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Get this over with...why do you believe/disbelieve in God?

I believe because.....

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I don't believe because....

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5 points

To tell the truth, because it is what i was raised to believe.

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5 points

Score one for honesty.

Though I do not agree with your position or why you do believe, I definitely appreciate the honesty towards it.

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Banana_Slug(845) Disputed
1 point

in other words you were brainwashed, it wasn't your choice... will you brainwash your kids?

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2 points

Atheists seem to have no point to life, aside from waiting to die and filling that time with meaningless things. Such as living.

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Saurbaby(5579) Clarified
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That wasn't really giving an argument of why you believe.

In fact, it's not an argument. You're trying to say that you know what people, who you don't know at all, seem to think or know.

You have no idea if atheists have no point to life, seeing as you're not an atheist yourself.

So argue your point of view, not someone else's.

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Axmeister(4317) Disputed
1 point

"That wasn't really giving an argument of why you believe."

It implied that I believe because it gives me meaning to life.

"You're trying to say that you know what people, who you don't know at all, seem to think or know."

People who I don't know at all? A majority of people I know are atheists who wish to present themselves as ambassadors of their beliefs, so everything they do and say is done because they think it's what atheists do.

"You have no idea if atheists have no point to life, seeing as you're not an atheist yourself."

That's why I said seem because I am merely an observer, I'm not stating that atheists everywhere are souless carcasses, I'm just saying that they (as a whole) seem to have no point in life.

"So argue your point of view, not someone else's."

How is this not my point of view?

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ChadOnSunday(1863) Clarified
2 points

Is this preferable to belonging to a death cult, one that encourages you to spend your life on your knees groveling like a trained dog, in submission to something that lives in your own mind until you finally reap your intangible rewards in death?

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Axmeister(4317) Disputed
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I'ld prefer belonging to a "dealth cult" than spending every day of my life for my own personal gain where the only rewards are either sex, money or fame. All of which I know will one day be meaningless.

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Mushuukyou(30) Disputed
2 points

Yet, atheists have more meaning in life than you do, it would seem.

We realize that we are only alive now, and that this is our only shot at it.

Our meanings are our own, but our meanings are amplified by the fact that this is our only life.

You have failed.

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Axmeister(4317) Disputed
0 points

"Yet, atheists have more meaning in life than you do, it would seem."

Please provide some evidence that all atheists have a higher reason to live than I do, seeing as you seem to know all about me.

"We realize that we are only alive now, and that this is our only shot at it."

So you spend all your life for personal gain, what good is that to society?

"Our meanings are our own, but our meanings are amplified by the fact that this is our only life."

But your meanings to life are made up from the society you live in.

"You have failed."

Only by your standards, which no-one but yourself abides by.

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Kahik(9) Disputed
1 point

I've accepted the fact that I'm going to die, and even though I probably won't be happy about it, it still happens.

Trying to kid yourself into believing you're doing anything worthwhile is a waste of time. You go to school, you go to work (not even a job you like, but one you have to do regardless because you need to survive.)

You might just say you're passing time, waiting for your calling. But, you might die before you get that calling. Not everyone can be the next Noah, and who's to say God will choose you of all people?

It's unreasonable to think that we all have a purpose, because fact is, we are only here to continue the human race.

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2 points

i believe because it gives me something to believe and hope for.

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ricedaragh(2498) Disputed
3 points

If you're wrong then you'll have wasted your time worshiping an imaginary figure .

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CriticalEYE(29) Disputed
1 point

If I was to believe in something just to have something to believe in I would choose something fun...like titties and beer!

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sachi98(2) Disputed
0 points

what do you feel..........yeah god is with me.....and will be forever.let me tell you what is the proof that god is there.......i Can give you thousands of examples too show that god is nothing but a silly false beliefs......little weak mind person

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1.PEACE COMES FROM WITHIN. DO NOT SEEK IT WITHOUT.

2.THE GREATEST PRAYER IS PATIENCE.

BUDDHA PROVERBS.

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2 points

of course. i belived that jesus died for our sins, and that if you belive in god and follow the ten commandments you will be saved. confess with your mouth, and belive in your heart that jesus is lord and you will be saved.

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I believe simply because I found there to be enough reason for there to be a higher being, and thus studied various religions on the concept of salvation theory. I decided to stick with a moderate Baptist christian stance because I found the Christian concepts of salvation to be the most theologically acceptable/likely.

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Elvira(3445) Clarified
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Why only one? Why not a hundred? Or a thousand? There could be millions...

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Vaan(167) Disputed
1 point

Because I looked around and decided that there being multiple Gods to be unlikely.

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This is the question that will solve any religious debate. It all comes down to this:

How do we find truth?

I believe that we find truth through the holy spirit. That when we exercise faith by praying and reading scripture; the truth will be revealed. Yes this is faith but it's not blind. Because there is evidence personal spiritual evidence. (yes it's not scientific I know)

Others believe that you find truth through your five senses. This is partly true. The scientific method has done much good for mankind. And I believe that god has blessed us with those abilities.

I really find it immature to constantly try to separate God and Science. It's really closed minded if you think about it. Yes a lot of Christians are stupid and say they don't trust science but they don't represent the whole christian world!!(an utterly common misconception) Childish atheists usually use them as an example to poke fun at the other side. (note that I don't think they represent the entire atheist world either)

So let us be adults and agree to disagree on the point of truth. Considering a huge part of the scientific world is compromise and agreeing to disagree, you'd think that the non religious world would show a little more maturity.

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ChuckHades(3198) Disputed
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Yes this is faith but it's not blind.

It is blind. One cannot be truly pious without making an irrational leap of faith. There is no possible way to know in advance whether or not the holy spirit will answer your prayers, or even to assign probability. Therefore, the faith is blind.

Because there is evidence personal spiritual evidence. (yes it's not scientific I know)

What's more likely? That you were personally contacted by the supernatural creator, of whom there is no tangible evidence, and one who possesses contradictory attributes?

Or that you are honestly mistaken?

I really find it immature to constantly try to separate God and Science. It's really closed minded if you think about it.

Why? Science is a methodology dedicated to discovering truth through repeated research, experiment, and scrutiny. Religion is blind faith that claims to already have the answers, without the need for testing or verification. It is not closed minded to separate them, it's beneficial to the scientists.

If you'd excuse my poor analogy, it's why we don't have obese people run the 100 metres, or let retards teach children. It's detrimental to everyone.

Yes a lot of Christians are stupid and say they don't trust science but they don't represent the whole christian world!!(an utterly common misconception)

This is something that always puzzles me. Who does represent the Christian world? Is it not the bumbling, moronic creationists who reject science? Is it then the rambling extremists at the Westboro Baptist Church? Is it a Kent Hovind type, one who employs strange pseudoscience to make their case? Or is it the bigwigs at the Vatican?

My personal favourite would be the ones I know, those that don't need representing, because their beliefs are private, and have no place in public affairs.

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JakeJ(3255) Disputed
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"There is no possible way to know in advance whether or not the holy spirit will answer your prayers, or even to assign probability. Therefore, the faith is blind."

This is true but the point I'm making is that there is evidence. Not by the scientific definition of evidence but a personal spiritual evidence.

I don't know if I will see the sun rise tomorrow the sun could explode in the middle of the night. I could die in my sleep. But if I do see it tomorrow I'll know it's there and that I saw it.

-and this isn't one of those cheezy cop outs. I really want to stress the point of evidence.

"What's more likely? That you were personally contacted by the supernatural creator, of whom there is no tangible evidence, and one who possesses contradictory attributes?

Or that you are honestly mistaken?"

You're asking for guesswork. Deciding what is less likely vs seeking truth. There's sort of a method for finding truth. Searching pondering and praying. Yes we have the scientific method for physical tangible things here on earth. But for other answers we can search the scriptures, think about it, and ask God.

"Religion is blind faith that claims to already have the answers, without the need for testing or verification."

To already have what answers? all of them? We can get a little more specific here(and not all religion is the same) My religion is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints also known as the Mormon church.(for the sake of convenience we might consider having a separate debate before we get to deep into my beliefs) We don't claim to have every answer to everything. We know that we sometimes have to say I don't know. It takes humility. And we don't disregard science.

" It is not closed minded to separate them, it's beneficial to the scientists."

Which scientists? The religious ones or the non religious ones? It sure isn't scientific to separate the two I can tell you that.

In the scientific world different opposing ideas get scrutinized all the time and they are forced to coexist maybe even forever. How is this any different? To separate these two things you are disregarding the way science works!

"If you'd excuse my poor analogy, it's why we don't have obese people run the 100 metres, or let retards teach children. It's detrimental to everyone."

Do you think it's poor? I actually don't understand the analogy could you help me out? If you're doing what I think you're doing(which is poking fun) it is poor and I won't excuse it.

"Who does represent the Christian world?"

An excellent question. Nobody. There are so soo many different christian religions let alone religions period. So you can't really criticize them as a whole can you? Well I guess you could but it wouldn't be very nice.

"Is it not the bumbling, moronic creationists who reject science? Is it then the rambling extremists at the Westboro Baptist Church? Is it a Kent Hovind type, one who employs strange pseudoscience to make their case? Or is it the bigwigs at the Vatican?"

No. -but it's interesting that you pick those to ask about. Why is that? Let's talk about that. Shall we? Should we further explore you're uncontrolled bias?

"My personal favourite would be the ones I know, those that don't need representing, because their beliefs are private, and have no place in public affairs."

Who needs representing? Does that have anything to do with this debate?

And who said anything about public affairs? What are you doing?

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I believe in God because he HAS answered many peoples prayers before . Although there are bad things in the world , its all for a reason . I guess

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Alverus(38) Disputed
1 point

Oh, so miracles were proved? Tell me, who God listened to and what He did? And, of course, reliable sources and concrete evidences.

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I believe in God because He died on the cross for our sins and rose from the grave. Muhammad and Budda there graves are not empty but Jesus grave is empty. Jesus fulfilled 30 prophecies and Muhammad and Budda fulfilled none.

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Who keeps downvoting my agruments everytime when I post something? Whoever keeps doing it keep doing because you will lose points. This is the 2nd time in a row.

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Atheists claim it's a supernatural being that's down-voting you.

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Elkurdi(52) Disputed
1 point

The fact that many of mankind fail to make sense of certain aspects of this life

should not dissuade from belief in God. The duty of man is not to question or deny the

attributes or presence of God, and not to incline to arrogance through professing to be

able to do a better job, but rather to accept human station in this life and do the best that can be done with what we’ve been given. By analogy, the fact that a person does not like the way the boss does things at work, and fails to understand the decisions he makes, does not negate his existence. Rather, each person’s duty is to fulfill a job description in order to be paid and promoted. Similarly, failure to grasp or approve of the way God orders creation does not negate His existence. Rather, humankind should recognize with humility that, unlike the workplace boss, who may be wrong, God by definition is of absolute perfection, always right and never wrong. Humankind should bow down to Him in willing submission and in recognition that failure to understand His design on our part does not reflect error on His part. Rather, He is The Lord and Master of Creation and we are not, He knows all and we do not, He orders all affairs according to His perfect attributes, and we simply remain His subjects, along for the ride of our lives.

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Mushuukyou(30) Clarified
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I downplay your posts because your posts are inaccurate/fallacious.

You have poor reasoning skills.

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Apollo(1608) Disputed
3 points

He died on the cross for our sins

Proof?

and rose from the grave

Proof?

Muhammad and Budda there graves are not empty

Proof?

but Jesus grave is empty

Proof? Also, relevance?

Jesus fulfilled 30 prophecies

Proof?

and Muhammad and Budda fulfilled none.

Proof?

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Srom(12204) Disputed
2 points

Мені не потрібно надати докази, що Бог існує, тому що я вже обговорювали з вами з приводу існування Бога.

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FckUAmerican(1) Disputed
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NOne of this is proof that god is real.....

Get me evidence and you win, sadly there is none...

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Muhammad did fulfill prophecies. http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/379/

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A supposedly fulfilled prophecy needs to be accurate enough to be relevant, unable to be fulfilled by the will of man, and provable beyond all reasonable doubt in order to be genuine.

For example, saying some people will die or disasters will happen is too vague. Predicting your religion will conquer a certain area, or a child will be born in a specific place with a given name motivates those who believe in the prophecy to make it so. And proof cant be hearsay.

No, show me a carbon dated, 2000-year-old prophecy that predicts, for example, a natural disaster occurring in a specific spot at a specific time and accurately describing the results (number of casualties, buildings destroyed, etc...), and I'll be impressed.

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Reason 1- prophecies ? correct?

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Mushuukyou(30) Disputed
2 points

There is no reason to think any god exists, therefore there is no reason to think that any god came down here and sacrificed himself to appease himself.

We have no reason to think Jesus actually existed.

You believe because you are ignorant and gullible in this area of your life - but you can be fixed if you do your homework.

www.godisimaginary.com

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Elkurdi(52) Disputed
1 point

The thoughtful Atheist, full of skepticism but fearful of the possibility of the

existence of God and a Day of Judgement, may wish to consider the ‘prayer of the

skeptic,’ as follows:

“O Lord--if there is a Lord,

Save my soul--if I have a soul.”

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Elkurdi(52) Disputed
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Francis Bacon is noted to have commented, “I had rather believe all the fables in the

legend, and the Talmud, and the alcoran (i.e. the Qur’an), than that this universal frame is without a mind.” He went on to comment, “God never wrought miracle to convince atheism, because his ordinary works convince it.”5 Worthy of contemplation is the fact that even the lowest elements of God’s creation, though perhaps ordinary works in His terms, are miracles in ours. Take the example of as tiny an animal as a spider. Does anybody really believe that such an extraordinarily intricate creature evolved from primordial soup? Just one of these little miracles can produce up to seven different kinds of silk, some as thin as the wavelength of visible light, but stronger than steel. Silks range from the elastic, sticky strands for entrapment to the non-adhesive drag-lines and frame threads, to the silk for wrapping prey, making the egg sac, etc. The spider can, on demand, not only manufacture its personal choice of the seven silks, but reabsorb, breakdown and remanufacture--self-recycling from the component elements. And this is only one small facet of the miracle of the spider.

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Elkurdi(52) Disputed
1 point

And yet, mankind elevates itself to the heights of arrogance. A moment’s

reflection should incline human hearts to humility. Look at a building and a person thinks of the architect, at a sculpture and a person instantly comprehends an artist. But examine the elegant intricacies of creation, from the complexity and balance of nuclear particle physics to the uncharted vastness of space, and a person conceives of…nothing?

Surrounded by a world of synchronous complexities, we as mankind cannot even

assemble the wing of a gnat. And yet the entire World and all the Universe exists in a

state of perfect orchestration as a product of random accidents which molded cosmic

chaos into balanced perfection? Some vote chance, others, creation.

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Srom(12204) Disputed
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There is a reason to think that God exists because of the price He paid for us at the cross. Also there was eyewitnesses that saw Jesus when He was alive and saw His miracles and 500 witnesses saw Jesus when He rose from the grave.

You believe because you are ignorant and gullible in this area of your life - but you can be fixed if you do your homework.

I think you need to do your homework and find out if God exists and come up with lame excuses thinking that God doesn't exist. I have already done my homework and found out that God does exist. I have already done my part now its time to do your part.

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Elkurdi(52) Disputed
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The fact that many of mankind fail to make sense of certain aspects of this life

should not dissuade from belief in God. The duty of man is not to question or deny the

attributes or presence of God, and not to incline to arrogance through professing to be

able to do a better job, but rather to accept human station in this life and do the best that can be done with what we’ve been given. By analogy, the fact that a person does not like the way the boss does things at work, and fails to understand the decisions he makes, does not negate his existence. Rather, each person’s duty is to fulfill a job description in order to be paid and promoted. Similarly, failure to grasp or approve of the way God orders creation does not negate His existence. Rather, humankind should recognize with humility that, unlike the workplace boss, who may be wrong, God by definition is of absolute perfection, always right and never wrong. Humankind should bow down to Him in willing submission and in recognition that failure to understand His design on our part does not reflect error on His part. Rather, He is The Lord and Master of Creation and we are not, He knows all and we do not, He orders all affairs according to His perfect attributes, and we simply remain His subjects, along for the ride of our lives.

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Mushuukyou(30) Disputed
1 point

There's no reason to think your particular deity exists. There's no reason to think that Jesus even existed.

Even if he did, which is highly questionable, there is nothing to show that there is any deity simply because he existed.

There are no prophecies.

It's just a big whole sham.

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Elvira(3445) Clarified
1 point

Siddhartha fulfilled the prophecy that he would become a Buddha. :P

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it's all clear to us that God is real because he gave us the life that no mortal can give to us.

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ricedaragh(2498) Disputed
6 points

Your parents gave you life .

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oneaboveall(49) Disputed
2 points

their the instruments to make us but God is the one who created us.can parents choose if they want a baby boy or girl? absolutely no!

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fail lol. .

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What super-god gave god life? And, indeed, what super-super-god gave super-god life so god could give us life?

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Alverus(38) Disputed
1 point

OK, this is ignorant even for a fanatic religious. Who gave we all the life were our parents. They made sex. One of our father's spermatozoon penetrated in one of our mother's ovules. The DNA was combined and we were created. The sex of the baby is determined by the combination of DNAs. No God found.

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This is part of a lecture I got from Schroeder " if it is the laws of nature and not God that produce the universe, then we have a problem because many of the theories which would allow quantum tunneling, or quantum fluctuation in a totally abstract not peculiar potential field, to compress itself and become a universe. Many aspects of that theory, although possibly not all, but many aspects of that theory, require the universe that is created to be a closed universe. That is, space will be curved to close back on itself. Not like a balloon physically, but that space itself curves back in on itself. That means a super heavy universe. All of the data imply at the moment that the universe is not super heavy, in fact it lacks in the physical region, at least a fact by a factor of 10, the amount of mass required to produce this universe. So that makes a problem if it is indeed the laws of nature, it may require some other understanding then quantum tunneling."

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ricedaragh(2498) Disputed
2 points

Gerald Scroeder argues from incredulity, and arrogance, he may be a very intelligent man, but anyone that tries to mesh scientific ideas with the Torah or Bible, just to make them fit, needs to go and read about what science is. I'm actually sick of people using science as an alternative to religion, or as a means to either disprove or prove a God exists.

The point of science is discovery, the word itself means knowledge, if a discovery is made, verified and peer reviewed and it happens to contradict religious teachings, well that's just tough doo-doo. Trying to force science to fit pre-existing ideas, simply because you don't like what it is telling you, is injurious to progress. The Gap finding and filling ethos of men like this is a testament to the sort of dark age thinking regression that seems to be permeating.

If you don't understand something, don't go looking for catch all gap fillers, Schroeder is lucky enough to be intelligent and has the great opportunity of studying in this field, yet he shits while standing on the shoulders of the Giants that provided him with the knowledge he now bends.

I know this is more of a rant than an argument, and for that I apologize, it just irks me when people do this sort of thing.

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You'd blow a gasket if you ever visited the Creation Museums in the Bible belt.

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you must be referring to the 6 days biblical clock idea. Well either way, this is a different lecture he gave, not one biblical or Torah verse. So what do you think of his argument against the laws of nature?

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There were gods and godesses. There were many gods. There were counsel of gods. There were sons of gods and godesses. There were angels, watchers and guardians, in the bible they were watchman. There were sons of gods as fallen angels.

There are gods and there is one god, the chief ruler of all and the Lord of the command on earth as the Lord of the War. There were counsel of gods in heavens. There is one god:The King of the gods, the father of all the gods. The god appointed the sons of god (two angels who ruled the command on earth) the other god is the lord of the earth.

Immanuel named Jesus was the son of god "The Lord of the Earth". Jesus suceeded on his mission to create peace on earth by sacrificing himself. He went comma on the cross and later the angels with the used of "emiter" raised him from half death and transformed back to life. The water that was given by the guard who kneeled and asked forgiveness to Jesus was not actually water, it was some sort of vineyard that paralyzed the body and numb so Jesus will fall in a deep asleep, the only way to be saved from permanent death and be taken by Hades.

Did you noticed three of them were crucified but only two was cut off but Jesus was spare and did not cut off?

The real God is the father of mankind, who created Adam and Eve, the creator of all the living on earth and heavens. He is the almighty god who send Jesus on earth. It was his own seed and spirit formed Jesus. With the success of Jesus mission on mankind he became the Kings of all Kings, our savior and our Lord of the Earth. Jesus is the brotherhood of all mankind. Jesus is the son of god; the Lord of the earth and therefore he is god. Mankind is also god higher than the angels but as a brotherhood only and servants our role to Jesus whom our king and son of god in the name of Jesus our saviour.

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I believe in God because I just can't simply comprehend the fact

that the world was made from a big bang. How can nothing create

something? It is like a watch popping in thin air! Not true. There is a God

that has made us all

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I agree. The world can't be made or sprang up from nothing. If something was created there has to be someone who was the creator to create the world.

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Who made god? You like to use logic when it suits you, and if it's so irrational that something can come from nothing, how can god (something) have spontaneously sprung into existence? Certainly god is more complex than this universe, and if complexity implies creation then something even more complex must've made god. The notion that because something exists it must have a creator leads us down a long line of god creating us, and a god creating our god, and a god creating the god the created our god, yet another god that created that god, and so on.

Inability to comprehend is not a reason to put faith in magic. Im not sure if I believe all the notions asserted in the big bang theory, and I am certainly not scientifically literate enough to truly understand it, and as such I dont put any blind faith in the idea. It's a theory.

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TudorRose(117) Disputed
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The idea that the universe was created ex nihilo (from nothing) is inherent in most religious ideologies, mainly in ancient Greek mythology. The evidence for the Big Bang is far more convincing than the existence of any kind of God, gods or imaginary friends.. whatever you want to call them. The evidence lies in the ratio of hydrogen to helium 76:24, microwave radiation and red shift (the idea that the universe is continually expanding). About three minutes after the Big Bang, nucleosynthesis began which is very important because it allowed the temperrature of the universe and its density to decrease below that which is required for nuclear fusionn. It encompassed the entire universe lasting about seventeen minutes in totaland most of all it prevented the heavier elements (like beryllium) from coming to life whilst simultaneously allowing unburned light elements to exist unhindered (such as deuterium). Having said that, the Big Bang is after all, still only a theory but like I said, it is more believable than the existence of a man in the sky.

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Alverus(38) Disputed
1 point

Hm... Tell me, who created God? Or He just popped out of nothing, just like you said that is impossible to happen?

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Elvira(3445) Clarified
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Just because you don't agree with one theory doesn't mean that you won't like any others. I subscribe to the cyclical bigbang-bigcrunch theory, and infinite time. It makes sense to me.

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libertyFTW(213) Disputed
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Who created God, I quote "how can nothing create something"?

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I believe that there is a force that exists outside of our four dimensions that created our existence. I do not believe that the physics of the 4 dimensional world can explain the spontaneous creation of the universe.

This "God," however, cannot be the immoral God of the Bible or the Quran. There is no evidence of his direct intervention within our lives either, so for all intensive purposes he doesn't "exist" in a manner of speaking, but all evidence I have seen indicates that he must.

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nummi(1435) Disputed
1 point

In reality there are no dimension. They are made up by humans for humans to make our lives easier, to give existence some kind of explanation.

There are particles, energies, forces and CHANGE between them. What we see, hear, or sense in any manner is basically that change.

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How can you be sure there is no other dimension? ever since dimensions were added, the laws of physics have fit in beautifully.

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LokiLoks(25) Disputed
1 point

I use the term dimension, you choose to ascribe reality other terms. If you'd like me to rephrase using your terms then here you go:

I believe that the evidence shows that the existence of particles, energies, forces and change between them cannot have come to exist without some external unknown. I believe that the creation of something so complex requires intent, so therefore I believe there is evidence for a creator or God.

Evidence also shows that he doesn't involve himself in our existence other than the creation and that he doesn't listen to prayers, doesn't require worship, doesn't have a hell to send us to, and basically doesn't matter.

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That's almost similar to what I believe. I think there may be some genuine divine intervention in the bible, but it all sounds like they were demon deities to me. Jesus seemed to speak about a buddhic deity and Christians today talk about a trinity deity. It's confusing.

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I believe in God because he is the almighty. It is with him that all things are possible. It is a sin called contentment to not believe in God. There is indisputable video evidence that God and Jesus exist. There is proof that God and Jesus exist because of miracles.

Side: I believe because.....
riahlize(1573) Disputed
1 point

Following your logic...

If another group / sacred text claims miracles to have happened then that proves the existence of their gods as well, right?

And video evidence of them? Are you trolling?

Side: I don't believe because....
1 point

I definetely believe in God because I have been raised in such conditions. God always helps me in difficult situations.

Side: I believe because.....
Jungelson(3954) Disputed
1 point

Yeah, God is super because he gave life? Well i guess hes also great, because he gave death. Oh what a wonderful being. SARCASM Jesus if you were born in a Islamic family, you wouldn't be coming out with this BULLSHIT what makes you think that YOUR god is the right one, there are loads of other religions all thinking that THEIR god is the real one. You're just like all those other ignorant morons.

Side: I don't believe because....
2 points

Actually we worship the same God as the Christians do.........................................

Side: I believe because.....
1 point

I belive in it due to that it gives life more meaning. If we are just a natural thing then that, from what i understand, implies that when we die we are dead.

By beliveing in afterlife it gives this one a little bit more, so when your old you don't get depressed.

Side: I believe because.....
riahlize(1573) Disputed
1 point

So I should go to my grave believing in God and an afterlife so I don't get depressed?

Why not believe in Santa, then?

Same concept except you get rewarded before you die and he updates every year.

When do fantasies become more important than the truth simply because the truth is depressing to you?

Side: I don't believe because....

Argument for someone who should believe:

I'm 14 and live in the slums of [insert country]. My father died when I was young and my mother is sick. I work three jobs and barely am able to feed my two brothers. Some may ask why I believe in God. He put me in these miserable conditions, right? But it is all I have to look for. I can't make things change. I can't make others change. I can't just believe that things can never change. God will change them. I have to believe that he will.

Side: I believe because.....

Originally I believed simply because I was raised that way, but things happened in my life that made me question it. Then research was done and yes it was probably biased but to me its because of the research I did.

Side: I believe because.....

Well you see, the earth is old enough for evolution to happen once, yet the first micro organism somehow consisted of reproduction, why would any form of life think that it had to reproduce? It is like we know we are going to die. We know we are going to die, but did the first bacteria? There are a huge umber of other things a bacteria could have had but reproduction? It's so weird when you think about it. Again, why would any form of life have reproduction? It did not know it was going to die.

I seriously hope I did not sound stupid.

And we don't know what emotions are. I am not talking about stimulation in the brain, I am talking about the actual feeling, this is so mind-boggling.

Side: I believe because.....
ricedaragh(2498) Disputed
1 point

Reproduction is a characteristic of life, along with energy use, growth,response and adaptation to environment and homeostasis . One on it's own is not life, there needs to be all seven, each part could have different origins.

If you think about what codes life contains, it all boils down to genetic material, i.e. Nucleic acids, DNA and RNA, it is the latter that is the most interesting, RNA, comes in several forms, and for the purpose of this argument the first most important RNA is cRNA, it is catalytic, in that it can catalyze it's own synthesisand also carry a code. There doesn't need to be life to have reproduction.

Now think about the way, lipids aggregate in an aqueous environment, i.e. they form micelles, and bi-layer lipids form liposomes, again, non living, but freely observable, as above.

In a primordial soup or some other harsher chemical environment, a liposome surrounded a cRNA, then you have a rudimentary cell, this cRNA will have a much better chance of survival than others, as it is kept safer from things that can denature it. So starts the explosive work of natural selection.

Now we can talk about other RNA, such as tRNA and rRNA, both of these still serve functions in every living thing on this planet. Say for example you have high presence of amino acids in our early environment, there is nothing stopping the joining of amino acids to RNA molecules, there would be myriad forms of RNA in this world, what if in a catalytic RNA generation the wrong nucleotides were placed, this happens all the time, with DNA, whose synthesis is much more strict, so it's no stretch of the logic. These amino acid holding RNA and some ribosomal RNA could begin synthesis of short rudimentary but functioning peptides, from here it's quite obvious that those that make the most functional peptides will survive. These will eventually create the multitudinous proteins we see today and probably in the same place that makes their bilayer coats, this is your first cell.

And we don't know what emotions are

We do

Side: I don't believe because....
1 point

I think you misunderstood my argument i am talking bout the existence of reproduction itself, why is there? the idea is so random and out of the hat that I am going to divide myself so that life can go on. It's so frustrating to think about why? btw, your link linked me to google books.

Side: I believe because.....
10 points

No reason to .

Side: I don't believe because....

That's kind of debatable

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Side: I believe because.....
ricedaragh(2498) Clarified
2 points

Is that not why we are here ?

Side: I believe because.....
ricedaragh(2498) Clarified
1 point

Is this not the time where you start to list irrefutable reasons to believe in a God?

Side: I believe because.....
2 points

Right, right... there's really no reason to... :). He doesn't exist after all.

Side: I don't believe because....
bleilani(4) Clarified
1 point

why dont you expand on that, the whole point on the debate is to give your side with detail and facts, maybe even experience, but if you cant do that then your just wasting your time on this page. This could potentially be a sensitive subject to so atleast have a plausible reason instead of just saying he doesnt after all -_-

Side: I believe because.....
5 points

Lack of convincing arguments for such a thing. The fact that I disagree with both religions + the religious. Occam's Razor.

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Under scientific procedure, what happens once, and again, and again, and again, tends to keep happening, and become asserted as scientific fact, despite a less than perfect understanding of such. It is therefore justified to believe that there is no God, simply because there is a lack of proof.

Side: I don't believe because....
1 point

I agree completely. To invest faith in this manner perplexes me - and I don't see why someone would believe in God other than being brought up in the midst of such beliefs in the first place. There is a significant lack of proof, only extremely old and unreliable sources. They aren't proof, they just sort of poke at the issue. Theres no real way to look back at the origin from a verifiable standpoint. Another point is human nature - A good example being the Salem witch trials, in which a good deal of people were accused of witchcraft, and were either killed or imprisoned, because of a group of girls going on a power trip and people trying to swindle each other out of land. The Crusades and other historical events show religion being used in the same way. So, judging by the actions of God's believers in the past, and some even in the present, I feel justified in saying that the belief is vague to the point where there's barely any definition to it. Therefore, I simply cannot believe in a benevolent God, or any at all, until proven otherwise by scientific means, rather than passionate responses.

Side: I don't believe because....
2 points

So, judging by the actions of God's believers in the past, and some even in the present, I feel justified in saying that the belief is vague to the point where there's barely any definition to it.

Yeah, the good old 'objective morality' argument seems to be said a lot more than followed.

Therefore, I simply cannot believe in a benevolent God, or any at all, until proven otherwise by scientific means, rather than passionate responses.

A God (who claims to be omniscient, omnipotent & omnibenevolent) is impossible. The arguments been ripped to shreds by the Problem of Evil, to which there is no satisfying rebuttal.

Side: I don't believe because....
4 points

Religion is man made. I seriously don't have an idea if a god exists. I do know religions are man made and too contradictory to put faith in.

Side: I don't believe because....

it depends on the religion..... :) .................................................

Side: I don't believe because....
Elkurdi(52) Disputed
1 point

I see you are accusing religions without quoting.... is that a way of vague debating to frustrate others?

Please quote from those religions to be answered.

Side: I believe because.....
3 points

How about Christians constantly telling us about gods love, when it's obvious god loves us like an abusive spouse?

Or here's an obvious contraction for you: Islam, religion of peace.

Side: I don't believe because....
vandebater(444) Disputed
2 points

everyone knows what she's talking about she doesn't have to quote .

Side: I don't believe because....
Saurbaby(5579) Clarified
1 point

I believe that anyone with any individual thought would be intelligent enough to know the obvious.

But I'll give you what you ask. How about how the bible says murder is wrong, yet it tells you to kill countless times. Such as a child who swears. And don't bother telling me the old testament doesn't apply. The Christian god is supposedly perfect, but if he is so perfect there would be no need to change the rules after the first time.

There's more examples but if you wish to learn more I'm sure you can find them elsewhere.

Side: I believe because.....
Axmeister(4317) Disputed
1 point

Isn't Atheism also man made?

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BenWalters(1513) Disputed
4 points

Isn't Atheism also man made?

I'm pretty sure there are no Christian dogs.

If you don't believe in a God, you're an atheist. You don't need to be aware of this, you don't need to have an alternative belief, you simply do not need to believe in a God.

Atheism is not man made, it is the natural state of things, the status quo.

Side: I don't believe because....
Dremorius(861) Clarified
2 points

Animals are atheist by default. When we are babies, we are born atheist by default until indoctrination poisons our minds from other humans.

We weren't born christian, and I don't see any religious animals around here... do you?

Side: I believe because.....
1 point

Yes, of course it is. So is Christianity, Judaism, Satanism, and any other religion you can think of.

And if you meant that as trying to say that I am an atheist, as an argument to attack me, then you're wrong. I'm not an atheist.

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Srom(12204) Disputed
-3 points
Saurbaby(5579) Clarified
3 points

You need to clarify your argument. It makes no sense against what I said.

All religions are man made. Even Christianity.

Side: I believe because.....
Huahahaha(81) Disputed
3 points

No scientific proof of what you said there. I personally think you've been severely brainwashed by that belief of yours (wonder who did it to you). See the truth for yourself, did Jesus really rise from the grave? What is the basis of your claim? If you only said it like that without any proof, then I can also claim that Allah the moon god is still alive.

Consider this possibility:

Jesus was already alive before he was buried, then at the night somebody helped him to escape from his grave. Isn't that possible? He or his co-conspirator created some kind of hole in the coffin so that he could breathe. Sounds more like a lame magic trick to me than a miracle. I can do that if I want to. No, everyone is capable of doing that.

Just because he rose from his grave made him God? Then zombie is also God.

Side: I don't believe because....
1 point

Get it, we worship God, not the moon and the moon God..................there is even a verse which tells us not to

Side: I believe because.....

Logic over ignorance.

Side: I don't believe because....
3 points

I don't believe because I'm not ignorant/gullible.

I don't believe because I value an accurate interpretation of reality.

Basically, I'm not an idiot.

Side: I don't believe because....
2 points

Because it defies reason & logic. With all the religions out there, which one should we subscribe to? Does not make sense to believe an invisible man in the sky created us...where the hell has he/she been for thousands of years anyway? Vacation??According to the book he used to talk to us all the time....now when we use this as a defense in court (God spoke to me or God told me to do it) we get to use the insanity plea...hmmmmmmm wonder why!

Side: I don't believe because....
2 points

I'll tell you why, because of something called schizophrenia. .;;;;;;;

Side: I believe because.....
CRThinker Clarified
2 points

So did everyone that spoke with god that was in the bible have schizophrenia too...makes sense.

Side: I believe because.....
1 point

and nobody says that God is an invisible in man in the sky, many people think of him as some kind of force or spirit

Side: I believe because.....
CRThinker Clarified
2 points

So why the hell do baseball players point to the sky and thank Jesus when they hit a homerun?

Side: I believe because.....
Mushuukyou(30) Clarified
2 points

"force" and "spirit" are relative, incoherent terms.

We have no idea what those words mean in reality.

Side: I believe because.....
2 points

I dont belive or not believe...why? because it isn't worth thinking about. If he is out there cool if not whatever. It won't change the way anyone should live their life. debates like this are stupid because believers say all this nonsense, and non believers ask for proof. This isn't a debate about proof because there will never be proof and god will never be disproven either, at the same time how can believers spit nonsense and expect others to believe it without proof. So it really isn't debatable because everyone misses the other sides points and it doesn't change anything. stop wasting your brains time.

ps. debateleader im not at all saying your stupid for making this debate I'm just saying my thoughts on the whole issue.

Side: I don't believe because....
2 points

I don't believe in God because the idea that an all powerful being controls the world. One reason for me anyway, is that Christianity has lasted for about 2,000 years. But when you look farther back, the Egyptian Gods were worshiped for about 3,000 years. And the Greek Gods were mainly worshiped in the Bronze Age (from 3000BC) until Christianity was introduced in the 4th century AD. That's about 6,000 to 7,000 years that they were worshiped. During those times, that was their religion, they believed that Zeus, Apollo, Athena, and all the other gods were the reason for a lot of the things in the world. Now they are nothing more but myths and Legends. I don't believe in God because I think it's a big lie, and that within a few thousand years from now, the future will mark Christianity and all the other religions today as nothing but myths, and stories. Again, this is what I think.

Side: I don't believe because....
2 points

Because... well , it's simple, there's no proof that he does exist. All God did was just swearing to us to grant happiness for all mankind on the planet. But you can see murder, rape, and burglary are happening everywhere. And thus, there's no proof for his actions nor his promises. Believe in God doesn't mean you're a good person. Know the terrorists ? They believe in God [they said], don't they? Are they good people?

Side: I don't believe because....
2 points

All of the obvious reasons, provided by theists daily, aside for disbelieving in this entity.

If one were to take something impossible to fathom in today's society with religions so rampant, a completely unindoctrinated individual.

Then you were to explain to them the Universe through the eyes of theism, and the Universe through the eyes of one who wonders at these things and still strives for answers.

Everything is far more beautiful when you do not limit yourself to a man-made explanation born of fear and superstition. Instead when you accept life as limited and strive for understanding of this complex, but explainable thing.

Side: I don't believe because....
2 points

WITH GENTLENESS OVERCOME ANGER.

WITH GENEROSITY OVERCOME MEANNESS.

WITH TRUTH OVERCOME DECEIT.

BUDDHIST PROVERBS.

Side: I don't believe because....
2 points

Prove to me that god (I want evidence) is real and i shall give you everything i own and be your bitch for life... Take your time....

Side: I don't believe because....
JakeJ(3255) Disputed
3 points

"Prove to me that god (I want evidence) is real"

No. Why should I? You can take your time ......

Side: I believe because.....
2 points

Because I look around and wonder why the hell is he not helping us?

I used to believe in God, but I've seen things and I know things that are incredibly horrible. You may argue that God wants us to fix our sins ourselves, or whatever, but then what's really the point of Him? Just to watch us suffer and die? What kind of God is that?

If God does exist, he is a major asshole.

Side: I don't believe because....
1 point

Not really. He owes you for everything that happened on Earth snd punishes those responsible for the suffering . but that is not about all religions.

Side: I believe because.....
1 point

Yup, I mean really. Who needs a devil, when you have a God like this. A God who just watches from a cloud in the sky, and sees us suffer for his enjoyment.

Side: I don't believe because....
2 points

even idont beleive in god.........................whenever you need help does god come and help you......you always pray for god during exams isnt it but who has work hard they have passed but who have prrayed to god ,plz pass me or my dad will kill me bla and bla ...........but its tre that GOD IS NOT REAL AND ITS JUST A FALSE BELEIFS.....i ma getting a mood to kill the person who said first about god

Side: I don't believe because....
2 points

I don't believe in God because the idea of some mythical being is the reason for the world is just so stupid to me. But if there were a God, then he is a major asshole. If he really cared for all of us he would. If he is as "pure" as everyone says he is, he would forgive us for not believing in him. I mean really, "Oh? you're gay? you're atheist? you believe in other gods besides me? well you will now go to hell and suffer for all eternity. Your soul will be tortured for defying me, and for going against my teachings. But I still love you" -God

If God does exist then he should judge people by the way they lived their lives, not is they believe in him or not.

Side: I don't believe because....
2 points

There is no evidence of any magic invisible sky gods. Adults with imaginary friends are pathetic.

Side: I don't believe because....
2 points

I am so sorry, but i really cannot fit all my points in this one puny box! Ok, it causes war, suffering, pain, false hope, e.t.c. Animal cruelty, racism, patriotism.t.c I could go on forever about how ridiculous it is that people are willing to kill others because of something they themselves made up. Really, i wrote a public speech on this, lasted 20 mins got top prize, there is no possible justification for God, Allah, Jesus, Mohamed. I mean for Christs sake (< :) the guy had sex with a 9 year old, and we're supposed to respect that? Abraham was willing to slit his sons throat because some voice in his head told him to. And you know the Islamic religion. Each year, about 1 billion of them get a sheep or a goat and slit its throat in the name of Allah. Slitting the throat is meant to be the most humane thing to do according to them. But, if their pet became terminally ill, they give it a lethal injection. If they want to commit suicide, gun shot or cliff. Never slitting throats, because they KNOW its a slow painful process. Please, listen to this, i'm not trying to get likes, i am being serious no good has EVER or ever will come from religion. Either it will die out, or it will start the third world war, as we are currently n our way towards.

Side: I don't believe because....
1 point

Because the word god is (most usually) a reference to a supposedly perfect authority that one can supposedly communicate with. I believe that regarding any being as perfect is a bad idea because it's helps us cling stubbornly to poorly drawn conclusions about reality. Of course merely claiming to not believe in god doesn't render one immune to being too sure of themselves about things either.

Side: I don't believe because....
1 point

I do not believe because there is no substantial evidence to conclude a deity exists, and even if that was established, we must then discover which deity exists for the evidence to have an impact.

Nor is there any cogent argument I have heard.

Side: I don't believe because....

Even though I went to a Catholic school for 9 years, I wasn't rasied that way, or to believe that stuff... even my mom believes but I still wasn't raised that way... and I choose not to change MY beliefs.

Side: I don't believe because....
1 point

Personally, I don't believe in it simply because it feels dangerous, like if he actually did exist I would be in trouble. That's part of why I don't believe- Wouldn't he have smited someone like me by now, or whatever god does when someone pisses her off?

Side: I don't believe because....

I don't believe in God because the scientific evidence of today extensively competes with that. Call me a Darwinist if you wish... but I believe in the theory of evolution. I have no interest in Christianity because if we are the REAL sons of god, then wouldn't we all be indeed perfect. Sure, I know that Jesus once walked on this earth and sure, I believe that there's something up there.

BUT IT ISN'T NECESSARILY GOD.

Side: I don't believe because....
1 point

well first off you probably already seen this but where is the proof? and also its not that i dont just believe in god its also everything, because EVERY single last thing in the world has been made up, how do we know that space is real, have we been there No so how do we know that someone didnt just make up an image? so i have to say god falls right with that, someone said that there was a god and so people believed that person, and it moved on and on in peoples lives. this God figure came from something someone made up and now kids that say "Oh yeah he's real" only really believe because mostly there parents told them he was. not because they met him, but because someone said so. so god is so not real :)

Side: I don't believe because....
1 point

i don't believe because i think its illogical

i really wish they didnt have this fifty characters thing

Side: I don't believe because....

I do not believe in God because I have no reason to. i live in the top country in the world. I have endless opportunities. I don't have to work yet. I can spend most of my time studying, having fun, living life happy. I will not gain anything in believing in God...

The fact that so many people in this rich country believe in God is worrisome. They have no valid reason to believe so much in God (to the point that it mingles with politics) in this country unless they are brainwashed to...

Maybe the majority is brainwashed... It would make sense because to get people buy gum that washes your teeth, the people have to be maintained weak minded... BUT that is another subject.

Side: I don't believe because....
Troy8(2431) Disputed
1 point

Maybe some people are concerned about their eternal destination rather than this short life. That can be pretty good reason, I wouldn't be worried about this.

Side: I believe because.....
1 point

Because if a god existed he has done a poor job at letting me know it. You hear me god? It's not my fault you hide from me.

Side: I don't believe because....
1 point

it's a complete waste of time. whats the point in believing and praying when none of it helps?

Side: I don't believe because....
1 point

of the existence of evil in the world. How can you believe in a loving God with the history of the Holocaust and the Crusades and other pointless massacres?

Side: I don't believe because....
Troy8(2431) Disputed
0 points

This is a poor argument. A loving God would give people free will. Along with free will always comes evil.

Side: I believe because.....
TudorRose(117) Disputed
1 point

I respect that but from the way I see it, the existenc of evil is just to great for me to even contemplate that there might be someone out there who knows the dangers of giving human beings free will.

Side: I don't believe because....
1 point

I'm agnostic, therefore I don't know if there's a supernatural force that rules the world. It could exist, it could not. Nobody knows and nobody will ever know. It's something that is out of reach of the human kind. However, if there IS a supernatural force, being God or no, it gives absolutely no f*cks for the humans.

Side: I don't believe because....
1 point

I do not see any good evidence for the christian god specifically, in fact I see a lot of evidence against him, besides I can not stand radical christian bigots.

Side: I don't believe because....
Sitara(11082) Disputed
0 points

Hypocrite. You act just like a Christian hypocrite by trying to deny a woman's right to choose.

Side: I believe because.....
1 point

I don't follow a monotheistic religion because there are so many other religions... I'm the religious equivalent of globalised. I don't believe in creation or omnipotence, just that there are higher beings that like to annoy us every now and then.

Side: I don't believe because....

I don't believe in god because I am someone who seeks answers that can be backed up with solid evidence/proof. God is something that has no true proof. The thought is simply not logical. Plus, I will use the overly used point of saying that "If there was a god he wouldn't let all the bad things happen" There are just too many things going against god's existence, therefore I do not believe in him. I find god and religion illogical, but that is just my opinion.

Side: I don't believe because....

I am in betweener because I don't want to stick to either side, what with neither side having solid enough evidence.

I lean to atheism because, a lack of evidence for a being that was said not to exist, is strong enough for me to tilt.

I don't completely believe or disbelieve the existence of unicorns, but I'm pretty sure they don't exist.

Side: I don't believe because....
0 points

The weak-minded believe in God, mostly, or just people brainwashed into it since birth. My mind is not weak.

I wrote a little something in the debate "Does God really exists"? That there should cover it. Wait... "exists"? It should be "exist".

It is 21st century and there is still talk of God? Seriously, come to present, this is not some 16th, 17th, or whatever century before those or a few after.

For the good of humanity - ALL religion and the the concept of God must die.

Side: I don't believe because....
1 point

You should know that religion saved humanity, before religion in the middle east, people used to bury girls alive, sacrifice children and treat women as sex objects. Humanity has come up with amazing inventions that you use today during a time where the majority were religious. Albert Einstein believed in God and without him, you wouldn't have known about space, time and matter as deeply as now. And people talk about God because sometimes they find that logic tells them so, furthermore this is not an argument, is is a complaint.

Side: I believe because.....
nummi(1435) Disputed
2 points

You should know that religion saved humanity

In what way exactly did it save humanity? Were we on the brink of extinction? Nothing else has created more death and destruction than religion. If religion had not existed there would have been wars and deaths, but not that much.

You do know that religion has ordered many books burnt? It has hindered science in the past, you do know about that?

before religion in the middle east, people used to bury girls alive, sacrifice children and treat women as sex objects.

Oh really?

Mayans had their religion. You know what they did? They sacrificed people.

You do know how Muslims or whoever they are treat women right this moment because of their religion?

Egyptians mummified their children, the wealthy ones at least, but still. And they did it because of their religion.

Since you noted burying girls alive, why do you think they did it? Because of their own religion? So you swap one for another and that makes it okay? Doesn't matter what kind of religion, they are ALL bad.

Women, in the past, have always been treated more as sex objects. You think the religious people who spread the "word of God" did not do it themselves? Have you heard the stories of priests, bishops, popes and other scum like that treat women and CHILDREN as sex objects? I sure have.

Albert Einstein believed in God and without him, you wouldn't have known about space, time and matter as deeply as now.

Einstein and religious? Don't know, don't care, he means nothing to me.

Got it from wikipedia, don't know how accurate or true it is, but: It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Albert_Einstein Haven't read it all myself and never will.

Either way. Including Einstein in this topic is pointless. It serves nothing here.

And people talk about God because sometimes they find that logic tells them so

The only logic behind people talking about God is plain old stupidity. After all, being stupid is logical, it could not exist otherwise. The existence of the concept of religion and God is also logical, it could not exist if it weren't, but it does not make it true nor right. We, humans, are capable of thinking up scenarios that cannot, as "laws of physics, of existence", exist in our universe with its peculiar "logic".

Side: I don't believe because....