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Guantanamo bay: Should we have it? or Should we close it?
For those of you who do not know, Guantanamo bay is located in cuba and it is a U.S. prison for being suspected or convicted for terrorism. The inmates are brutally tortured and it is legal because they are not citizens of the United States and they are not on American soil. Some topics what i would recommend you include in your argument: America's reputation, prisoners rights, effectiveness, and possible solutions if you want it close it.
Brutally tortured, that's kinda redundant, but that aside; there is nothing we've done to them that would compare to what they would do to us.
Furthermore, from what I've seen, they are treated very well with 3 squares a day, halaly speaking; religious rituals allowed; medical care and all the other amenities many would envy. They are enemy combatants so, therefore, they are not entitled to constitutional rights like Americans are, at least that's my understanding.
I have no problem whatsoever with them being there ,and Gitmo being open, that is a good thing.
there is nothing we've done to them that would compare to what they would do to us. isn't that redundant logic? This feeds the circle of violence; what "they" will do to you could be a direct result of what you do to them.
They are enemy combatants so, therefore, they are not entitled to constitutional rights like Americans are, Did America ever declare war on Iraq? No? So then these people are NOT enemy combatants. From the international law perspective, they are being illegally detained. If you suspect them of complacency in terrorist acts, they deserve a fair trial. They cannot be detained indefinitely just because you want it so. This is a clear breach of international law.
Its not only inhumane, its also illegal. people in American territories are entitled to constitutional rights, just like in DC or Puerto Rico. Prisoners in Guantanamo Bay have had their rights suspended without due process of law.
Prisoners do not have limited constitutional rights, and prisoners of war have less rights.
The best thing to do with those murderers is to put them all out of their misery, a swift little nuke will do the trick so they don't have to see it coming and they don't have to suffer...even though they gloat over making us suffer, we can put them out of their misery suddenly so they don't feel the pain.
It does not bother me one bit if a rapist or murder is put to death. I see no reason to put them in jail for the rest of their lives and take care of them.
A dear friend of mine had a son who murdered his mother. He was against the death penalty as it was bad enough that he lost his wife, the boys mother...he did not want to lose them both but he had no choice in the matter, the boy had made the choice. There is nothing wrong with putting a murderer or rapist to death after a fair trial according to the law....if the law of the state allows for death penalty.
If you feel differently, that's no difference to me.
why? do you think Christians are supposed to look the other way if somebody rapes or kills you, or do you think they are supposed to house, protect, and feed the criminals for the rest of their lives?
I have known Christians I highly respect who are entirely against the death penalty in ever the worst cases. I think they are wrong but I do not argue with them about it. For example, Charles Manson....criminally insane mass murderer.....should have got the death penalty but the state had no death penalty so taxpayers take care of him in prison and he actually could be paroled and set free after murdering several innocent people deliberately in cold blood. When a person acts in a way to deny the value of your life, they have declared themselves to have no value and they deserve what they did to you. I don't like it, but that's the way it is. I prefer Heaven where there will be no crime and no idiots saying "I don't see any evidence of God".
If I come across a man in the act of committing rape or in the process of committing murder or inflicting great bodily harm beyond self-defense, it is entirely righteous to step in and stop them by any means necessary including killing the attacker on the spot if necessary to stop them from doing what they are doing.
The Fifth Commandment has nothing to do with this discussion. I think you are referring to #6, unless you were taught the Catholic version of the Ten Commandmens which tries to hide God's hatred of the idols used in Catholicism. So tell me, were you raised Cathoilc?
Either way, the commandment is against murder, the commmandment is not against executing justice on the murdered. To kill and to execute justice are two different things.
Islam is nothing but organized crime against Christians and Jews, Hell bent on killing all of them who will not bow down to Islamic rule. Any nation governed by Islamic law supports killing all Christians and Jews who will not bow to them, and they have a lot of blood on their hands for supporting and/or harboring groups which are active in killing Christians and Jews for no reason other than that they are Christians and Jews....not to mention the many who have killed Americans only because they are Americans. Islam has always been and will always be a religion of war against all who will not bow, it's from Hell, it's Hell bent on dominating the world. I see nothing wrong with turning Iran into a see of glass under nuclear fire.......I suppose they could have something like a 7 day notice in which the people who would be zapped because of their evil rulers would have the opportunity to rise up and overthrow their evil Islamic rulers. If they do not rise up within those seven days, nuke them. That would solve a lot of problems today....just nuke every nation which is under Islamic law.
The USA, Russia, and China could probably get a long fine without them, and God is always going to preserve Israel though He allows times of chastisement on them.
Would that be justice? Can you tell me where the law provides for rapists to be raped? What country or place within any country has such a law? Is that somewhere in the vast frontier of unfairness you create in the theater of self-justification?
You have already decided you will not accept answers. You are the one trying to frame rhetorical questions pretending they are unanswerable. You are the one presenting your opinion and feelings as factual insisting they cannot be questioned.
Is this what you learned in Sunday school? You learned how to make double-talk and deny you are doing it? Of did you just acquire that talent naturally?
Oh come on, you're such a baby. You claim stuff and when you won't ask the questions I have for you you make me seem like the problem. I've never been anything but respectful to you, so just cut the crap.
This is not respectful, and you carry this attitude throughout your conversations with me because at heart you have a bad attitude toward God and are on the losing end of trying to argue against Him.
You have a bitter spirit, probably because you found out that God is not Santa Clause and will not grant your wishes the way you want them.
Well you didn't pay much attention in Sunday School, did you? The fifth commandment is to honor your father and mother. The sixth is "Thou shalt not kill". God also commanded that killers are to be executed judiciously. Capital punishment is punishment, it's justice. Murder is murder, it is unjust, a violation of the law.
What you really want is to be exempt from punishment yourself in death; as if your life is Burger King and you can have it your own way to be free of Hell forever. You're not living in reality, your trying to get out of reality and not be held accountable for your time.
You made little if any effort to learn what they were teaching in Sunday school or you would have known the difference between the fifth and sixth commandment. You did not apply yourself to learning in Sunday school. Apparently you had a bad attitude toward what was being taught.
Ok, I don't really think we should just kill all the prisoners at Gitmo but they sure should be in prison for life as they are murderers and their Islamic terror groups will never stop trying to kill us. They are prisoners of war, their rights are under the Geneva Convention I believe. They do not have constitutional US rights......none, and they are treated like princes compared to being in prisons where Muslims make the laws.
They were taken captive while they were engaged in trying to kill us. It would not bother me if they had been killed instead of captured. It's war. The Muslims want war, they believe a world wide bloodbath is needed to usher in their messiah and they are pushing for that war. The commies at least want to live and survive when they go to war, the Muslims don't care of they live or not. Islam is pretty much the greatest evil on the planet.
I am not anti-death penalty and I don't like the label "pro-death penalty". It's a case by case trial basis. The prisoners in Gitmo got there by their evil actions and they are being treated much better than they deserve to be treated. When Islamic terrorist groups and nations like Iran lay down and give up their weapons which they have vowed to use against Israel and the USA, all of them, Muslim Brotherhood......when the Muslims all lay down their weapons and walk away from them and don't pick up more, then the Gitmo detainees can be released IF they sign document promising not to take up arms against Israel or the west again....and if they are caught again, kill them on the spot.
Yet abortion is always murder no matter how you feel about it. Life begins at conception and if you end the life of a conceived child by any means you murder that child. Your feelings in the matter are selfish, subjective to your own thoughts and experience, your own personal choice. Murder is always murder, and the person who commits the act has declared his own life worthy of death as the murderer and the victim are of equal value in the eyes of God.
I am not pro-death penalty for every case of murder, yet murder is still murder worthy of the death penalty. When you say you don't like the label "pro-abortion", you are not being objective. If you prefer the lable "pro-choice", you still are not being objective as you are giving no choice to the child. This is what your argument against God boils down do, implying God is not good and being good is something subjective to your own choice. You are hoping to be held to no objective standard when you are judged, hoping your goodness outweighs your wrongs so that you cannot be left to fry like an eternal sausage in Hell. You have no basis for such a false hope.
No I was not raped by a fetus. I simply read your bible, I actually read the whole thing. My great grandfather was the first to translate it to my native language.
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:8
"So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, " Acts 10:34
"For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. " Romans 10:12
"“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. " John 3:16
Whoever falsely accused should be put to death if their testimony results in the execution of an innocent person. If they are found out to be false witnesses before their lies resulted in an innocent person being put to death, then the false witnesses is worthy of death the moment they are found out to be false witnesses trying to have an innocent person killed.
Why not? Why not sentence a murderer to death, and why not hold false witnesses who do not care if an innocent person is put to death to be guilty of murder themselves and held under the death penalty which they tried to have passed unjustly on an innocent person?
What I meant to say was; If we say that it is law that whoever sentences an innocent person to death shall receive the same punishment, do you think that any judge will ever give out the sentence, in the risk of finding out the prosecution to be false?
So you think it's ok to allow a murderer to live, and it's ok to murder an unborn child. Well I'm glad you made that clear. Did you have a child of yours aborted? Would you?
So he's a dead beat dad, not providing for his daughter, not being a father to his daughter? How many other women has he impregnated? How many of his children have been aborted?
You said the description of him aborting you or you aborting him was a fitting description. Now you are saying something different. Now you are saying he is being responsible when you first said that it was fair to say you aborted him or he aborted you. I was taught in Sunday school to be honest, as God desires truth from the deepest corners of our souls where we might feel more comfortable hiding our pains and not facing the wrongs we have done.
So you feel disappointed in life. Was it painful for you when you realized Santa does not care for you? Was it so painful that you blame God for not being Santa Clause? Is that it? You're mad at God because He does not fill your Christmas wish list even though you feel you are being a good girl?
Uh huh, sure. You have no idea what it is to do wrong. Okay, fine. And I thought you were intelligent. I guess I'll have to look for intelligent life somewhere else.
People are incarcerated in Guantánamo concentration camp who have never been charged with a crime or found guilty in a court of law. It is un-American.
Information extracted under torture is unlikely to be accurate: people will tell you whatever you want to hear in order to stop the torture. Also, often the carrot is more effective in interrogation than the stick (Source 1). Further, when in a war situation, if we torture enemy combatants then our enemies will do the same to our captured soldiers.
To conclude, torture causes horrendous suffering and it's results appear better achieved though other means. In addition, some of these people may not even be guilty as they were never given a trial.
Information extracted under torture is unlikely to be accurate: people will tell you whatever you want to hear in order to stop the torture.
This is true and it is why confessions alone do not constitute evidence. The Birmingham Six, The Maguire Seven and the Guildford Four were all convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment on the strength of confessions and all of them were innocent. And they were genuine confessions. Don't even get me started on the fake "confession" of bin Laden being the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks.
