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Debate Score:9
Arguments:11
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Guns: Myth Versus Fact

Myth: Owning a gun makes you safer

Fact: Owning a gun puts you at heightened risk for gun violence


Myth: The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun

Fact: Armed citizens rarely successfully intervene to stop an active shooter


Myth: Mass shooters specifically target gun-free zones

Fact: A small percentage of mass shootings occur in locations where guns are prohibited


Myth: Gun laws do not work because criminals do not follow the law

Fact: Gun laws are effective at reducing gun violence


https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/guns-crime/reports/2017/10/05/440373/myth-vs-fact-debunking-gun-lobbys-favorite-talking-points/

Fact

Side Score: 2
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Myth

Side Score: 7
1 point

Fact: Owning a gun puts you at heightened risk for gun violence

By this logic, if I support police, I should want to disarm them so they don’t get shot.

Fact: Armed citizens rarely successfully intervene to stop an active shooter

Cops are good guys with guns who most often stop active shooters, if not directly than indirectly.

Fact: A small percentage of mass shootings occur in locations where guns are prohibited

A small percentage of locations are gun free zones, though many are gun free.

Fact: Gun laws are effective at reducing gun violence

Tell it to urban centers where local gun laws are more strict than rural settings where gun violence is much lower and legal ownership much higher.

The fact is that culture has much more to do with gun violence than gun laws. Less violent criminals in a culture equals less gun violence, regardless of guns. That’s why as the US has gotten more effective policing, we have seen a general reduction in violent crime rates coincide with a rise in gun ownership. Also, not all gun laws are created equal so more does not equal better.

I’ve proven these points several times over with statistics from the CDC and other unbiased statistical sources (ie unrelated to the gun debate). All you have is thinkprogress.org, who thinks that I am literally more susceptible to the causes of suicide if I own a gun.

Side: Fact
Harvard(660) Clarified
1 point

Is it fair to narrow in on law enforcement officers? I think his position, although not explicitly stated, is regarding civilians.

Side: Fact
Amarel(5150) Clarified
1 point

His position is that it is false to say that good guys with guns stop bad guys with guns. Police are good guys with guns, and from what I understand, most of them carry off duty. They carry off duty in the off chance that they may need it for the same reasons other people carry. Because they are good guys with with guns.

Side: Fact
1 point

Myth: Owning a gun makes you safer

This is neither true nor is it a gun lobbyist talking point, which makes it a straw man. Guns are dangerous, as gun advocates are quick to point out. Owning a gun cannot, in and of itself, make you safer. In competent hands it may.

Myth: The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun

On occasion, Shooters kill their selves. Though that’s usually because good guys with guns are closing in. Yes, cops are good guys with guns. Yes, they stop shooters.

Myth: Mass shooters specifically target gun-free zones

Multiple mass shooters have been known to do this. Typically this would be when they target strangers in the hopes of effecting the highest kill count possible, as in many high profile shootings. However, it cannot be said to be mass shooters most common mode due to the definition of mass shooting which can include gang violence and other crimes which result in high gun casualties.

Fact: Gun laws are effective at reducing gun violence

That’s true in areas where people have a law abiding culture. This is because culture has a greater impact on violent crime, including gun crime. Not all laws are created equal. Most of what we is pretended to be proposed by politicians are things that either already exist or things that would not have stopped the crime for which they went on TV.

Side: Myth
1 point

Taking your profile name (Hiroshima) with your other accounts profile pic (Iwo Jima), one might get the impression you are enamored of American successes in the WWII Pacific theatre. Doesn’t really seem like you though.

Side: Myth
1 point

LMMFAO American Progress gave you those false facts and we wonder why you Leftist are totally confused each and everyday !

Side: Myth
1 point

Myth: Gun laws do not work because criminals do not follow the law

Fact: Gun laws are effective at reducing gun violence

Have the typist from the DNC steno pool been to Chicago there NOM ?

Side: Myth
The_Kurgen(62) Disputed
1 point

Have the typist from the DNC steno pool been to Chicago there NOM ?

Gun laws don't work in Chicago because Chicago is sitting in the middle of a country where anybody can buy guns anywhere, at any time. See if you can work that out, you Islamophobic genocide apologist.

Side: Fact
outlaw60(15500) Disputed
1 point

You mean to tell me NOM Leftist gun laws do not work in Chicago ??????

Side: Myth
Amarel(5150) Disputed
1 point

Why do other areas in the same country have significantly less crime as well as less restrictive gun laws?

Side: Myth
Amarel(5150) Disputed
1 point

Gun laws don't work in Chicago

Now you’re getting it. They also don’t really work in LA or Detroit.

Why do the relatively fewer gun laws in my area coincide with relatively less crime?

Side: Myth