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Marriage is still mostly a religious institution and a religious idea. If you're not religious or don't believe in marriage, then I don't see any reason to get married. Besides, divorce is costly and expensive, and nearly 60% of marriages end in divorce. Marriage don't keep people together, but they do drain people financially and emotionally, and make cutting the tie very difficult.
If humans were meant to be monogamous for life, over 50% of marriages would't end in divorce. And if you have to create a law and a threat of damnation to keep people together, maybe you ought to rethink your ideas on what human sexuality entails.
We aren't gorillas or penguins. Only a tiny minority of us have one partner for their entire lives. If you're married, chances are your husband or wife has cheated on you or at least seriously considered it, probably more than once.
That's human sexuality.
Anyhow, marriage brings nothing of benefit to children. It clearly doesn't provide security against a breakup. If anything, it draws out an already painful process. Breakups are inevitable in life, even with people you thought you might be with forever. It's just how we're wired.
The barbarian shepherds who told the tall stories of your favourite work of fiction, were quite clearly men whose mentality was that women were property, and "if OUR semen isn't the semen they take, then stone them to death or cut off their clitorises".
Women aren't property. Relationships can't be forced. Christianity isn't the answer.
Marriage is the merging of one man and one woman in a lifetime bond in which they become one flesh. It is religious people who think they have the right to exist outside of Hell who ignore the fact that people are made male and female and a man and woman become one flesh in marriage.
You're just a pervert trying to justify your own dirty mind and dirty deeds. For the way you are promoting sexual licentiousness, if your spouse or pervert partner gives you AIDS, you deserve it. For the way you are trying to excuse sexual perversion, if your child gets AIDS or disfiguring STD's which break your heart, you deserve it. Call me a hater, you hate goodness and you love perversion and for your love you deserve the consequences.
Marriage is a religious institution of the church, accepted by the state (in legal terms). But marriage existed LONG before Christianity or Judaism did. It might have gone by different names, but people have been partnering up since the dawn of humanity. You do not own the definition of a committed relationship, nor is your view cosmically objective in any way.
You CHOOSE to believe in the myths of shepherds from millenia ago. That does not make you objective. That belief is nothing more than wishful thinking. It is a fanciful application of the human need for meaning.
I find your comments on HIV utterly vile. It shows the complete lack of compassion you have for sufferers of the disease.
I see no perversion in a natural desire to have sex. And whether that desire is directed towards the same sex or the opposite sex, makes absolutely no difference to me. I'm hardly a pervert for having a desire to screw.
If your God designed us, then you must concede that he designed us with our flaws, and the ability to manifest them. So if you want someone to blame for all the rutting going on in the world, then blame your God.
I find your comments utterly vile. If you teach that sex outside of marriage is okay, and marriage can be defined any way you feel like defining it as if the name of Hell gives you authority over God, then you most certainly do deserve any STD's that fall on you, and you most certainly deserve to have your heart broke if you see your loved ones stricken with diseases that go along with perversion, perversion which you try to justify because you are a pervert.
I can tell you're the kind of person who the older you get, the more bitter, and angry you become towards a world you simply can't enjoy. Do you know what will be waiting for you when you take your last breath? Nothing. You'll cease to think, and feel, and see (not that you can feel and think and see anyway -- you might as well be dead), and you will have wasted your entire life. Worms and dust is what you'll find after an existence spent trying to control and dominate and scare other people; trying to stifle free thought; trying to limit choice; trying to enforce an ideology that has churned you up and turned you into a sour, sad excuse for a human being: a life you spent scaring children into believing in your shit; and wrestling against the current every single day, struggling to align your bullshit religion with the advances of our species. You are a retardation of man. No God waits for you. No Devil waits for me. No Heaven exists. No Hell is there. Just decomposition, a return to the unconscious un-state you were in before physics and chemistry collided in a gigantic mistake to bring you out of the dirt. At the end of my life, I will have learned and grown. But you? You are still part of the infancy of this species: a hard-hearted cretin trying desperately to make everybody else as miserable as he is.
Your life is finite, and this is what you choose. Rather than appreciate life for the short and fleeting experience it is -- having compassion and a sense of decency sufficient to allow people to take joy and pleasure from their lives -- you want to spend it being an oppressive, harsh, incomprehensibly bitter, deluded. hateful little dinosaur.
You will end up alone. And you will have deserved it.
I can tell you are the kind of person who believes morality is whatever you approve of and can be changed to fit your situation...situation ethics.
I can tell you are the kind of bigot who will call me stupid names like "judgmental" and "bigot" because I know right is right and wrong is wrong, and I know you are a pervert because you do not recognize the sanctity of a persons gender (male or female, what they were born as) and you reject the sanctity of marriage.
I can tell that you are the kind of person who will blame God if your daughter comes home pregnant with AIDS, because God allows diseases in the world so it's God's fault when your child acts stupid, and it's God's fault when He allows you to talk stupid and say stupid things like "sex is for whatever you feel like doing, marriage really only means what you want it to mean and if you marry your horse, then you're good and not a pervert".
I can tell you are the kind of person who God mocks, because you will not receive instruction from God and when you watch your daughter waste away from AIDS you cry "WHY GOD, WHY!!??!?!!!?!", and God says "fool, you would not listen to me before, and you are going to call out to me now? You will not listen and I will not answer you". God laughs at atheists.
Your dying is forever, you will never get out of it if God does not get you out of it. Your time in this world is finite, your dying is forever and it's going to be in Hell where it belongs if you will not repent of all your sin and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ who is God the Savior who Created you...you refuse Him who is life so you get what you have, it's what you want, doing your own thing forever and you can do it in Hell if you must go your own way.
You're a pompous fool. God loves you. You don't have to be a fool. Get saved.
Well, more than likely you are better of financially and by 25 most people are independent. I don't have a kid so I wouldn't really know. I'm just using some common sense.
The child deserves to be in a family with it's father and mother, you become a family when you get married, get married first. Has the whole world lost it's mind?
I had both of my children after the age of 30. In a way I wish I had them earlier, it feels like I would have more energy but honestly I had them when I was ready and that is more important than age. My husband and I spent a long time building our marriage and getting settled and now we can enjoy watching our children grow, playing with them and laughing at their antics.
In short, it's not the age, it's the mentality. Enjoy life for a while, but realize once you have kids you don't have the freedom you once had. It's worth it imo, but then we had the opportunity to wait until we were mentally ready.
We had kids very late in life (we met late). It's wonderful and I have no regrets. But, had we met earlier (say 25-35) our backs and knees would hurt less and our physical engagement with them in sports and such would be greater.
After the age of 25 the brain is fully developed and you have a little bit more life experience. On top of that, you've probably done your youthful running wild and you're more likely to be able to settle down without resentment.
A decent age gap between parent and child also helps with respect especially when the child gets to the rebellious teenage stage.
This being said, it's not a good idea to leave it too late as it increases the risk of some chromosomal disorders etc. if the mother is older.