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 God isn't dead, he never was (25)

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3 points

To finish the sentence: "God isn't dead, he never was alive to begin with"

Kidding aside, (although it is true) you misunderstand the concept. The term "God is dead" was coined by Friedrich Nietzsche, who used it to describe how it is time for humanity to re-evaluate it's morals and shed away religion. It wasn't meant to be taken literally.

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You were correct the first time. God never was alive to begin with. Except in the fragile and needy and unbalanced minds of the believers. Much like Santa Claus is in the minds of small children.

LOL!!

We need not bring Nietzsche into this. Anybody with half a brain and a modicum of guts knows God is a fairly tale.

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The irony being that Nietzsche effectively built a new moral religion around his Ubermensch despite his proclamation of the death of God...

SlapShot(2608) Disputed
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Are you even aware of what Nietzsche meant when he said that god is dead?

Did you even read the book?

He was NOT speaking about God, the supernatural entity that Christians believe in as being actually dead. You need to go back and read what he really meant.

Or I can explain it to you.

The phrase was originally "gott is tot." It was first published in his collection of essays entitled "The Gay Science" which basically translated to "the science of Joy."

Ya see..........The phrase "God is dead" does not mean that Nietzsche believed in an actual God who first existed and then died in a literal sense. Rather, it conveys his view that the Christian God is no longer a credible source of absolute moral principles.

So there is no irony here as you said in your post. Rather, the Ubermensch paradigm dovetails nicely with the concept of rising above superstition and religious dogma to create your own morality and answer to nobody.

Did I tell you I wrote my undergrad Philo 303 final essay on Nietzche?

Got an "A".

You're welcome

Pantagruel(984) Disputed
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I maintain my position that the title is complete, albeit mildly ambiguous: God isn't dead, he never has been may be more acceptable to the general reading public, but is no less correct than God isn't dead; He never was, or, if you prefer sacrilege, God isn't dead; he never was. My usage of this conjugated "to be" is intransitive and is in current times considered to be literary: I argue against the latter interpretation with almost the vehemence with which I argue that your interpretation of my own interpretation is highly flawed.

you misunderstand the concept

Do I? Dost thou durst make such an accusation sans understanding of my mentality?

You are the one that brought up Nietzsche; his bizarreries played no role in my formation of this would-be debate. Rather, I had desired to open discourse into the misplaced loyalties and fidelity of the human race without calling on the 19th century philosopher whom I could be accused of misquoting were the debate intended to thematize (thematisieren if there are any fellow deutschsprachigen users here, given that there is a red squiggle indicating the word processor misunderstands my English and thus you very well may as well) such.

Judging from the quality of every other post (as well as this to which I am replying: which, I am most saddened to say, is of a higher quality than the others), I see that my desire for a debate on this site has been misplaced. The quality of thought and composition makes me wonder how this website has survived as long as it has. But then I look at the state of the race Homo with the laughable sapiens thereafter and I understand.

I prefer to think of my bellicose and ignorant cousins as Homo arrogāns.

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That begs the question. Was it ever , he?

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Of course, God isn't dead. You can't be dead if you don't exist.

dadman(1701) Disputed
1 point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiMqzN_YSXU ... God laughs at your (self inflicted) ignorance

foil7(346) Disputed
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Christians believed that God created everyone and their qualities. _

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God is not dead, and we have not killed him. The essence of god is little more than the elevation of concept above and beyond ourselves. The common atheist believes just as the theist does, but calls their gods by different names - justice, morality, truth, humanism, etc.

These elevated, externalized concepts are advanced on faith no differently than the theist assertion of their god(s). Most atheists fall short of the standard established by their own reasoning against theism.

God is very much alive; no matter how loudly the common atheist claims to have killed him, they have succeeded only in renaming him.

zephyr20x6(2385) Disputed
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I think you're comparison is of apples and oranges, you see you are comparing ideals: "justice, morality, ..., humanism..." to something that is supposed to be more than an ideal. The only fair comparison here is truth, and that by definition is existent.

Jace(5168) Disputed
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What God is supposed to be to those who believe in it is not especially relevant to my comparison of what God actually is in effect to those other things. When you strip away the falsely supposed actuality of God the only thing left is the idea of God as an ideal, and so God is not fundamentally different from justice, morality, etc. And it is as equally true of these things that they do not exist as it is of truth.

SlapShot(2608) Disputed
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Wrong.

Us atheist scholars and men of science do not rely on blind and groundless faith as do the Theists. We rely on facts and observations. And we experiment. We use the empirical method.

If we have faith in anything, it is only because past experience justifies it. As in...I have faith in say, photosynthesis because it has been proven time and again.

Where as you Believers in a never-proven or even hinted-at god base your faith on only ideas in your head.

We do not externalize god. In fact, the very word god hardly ever enters our vocabulary, as we simply have no need for it.

Like, I have no need to use the word Zeus or Thor in my Biology labs.

They simply do not apply.

Nor does your god.

Hope this helps.

Jace(5168) Disputed
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Try again. I am not a theist. I am a nihilist. Unless you mean to contest that most atheists do not believe in morality, justice, etc. and/or that such concepts are objectively and reasonably founded, then you are not responding to my criticism at all. Nor did I suggest that you must or do use the word god in your worldview; my express point was that in spite of not doing so most atheist worldviews remain contingent upon belief. You have not remotely begun to repudiate that.

The Greek Gods are dead, aren't they???????????????????????????

Jace(5168) Disputed
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If we are premising being alive on having adherents, then the Greek Gods are not dead. There are a small number of Greek paganists, generally referred to as Hellenists, Hellenismos, Dodekatheists, or Olympianists.

SlapShot(2608) Clarified
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The Greek gods are not dead. As they too have never existed.

Just like Yahweh, who is nothing but a concept of Hebrew Mythology.

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Give me something REAL to believe in, and I will believe in it, something that never was ... never was.

"God is a comedian playing to an audience to afraid to laugh."

I have no animosity toward anyone's "god". Believe whatever you like. Just don't destroy the world to prove your point.

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Let love explode and bring the dead to life .. A love so bold to see a revolution somehow ..

Let love explode and bring the dead to life .. A love so bold to bring a revolution somehow ..

Now I'm lost in Your freedom .. In this world I'll overcome

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...My God's not dead .. He's surely alive .. He's living on the inside .. Roaring like a lion

...God's not dead .. He's surely alive .. He's living on the inside .. Roaring like a lion

...Roaring .. He's roaring .. roaring like a lion

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Let hope arise and make the darkness hide .. My faith is dead I need resurrection somehow ..

Now I'm lost in Your freedom .. In this world I'll overcome

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...My God's not dead .. He's surely alive .. He's living on the inside .. Roaring like a lion

...God's not dead .. He's surely alive .. He's living on the inside .. Roaring like a lion

...Roaring .. He's roaring .. roaring like a lion .. He's roaring .. roaring

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Let heaven roar .. And fire fall .. Come shake the ground .. With the sound .. Of revival

Let heaven roar .. And fire fall .. Come shake the ground .. With the sound .. Of revival

Let heaven roar .. And fire fall .. Come shake the ground .. With the sound .. Of revival

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...My God's not dead .. He's surely alive .. He's living on the inside .. Roaring like a lion

...God's not dead .. He's surely alive .. He's living on the inside .. Roaring like a lion

...God's not dead .. He's surely alive .. He's living on the inside .. Roaring like a lion

...God's not dead .. He's surely alive .. He's living on the inside .. Roaring like a lion

...He's Roaring .. He's roaring .. He's roaring like a lion ..

...He's Roaring .. He's roaring .. He's roaring like a lion ..

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Boooooooooooo, booooooooooooooo, your posts are bad and you should feel bad, boooooooooooooooooo

Pantagruel(984) Disputed
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I'd ban you if I didn't believe in freedom of expression.