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The video posted by saintnow contains no hard science that comes to the conclusion there is a god. Anyone who frequents this site is well aware that saintnow doesn't understand what constitutes good science.
So Mr. Science, Since you seem to have made a baseless accusation, you can now proceed to explain which parts of the video are not scientific, and show where the scientific studies and data cited in the video are not observable, science open to peer review and repeatable for observation by peers in experiment. If you cannot substantiate your insinuation, the only thing you have proved is that you are a jerk, and in my book you will be branded as a brainless disrupter not worthy of being unbanned for my discussions.
The argument they put forth isn't hard science but philosphy. The author says that if we can find that the four attributions for a god can be found that proves god exists.
The author then goes on to butcher definitions for things like Heisenburg's uncertainty principle by adding their own opinions rather than being true to the actual claim.
This is just 40ish seconds in to the video. The video does not represent science faithfully even from the get go. The video is just a persons opinion using bad represntations of science.
If one cannot represent theose they oppose faithfully they are not only doing a disservice to those they misrepresnt but to themselves as well. For they have not given ideas a fair chance in their own minds but instead shut them out or pervert them so they may hold their own ideas unassailed by the reality of the arguments they misrepresent.
If one wants to learn about christianity they should see a christian source, if one wants to learn about science they should use a source from the sciences. What saintnow has done here is learn about science from a christian source instead.
Fail.
saintnow, I know you will never change your mind. When shown where you error on things like evolution you just froth at the mouth and shout down/ban those who correct you. You have shown yourself to be not objective in these dealings to the nth degree. You are full of ad hominem attacks instead of logical arguments.
You can ban me if you want, it is a hollow move though since I really don't expect to be heard by you. I think I will start participating in debates like this one. You still froth at the mouth instead of argue a point or even against a point here. But in these debates opposing views to yours can get a fair shake instead of the totalitarian debates you promote.
Your god is a crutch..and it appears you need a crutch. I am not trying to make you let go of your crutch but to allow others to see the actual claims that oppose you instead of your strawmanned versions that fail under scrutiny.
Last word is yours, prolly accusations on how I hate a god I don't believe exists or something. Also you will focus on my lack of capitalization of the words 'god' or christianity rather than focus on my argument. This is appealing to fallacies of irrelevance, but thats how people like saintnow keeps their views. Maybe he will just goto other threads and spam them like a crazy person like he does in the link above.
LISTEN UP YOU BIG MOUTH WIMP, SINCE YOU APPEAR TO BE HARD OF HEARING I'LL CAP FOR YOU SO MAYBE YOU WILL GET THE POINT.
YOUR DIATRIBE OF PERSONAL INSULTS AGAINST ME COMPLETELY FAILED MY CHALLENGE FOR YOU TO PRESENT ONE POINT IN THE VIDEO OF THIS OP, AND SHOW HOW THAT POINT IS NOT SCIENTIFIC BUT IS ERRONEOUS OR FALSE. BECAUSE YOU WHIMPED OUT ON THIS CHALLENGE AND PROVIDE NOTHING BUT INSULTS, YOU ARE BANNED HERE AND PLACED ON AUTO-BAN FOR ALL OF MY DEBATES. stupid punk.
You are a coward. I asked you to substantiate your insults with facts by quoting from the video in the OP and showing by scientific data how the statements of fact in the video are not scientific. It is you who is trying to change the data to ignore the facts, by saying it's philosophical and not scientific. The video is step by step, point by point, scientific observation of reality, and you completely failed to refute any point of it. You make accusations unsubstantiated, and use as the strength of your argument the mindless tactic of insulting me personally to say I do not understand science. I understand that you are a pompous punk who thinks he can bully people with insults, and when punks come at me with that kind of garbage, I put it right back in their face realistically based on the facts. The fact is that you cannot put up an argument of science and focus on the data without resorting to insults which in reality are fighting words designed to distract form the fact that you are not equipped to have an intelligent discussion of the scientific data presented in the video. Just an atheistic PUNK pretending to be wise and in reality being a fool. You knew your attitude and tactics is ban worthy, you asked for it, you got it. You're doing the same thing with God, knowing your conversation against His makes you worthy of being executed by Him, you are asking for it, and you are going to get it if you keep asking for it and the same as you are left outside of the discussion here, God will leave you where you are asking to be, outside away from discussion with Him in the fire of Hell where you will have the proof you think is real now, that God is not being good to you when you realize he is fully against you as you have been fully against Him...idiot. I'm sure you will say this proves all of your mindless points.
A device where the only INPUT is a randomly decaying radioactive particle that activates one character at a time from a random generating character program, is self aware, thinks for itself, knows what you are thinking and responds to you before you can speak about future events with 100% accuracy and you do not see the implications? This means you are either stupid or are too caught up on preconceived notions.
What is your problem with the science which illustrates these facts? Is it not atheistic scientists who present these discoveries which can be show in repeatable tests as factual?
You show your approach to science is biased against God by refusing to spell His name as proper noun, the name of a person who is God who loves you. When scientific data supports the reality of God, you must disregard the implications and reinterpret the data to fit your beliefs. True science supports the Creator of all things as the eternal God, as energy can neither be created or destroyed....therefore the energy which causes matter to consist was there before matter and is eternal. That is the first scientifically established attribute of God showing He is there. You cannot show any error in this by science, you can only believe the force which governs the laws of nature/physics is impersonal and unconscious and therefore neutral as opposed to God being good, positively and not neutrally good. These common sense logical statements are statements of reality; your bias against God dictates that you must deny God is good and therefore cannot be God in order for you to change god into a thing which you can create in your imagination who is not God the creator of all things who cannot be formed or limited by your imagination.
Most of your statements are nothing but attempts to insult my intelligence, the typical bullying tactic you are brainwashed to employ when believing you are exonerated in death and morally not accountable go God. You are trying to relieve yourself of guilt for your immoralities so your heart and attitude are automatically murderous against God and against people who insist you cannot get out of reality and cannot escape responsibility for your willful immoralities.
Banning you is appropriate since you are disruptive with insulting and bullying tactics which distract from discussing the points of science presenting in the video. The only commentary you offered constructive to the discussion here was "The author then goes on to butcher definitions for things like Heisenburg's uncertainty principle" while offering nothing contradictory to any of the points made by the author, nothing but stating you do not like his conclusions and the only reason you give for your feelings of the matter are completely emotionally based out of your own disdain for God.
Your whole long post here is nothing but 99 percent insult and completely void of constructive comment to discuss the points of science in the video and you think it's hollow of me to ban you? I think you are nothing but a big hollow bag of hot air, and you are that way because you love your sin more than life and refuse to concede that God has the right to leave you dead in your sin forever in Hell.
HEY PUNK!!!! PUT UP OR SHUT UP!!!! EXPLAIN THE POINTS IN THE VIDEO WHICH ARE NOT SCIENTIFIC AND PROVEN IN REPEATABLE EXPERIMENTATION.
IF YOU CLAIM TO KNOW SOMETHIGN ABOUT SCIENCE WHICH I DO NOT KNOW, SHOW THE POINTS IN THE VIDEO WHICH ARE NOT VALIDATED BY SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH OPEN TO PEER REVIEW AND REPEATABLE IN EXPERIMENT.
You start off with nothing but a blanket insult against me personally, this first post of yours is fighting words, if you stood in front of me long enough talking this way I would talk back, push your buttons until you became enraged enough to attack me and they I would be excused for knocking your teeth out.
So now when you find some little science tidbit you embrace the sciences. Butf when virtually all professional Biologists, geologists, and anthropologists, microbiologists, geneticist say Evolution is true, you squawk that the Bible says man's knowledge will be shown to be folly. And that all those scientists are wrong.
Hypocrite much?
Cherry pick much?
Confirmation bias much?
For the record I have always known God drives science, just as I say he drives evolution. Theistic Evolution. Rather than random genetic mutations. And why I know the young earhters are crazy. And science is only the means by which we can Analuze Gods handiwork.
But I don't flip flop on it like you do. Just as I know that Satan and God are actually physical science based forces, two polar opposites, like positive and negative electricity.
Your an idiot. Believe in evolution requires that you ignore science and put your beliefs first. You are on my auto-ban list for doing nothing but disrupting and harassing me.
why don't you make your own debate or discussion using that stupid link as your OP? What is it with you that all you can do is act like crazy monkey trying to ride other peoples back so you can show your tail in public?
He's too busy spitting hatred at me.......it might take him a few days to calm down. I really don't want to read any of his stuff, I tried more than enough to tell him God loves him and he can be saved from Hell.......he just gets angrier and angrier, put the final nail in my coffin he said, said he was done with me, but I guess he feels he needs to pound my coffin to a pulp with the hammer.
You put the nail in your own coffin by comparing your suffering here to that of thr Messiah. Its absolutely staggering that you think you are a Christian.
He's too busy spitting hatred at me.......it might take him a few days to calm down. I really don't want to read any of his stuff, I tried more than enough to tell him God loves him and he can be saved from Hell.......he just gets angrier and angrier, put the final nail in my coffin he said, said he was done with me, but I guess he feels he needs to pound my coffin to a pulp with the hammer.
You just want to be on my auto-ban list, don't you? Why don't you do me the favor and just ban yourself from commenting before you come acting stupid so I have to ban you? If you can't discuss my topics respectfully, you can't expect me to appreciate your comments.
looks like he conceded that he has no argument against your logic there. Atheists and evolutionists hate simplification of logic....it makes their heads explode....check out these videos......
In my short time here I have found Artgrag to be faux intellectual, a poser who is wrong about many things. He even thought I was some old atheist hater guy who created this account as a, I don't know, sock puppet.
So I wouldn't worry too much about trying to please him as he is obviously subject to bias and delusion. As we all are, I guess. Just some more than others maybe?
If you want to comment in my debates, focus on the OP and discussing it's points before you state your stupid contrary opinion or your stupid opinion and comments about things not related to the OP. If you want to prioritize your opinion, create your own debates, it's simple to do. Whenever I make a debate, the desire is to discuss the OP. All you do is disrupt, try to bury the OP and replace it with your own stupid comments. I don't create debates to hear your stupid opinion when you act like you are not listening to mine in the OP. The singers you insulted are servants of God with a message, you did not listen, so you had no business commenting you punky little demon driven psycho
