER he was handcuffed and led to the car. What "danger" can a handcuffed man do to four large police officers?? One of them, at least, MUST have purposely infuriated him! Still .... 4 to 1! Absolutely NO need to slam him to the ground and punish him!
I want to know what they said! OR, was the COP actually the one to decide this "nigger" needed to be taught a lesson?? WE don't know. We only know what the cop(s) did WAS WRONG .... unbefitting a public servant! Let's find out who "behaved reasonably" and who didn't. In the end, it was the cop ... was it ALSO in the begginning? Almost ALL of us have a breaking point. Some reach it quicker than others ... especially if they've experienced a SERIES of abuses! Hopefully we will find out.
During an arrest of a violent, unpredictable suspect events can, on occasions, spiral out of control with the outcome resulting in the death of either a policeman or the third party.
If the third party happens to be black then blacks the world over feel they are justified in causing further murders/attempted murders ( 5 police officers shot during Floyd riots ) and the destruction of property.
Any sane cop would walk away from trying to arrest a black suspect whose arrest required psychical restraint.
No. He didn't enter the "hallowed sanctuary", he just used it (and the Bible) as a photo-op prop. He only uses a church, normally, as a place to marry again.
He "sought solace" from a band of Secret Service and Washinton Police.
We cannot claim that George Floyd is innocent enough to refrain from getting handcuffed by the police. And it is not even the cops at the first place who claimed that there is something wrong with George Floyd. It was the store employee who called for 911 because of Floyd's unpleasant action. Both sides committed mistakes between George Floyd and the police, the police involved must face charges for murdering George and we must understand that George Floyd may be friendly, nice and non-violent (according to the store owner) but not in that situation where he was encountered by their employee. We must learn to look at both sides. Regarding the protest, not all of those people have good intentions. They took advantage of Floyd's death. Instead of a peaceful protest, it leads to a war. How could some of those people fight for justice if they are creating violence? What is the point of the others stealing/looting something they crave for? All lives matter. And still, justice for George Floyd. God bless America.
The criminal complaint filed by law enforcement outlines the probable cause for the arrest of former officer Chauvin. It says that Floyd passed a counterfeit $20 and may have been under the influence of a substance. He resisted being handcuffed, but then became compliant. He resisted being placed in the squad and said he was claustrophobic. He said he couldn't breath before ever going to the ground. Once on the ground former officer Lane suggested he be placed on his side. Chauvin said no. Lane then insisted saying that he was concerned about excited delirium (people have died from simply being subdued face down in such circumstances). Chauvin said that excited delirium is why Floyd need to stay on his stomach.
This is why Chauvin is charged with murder and the other officers require further investigation before charges can be leveled.
If Floyd was innocent of the accusation leveled against him all this suspect had to do was to prove the validity of the cheque which he had presented in payment for goods and the incident would have been immediately closed.
However, as his actions were those of a guilty person it is reasonable to strongly suspect that he was indeed a criminal who had fraudulently forged a cheque and didn't want to be caught.
The point here is that Floyd was reported by a store owner for fraudulently presenting a forged cheque as payment for goods received.
The police responded to the report of an offense and, according to the retailer, upon arriving at the scene of the alleged crime they were attacked by Floyd who continued to violently resist arrest.
Tragically, during the ensuing melee he was killed by asphyxiation.
If Floyd had been innocent he could have easily provided evidence of the authenticity of the cheque and the matter would had been resolved amicably.
However, in my view Floyd's actions indicated that he was as guilty as sin and his violent response to the investigating officers was a major contributory factor in his most unfortunate death.
Of course the rioters and looters don't want to consider the matter rationally and dispassionately but prefer to jump on the band wagon to be seen virtue signalling and to appropriate a few televisions and other househild goods free of charge.
Don't you think innocence or guilt is not the point here? George Floyd could have been guilty to the bone - that's not a reason to be killed, it's a reason to go to jail. That's how it works in a rule of law.
So, you are the one who creates a debate trying to blame George Floyd's death on him and I'm the one who is a complete certifiable imbecile... Mmkay...
"Try to comprehend that the thug cop didn't intend to kill Floyd."
So why did he had his knee on Floyd's neck for so long? People all over the world are rebeling against the constant abuse of power by the american police towards black people, and you seem to believe that addressing the question with "oh, but you don't understand, the cop didn't intend to kill him..." is acceptable. And I'm the one acting dumb?
Try to comprehend that the thug cop didn't intend to kill Floyd.
Exactly bro!!! I am so glad other people actually understand!! I have been arguing for years, YEARS, that Hitler didn't intend to kill the Jews. It is a matter of historical fact that he first, very reasonably tried to export them to Madagascar. Hence, in no way can we hold Hitler responsible for killing Jews. He tried his best to save their lives!!!!!
This is how I am going to respond from now on, every time I read one of your truly ridiculous posts.
While you have other elements incorrect, I do think people should consider what their feelings would be if the death was unintentional, which is certainly possible.
British law is, of course, irrelevant, and it is not quite that simple. The cop was charged with third degree murder and second degree manslaughter - neither of which requires an element of intent.
Did you mention in your post who you were addressing? Did you quote the person's comments you were addressing?
No, I don't think you did, did you?
British law is, of course, irrelevant
It most certainly is not irrelevant. I was directly addressing your comment about whether there should still be outrage if there was not intent, and I used the law in my own country as an example.
Frankly, given the way you tell lies, you should just go and join the Republican Party, because you are exactly alike.
None of that really matters. Lots of cops can identify a fake bill and Floyd technically resisted (violently or not) with the cuffs and at the squad car. Assume that the cops had valid reasons to have him in custody, fine. Once he is in custody his welfare is their responsibility. It doesn't matter why he is in custody. What matters in this case is what they did while he was in custody. The rest is fluff.
The force should be no more than that which is necessary to effect an arrest or maintain officer safety. That should be the calculus.
You can't overcome resistance with proportional force, it must be more than proportional. Not can you justify heavy force against heavy resistance once that resistance is removed.
Once the suspect is in cuffs and is compliant, it doesn't matter if he had just punched everyone in the face, his welfare is their responsibility.
The only possible relevance in mentioning "resistance" is to imply the officer's actions were justified. Otherwise it has no bearing on the discussion. Are you actually capable of following any type of coherent thought process?
Except he is saying almost exactly the opposite. He is not saying that everything they did was automatically justified, he said "[o]nce he is in custody his welfare is their responsibility."
I don't think I've seen video of resisting being put in handcuffs, but there does appear to be resistance at/in the car.
We still need the video of what happened between the car and the ground and more where the cellphone video leaves off. What was the reaction when he became unresponsive, etc.?
I don't know about the video concerning handcuffing, but it was articulated in the criminal complaint, which stated that he then became compliant as soon as he was cuffed.
What is the actual debate here? Are you stating that George Floyd was justifiably killed because 1) he used physical force first or 2) innocents don't resist arrest? Are these really the opposing forces in such an atrocity?
It's despicable that you write "apparent crime" like it wasn't a crime. What was it, then?
Are you really that crazy? Seriously, anybody who thinks that's any kind of evidence is seriously deluded.
Seriously insane more like. Just like the Nazis, these halfwits know full well they are lying. They just figure the end justifies the means. The birthmark of the extremist.
Seriously insane more like. Just like the Nazis, these halfwits know full well they are lying.
You told us Covid was a killer virus, screamed at anyone who wanted to go outside, slammed any reopen protesters, then began rioting in mobs as if the virus were imaginary. You locked people in their homes, then began locking up mothers, barbers, and surfers. Just like Nazi Germany.
Where's the video? Can't find the video? You see, it's just one lie after another and getting repeatedly found out and proved a liar doesn't slow you down at all. Exactly like your precious cult leader.
This whole reality, that Trump is President and that they unconditionally worship him and almost everything else they stand for is all based in insanity. It's mass psychosis. It's crazies feeding crazy to other crazies and it's just a big crazy wild circle jerk of insanity.
This whole reality, that Trump is President and that they unconditionally worship him
No sane human takes a leftist seriously. You're the crazy, angry maniacs screaming when you don't get your way. We just see a bunch of lunatics. On top of that, the left doesn't understand what a mirror is, nor do they ever look in one.
almost everything else they stand for is all based in insanity.
You believe gender is an imaginary fairytale and that viruses can't get to rioters in mobs.
It's mass psychosis. It's crazies feeding crazy to other crazies and it's just a big crazy wild circle jerk of insanity
The left has been chasing Trump like a crazy ex girlfriend for 4 years while all of your claims were proven false. Everyone calls it Trump Derangement Syndrome because you nutjobs are fucking psychopathic maniacs.
That's why the Labour Party got destroyed. It's why the media's approval rating is a negative number. Normal people think you are a full fledged freaks to be pittied.
