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Loyalty Death failed me
Debate Score:12
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Have you found yet anything reliable than death?

Reliable people, services, or products are very scarce to come by. People are not reliable or loyal so most of us have trust issues with people. Here's death always reliable, yet why all the hate??

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Wow , Jeffers is dying to die to meet a celestial tyrant who claimed “ I love yous all unconditionally but if you don’t love me back you will roast in hell for eternity “ .......The truly tragic thing is you and other “Christians “ relish the thought of an eternity with this tyrant who would Grant Hitler , Stalin and Mao an eternity in heaven if they had a death bed conversion yet consign an Atheist to hell fire for rejecting the claims for his existence 🔥 That’s fucked up dawg 🐕

Side: Death failed me
jeffreyone(1383) Disputed
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After two years over the same topic you still miss the point. Let me try once again.

People are not going to condemnation because they refuse to accept Jesus Christ.

When Lucifer and his angels rebelled against God, they fell short of his glory or holiness and were cast out of heaven, they were since destined for damnation, hell. Every single one of those Angels.

Then God created man.

And soon enough, man also also fell short of the glory of God. Adam and Eve were just supposed to die to end it. But they had children and passed on the curse or disease of sin to their children. It's like an HIV positive parents passing the infection to their offsprings. So their offsprings were born sinners or sin infected. The multiplication continued and became so many but equally destined for damnation just like their ancestors and the fallen angels. Both the fallen angels and man had no relationship with God. But after a while men strived to rebuild a connection with God. Men started worshipping stones, silver, Gold, wood in their desperate attempt to have a connection with the superior being. All was to no avail till there came a man called Abraham, who instead of following the tradition of worshipping woods, stones etc., he began to question the things in his environment and dearly seeked to know the God who created them. He caught the attention of God. Fast forwarding the story, God demanded a sacrifice of his only son from him, and with a heavy heart yet he obeyed. But before he could complete that sacrifice of his only beloved son, God rather offered a lamb; a representation of the son of God. God was moved by Abraham's obedience. So he offered his son as atonement for man's sins. An opportunity the fallen Angels never had. That who so ever accepts his son's sacrifice and calls him his personal saviour (from the curse and damnation of sin). And whoever comes to him in the name of his son, he shall pardon his sin or curse. No one goes to the father except through Him(his son). Salvation is not compulsory. Salvation is an opportunity. An opportunity every human being should be desperately striving for. An opportunity fallen Angels will never have even when Enoch(in the book of Enoch) tried to intercede for them to no avail. "For God so loved the one world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in him, shall not perish but have everlasting life". Every human being carries the infectious curse of sin and the default destiny is to perish in hell. Believing in Jesus is the only way to gain the gift of eternal life. How's someone who's giving such a rare one time opportunity wicked? If some fallen Angels had this opportunity, you think they'd take it for granted? You should feel special for having such an opportunity freely available to you; A man's privilege.

You don't have to love God first. Just accept his son. Do you love your kids because they love you or it's non transactional and unconditional?

Yet, man still has his free will worldly life ahead of him. You can boil till death.

But you have no insurance to save your soul from eternal damnation when your time is up.

Life is free, you took it.

Salvation is also free.....

Are you taking it?

There was a guy who shared his testimony after recovering from Mental illness for over 3yrs. He said the final day he was healed, he saw a man sitting before him who introduced himself as Jesus Christ and told him(the man) that he(Jesus) loved him. Jesus then asked back if the man loved him and the man said he replied No; honestly.

Then Jesus told him to share to the world his testimony of what he has done for him(the man) and win more souls to him. The man is now a Pastor preaching the word of God.

So you can be honest, you don't have to lie you love God or Jesus when you don't. Jesus knows. He's not offended. He just wants you to take his free gift of salvation by a simple declaration by mouth for your soul that He is your Lord and personal saviour. That's all. The relationship is built with time.

Side: Loyalty
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Death failed me

Oh, indeed, I will die the first death (save Rapture) however the second death ? < not so much

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Jesus said to her . . . I am the resurrection and the life ..

he who believes in me will live even if he dies ..... John 11:25

Side: Death failed me
3 points

Oh, indeed, I will die the first death (save Rapture) however the second death ? < not so much

Listen up dummy.

If you have to die to experience the second death then there's no way you can know any such thing exists, because there are no dead people around to ask.

It's like you're a child.

Side: Loyalty
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Indeed ....... At that time .. Jesus said .. I praise you .. father .. Lord of heaven and earth ..

that you have hidden these things from the "wise and intelligent" and have revealed them to infants ..

yes .. father .. for this way was well-pleasing in your sight ..... Matthew 11:25-26

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For God so loved the world .. that he gave his only begotten Son ..

that whoever believes in him shall not perish .. but have eternal life ..... John 03:16

Side: Death failed me
1 point

I figure the next eons to be similar to the last eons. Eventually I will be stardust, as I was before. No biggie, it happens to ALL of us. See you in the stars, Dad. ;-)

I wish I could get beyond the fact that the "Book" was written by MAN (men). Nobody is around that witnessed anything that is written in it. Nice story, but, I need to talk to the Author and SEE some proof.

Side: Death failed me
1 point

"In this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes."

-Benjamin Franklin.

Although in looking up that quote it is also said by Christopher Bullock in The Cobbler of Preston in 1716. So....whoever said it, death and taxes are quite reliable.

Side: Death failed me
jeffreyone(1383) Disputed
1 point

Taxes are evasive, try Death....................................................................................................................................................................

Side: Loyalty
Mint_tea(4641) Disputed
1 point

I'll wait to try death at a later time.

Side: Death failed me