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Debate Score:127
Arguments:64
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Greece VS Rome

Greek has mythology, tales that are still told today and many books have been written dedicated to them, they have technology and fantastic ideas combined with philosophers known well today.

 

Rome is known for its strong military power, yet it too has technology and discipline far more advanced than most things in that time period. 

 

But which is best - which do you prefer? 

 

Greece VS Rome

Greece

Side Score: 84
VS.

Rome

Side Score: 43
5 points

I prefer Greece.

Without many of the things Greece had, Rome would not be as powerful as it was. Greece taught the Romans a lot of things: they taught them about Gods - the god Zeus was God of the sky, and although the Romans had Jupiter, the God does the same thing (throw lightning bolts and has the same hobbies). Some of the Gods such as Apollo even had the same name. Of course there were additional Gods that the Romans had, such as Bellona, but the majority of them were originally Greek, and the picture in the description supports that.

Greece had many philosophers who thought freely, and although the nation was not always free-thinking they were more so than the Romans, who executed anyone they didn't like by crucifying them.

Rome did defeat Greece eventually, but it took a long time because of how ingenious the Greeks could be. At first the Romans could't go near the Greeks because every time they tried mirrors would reflect the sun onto their ships and burn them. This is not to say that the Romans never had good ideas, but they were not nearly as inventive or successful as the Greeks'. There is evidence of the Greeks planning on making robots with three legs. That is how far ahead they were of their time. We have only started to experiment with robots recently, but to think they have had the idea thousands of years ago is astonishing.

I therefore conclude that although the Romans were a successful race militarily, there isn't much depth besides that. They had contests to the death whereas Greeks had the good idea of founding the Olympics - and if you enjoy some part of the Olympics then you must support Greece in this debate. Apart from their military power, they didn't have as much depth.

The Romans made roads, but the Greeks had flying horses.

Side: Greece
Cuaroc(8827) Disputed
4 points

At first the Romans could't go near the Greeks because every time they tried mirrors would reflect the sun onto their ships and burn them.

thats been disproven.

but the Greeks had flying horses.

no they did'nt

Side: Greece
Micmacmoc(2259) Disputed
2 points

Could you please show me who has disproven this to you? Because I was shown quite recently by a Horrible Histories book that a famous philosopher thought of the idea and kept the Roman ships at bay for ages.

The flying horses are called pegasi.

Supporting Evidence: Pegasi Family (static.wix.com)
Side: Rome
1 point

How do you know they didn't have flying horses Cuaroc? Lol. Citation needed...

Side: Rome
marcusmoon(579) Clarified
1 point

Actually, the concave brass mirrors were used to focus the sun onto Roman ships during the Siege of Syracuse in 212 BC.

Archimedes (who also applied mathematics to the explanation of the lever and other simple machines) acted as an engineer for defensive devices to protect Syracuse when Rome attacked it during the Second Punic War.

When Syracuse was finally overrun, the Roman soldiers were ordered not to kill Archimedes, but to capture him and take him to the General Marcellus. A Roman soldier ended up killing him anyway because he Archimedes would not go with him.

Side: Greece
matthewmorri(1) Disputed
1 point

The Roman Empire did kill a lot of people, but the Roman republic was different. Also, romans were fucking rich they had a better GDP per capita than the greeks too. Romans did have contests to the death, but they were just bloody people. They liked that kind of thing because it showed that they could massacare gladiators and still hold up the empire. It was NOT barbaric. They were classy, but liked suffering too. it was just the culture. And romans pretty much invented modern civilization too. They paid taxes for schools, invented roads, invented sewage, and heating systems. Greece was TRYING to make robot but didn't while the Romans actually DID shit. And they lasted 1,000 years too.

Side: Rome
nutella(2) Disputed
1 point

well then, what can you say about Caligula? I mean Caligula executed people without full trials and for forcing the Praetorian prefect, Macro, to commit suicide. Macro had fallen out of favour with the emperor, probably due to an attempt to ally himself with Gemellus when it appeared that Caligula might die of fever.

Side: Greece
1 point

I SUPPORT THE GREEKS!ROMANS ARE A BUNCH OF COPYCATS. While I agree that Romans had a better military, they originally got a ton of their ideas FROM Greece. Romans did have some of their own ideas, but some were inspired by Greeks. I have to side with the Greeks. Rome, yes, did eventually defeat the Greeks, but still! Rome would not be as powerful, I would say that the Romans looked up TO the Greeks until they were powerful enough to take over the Greeks. I would even go to say that without the Greeks intelligence, slyness, and ideas, that the Romans would have never been able to even take over Greece. You have to look at it like this: The Romans might not have been able to even be as powerful as they became and they might not even have become the civilization we know them as today. If the Romans didn't copy the Greeks, then the Greeks the might have taken over Rome and became like Rome(except better). Greeks had many ideas and even ones about making robots. We also get ideas from Greece. We use letters from Greece. Without Greece, we may not even be like we are today. Little things like that can affect the world so much. Greeks did a lot for everyone, and I say that the Romans should not have taken over Greece, I feel that they should have maybe joined sides, allianced! With the intelligence of the Greeks and the strength of the Romans, they could have had great success together. I still think that Greeks are way better though. I think that it is very impressive that the Greeks thought of robots thousands of years before we did! You have to say, those that favor Rome, this did change your mind just a little bit, or at least got you thinking.

Side: Greece
1 point

May I also mention that Romans had a ton of the Greeks Gods just with different names? Zuse=Jupiter Aphrodite= Venus Hades=Pluto Eros=Cupid Hera=Juno Poseidian=Neptune Cronos=Saturn. I could keep listing but I think this is enough. There ARE some that have the same name such as Apollo. And there are some that the Romans had for themselves, like Bellona. Greece taught the Romans until the Romans were all, "Hey, we are really powerful! We figured out how to overcome the Greeks! Let's start conquering places to scare the crap out of some people" and everyone else was bored of their own lame lives and said, " Oh, Yea! That seems fun! Let me grab my battle gear first!" Then the Greeks lost the war and BOOM! Romans took over Greece. The other thing I might as well mention is pizza. As we all commonly believe that pizza was invented in Italy, the history goes WAY back. In fact, it goes all the way back to the Greeks, Egyptians, Armenians, Israelis, and Babylonians. The pizza was founded around the time of 600B.C in a GREEK city. Therefore, all you pizza lovin' ROMANS, you love a GREEK food,I hope this changes your mind! ;)

Side: Greece
1 point

GREECE RULES. HANDS DOWN ITS GREECE. GREECE GAVE US PIZZA.

Side: Greece
1 point

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Side: Greece
1 point

I am sure not many of you think so, but Greece is one of the most advanced civilizations in the world. They did di crazy things. They brought us many things too. Have you ever seen a dog wearing a spiked collar? Well, did you know that Greek shepherds created them? Did you know that they would keep the dog safe from bloodthirsty predators? Yea, they would pierce the mouth of the predator, or at least harm them enough to keep them away

Side: Greece
1 point

Did you all know that Greece doesn't get any robberies, or at least they get them like once every 2-3 years? Yea, in Greece it's actually humiliating to steal or rob OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE!!! I don't know why maybe because it makes you look poor or something like that. But still.

Side: Greece
3 points

Greeks, hands down. Greeks had everything down. Some of the greatest philosophers to walk the Earth were ancient Greeks. Aristotle, Socrates, and Plato. There are few areas of human knowledge that these three did not contribute to. The Athenians were a model society, with a high appreciation of art and literature, and education. And who could forget, one of the first democracies. Oh god, the things I would do to find Aristotle's lost manuscripts, how much more we would know if we had had them hundreds of years ago.

As for military superiority, one word. Motherfucking Spartans. The Spartans were arguably some of the best warriors who ever lived. They lived and died on the battlefield, bathed in the blood of their enemies. They trained from childhood for the sole purpose of becoming warriors. Who else would take on a few hundred thousand while numbering only three hundred? Who came back with their shield or on it? The Spartans. And most of the time they did it without even wearing clothes.

Side: Greece
AdminInferno(3) Disputed
2 points

Whats philosophy gonna do your gonna preach them to death? Also I understand philosophy but military is another factor the phalanx was inferior to the testudo and lets look who's richer the Latin based western Europeans or the Greek based eastern Europeans? Rome DOMINATED the Mediterranean it conquered from Britain to Syria which surpassed the small Greek exasperated colonies. Who conquered who just wanna clarify!

Side: Rome
matthewmorri(1) Disputed
2 points

The Romans would kick the Spartans ASS. And they sucked too they conquered a few islands and the Roman empire spread throughout all of Europe. Roman legions were notorious for their toughness and were ordered by Julius Cesar to eat the burned ashes of their kills. They also had some of the most clever and best strategies in war. They once built a bridge across a river in 2 days just so they could strut across without swimming. You can't even argue this topic they just don't compare.

Side: Rome
3 points

Greeks emerged in the 8th century BC. They were one of the most advanced civilisation with mathematicians, philosophers, poets, etc, much more advanced than any other. Their works are the works that almost all modern projects are based on. They discovered revolutionary things such as the water mill, the ancient greek alarm clock, founded the Olympics, and was one of the earliest peoples to practise such advanced medicines. They're architecture, art, sculptures etc, is one of the most iconic, recognisable pieces of art around the world. The roman civilisation came after the greeks, 'using' many of the greek ideas such as the gods (same just with different names), sculptures, architecture etc, and claiming them as their own. Romans tried to defeat the greeks, but they failed. Multiple times, until they didn't. But they did not defeat the greek spirit and beauty, a trait still alive today. The greek art is one that is highly sought after, one that has been stolen time after time. Stolen from the hands of the gods that crafted them, one by one, with such precise accuracy it is incredible. No-one shall ever 'outdo' the greeks because it is impossible. The Romans were remembered for war, fighting and violence. All of those that were always the first choice, however, the greeks will always be remembered for their knowledge, wisdom, beauty, and advancement, all gathering together to also make strategic war tactics and victories such as the Spartans. As Winston Churchill once said in WW2; "Hence we will not say that Greeks fight like heroes, but heroes fight like greeks."

Winston Churchill - heroes fight like greeks
Side: Greece

That's simple. The Greeks didn't have a long Dark Age under Christianity. Rome did.

So, Greeks, hands down. They'd always been great at advancing human quest for knowledge, except some.

Side: Greece
2 points

it was longer in rule and had epic wars and made the gods

Side: Greece
2 points

greece only lost because alexander died witch was bad for greece

Side: Greece
2 points

it's good to remember that that there were a lot of insane and cruel emperors like Nero and Caligula.

Side: Greece
2 points

sparta was awsome unlike the idiots called romans witch basikly cheated

Side: Greece
2 points

the greeks mastered a lot of things like philosophy and war.

Side: Greece
2 points

the romans also copied greek beliefs if you think about it that means rome was to weak to make there own gods.

Side: Greece
2 points

the romans also terrorized jerusalem starving the people to death witch is very cruel

Side: Greece
2 points

greeks overpowered the Persians which is a great accomplishment.

Side: Greece
2 points

the greeks had the first democracy in the world. rome was ruled by one important man called the emperor. while this was good if you had a good emperor it was bad with a bad(like Nero) emperor.

Side: Greece
2 points

What do you mean the romans are stronger the greeks had sparta GO GREEKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: Greece
2 points

Also the romans slole the gods from the greeks they just made different names for them GO GREEKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: Greece

The impact and influence of Greek philosophy is still felt today. I think everyone's already said this - and it is simplifying the two kingdoms quite a bit - but I would agree that Rome's influence was military based, whilst Greece's influence was based on culture and philosophy.

You could debate on which is more important, but I'd definitely lean more towards culture.

One thing's for sure though, they both enjoyed gay sex, so they're both good in my book.

Side: Greece
1 point

Hands down Greece. The Greeks were the ones that brought us pizza. Greeks were way more equal than the Romans too. If you were a slave in Rome, then you had to do every little thing your master wanted you to do, and you also had to SLEEP with them. You did not have any free time what so ever, that means no Thanksgiving with mommy, no Father-Son-Day with Daddy, no wishing Junior Happy Birthday, NOTHING. Now, if you were a slave in Greece, you not only helped out your master, but you did not have to sleep with them, you could celebrate Easter with the Easter Bunny! It's a win-win.

Side: Greece
1 point

While I still agree that the Romans had a better military, they still copies every thing the Greeks did. If you really think about this, that really only means that the Romans were just too lame to think of their own ideas and God's and agriculture. They had to look up to someone else to do it for them. That- if you want to get technical - just means that the Romans were originally not SMART enough to take care of their own pitiful and lame life's so they had to ask the Greeks to sweep them up and put them back on their feet. The Greeks are SO very kind and smart thatv they helped the Romans (probably without knowing It) and all they got back was a Hey! We wanna conquer your land so we will fight you dinner TAKES all.

Side: Greece
1 point

And you really have to think about things such as who had all the ideas? Greece. Who gave us Pizza? Not the Italians! Greece did!!! Greece is obviously the way to go.

Side: Greece
1 point

Greece is the overall best. Yes, Rome had better army but Greece had all the brains. I agree with Undertale1 that Rome and Greece would be a good combination. Honestly, people say Rome for the win. But what did they win. A participation award? To be honest, Romans are a bunch of copy cats that are too lame to think of their own ideas. Rome only copies Greece because they where no lifers that needed something to do, so they took credit f9r the Greek inventions. And the Greeks also bought us pizza. I did my research, so all you pizza lovin Romans... GET YOUR FACTS STARAIT.

Side: Greece

Romans crucify people.................................................................................

Side: Greece
0 points

And some people say, well Greece fell first. Well duh! Can you guess who had been there longer? Yea, Greece came BEFORE Rome

Side: Greece
0 points

GREECE RULES PEOPLE WHY CANT YOU SEE THIS? #seriously the choice is Greece. Greeks rule, Romans are FOOLS

Side: Greece

Love historical debates. The answer is most definitely Rome. No one has even come up to par with the Ancient Roman feats. Christianity found it's birth, there (not a good thing). Religion was a choice; for most of the time you had the choice in what to believe in. Government played no role in Rome's economics. Emperors used an immense amount of cunning and trickery to fool the public into being benevolent and passive (the games, small gifts of money, etc.). Rome's public sector was unmatched by any civilization of it's time. Public baths were present, along with the public games (often privately funded), and even a police force was present later in the city.

For such a great civilization, they unfortunately met their end by a bunch of fucking barbarians.

Although I must give credit to one feat of the Greeks: the democracies that thrived in the polis. That was a true democracy.

Side: Rome
Micmacmoc(2259) Disputed
2 points

The Greeks have most definitely come to a par with them and beyond. Some of the greatest mathematicians (including Pythagoras, Socrates, etc.) came from Greece, whereas most of Rome's feats were military or technologically.

"...You had a choice what to believe in"

Which is why Jesus was crucified, of course.

Rome had no democracy, and they ruled through fear, this isn't a sign of a good civilisation.

The Romans weren't the nicest of people. If they were, then why have gladiator battles to the death in front of thousands of people?

Side: Greece

You have fought my argument with blatant logic, and I cannot dispute you.

At many points in the city, however, choice of religion was present. As you've said, culture and acedemics-wise, Greece ranked supreme, being a host to many of today's most well known scholars.

And while Greece was better in most ways, let's not discount Rome. Rome fucking owned the Mediterranean with its superb military force. Also, with that force, it conquered all of the areas around it, including Hannibal's Carthage.

Side: Greece
AdminInferno(3) Disputed
2 points

First don't forget Greece in this the

Spartans murdered their children and were uncivilized in the eyes of the Persians. Roman republic is way better than Greek democracy first of a democracy is like everyone in the country makes laws. While a republic is an elected leader, sure the republic failed but without it how would you even govern a country the size of Russia with everyone needed to vote. Nicest people who knew the Greeks were the racists do you know the word barbarian the Greeks invented it because whenever anyone else talked they thought all they said was Bar!Bar! Bar!. they didn't even respect any culture except the Hellenistic culture.

Side: Rome
3 points

Rome is one of the civilizations that stood for a millennium only few other civilization can claim this title by not being conquered! Spartans have best military eh? Well who conquered who the average Spartan had the brain of a Roman slave and sucked a strategy all they did was run at someone, barbaric if you ask me

Side: Rome
linnea123(5) Clarified
1 point

Well sorry, nobody asked you. and even if they did, they would see that your facts are wrong. After MANY failed attempts and years of fails, they finaly defeated them. What an acheivment. ANd yea, the Greeks were barbaric, says the ones who threw people in arenas and watched them fight to the death.

Side: Greece
3 points

Th Greeks were huge racists who focused on philosophy instead of rights and defence thats why they were conquered so easily.

Side: Rome
5 points

They were huge racists? The Romans expanded too far and allowed any immigrant in. They were destroyed because of their immigration policies. A good lesson for today wouldn't you say?

Side: Greece
NicolasCage(505) Disputed
2 points

History isn't your strong point, is it bront? Rome was not "destroyed because of their immigration policies", that's one of the most ludicrous things I've ever heard you say.

They were destroyed by foreign barbarians, but the Romans didn't let them in. They weren't immigrants, they were invaders. The Romans never accommodated them or gave them a place to stay, they were attacked right off the bat.

Side: Rome
linnea123(5) Clarified
4 points

They didnt focus on defence? Well what is one of the most remembered, iconic, and brought up military tactics in the whole world? Oh yea, the trojan horse. A GREEK invention. The earliest greek civilisation noted by history started in the 8th century bc, possibly before that, and the romans 'conquered' the greeks in 146 BC. So thats about 754 years before the Romans took them. Easy? Even then, most Greek Kingdoms lasted much longer than this.

Side: Greece

Rome had a better history and their roads were good. Rome had nice buildings, too.

Side: Rome
linnea123(5) Clarified
3 points

Better history? Thats funny. And their roads are basically one of the only useful things the Romans brought us. And Greece had/has 100 times better buildings than rome. Such as the Temple of Artemis, the Temple of Hera, the parthenon, The Temple of Apollo Epicurius, The Temple of Asclepius, The Temple of Segesta. Look them up

Side: Greece
nutella(2) Disputed
1 point

but didn't most of the history of Rome was provided by the Greeks, the Romans basically just 'perfected' it and added a little more things, just like what modern companies do, take an invention or whatsoever bs, add something and reproduce it as their 'invention' and 'creation'

Side: Greece
2 points

Greeks did philosophy, Rome did. aristocracy.

Side: Rome
2 points

Rome was better hands down. Rome was the best at conquering and had the best technologies (aqua ducts, building structure, etc.) But also, the Romans spoke Latin, which is very influential today. It was the first of the Romance languages (Spanish, french, Portuguese, Italian) and has strong roots in English too. Rome also had ground breaking philosophers like Cicero, Marcus Aurelius, and Lucretius. Rome also brought Christianity to the forefront after killing Jesus lol. But before that, they had a polytheistic religion that surpasses the Greeks. The Gods names are also the names of the planets in the solar system. And while Greece hung out in the same region for all of their existence, Rome created the greatest or second (maybe the British) greatest empire ever. Rome also gave Europe a huge advantage going forward after it fell too. Also, it gave birth to the Byzantine empire too. Greece really doesn't compare. Sorry.

Side: Rome
undertale1(7) Disputed
1 point

While the Romans did speak Latin, mmh... Let's think about this. Didn't Latin ORIGINATE FROM LATIUM? (I did my research, the country is called Latium). So we should be thanking the country of Latium for Latin, not the Romans. Romans did use aqueducts(you spelled that wrong BTW) but honestly, Who really uses them today? Most of their building structures were GREEKS design. And why is Jesus dying funny? I mean, like really? Greece compares a whole ton! Pretty much 98% of Rome empire was made from the GREEKS. Like I have been saying, without the Greeks, Romans couldn't have done as well. If you want to get technical, then whoever keeps saying the Romans were all-powerful, should be thanking the GREEKS. I bet the Romans named their gods out of our solar system because they were so lame and out of ideas... sorry the GREEKS ideas... That they couldn't think of anything better to do like IDK, Zuse as a cooler name rather than JUPITER?

Side: Greece
1 point

MILITARY hands down was the greatest to dominate the Mediterranean and the Mare Nostrum if you know what I mean.

Side: Rome
1 point

Julius Cesar and Marc Antony also fucked Cleopatra so come at me lol

Side: Rome
undertale1(7) Disputed
2 points

I think I will. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING! What? You wanna go screw her too? Proves how disgusting you are. Who would wanna go out with you now? Mmh, I hope your moms really disappointed in you for wanting to screw a what? 103-year-old lady...? Man, you really are disgusting. I wouldn't be surprised if I found in the history books," Weird guy wants to screw a 2086-year-old lady, aka Cleopatra(I checked and she is 2086) because Julius Ceaser and Mark Antony did so. Sad man... you lead a pitiful life.

Side: Greece

Without Rome, politics is chaotic. Their form of politics is the basis of that on the globe. There will be no religion. That's simple.

Side: Rome
0 points

Rome has more of an empire and they were able to maintain for decades with such a big empire

Side: Rome
0 points

also rome was able to make the places they invaded religion and make i part of there so the other places were happy as well

Side: Rome