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He DID Trump can do no wrong
Debate Score:63
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Total Votes:90
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Good news for America.. Trump didn't collude with Russia. But, did he OBSTRUCT justice?

He DID

Side Score: 14
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Trump can do no wrong

Side Score: 49
1 point

It's actually good to know he's just a dishonest idiot but not a traitor. Very good indeed.

Side: He DID
2 points

It's actually good to know he's just a dishonest idiot but not a traitor. Very good indeed.

You don't know that Minty. You don't know that at all. Absence of evidence does not necessarily constitute evidence of absence.

Side: Trump can do no wrong
outlaw60(15501) Disputed
2 points

You Precious Jewel did Mueller and his team let you down ?????????

Do not cry because Robert Mueller was going to your savior but how did that work ??????

Side: Trump can do no wrong
Cocopops(343) Clarified
1 point

Left wing shitheads like Burro will now claim that Robert Mueller was part of the Russian collusion conspiracy.

Because the Mueller report did not produce the desired result Burro the Filth and and the rest of the nation's left wing insurgents will shout and scream;-, whitewash, liar, cheat.

They've all decided to dismiss the findings of this multi-million dollar, two year investigation as an elaborate cover up and President Trump was indeed guilty of the offences of which he has been conclusively cleared.

For two years the left wing media has been making false statements such as, ''the walls are closing in on Trump'','Impeachment is now inevitable''

We've been bombarded with a torrent of references associating Trump with Putin and Trump with Russia.

All this left wing fake news and anti-American propaganda was aimed at conditioning the public into accepting that Trump was guilty of collusion with a hostile power.

THE LEFT WINGERS, INCLUDING '' BURRO THE FILTH'' HAVE BEEN PROVEN WRONG AND INSTEAD OF LICKING THEIR WOUNDS IN DISGRACE THEY'RE TRYING TO CAST DOUBT ON THE OUTCOME OF THE INVESTIGATION.

Side: He DID
0 points

Of course he did, we all SAW it on TV. There WAS evidence of collusion, there WAS evidence of obstruction, Mueller gave the pro's and con's, the cons threw out the pro's. Two of his "appointees" decided the outcome of the evidence. Likely the second one was ordered to confirm! So be it. He is STILL a traitor! Standing in front of the cameras at Helsinki giving "aid and comfort to the enemy", while denigrating his own country's people, kissing Putin's ass, is a traitor! That's just ONE of several times! Man's gotta go! HE is evil.

Side: He DID
2 points

Sounds to me that you have a severe case of butthurt- boo hoo, baby!

Side: Trump can do no wrong
outlaw60(15501) Disputed
2 points

Where is the evidence of the INSANITY you are told to believe AL !!!!!!!

AL saw everything it needed to know on CNN or MSLSD !!!!!

AL your Gal Hillary was a LOSER get over it and move along!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What AL really needs to be concerned with is when AOC cuts off your natural gas and your LEFTIST ASS scrambles to figure out how you will stay warm there in Road Island!

Side: Trump can do no wrong
AlofRI(3055) Clarified
1 point

I've gotten over Hillary …….. why can't YOU?? Oh, because your PARTY can't seem to …… tsk, tsk. :-)

Side: He DID
0 points

Mueller gave the pro's and con's, the cons threw out the pro's.

I think this is the baseline of the problem. Trump is a massive liar, sure, but the real issue is that he is in charge of an entire party of them.

Side: Trump can do no wrong

But, did he OBSTRUCT justice?

Not according to the Mueller report.

You can't obstruct justice by being a President who fires a guy who says there was no investigation into Trump at the time of the firing...

Side: Trump can do no wrong
1 point

Give me the instance in question so we can discuss whether it was obstruction. If there is no specific instance, then there is no legit accusation.

Side: Trump can do no wrong
excon(14404) Disputed
2 points

Give me the instance in question

Hello A:

You've read the words.. I've read the words.. You conclude they mean one thing.. I conclude they mean another. Here they are:

And, in fact, when I decided to just do it, I said to myself, I said: ‘You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made up story'

I say the words mean Trump FIRED Comey to OBSTRUCT the investigation.. Tell me again, what you think they mean.

In any case, congress doesn't need proof beyond a reasonable doubt to impeach Trump.. They just need the VOTES..

Look.. I didn't like it when Clinton shook his finger at me and LIED through his teeth, and I don't like it when Trump does the same thing.. To me, LYING to the public IS an impeachable offense..

excon

Side: He DID
Amarel(5070) Clarified
2 points

Oh the firing. The problem with that is that removing Comey, for any reason at all, was Trump’s prerogative. The removal of Comey did not halt, nor could be expected to halt, any of the myriad investigations going on in the FBI at that time. Were any investigations interfered with as a result of the firing? No. If they were, replacing the head of the FBI would always be catastrophic. But it’s not.

There’s a legal definition for obstruction of justice. It’s a factual matter, not an opinion, whether Trumps actions meet that definition. They don’t.

With all that said, you’re right that they don’t need Trump to technically break the law in order for them to impeach. I personally hope they do. It’s a win win for me.

Side: He DID
FromWithin(8239) Disputed
1 point

To bad you lack the character to admit how wrong you were for the last two years of the Dem's witch hunt.

Side: Trump can do no wrong
outlaw60(15501) Disputed
1 point

SUPER STUPID where is the EVIDENCE ??????? You have yet to show facts !!!!!!!!

Are you the 74 year old LITTLE GURL you appear to be ?????????????

Side: Trump can do no wrong
1 point

The US statute for obstruction of justice is layed out in USC 18 Chapter 73:

•§ 1510. Obstruction of criminal investigations

•§ 1511. Obstruction of State or local law enforcement

•§ 1512. Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant

•§ 1513. Retaliating against a witness, victim, or an informant

•§ 1514. Civil action to restrain harassment of a victim or witness

•§ 1514A. Civil action to protect against retaliation in fraud cases

•§ 1515. Definitions for certain provisions; general provision

•§ 1516. Obstruction of Federal audit

•§ 1517. Obstructing examination of financial institution

•§ 1518. Obstruction of criminal investigations of health care offenses

•§ 1519. Destruction, alteration, or falsification of records in Federal investigations and bankruptcy

•§ 1520. Destruction of corporate audit records

Of these 10, only section 1510 subsection "a" could technically have been be applied in Donald Trump's case. It reads:

(a) Whoever willfully endeavors by means of bribery to obstruct, delay, or prevent the communication of information relating to a violation of any criminal statute of the United States by any person to a criminal investigator shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

Nobody has proven that during the course of Mueller's investigation, Donald Trump "willfully endeavored by means of bribery to obstruct, delay, or prevent the communication of information relating to a violation of any criminal statute of the United States by any person to a criminal investigator".

Case closed.

Side: Trump can do no wrong
1 point

Butthurt moron is obviously triggered by US law and downvoting my post where I was stating the facts. Way to go bolshevic retard!

Side: Trump can do no wrong
1 point

Butthurt moron is obviously triggered by US law and downvoting my post where I was stating the facts. Way to go bolshevic retard!

Strange how last night you are a Russian who doesn't understand English and this morning you're an expert in American law!! Lol.

I downvoted you too, on the grounds that you're a pathological liar and a complete fucking idiot.

Side: He DID
1 point

Still don't have any job to tell us about, eh Nom?

Side: Trump can do no wrong
BigOats(1423) Disputed
-1 points

Strange how last night you are a Russian who doesn't understand English

I never said that you moron. I said that I had made one mistake in my English. This doesn't mean that I "don;t understand English". Nor does it mean that I don't understand law.

Side: Trump can do no wrong
1 point

The US statute for obstruction of justice is layed out in USC 18 Chapter 73:

•§ 1510. Obstruction of criminal investigations

•§ 1511. Obstruction of State or local law enforcement

•§ 1512. Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant

•§ 1513. Retaliating against a witness, victim, or an informant

•§ 1514. Civil action to restrain harassment of a victim or witness

•§ 1514A. Civil action to protect against retaliation in fraud cases

•§ 1515. Definitions for certain provisions; general provision

•§ 1516. Obstruction of Federal audit

•§ 1517. Obstructing examination of financial institution

•§ 1518. Obstruction of criminal investigations of health care offenses

•§ 1519. Destruction, alteration, or falsification of records in Federal investigations and bankruptcy

•§ 1520. Destruction of corporate audit records

Of these 10, only section 1510 subsection "a" could technically have been be applied in Donald Trump's case. It reads:

(a) Whoever willfully endeavors by means of bribery to obstruct, delay, or prevent the communication of information relating to a violation of any criminal statute of the United States by any person to a criminal investigator shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

Nobody has proven that during the course of Mueller's investigation, Donald Trump "willfully endeavored by means of bribery to obstruct, delay, or prevent the communication of information relating to a violation of any criminal statute of the United States by any person to a criminal investigator".

Case closed.

Side: Trump can do no wrong

He's done none of the above. He is free and clear. He was never officially charged with anything and, therefore, does not need to be officially exonerated. Case closed, let's move on.

Side: Trump can do no wrong
1 point

SUPER STUPID i do believe that there were 60 million RUSSIANS that voted for TRUMP so what is the APPROPRIATE penalty for those that oppose the TOTALITARIAN STATE ?????

Side: Trump can do no wrong
1 point

SUPER STUPID but where is the OBSTRUCTION of JUSTICE that you are told to BELIEVE?

Show UP with some FACTS or SHUT the FUCK up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: Trump can do no wrong
1 point

If you understand that Trump didn’t collude, then surely he understood that too. Since he knew he didn’t collude, what would he have to obstruct?

Side: Trump can do no wrong
excon(14404) Disputed
1 point

If you understand that Trump didn’t collude, then surely he understood that too. Since he knew he didn’t collude, what would he have to obstruct?

Hello again, A:

I suggest there does NOT have to be an underlying crime in order to seek an obstruction of justice conviction..

To wit. This is what findlaw says:

The elements required for a conviction on an obstruction of justice charge differ slightly by code section. For instance, prosecutors must prove the following elements for a conviction under section 1503 of the federal statute (influencing or injuring an officer or juror):

There was a pending federal judicial proceeding;

The defendant knew of the proceeding; and

The defendant had corrupt intent to interfere with or attempted to interfere with the proceeding.

But regardless of the specific section of federal law (1501 through 1521) cited in a particular case, the prosecution need not prove any actual obstruction -- the defendant's attempt to obstruct is enough. The element of intent, which is central to such cases, is also usually the most difficult to prove; although memos, phone calls, and recorded conversations may be used as evidence to establish this.

https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/obstruction-of-justice.html

excon

Side: He DID
Amarel(5070) Disputed
1 point

If you knew you were innocent, would you obstruct the investigation?

Side: Trump can do no wrong