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Debate Score:87
Arguments:62
Total Votes:87
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Has God always existed?

If time didn't exist prior to the universe, then is it logical to say that God always existed?

Yes

Side Score: 32
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No

Side Score: 55
4 points

I think that is a safe assumption. We perceive many things based on time, including our existence. But that is all we know. If we could not feel heat or cold, then they would be beyond our comprehension. If we all saw the world in black in white, then that would be our reality. We would only be able to comprehend a colorless world.

So, when people argue that it is impossible for God to have always existed, they are basing their argument off of their reality. We only can comprehend what we observe.

The funny thing is that all of our "facts" come from our observations, and us as humans, have only observed intelligent organisms coming from other intelligent organisms, yet many of us assume that the universe, and the intelligent beings within it, were all created by something that was unintelligent. We are assuming outside of our observations.

Side: Yes
kaveri(319) Disputed
1 point

intelligent from intelligent leads only to infinite line of more and more intelligent being.

Side: No
GuitarGuy(6096) Disputed
2 points

That's because you've only observed continuous creation, so you think there can't be a starting point or a God that has always existed.

There can be planets and universes with physical laws beyond our comprehension. If we could only see the world in black and white, then color would be beyond our comprehension. If we couldn't feel temperature changes, then hot and cold would be beyond our comprehension. We've witnessed birth and we've witnessed death. We only know a start and a finish, therefore eternal life is beyond our comprehension.

Side: Yes
4 points

That is determined by the attributes of God. We as humans exist within time and are subject to view it as a linear progression. However, God is a spiritual being and is not subject to time. Several verses suggest this. Isaiah 57:15 suggests he is not limited to our physical world. Psalm 90:4 suggests that God is not bound by time.

Side: Yes
kaveri(319) Disputed
2 points

Do you know that bible is a poetry book not an encyclopaedia, right ?

Side: No
trumpet_guy(502) Clarified
1 point

Do you know that bible is a poetry book not an encyclopaedia, right ?

Parts are, parts aren't. Many parts of the Bible are like an encyclopedia such as the books of history and books of the law. Many of books are also, as you said, poetry. However like ALL serious poetry, it has a purpose and meaning behind it. Many parts are poetry, but they describe very real things like God, or for your sake, it assumes that God is a very real being and describes Him poetically. However just because it is poetry does not mean it's written off as not worthy to be mentioned in a matter dealing in theology, like this one.

Side: Yes
2 points

Yes, God has always existed.

Side: Yes
kaveri(319) Disputed
1 point

some specific type of god? or just generic brand? :D

Side: No
Srom(12202) Disputed
1 point

The one and only true God, Jesus Christ.

Side: Yes
1 point

My ultimate answer is yes. However there are questions that would need to be resolved before this question can even be brought up. First, would be to resolve the nature of Gods existence in the first place.

First of all we have a very limited understanding of existence, other than what we can determine with our five senses, and our ability to interpret those senses with calculation, logic and reason; we can determine a lot. However we are still limited to the nature of our existence.

The first assumption we are making is that God is bound and limited by his own creation, if we broke this down, this would also have to include space and time as we know it. What i'm speculating is there are levels of existence beyond our comprehension just as there are senses beyond ours. To support this possibility, all you need do is to ask one who born blind to describe the nature and essence of color, or sound from those never having heard a tune. We only argue that which we can comprehend. So I would only challenge one to comprehend one who is not limited by his/or her own creation. I would say that this would go hand in hand with what the Bible already says about Gods limitations (that a thousand years is like a day 2 Peter 3:8). We can manipulate, study and calculate the forces, rules and limitations all around us, which would only make sense since we were all born into these limiting forces. When we apply these limits to God, could He then still be considered God?

Side: Yes
5 points

Does God even exist?

Side: No

I would say that everything requires some sort of creator unless it's outside spacetime. Otherwise it wouldn't exist.

Side: No
kaveri(319) Disputed
1 point

I would say that everything requires some sort of creator unless it's outside space-time. Otherwise it wouldn't exist. no it does not, You are judging entire universes origin based on observation of your neighbourhood. Things are not so straight forward as you want them to be so... Try to sometime read up on physics textbook instead of bible, you'll see that thing are not so simple.

Side: Yes
4 points

Gods have only existed since humans invented them. So, before humans there were no Gods.

Side: No

How do you know for sure that a god of any sort doesn't exist? Doesn't everything within spacetime require a creator?

Side: No
Cartman(18192) Disputed
2 points

Doesn't everything within spacetime require a creator?

I have no idea what happened to start the universe, and your idea of a creator and mine can be very different.

Edit: oops, didn't mean to dispute.

Side: No
kaveri(319) Disputed
1 point

Doesn't everything within spacetime require a creator? Ever heard about Casimir's effect?

Side: Yes

If you take an early-history class the oldest religions were based on multiple gods, each of whom had something to do with nature or other stuff like that (Artemis from Greek mythology for example). Eventually pagan religions started to become unpopular with the rise of Abrahamic religions (Christianity) which started around the Fall of Rome.

Assuming that this debate is about the Christian god, then no obviously not.

Side: No
2 points

God is a logical fallacy originating in ignorance of people in stone age .

Side: No
2 points

No gods have ever even been proven, no matter how much people want to believe otherwise.

Side: No
2 points

There is zero evidence that God has ever existed at any time.

Side: No

One has to use logic as reason to believe in a deity of any sort. I would say that the arguments for God as quite nice.

Side: No
Jace(4796) Disputed
1 point

To the contrary, one must ignore and actively deny logic and reason to believe in a deity. There is absolutely nothing rational about theism or faith. I have seen no argument supporting the existence of God that held any water at all.

Side: Yes

The idea of God is a human invention. God has never existed outside of people's minds.

Side: No
GuitarGuy(6096) Clarified
1 point

You never responded to our God debate. I typed up a pretty long argument for you. What the hell, man!?

Side: Yes
1 point

Sorry Bitch. Will do.

Side: Yes

The first Humans as in Sahelanthropus Tchadenis who lived 6-7 million years ago, didn't worship god. Millions of years later, humanoids mutate into Homo Sapiens. When Homo Sapiens establish Civilization, THEN we started worshiping God. The First Humans didn't worship God, later Humans did.

Side: No
AveSatanas(4425) Clarified
1 point

I mean if you're talking about THE god of the bible then no shit. However beliefs in gods and other supernatural things date back to neanderthals. A group of them began a religion known as the cult of the cave bear. It appears from their paintings that they worshipped a supernatural giant god bear probably out of awe of its strength and size. So no, god isn't a construct of modern humans. Earlier hominids seem to have loosely grasped the concept.

Side: Yes

There is probably nothing living that has always existed. If there was then that would mean that there is a consciousness that has existed for an infinite number of years. It's possible to me to have a continual infinite chain of one thing creating the next. But if you assume consciousness to be a thing, then yes I'll admit there's a first for that thing. That doesn't mean that the thing has always existed. In fact, it probably was the first of its kind, created by something else.

That would make sense that all possibilities exist at one point and are created at some point on an infinite plane. I.E. Parallel Worlds- Michio Kaku. I think that it's possible that there's no first, but not likely. If there is, it just came from the original possible time when it could be created. If not, which is likely, then it's just an infinite timeline of all things being created infinite times.

According to Michio Kaku, there is an infinite number of every possible universe. How likely could it be that such universes were all created during the same length of time ago, by the same thing. Not likely, considering that for god to have existed infinitely, something has to cause god to exist right?

Side: No
1 point

It would be interesting to know it, but either someone or something had to exist.

Side: No