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Gods place of existence

what state does God exist in? is it only past, only present, only future, or a mix?

 

I belive he is existing in all moments in all time at the same time but always in a present state because he is infinite. everyting is present to God, even the past and the future

 

What do yall think?

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God exists in the subjective, imaginative realm only. God is a coping mechanism for all of the inadequacies of our evolved conscious mind - our inability to reconcile our self-awareness with our mortality, our need for meaning and purpose in a universe devoid of both, our discomfort with the unknown, etc.

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I agree with your post. I think God is also the mechanism to answer any question that can't be answered so that people can get closure.

Jace(5222) Clarified
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And our need for closure being itself another weakness in my estimation.

Amritangshu(892) Disputed
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It's obvious you're an atheist but the fact you are presenting something which itself looks quite imaginative.God does exist ,maybe you can't see him.You can't directly conclude someone's absence simply because you've not seen him;You might not have even seen your late great-grandmother but can you conclude 'she exists in the subjective,imaginative realm only'

Jace(5222) Disputed
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I suspect my atheism is most marked by my disbelief in the existence of god.

By your rationale, we ought not to conclude that unicorns and leprechauns do not exist either. Yet we do so regularly and this is not considered either unreasonable or illogical.

Given our knowledge of procreation and the state of science at the time of our grandparents' conception, it is not at all an unfounded conclusion to draw that we did in fact have great-grandparents whose intercourse produced our grandparents. This is substantiated by logic, and also verifiable through genetic testing. The same absolutely cannot be said of god; there simply is no evidence whatsoever to suggest god exists.

While I do not think there is any burden of proof upon the negating party of an unfounded claim, I do nevertheless have a basis from which I draw my conclusions. It is as follows:

Science the identified the genetic constitution that determines ones disposition towards belief in god as well as the parts of the brain engaged in that process of imaginative belief. The implication of this is that we know that god in every human conception is ultimately a byproduct of the human imagination conditioned by the evolution of our species. Perhaps there is some "higher power" in the universe, but whatever it is would fall so outside the realm of our fractured, disparate, and inconsistent conception of god as to render calling it god frankly absurd.

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The past no longer exists. The future does not yet exist. Time is not a series of snapshots, but the ever changing moment of now. God could only exist within what exists ------ the now.

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God exists in all times,he is not time-bound,he's a personification of all good umpiring the world.

daver(1771) Clarified
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There exists no "all-times", but only now.

However now is an eternal moment. Sooooo

I think that depends on your school of thought and approach on the matter of "existence" and "now". I have heard of two different schools/models for approaching this subject. On one side it is theorized that the past is real, just like the present is, but we've moved past it. We are no longer there. We also believe that we cannot move back in time. The other theory is that the present exists and only things in the present exist. I mean this makes sense especially since you need energy to exist (I believe so at least) and the past doesn't seem to have energy. So one could say that the past doesn't exist. However, in the way you worded your argument you said "The past no longer exists" which leads me to think that at some point the past existed. Are you saying that the past doesn't exist at all or what?

sambrooksy(11) Disputed
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i disagree. God is the alpha and omega, beginning and the end. Also he is an infinite being not bound by time thus not being past, present, or future, simply something beyond our comprehension but that also can be acknowledged

If you can come up with an answer to that question, then you are making up said answer (unless you have some proof, in which case, please provide) so I would say he exists in our minds.

If you are talking about the Biblical God, then if he was real I think he would have to exist in the present. He makes actions based on things that are going on and does not know the outcome of things.

If you are talking about a being that simply created at the universe (of which there is no evidence of existence, unless you have something to show me) then how could we know? We would assume it existed when the universe began, which was…? Since there have been no signals to us that his existence has continued, we could make up an answer, but as I said earlier, that would make whatever God is simply a construct of human imagination. Which it very well may be.

what state does God exist in? is it only past, only present, only future, or a mix?

God exists in an ethereal state. Outside of the universe and unbound by universal constraints. He exists outside of time, so placing him within any timeline or time frame is out of question. It is accepted that he exists in all areas of time. Past, present, and future. The beginning and the end.

I belive he is existing in all moments in all time at the same time but always in a present state because he is infinite. everyting is present to God, even the past and the future

Yes, that is what many Christians believe.

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What suggests this? Like, what makes you believe that God exists outside of time? How do you know? Or are you guessing?

He is the beginning and the end. The creator of the universe. The transition of time has no effect on him considering him is the enabler of that transition.

sambrooksy(11) Disputed
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“Even under his wings, Day and night they never stop saying: ‘Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was, and is, and is to come.’”-Revelation 4:8

“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.”-Genesis 1:1

these are just 2 pieces of evidence.

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Sorry to be the devil's advocate here but I believe that the biblical "God" as such does not exist. Our need for God to exist arose because we need to believe that life, the universe and everything has meaning and we need God to exist because we have to have faith and belief in something because we have lost or have never had faith and belief in ourselves.

When asking the unanswerable questions of why, who, how, when, etc etc the answer is always "only God knows", so belief in God keeps millions of people sane and avoids global anarchy.

So whatever you believe "God" to be is OK, whether it is in nature and all living things, whether it is in the spirit of humankind, or some celestial being, whatever your representation of God exists is OK simply because we need faith and belief that we are OK and being a part of the universe etc etc may be a bit overwhelming so we reduce it down to something we can hold onto.

Jace(5222) Clarified
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I do not generally disagree with your premise on the origins of god, though I am intrigued by the conclusions you arrive at therefrom.

What makes you think that anarchy would be the consequence of the abandonment of god? What makes you think that would necessarily be an inherently or overwhelmingly negative thing? Do the benefits of the god delusion truly outweigh its harms?

DKCairns(868) Clarified
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Thanks

I do not as you presume believe that anarchy would follow the abandonment of God I believe we created God to prevent anarchy.

Talking about negativity do you think the Inquisition a good thing....?

Cheers and have a good day.

Just remember that when referencing God, what your girlfriend or wife or both scream out during sex. If she doesn't, then one can assume you're not a fan of God. You blame God for your short cummings or if your a female you blame God for the guys short cummings. Religion often lays with the blessed and not those unblessed.

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Of course god is real why else could we be here nature has a lot of mysteries but creating us is not one of them.