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Has political correctness gone to far ?

Recently I read an article talking about gender neutral parenting where children wear gender neutral clothes , play with gender neutral toys and have gender neutral names ; what a pile of fucking nonsense has the world gone barking mad ? 

Yes it's over the top

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No it has a way to go

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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/transgender-kids-have-we-gone-too-far/article16897043/

this is an Absolutely Amazing article on this very subject. It shows both sides of the coin but has a general stance is of your opinion. We could be very greatly harming our children by pushing this idea of changing gender. I'm pretty sure anyone who looks back at their own childhood can say that they were young, dumb, and didn't understand themselves until they were older...why would we think children today are different?

Side: Yes it's over the top
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You're absolutely right , and one man said his 5 year old picks his own clothes in stores and in one case picked a pink dress and boots ( which is what kids do ) the father and mother applauded it as a great choice ; this is how far this stupidity has gone .

Side: Yes it's over the top

That's crazy.

It's normal for kids to like bright colours.

In fact, pink was my favourite when I was 5.

There is nothing to need applauding. It might as well seem sarcastic.

Side: Yes it's over the top
Jace(4757) Disputed
1 point

For all the evidence shows, you could be harming them just as much by socializing them into gender as not. Why should you assume one way or the other if you don't have the evidence?

Raising a child in a gender neutral household doesn't push any gender identity, tautologically. That's the meaning of neutrality. There isn't any immediately obvious detriment to not making assumptions about a child's identity in this or elsewhere, so I don't see why parents raising their children this way if they see fit to do so is a concern for anyone else.

It isn't a matter of whether children are different, but whether our methods of raising children are as good as they could be. Attitudes toward raising children have changed drastically over the centuries, let alone across all human history. That isn't even to say that people before were "bad parents", but that our ideas about raising children do evolve.

Side: No it has a way to go
Dermot(5453) Disputed
1 point

All the evidence ,where is this evidence ?

Why assume one way or another ?

Well if a new born is born as a girl it's a fair bet that this will remain their gender for life , why do you use such terms as ' push gender ' ?

It's absolute nonsense , one of the oddities of modern life is that polite society currently insists that you are “born this way” if you are homosexual or misgendered. But when it comes to boys who like to play with swords and build fighter jets? For some reason, this is viewed as a societal construct that should be eradicated so that they’ll want to play with dolls , hypocrisy at its worst .

Our ideas about everything evolve morality is ever changing and evolves with society and not always for the best .

Side: Yes it's over the top
2 points

The example given is over the top.

1) You don't have to sterilize gender from kids lives. Just don't chastise a boy for playing with something pink or a doll, or chastise a girl for liking boy things.

2) Do you realize that even if something gets taken too far it's not a reason to wholly object to it? Political correctness is usually more about respecting other people's differences. You don't decide to ignore others' feelings just because some take it too far.

Side: Yes it's over the top
Dermot(5453) Disputed
1 point

You say ......

Do you realize that even if something gets taken too far it's not a reason to wholly object to it? Political correctness is usually more about respecting other people's differences. You don't decide to ignore others' feelings just because some take it too far....

Well I don't agree with that at all if something gets taken to far it can be indeed be a very valid reason to object to it otherwise lunacy prevails as in the long list of celebrities who now name their children with gender neutral names ; when celebrities join the bandwagon the sheep willingly follow and any objections are shouted down .

Political correctness is meant to be about respecting others feelings but a lot of it is just nonsensical and meaningless posturing by people who want to hear themselves .

Side: No it has a way to go
Grenache(6103) Disputed
2 points

Everything can be taken too far. Privacy taken too far threatens national security. National security too far hurts individual liberties. Liberty taken too far is anarchy and hurts society.

Objecting to political correctness because of extreme examples is like objecting to basic courtesy like please and thank you because a Miss Manors wrote a book of must do courtesy protocols.

Side: Yes it's over the top

It looks like they're trying to create a whole new generation of pansies and cupcakes. I hope the new era being ushered in in January will help reverse this ridiculousness. Go Trump!

Side: Yes it's over the top
1 point

It's absolute horseshit from attention seeking parents one women refused to say in interview whether her child was male or female until pushed , the fuckwit said ' her gender is presenting as female designated '

I'm not a fan of guns or violence but I would gladly put a bullet in this idiotic creatures brain just to stop having to listen to her ridiculous rants

Side: Yes it's over the top
Jace(4757) Disputed
1 point

Speaking of ridiculous rants... What's it to you how someone else raises their child and talks about them? If you don't have evidence of outright abuse, I'd say it's not your concern. No one is forcing you to listen to her or anyone else. That's a choice you're making. Save yourself the aneurysm and the cost of a bullet by not obsessing over others' personal choices.

Side: No it has a way to go
Dermot(5453) Disputed
1 point

Political correctness that's taken to the limits has impications for everyone who is a part of society your attitude is exactly the one that nonsense such as this continues to infest our societies ; it's the usual you're better off saying nothing attitude .

Side: Yes it's over the top
Dermot(5453) Disputed
1 point

Political correctness that's taken to the limits has impications for everyone who is a part of society your attitude is exactly the one that nonsense such as this continues to infest our societies ; it's the usual you're better off saying nothing attitude .

Side: Yes it's over the top
1 point

Political Correctness is cultural Marxism. It is Marxism translated from economic into cultural terms. It is an effort that goes back not to the 1960's and the hippies and the peace movement, but back to World War I. Cultural Marxism or Political Correctness says that all history is determined by power, by which groups defined in terms of race, sex, etc., have power over which other groups.

Perfectly defines the Progressive / Leftist in America.

Side: Yes it's over the top
Dermot(5453) Clarified
1 point

If a fair proportion of Americans think this way I fear America is in for a rough ride in the future as this is not progressive it's just horseshit

Side: Yes it's over the top
1 point

I'm a Brit currently living in the U.S. I just began a new job and during the first day of orientation classes, the longest class (over two bloody hours!) was spent on telling us how not to offend queers or dykes or trannies, and how they even deserve preferential treatment! I fancy the U.S.....but lads: your PC has gone bonkers! I felt a right bloody knob having to sit and listen to all that and me mates back home would have a good laugh.

Side: Yes it's over the top
1 point

You're correct and everyone that's different is now elevated to a pedestal where PC types whine and moan about how they have been victimised by cruel societies ; it's actually a societal advantage now to say you're a cross dressing , black , transgender , one legged asexual :)

How you didn't gag having to listen to this horsehit is beyond me :)

Side: Yes it's over the top
1 point

It sure has. Prochoicers act like prolifers are antichoice.........................

Side: Yes it's over the top
1 point

PC has gone too far, but this a poor demonstration of that. Gender neutrality doesn't have to be PC, and I wouldn't say that how others raise their children is of any concern to anyone else if they're not actually abusing them (which there's no evidence to suggest this is at all).

Side: Yes it's over the top

Political correctness serves a purpose for media, politicians and businesses. They benefit when including all people equally.

Political correctness goes too far when the public... you and me... implement it in our daily speech/work/thoughts/blah blah.

From what I've seen... people bitch about the media and politicians being politically correct, and they form their arguments into being that... because the media has to be politically correct... I have to be too?

How does that make sense?

Side: No it has a way to go

That's not merely about political correctness, but about the entire basis of morality.

And this situation can go really far. It's been nothing yet.

Side: No it has a way to go
Jace(4757) Disputed
1 point

Orly? The entire basis of morality. Do tell.

Side: Yes it's over the top
1 point

That's simple.

Check the underlying assumptions.

This is a morality based on conformity.

You're destroying individual identity that way.

It isn't hard, though. I'd recommend you 'The Will to Power' by Nietzsche.

Side: No it has a way to go