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Yes, Science for the win! No, I am not convinced
Debate Score:28
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Has Science done it again? Is the "Science can't explain life" arguement dead?

Scientists recently have, for the first time, created life in a lab. Scientists in the UK have made Ribonucleitides, the building block for Rna, in a lab starting with nothing but base chemicals. This is the first step to showing how life could have started on our planet by becoming a self replicating molecule from the primordial soup. Here's an article from Nature.

http://www.nature.com/news/2009/090513/full/news.2009.471.html

 

Scientists in Japan have also recently discovered that impacts of great force, like that of an asteroid into the ocean, can fuse elements to create organic molecules in the impact. The study goes on to describe how these organic molecules would survive the blast zone by being quickly dissolved in the primordial oceans seeding life. Here's an article from USAToday.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/columnist/vergano/2008-12-08-asteroid-collisions_N.htm

Yes, Science for the win!

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No, I am not convinced

Side Score: 14
5 points

This is the newer, badass version Miller-Urey experiment. Cheers to science.

As for the question: if science "can't explain life", then why is it that so many organized religions already claim to know the answer?

Let's take a second to define science. Your career is based on reliable performance and credibility. You can only submit a query based from previous knowledge in the form of a testable hypothesis. Then, you will test this theory with the utmost precision, several times. Then after you publish your findings, then science will test and scrutinize the hell out of it several times in THEIR laboratories. And only THEN is your statement or conclusion a valid explanation or theory.

I hope we can understand that science is the most reliable source we have.

Where are the headlines? Announcements? Shouldn't we be "fair and balanced"? .....america?......guys?

I can't fathom how many newer, more obvious implications will arise from observational science before people here in America stop looking to backless religions.

Side: Yes, Science for the win!
1 point

yeah,

Science soars high.

The fact that the life Can be created in lab is Unavoidable by any one!

it is yet another mile stone that science came across successfully.

Three Cheers to scientists....

Side: Yes, Science for the win!
4 points

it doesn't explain HOW it happened, just what was needed.

all we've proven is that scientist are able to create life... almost.

we haven't discovered how life was created in the first place, though.

Side: No, I am not convinced
p6667(66) Disputed
1 point

Obviously life can't be explained in a few experiments. There are several of them. These 2 new developments in tandem with experiments in the past should collectively prove life's formation.

We have:

1. Replicated, mapped, created (in various parts with relatively simple methods to that of most technology today), anything-else-ed life in various forms.

2. There is an extensive fossil record with plenty of transitional fossils.

3. We've documented all of the necessary processes of evolution in action and seen natural selection take its course countless times.

You all forget, experiments like this take place in what represents a puddle or so in a few days of testing, imagine the probabilities involved with the surface area of the ENTIRE GLOBE over EONS.

Seriously. Guys. It's like Wheel of Fortune where there's one letter left, just solve the damn puzzle.

Side: Yes, Science for the win!
1 point

I don't think Pyg (and Cerin for that matter) was objecting to evolutionary arguments. He was more saying that we can't draw such a full conclusion from limited data. Just a call for logical parsimony. We can't prove that life was created in such a way. We can only prove that we can create life in a lab setting.

Seriously. Guys. It's like Wheel of Fortune where there's one letter left, just solve the damn puzzle.

Although that is the phrase of the year. I'm gonna have to use that.

Side: Yes, Science for the win!
1 point

What do you mean by how if not the mechanisms that got you to the point where it can be called life?

What would you call evidence of how life began?

Side: Yes, Science for the win!
ThePyg(6738) Disputed
2 points

because we manipulated the setting.

back then, humans weren't around to manipulate the setting.

so what actually did make the conditions right?

Side: No, I am not convinced
1 point

But there are very credible scientists who have theories based off research and evidence.

Side: Yes, Science for the win!
3 points

This is a step closer, but it's not rock-solid proof that life can form naturally (even though I believe it does). RNA is an important part of life, but it alone doesn't constitute a living organism.

Side: No, I am not convinced
2 points

RNA is a copy of DNA, right? So we would need something to form DNA for the RNA to be able to copy it. Unless they have proof that the RNA can mutate into DNA.

Side: No, I am not convinced
2 points

Early cells only had RNA. DNA evolved later. DNA is not necessary for life, but RNA is. Here is a video about it if you have more questions.

The origin of the genetic code
Side: Yes, Science for the win!
HGrey87(750) Disputed
1 point

Forgive my ignorance, but I don't think DNA or RNA are requirements for life, are they? I'm not sure what the particular reqs are, but there are ways to self-replicate other than the current one.

Side: Yes, Science for the win!
Cerin(206) Disputed
2 points

Without DNA or RNA?

It might be life Jim, but not as we know it...

Side: No, I am not convinced