God, fact or fairytale
A discusion that cant be proven right or wrong but only give evidence to reinforce ones opinion.
Thus far, no one has been able to prove or disprove the existence of God. However, we can investigate the consequences of believing either way. But first, let's frame the question slightly differently: Has the universe (or at least the physics of the universe) always existed? Or, does it have a beginning?
To me, as an engineer with a strong background in physics, the concept that the physical capacity for the universe has always existed, is somewhat absurd. That there is no beginning and no ending, as the universe expands and collapses with the collisions of membranes, is every bit as unfathomable as the universe having a beginning. Both options are equally implausible, yet one of them is correct.
We are each free to believe whichever way we want. But to claim that one option is indubitably correct is nonsense. That the truth is veiled cannot be denied, but can it be explained?
Science, most certainly, will continue to dig deeper and deeper, in an attempt to uncover the truth. If indeed the physical capacity for the universe has always existed, then this search will not end. (Ironically, such a search would give souls something to do for all eternity.)
That the truth is veiled, however, is intrinsic to many theologies. For, most theologies would argue, God created the universe for our own benefit -- so that we could understand who we would be in a world ostensibly without God.
Ultimately, the logical case for God is much stronger than often pretended. Though nothing is certain, indeed there is reason enough to believe either way.
I choose to believe that God does exist because -- stretching the realm of logic, if not outright transcending it -- such a belief is philosophically magnificent. It is what motivated Kant to redact and ultimately redefine modern thought, intellectually enabling us to ask the questions we ask today. Otherwise, one might argue, philosophic evolution might well have ended with Hume. Believing in God furthermore subjects oneself to certain moral imperatives beneficial, I believe, to abide by.
I choose to believe that God does exist
Impossible. No one has ever chosen to believe or not believe anything.
Belief and lack of belief are involuntary reactions of the brain resulting from the processing of data.
You may want God to exist for various reasons, but wanting him to exist and believing he exists are two very different things.
Perhaps you mean "pretend to believe" as many do. I wouldn't be surprised if this is acceptable to a deity who would rather demand worship under threat of eternal torture than earn it.
If you want to argue semantics, then fine. "I choose to have faith." Is that better? From a completely logical standpoint, I recognize that both options are possible. And, for the reasons aforementioned, I believe that God does exist.
If it's free will that you're arguing against, well I argue that that is a different debate entirely. Nonetheless, and at the very least, it is possible to believe in God and not free will. If you would have bothered to study the works of philosophers and theologians past, perhaps you would recognize this.
And in that regard, that God exists does not necessitate that there must be an eternal life, nor that any religion preaching of God must also be right. Even still, millions of individuals who believe in God don't believe in eternal torture. Millions of individuals who do believe in God, in fact, believe that everyone will live again in bliss. And yet millions more do not believe in any sort of afterlife at all.
Now, if you really want to debate whether the mind is anything more than the brain, then I am happy to oblige. For, not unlike the topic at hand, there is similarly no proof that the mind does or does not exist. To rule either way is to defy the scientific method, unless you are privy to some revolutionary scientific breakthrough -- and if so, please share! (I am more than happy to discuss the science behind my reasoning, as I am an engineer by trade. I simply omitted such, partially to avoid diluting my reply, and partially in the hope that such omission might compel others to investigate for themselves.)
Immanuel Kant, arguably the most famous and influential philosopher of recent, said that both God and free will were two things impossible to prove. Ironically, modern science has been unable to transcend this limit Kant conjectured some two-hundred years ago.
Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems you are bringing religious notions to the idea of God. That God would punish non-believers eternally is a religious construct -- and only of western religion, at that. It seems you are the greater offender of introducing subjectivity to this debate.
although its never a bad thing to make imaginary friends. they are always there for those who believe in them. that is one drawback that almost all atheists face, although they aren't usually friendless. but when lost and alone they don't have this imaginary friend who may help them pull out of every difficulty.
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"that is one drawback that almost all atheists face"
I don't see the drawback.
"but when lost and alone they don't have this imaginary friend who may help them pull out of every difficulty."
That's because they know they're strong enough to find their own way and that they don't need the emotional crutch an imaginary friend provides.
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I have a simple question: If you came across a fully built house in an oasis, would that be "evidence" that some being had been there to create such a structure? Would you suggest that "science" or a "big bang" created it? Would you suggest that it appeared by chance? To argue that there is no "evidence" that God exists seems to require such tortured logic that I don't know how it can be taken seriously. A house is much less complex than a human being, an ecosystem, a solar system, or even a grasshopper, yet we would accept that as evidence that some form of creator was responsible. Having said that, I don't believe the existence of a creator in and of itself validates any man-created religion as the unquestioned path to salvation or any book written by men as the unquestioned word of God.
But you see, we would not see a house in the middle of the desert and say that a holy man came down from the heavens and made something out of magic rainbows and unicorns.
We would say that a person made the house because we have observed people making houses.
1) People make houses (evidence supports)
2) this is a house (given)
3) therefore people made this house (derived information)
the step by step logic for creationism, however, is not so logical after all
1) complex things do not occur naturally (evidence does not support)
2) conscious entities can make complex things (evidence supports)
3) humans are complex (evidence supports)
4) therefore, a a conscious entity made humans (derived information)
However, this is all based on a single assumption that has observed evidence against its favor. If statement 1 were to have supporting evidence- as opposed to vast evidence against it- then perhaps I might consider creationism as any type of science
p.s. Evolution is not the only evidence against complex assembly: this is an article on self-assembly, which is essentially complex structures arising with nothing more than their inherent chemical characteristics http://www.sciencemag.org/content/254/
Opponents have a way of taking arguments like the one I made and attaching it to widely believed religious underpinnings as legitimate counterarguments. I only asked if the existence of certain physical phenomena were evidence that "some being" created them. Never did I reference any holy man coming from the heavens and performing magic. The implausible stories that are part and parcel of some religions were never included in my argument, therefore, have no place in this particular discussion. We might find ourselves on the same side of that discussion. My only assertion was that some creator must exist, and I would contend that this is the case irrespective of your "complex structures arising with nothing more than their inherent chemical characteristics" argument, which, by the way, begs the question "where did their chemical characteristics come from?" The length to which people go to deny the existence of the entity with arguably the most evidence supporting anything not seen is truly astonishing.
So, you're arguing that the watchmaker argument is invalid, because it fails to answer who created the watchmaker? In this case, the idea of a Creator seems extraneous. In this case, the universe has always been. Logically, it might always be, as well. This is a valid scientific theory.
However, the watchmaker argument is arguing something very similar. Rather than a universe that always is, the watchmaker argument suggests that there is a watchmaker that always is.
So, ultimately, we're arguing for either something that has always existed, or for someone that has always existed. Both arguments are completely valid, and altogether not very dissimilar.
The question concerning the existence of God depends on the five most consequential questions in life.
1. Where did we come from?
2. Who are we?
3. Why are we here?
4. How should we live?
5. Where are we going?
One thing that must be agreed upon is that there are intellectual, emotional and volitional obstacles to both sides of the debate. A person must be willing to make a thorough investigation of the evidence with an open mind.
Many suggest that only science delivers truth and deals in matters of fact while religion stays in the realm of faith. No matter your position on the existence of God, it’s virtually impossible to know everything about a particular topic, and it’s certainly impossible when that topic is an infinite God. So there has to come a point where you realize you have enough information to come to a conclusion, even if unanswered questions remain.
Because we are limited human beings with limited knowledge, faith DOES have a role in this debate. The less evidence you have for your position, the more faith you need to believe it (and vice versa). Faith covers a gap in knowledge.
However, it must be acknowledged that evidence alone cannot convince some people. We humans have a tendency to try to adjust the truth to fit our desires rather than adjusting our desires to fit the truth.
With this said, IS THE TRUTH REALLY KNOWABLE? I say it is. Contrary beliefs are possible, but contrary truths are not. We can believe everything is true, but we cannot make everything true.
God does exist based on the following: the beginning (yes it had a beginning) of the universe; the design of the universe; the design of life; and moral law.
Examine the evidence.
God is in my opinion a non existent being. There is absolutely no concrete proof of his existence. And if you are going to reply to this don't use the bible to prove his existence because that is like using a Superman comic to prove Superman is real. Religion is ( and I'm not going to say evil ) but greatest misfortune to happen to humanity. There is nothing that religion has that science cant bring about. How many genocide's and wars have been justified or done in the name of god or whoever they worship.
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There is nothing that religion has that science cant bring about.
What if someone has so much faith that science is the best method for discovering the universe that it has become spiritual? Basically, what about science as a religion?
The main point of religion is believing in something so much that you feel whichever "holy thing" that particular religion blabs on about. That is what science lacks for most people.
Most of the people that understand and accept science don't actually believe it the way people do their religions. That is most regrettable.
If the sciency people actually took what science is telling them, decided to believe it, and then followed that belief to its logical conclusion they would be amazed at the amount of spiritually amazing conclusions they come to.
Your language implies your definition of the God you're arguing against. You suggest that God is a super-natural human like being that is a him and he influences his followers so that they do violent things. That God sucks and I agree with you that he does not exist.
Science has led me to believe that I am a part of the self-aware part of this universe. I have my own definition of God and I'm not too sure it's possible to logically deny given that definition.
Is there a definition of God you could believe in?
So if i quote Bible verses that talk about "The end times" and things that are going to happen in the end times and then also post articles that show that the Bible was forshadowing the future and things are coming true from the Bible then techically its more fact then a" superman comic."
Saying god does exist is an opinion. But i have a point to prove. Ask your self who created earth, the universe and life as we know it. Do not say science, for then i would have to say "who created science?". Stop and think for yourself when ever you have free time. Then tell me what your opinion or god is.
Asking myself "who" created life, the universe and everything is not logical because it doesn't necessarily have to be a who. Asking in that manner is way too biased for me.
What created it? Not science for sure. Science is just a method for discovering the universe.
Can science help us determine the how? Absolutely it can and it has already produced way more possible explanations than necessary to convince me that we're 100% natural and 100% possible without a "who" behind it all.
God is a fairytale like well the fairies you see everything boils down to a anthropic point of view in a sense that we as conscious beens are always thinking about two things our origins and out ending which is death, thats its Death we are so afraid of death that we create these elaborate systems of believes that are ridiculous and baseless
You could argue that these system seem legitimate but if we really analyze the idea of god its purely Human he has traits that are purely human like jealousy, and ridiculous attributes such as omnipotence which is again creating so many paradoxes that at the end of the day are logical fallacies.
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Some of the latest statements supporting the “fairytale” side of the question compel me to counter.
I read no valid arguments, only preexisting opinions or maybe wishful thinking.
People almost invariably arrive at their beliefs not on the basis of proof but on the basis of what they find attractive. But truth is not a subjective matter of taste—it’s on objective matter of fact.
Truth is not dependent on our feelings or preferences. Something is true whether we like it or not. Being WILLING to take an honest look at the evidence is essential. Evidence cannot convince the unwilling.
When I read statements like: “...imaginary deity sounds like an asshole,” it leads me to believe that they feel a need to be morally comfortable. After all, by not believing in God, there’s no moral accountability.
I was lost in the Darkest parts of my own wicked ways, spiraling down a path of destruction leading me away from His Almighty ways, and all the while im going down ONLY ONE, He could save me. No matter how far i looked on this lowly planet, i never once found a soul who could manage, to show me the love that i truly needed, because on this planet aint nothing but hate and contempt have been breeded. the lowly snake slithering as he goes through the towns of man looking for lowly lowly souls, to feed on so that it could plant it's evil seeds, and so that throughout the generations nothing but evil and hate we could recieve, but those where the ways of the past, my brothers and sisters. the devil had a hold of us and he managed through our parents, down through the generations His ways have been lost, and because of the us, the devil has turned and tossed, We can All be saved, all we need is Thanksgiving, to the One who Above, for All of His Givings. The devils trying to stop me right now as i speak, but Faithful to the Lord and willit He, that i may be meek. Because it is He not i that gives you this message but it is The One that we All should seek. i know that it is hard to find Rest, as we all go through this test some call a game, every single last one of us, probably, training to gain and retain our fame. But That is not what this life is about, i have a Strong feeling that we are All getting our Water from the wrong wrong spout. because thats all the devil has for us is a little bit, of pleasure, then comes the pain. steady feeding our bodies what i see now Is Insane. because ya'll hafto see that we are all carnally minded, and This is the reason The LORD, us he has blinded, binding, ourselves to our own flesh, so that eventually we would All fail this Test. but know that The Lord, He loves us, and wishes nothing but the best, and all He wants is for us to Love Him all the while through this Test. some wonder why we see nadoes and quakes, He needs ya'll to know that its Ya'lls souls that He is trying to shake. and bake if you will, so the devil may not have his fill, to letchya'll know that there is NONE like that ALMIGHTY AND ALL POWERFULL ONE. i say full because Hes filled with Love, like None that we have seen on this lowly earth, but now that i have SEEN, my Eyes have been UnBlinded, and now it is He, He who signs this, letter so maybe that some of Ya'll could listen, and Maybe get the Message that He is trying to dish, out of His spout, so that ya'll might be fed, with all of His Love, His Water, And His Bread. Don't for a second think any of Ya'll are living, All of ya'll are dead and for the devil are you "living" as i sit here and do this all of the "dome" just know that it is Not me and that this is His tomb. He is singing through me in these words and this song, so that maybe one day we All can be free all the day long, and ya'll can say its cheesy if ya'll want, but just know the devil in you he does flaunt x) i had to stop and show ya'll how i felt about that one, cuz its the truth, and right now i have a Strong feeling He is swinging harder than that brother Babe Ruth, or ballin harder than micheal jordan, and in this song he Is Playing His Accordian. Ya'll just need to know that He is our Guardian, and right now im flying Higher than any single air jordan, because my love i gave to Him more than any of Ya'll so i guess i can say more than them. But dont getit twizted like boi's if ya'll know, that me and moreover Him, have a lot to show. we are all brothers and sisters, but i should call us the missers, because we all fail to see the smaller things in this world, without even thinking twice, what truly brings a man alot of happiness or to see the pain that ALOT of us have in us. i know that we are all hurting on the inside, and for ya'll who say we dont, Boi, you know that is a lie, because only with Him and not that evil leech from down south, can we truly fly. higher than the highest of trees or the tallest of mountains, But in Him we Have to trust, so that We may Drink From The One and Only True fountain, only because of Him can i do this for days, and its Because i gave Him my love, thanksgiving, and praise. so now that i have seen what it is truly to be Man, Men of God, all these hater out there who bout to say something aint nuthing more than sod. sorry if it dont make sense, just know that me and Him the latter first, We are just trying to give His children, ya'll some mother lovin cents. forgive me if i pause for no longer am i a vulgar man life is just a beach, and Now, He is playing in the sand, hopefully in the minds of the young, the daughters and sons, i have my holster, and now the Lord is my Gun, Shining Brighter, than a million suns, times two, because His love is True, actually make that twenty twenty, because He is aplenty, in me in you and All, i just hope that ya'll can hear His call, so that maybe that ya'll may not fall, into the Pit, but right now i can say the devil is probably having a fit, of anxiety cuz he is losing his "children" just know that we are God's and with me He has been pilfering, in my mind day and night, as i have been in my room trying to stay out of sight, of ya'll because all it seems like to me, that nothing to ya'll it would please, more, than to see one of your own fellow brother get shot and fall. when i look around me i dont see any real love, this evil surrounds me, but Now i DO NOT CARE, because the Lord, THE LORD, HE has found me. so now ya'll cannot touch, because with His love, im about to bust. with loving Faith and Trust, i put in Him, so that i can be led away from this life of sin, and Now that i have His Trust, my brotha's and sista's, not just the black ones, comeon now, that just is not a must, there is no such thing man, all that is, is nothing more than an evil thought, brought up in vain, so that maybe a man's soul, that leech, can be bought. Quit being evil, for it is Love, that should be sought, out so once again we may be fed from His Spout, for only He can give us what we need so that in the end we may succeed. my brothers and sisters all we need to do is Believe, and then, Anything, together, WE CAN ACHIEVE. this is an ode to ya'll so in hopes once again that ya'll may hear The Call, and will not fall, so one day me, ya'll, and The Almighty,Perfect, like a prefect without the er, Omnipotent, and Patient ONE, that together we May All Ball. and they keep telling me to stop, but i just cant my brothers me and Him are headed to the top, and right now i got The Heart Of A Lion, King, and pray tell me my brothers and sisters who are reading, what single Beast can stop that king? of the jungle we are running but with Him we can be free. out into the open pasture we all can roam, just know this is not me, and that this is His Tomb. its wierd how they're spelled alike but do not rhyme, im talking bout bomb my brothers, and its One of a Kind. in the Hopes that this petty rhyme, can help lead the black sheep, away from the Blind, being themselves, for who? tell me can save them from that? if you dont answer right then your a part of this blight that runs rampant through the streets, evil im talking about and all it wants to do is eat, your souls because it is angry at the Living God, hahahaha for it is nothing more than a sod, on His Cleat as He is Running, Hoping that some of these Words, hit you right in the stomach, and make you sick, but not you, im talking about the evil you, for we are all children of God, but we have made ourselves nothing more than a sod =( i say with a heavy heart, because all this time we have been playing the devil, his part, but with Him it is nothing but a fart, because He Forgives, and Only Through Him may we EVER, get the chance to Live, and im not talking about on the earth, im talking about another, and maybe one day you can see and i can Truly call you my Brother, for there is Life in Death, but it is only gained through this life which is a test, just know that when we die, if you have lived righteously, on that day you will Fly, for the Lord will Breathe His Breath in you when you die and like i said before You Will Fly, but not if you keep eating from the devil's table, for you can only eat from one, and i hope its Not the devil's table. for if we Eat from Him, we can All go back into His Stable, and only in doing that can we Ever truly be stable, only only if, we are eating from, The Living God's Table. and for ya'll who are sitting at your computers steadily dissin Him, i pray for you, because it you are missin, Him and the bigger picture, just know right now im taking a Big Gulp From His Ultimate Pitcher, not one from the MLB, and if you are listening then i pray that you sea, i mean see, but with Him we can fly over the one before, and higher than mike, dunk it in, right for a score, but not for 2 for it is for 3, because He is Holy in me, but atm holy in you, because you missing some parts, we all need to change, so that we may play His Part, that He intended from the Beginning, because only With Him can we ever be winning, but hahahaha not as long as we are sinning. for that is not the way that we was meant to walk, With Him we was mean to Walk and Talk. once again i say this way i, used to, but we choose to live, is insane in the membrane, but He is using me as His Template, lol or templar whichever you prefer, just know that He is Prefect, ha just without the errrr. as i sit here steadily dissin em i mean the demons in the minds of the children of the One and Only, God Who Is Kind, i hope that they depart, so we can All gaze upon The Divine, not like wine or watch, i aint lil wayne, just know that i feel like im the only one who is sane. because i AM NOT PERFECT, do not get the wrong message for that would hurt me, only He is, and He just wants some love from His Kids, but for some odd reason... we still choose to do the evil leeches bids, for i feel he has sucked to much from us, all of our blood, i mean soul, it has tucked from us, and right now He is aiming at it with a Big Ol' Blunderbuss. to shoot it and unleech it, from His Children's Soul's so one day maybe we can gaze upon, That Wonderful City Of Gold, and dont letit peak your in ter ests, for if you do your not getting whats bests, from this test that He has beset, for our minds to ponder and think on, maybe in some of the hearts out there this message is shining, for He is a Beacon of Light, to shine out all the evils, and end this ugly, hateful blight, that courses through our vains, that nasty garbage that makes us feel insane, because no one is living right, and for That NONE is sane. you can talk and sit there and chatter, but i pray and hope that none get fatter, and im not talking because of mcdonalds, im talking about your ego and pride, because We Alll NEED to push that aside, all we seem to do is breed hate and contempt, sitting there looking for another hurt sould to feed on, thinking it makes us content, but just know NOW people, lolol all your doing is letting the devil be your PIMP! ha ha ha i think that really funny, because in the words of man that just makes ya'll some ho's, and please forgive my trespasses my sisters and brothers, for my vulgar words, because i Did Not mean to hurt, He's just trying to keep our faces from being rubbed in the dirt. but it really shouldnt matter because we are mud, and from One we all came, so can i not call ya'll blood??? nah im not talking about them two glock shotta's, im talking bout from The One Who Has Always Got Us, not us as in the navy, i mean us as in the ones who might sit on that bus, the one going to school and to the ones who drool in class, and all of us who needs a kick in the, pause, ya'll know what i mean, im just sitting here trying not be obscene, all im trying to do is get the bigger picture, through ya'll minds so that maybe one day, we can All WALK IN THE LORDS WAY. forgive me if i make any of ya'll mad, if i do know that i Am sad, but how about ya'll just go to the store and go and grab on of them happy hefty bags, you know i meant glad if you didnt you are simple, and forgive me as i sit here and bust this pimple, lol sorry that was nasty just know that i didnt, and know that we are all fake, and its time for some rhino plasty, or however its spelled im just hoping some hearts will melt, like the plastic we are, and become melded into flesh, as i sit here and type in this Soul Food test, for if ya'll can't hear me then your hearts are so cold, forgive me as i trespass, because, uhm, i Am not trying to be bold, im just tryna through some fia atcha hearts, in the hopes that you may leave the Dark, ness not loch just in case thats watchu thought, all you gotta do is leave your flesh behind, and know that He is the one who Should Be Sought, out so we can drank From His Spout, cuz the Lord Knows, man it has been a drought. we are all so thirsty, but in order to be filled its The Lord who must come firsty x) just know that me and Him are going Stooopid, and for those who are real maaan i thoughtchu knew it. and if you dont i pray you haven't already blew it, up i mean your ego, like a balloon, just know right now i feel like taz boi, yup them looney toones, or tunes whichever you prefer, just know that He is Prefect, just without the err. and i say pre because He was always here, yes before you and me, but with Him i wanna letchu know that we can all be as pure, and as white as the snow, just like powder we can all be melted, i mean melded into the beings we were meant to be, so one day we may fly free as a dove, Right over the sea, so that we all can reach New Jerusalem, yup just right where we was all meant to be, that is the Golden City for those who did not, know, im just hoping that one day we can All be as pure as the snow, because the evil has taunted and flaunted and given us a show, to peak i mean perk up our ears and it, that leech i mean, gave us nothing but fears, fears of ourselves and one another, fears from our sisters and daughter, Father, and brothers, but we have a right to Fear the Living God, because to Him we have all become a sod, He is sorrowful and cries as we follow, the evil being, who was never meant to be followed, and i felt His pain at one point in time, yes i Am talking About the Divine, we both cried together, in my room, because of the little things we miss, something just as small as, a heartfelt kiss... for it is the little things that bring us the greatest joy, not some diamond chain, or a, wind up toy, the biggest thing of all that should, is His Love, should bring us the Greatest joy, in the world, for thats all it is man just cars and noise, all the long going our way, Missing the sweetest noise, zes ya'll know what i mean, im talking about the One who is Never obscene, for He is Just And Right, in each and every single way, and for our sins my borhters and sisters, we have to pay, but do not fret for it is never to late, I think we all need to call upon The Divine, and we should All go on a date, do not worry for on this date there is no rape, or murder, or hate, for that is of the devil, and Your Soul it will take, there is no worries once you follow Him, we should all be hand in hand as we walk down this path, called, life Never having to worry about no pain or strife, or for a bigger picture His Wrath, but ONLY IF WE DRINK FROM HIS PITCHER. for The All Powerful and Righteous Wrath, only comes when you stray from His Path, it is there to show us our wrongs...can you feel His Soul as i sit here and Sing His song? and with Him i will NEVER fall, because with my Brother, I will always Hear His Call. i say we but it is Him, who say these words to in the hopes, that those who have an Ear to listen may never Fall, into the Pit, all you have to do is have Faith, Follow The Ten, Believe, and never EVER Quit, for in order to gain His All Perfect and Good Graces, we have to eliminate ALL the Hate and evil, in all sorts of places, i have a feeling this song was wrote long before, just in His mind and now in mine, and i sing His song in the Hopes, that you follow Him and not any of these "popes" for no hope lies in them, lol and if you truly think aboutit that actually rhymed, just know that im thinking of Him, foremost, but ya'll too as i steadily write This Rhyme, it comes from above yup, Straight From the Divine, in the Hopes that one day ya'll can SEE, exactly it was that we was missing, so we can All fly over the sea. Man this thing is long but i should Say God, because this is His Rhyme, and not from a sod, like me or you, if you real you can feel its True, as His Sword aims at the hearts of His good, flying Straight and Through, lol i mean True, but them if you can follow my friend, all we gotta do is sing Praises and Thanksgiving to Him, until the very end, and give Him all of our love, Because WITHOUT HIM, ha There WOULD BE NO LOVE, all there would be is pain and suffering, and i hope that the ones who are, suffer, i mean acating, Might actually stop and take the time to sit there and be debating, against the devil of course, cuz all it wants to do is, lead us, right, or left, but straight off our course. Lord Please Forgive me, if i am being coarse just know that i am your back, and You Are My Horse, lol ya'll might think He's heavy but He's really not, and i Love Him till Death, i mean Life, cuz i have found It, but back to the point, because i HE HAS TAUGHT, never went to church or none of that, maybe when i was younger but none of that, for our minds our are churches, ha gotit backwards but i feel as tall as the burches, talking bout them trees man im over the seas man, just know i cant, wait, My Father, until You Kick Over My Can Man x) aw man i thoughit was funny, because he's One Cool Dude, and i am His, Bunny, i mean Collie, and know that as i, i mean He, but as i bark, that i have a Strong feeling, that i am playing my Part, or His i prefer the latter but the choice is yurs, because it is His Puzzle, and i am the last part, i cant be for certain because the Knowledge is His, but im just trying to bring His Black Sheep back, you know i mean His KIDS, He thoughtit was funny, But ya'll best Believe that He NOR i the first comes first, but neither one of us is No, pause, Dummy, lol but if you choose you can beat and bite, whatever you do just know it is out of spite, and i dont capitilize because its an evil word, just know me and HIM, are trying to end this wrongful blight, and saying these words i Hope that maybe, just maybe some can be given the Sight, that HE intended us to have, right, from Go, talking bout monopoly,lol but no no more, from the start maaaan all HE ever wanted was us to give our heart, which is HIS, because He gave to us, All that is HIS, HE just Wanted someone to talk to man, thats why HE made HIS Kids, HE was all alone, and then HE built, a Beautiful place for us, and HIM, to walk and talk all the while, just laughing and talking, seeing eachother smile =) because HE is our FATHER, He's not as mean ha as ya'll would believe, just know that HE TRULY IS ONE BENEVOLENT KING. lol ha ha i think this is funny, He knows what im talking about, cuz this is all of the top of the dome with barely a second to pause, Just Know the THE LION KING, Has Opened HIS Claws, Blessed be the children who took the time to listen, to the message that a, and The King is steadily dishin, i say a because i am one too, but know that im a servant, and from a Seed i did Grew, i dont care if it makes no sense to ya'll because i have heard the Lords Call, and they, they know who they are, are always listening, and as He types, through, me i have a feeling they are about to call, Prayer is the Best Wireless Connection X) aint no service down here got that type of Connection, i just hope that i get to see some of ya'll at that intersection, i mean Crossroads, bone thugz n harmony, they said it first, man thats the song man and if you feel their soul, then maybe you should hurt, because those bois on the streets back in the day, all they was doing was searching for some Peace, but in the streets, the oppressors, following the devil, have no love for us in the slums, just know that we All have a Holster and God Is our Gun, we dont need no metal, for The Lord our issues HE will settle, all you gotta do is Have some Faith, saying this in hope that some dont see any wraiths, talking demons people come now and please listen, as the Lord spits his song and these Words HE is dishin, out yup you getting it word of mouf, lol or mouth whichever you prefer just DONT follow that lowly snake, yup the one down south, it might try and offer pleasure and happiness butits all fake, HA what do ya'll expect from a lowly snake? remeber eve as she sat under that tree? sitting there thinking and feeling the breeze? the snake spoke in her Ear temptation it did bring, and after teel me WHO did she fear? she had a split second of happiness and thats all it can give, and after that she felt the WRATH which is ONLY HIS, lol i hope that ya'll see, the way we live people, it just wasn't meant to be, i have a feeling that there all up there laughing, with, not at me as i type out His message, and i pray ALMIGHTY FATHER, THE ONES WHO HAVE AN EAR TO LISTEN PLEASE FATHER PLEASE LET THE HEAR. and the ones who dont i pray you dont hit him hard, maybe just a little tap, just like Babe Ruth, on that baseball card x) Peace be with you my sisters and brothers, just know that HIS LOVE IS LIKE NO OTHER, GOD BLESS ALL WHO FINISHED, AND I PRAY YOUR SOULS NEVER, DIMINISH. ONE HEART IS ALL, AND WITH THAT HEART WE CAN NEVER FALL, lol i said i was finished, but i dont think HE is as you can tell this words are not mine, THEY COME FROM THE UPPER BEING, yup THE DIVINE!!! i think im going to cut Him short and please Forgive me, because i know HE could go all day, BECAUSE I CAN FEEL HIM IN ME.