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 Government is not bad (11)

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Government is not bad

Why do so many conservatives and conservative movements hate the government so much? While affecting change though the government is slow it happens all the time. I don't know of any cases in modern times where say 75% (large majority) of the population wanted something and after a few election cycles they could not get it? If that's true, the government is just doing what the majority of people want? Thats democracy. Seems like "hating government" just means you hate that most people don't share your particular view? While it can  be frustrating when the majority of people dont share your views on one topic or another that's not the governments fault?

You could argue the government is corruptible, which is true but isn't it corruptible in "all directions"? In fact, since the people with most of the power to corrupt (the rich and big business) generally support and are supported by conservative views, doesn't that corruption actually help the conservative movement?

 

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Government is good for one thing, and for one thing only; providing a patriarchal figure to those who need it. Everything else government offers can be done more efficiently by the private sector.

MrPrime(268) Disputed
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I understand that ideology, but your not really addressing any of the specific points of the debate?

ChuckHades(3197) Clarified
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I did. My point was that hatred of government is justified when it's as inefficient and incompetent as it is.

Conservitives not nessicary hate goverment, often they get upset when the federal goverement oversteps it's bounds, which threatens induvidual libirties. The last 60 years or so has been a major turning point in American politics, with the federal goverment growing more in power at the expense of the states.

MrPrime(268) Disputed
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True they rarely say "I hate the government", but their tone and ideology exudes that feeling.

I understand where they stand on issues, but this still does not answer the questions of the debate. We are not "ruled" by the government the government is ruled by us? When the government "oversteps its bounds" (given a few election cycles, i.e. 60 years) its because the majority of the people want it to. Maybe you did not want it to, but most people did. I still don't see how the government as an institution did anything wrong? Shouldn't you be upset with your liberal neighbors instead?

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It is not always what the people want. Look at the civil rights act. Even though i personally support equality for all ethnicities, back then there was a lot of objection to it. The majority of states such as Arkansaw and Alabama were against it, but the federal goverment still went over their heads.

And while the civil rights act does have just reasoning behind it, there are other actions taken by the goverment that were less ethical. The patriot act, income tax, torture in interogrations, etc. Look at interest groups. One of the reasons why we have not been so progressive with alternative engery sources is becase oil companies that been lobbying against such programs as it could hurt their buissness.

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Too much of anything is bad we can all agree on that. Question is the definition of too much.

MrPrime(268) Clarified
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OK. So are conservatives justified in calling our (US) government "bad"?

JakeJ(3255) Clarified
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No. Unless they're talking about pacific individuals within the government.

Conservatives usually criticize the size of the government and sometimes get carried away with it in which they would be guilty of hast generalization.

Take note that it's the same fallacy to say that all conservatives say our gov is bad. Just like one individual saying everyone in the u.s. gov is bad. I don't know which conservatives you were talking about but it sounded pretty general.

But regardless of the context it's still subjective because "bad" is hard to define.

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Government is good for us in the states, bad for other countries. We paid our taxes hard so that manufacturing could take place. Unlike the people at third world countries, who haven't paid anything will want some government bailout infrastructure or nationalization. It's socialism and there's no doubt.

Freedom is for us Americans as god intended. Third world countries haven't shown responsible enough to form democracy. They should stay safe with our supported regimes instead. All the violence in the world could go away if these socialists just listened to America for once!

MrPrime(268) Clarified
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Not sure I understand your position? If it's "Americas government is good, but some other countries have a bad government" then I agree.