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Hell Fire and Brimstone Eternal Punishment of Sinners
"HELL" here is used as a proper noun, the name of a specific place, and not a curse word. I welcome all discussion, but anybody who uses any profanity will be BANNED. That's kind of how God is with sinners, there comes a point when He will no longer put up with their wrongdoings and He lets them have the death they deserve and their last chance at knowing His love and mercy is gone forever in death. That's how it is in this debate discussion...the first time I see a cuss word by any person, that person gets banned and will NEVER get back into the discussion here.
We have all gone against God, we have all separated ourselves from Him by our wrongdoings (I know "sins" is too big of a word for a lot of people, and I think most people are honest enough to admit they have done things that were wrong, and failed to do things they should have done to be doing right, so I'll use "wrongdoings" in place of "sins").
We all deserve to die, we all deserve to burn in Hell, and if we don't get saved from dying, we will surely die and if we are not saved from Hell, it will surely be our confinement forever.
God cannot be good if He does not separate evil from Himself. Hell is for the confinement of evil, the punishment of sinners. Hell justifies the existence of evil by promising to confine and consume it forever. What God has created was good when created and is created forever. We have gone bad by breaking His law. We deserve to be separated from God in death. God has made the way for us to be reunited with Him in life, to be saved from our sins, death, and Hell. He died for us, took our death in His own body, and rose from the dead offering full pardon, forgiveness to all who believe on Him and receive Him for real....and He gives them eternal life, making them new creations who take sides with Him against their own "wrongdoings" and go His way in His law instead of their own way in dying death heading to Hellfire and Brimstone punishment forever.
Why do you always act obnoxious and get yourself banned? Are you trying to be the leader of the clowns? Is it because your inner opposite gender person is having difficulty proving it is real, and you can't smoke enough weed to make it feel better?
The funny part is how people who believe in evolution are so obsessed with trying to obscure the videos of the OP and refuse to admit that they both are very funny....especially the one that is supposed to be cereal, which starts with unexplained music which apparently composed itself after bacteria gathered enough backbone to grow a spine and became little swimmers. Then as the fish turned into the Cavemen from the Geico commercials who must have been paid pretty good to walk naked and look stupid pretending to be Neanderthals (they sure had the face for it, that's why Geico paid them so much to be Cavemen in their insurance commercials)......and as the naked Geico Cavemen became smarter, the music reached a crescendo of beauty with little children kissning....
The one that was supposed to be serious was much funnier than the one that was designed as a spoof.
I have the right to ban you if I feel like banning you as long as this site allows me to do it. For now I'm not banning you, but trying to get you to discuss the topic at some level. If I decide to ban you, it will be forever separating you from this discussion. If that's what you want, I think you know how to make it happen...just keep making childish remarks and refusing to engage in discussion, or use expletives. Your behavior has already been bad enough to merit banning, but I really want to try to draw you into a discussion about justice. I'm the judge here, deciding if you should be banned or not. God is the judge deciding if you should have more time to live or be executed forever gone from life now. It's about who has the right...you or God. Who has the right to live, you or God? Who has the right to banish one away from the other, do you have the right to banish God, or does He have the right to banish you? If you say you don't believe in God or Hell, you are trying to banish Him and you are the one who is going to end up being banished by God in Hell forever, to be left exactly the way you want to be which is the way you are now....proudly against your Creator.
I don't believe in Hell, however, for those who do, did they ever think that humans will not be forgiven by God the Father for what they did to his Son?
God the Father and God the Son are one. The Son came willingly, God incarnate for the sole purpose of executing your punishment to fully pay for you what you can never pay in Hell if you refuse His payment on your behalf. The reason you can never pay in Hell is that you can never remove from your historical record the wrongs you have done, you can never erase the effects of those things in the lives around you which were affected, and you can never change yourself from being a person prone to doing those kind of things. Even imagining wrongdoing, such as thinking lustfully toward somebody you are not married to or who is the same gender as yourself, or who is a pig or a sheep or a dog or whatever, is the same as doing it in God's sight. Moments of thoughts of hatred toward me, your neighbor, God, or anybody else is the same as murder in God's sight. You will always be the same as you are now if God Himself does not re-create you with a new spirit, born of His Holy Spirit which is Jesus Christ in person who desires to live in you and give you eternal life.
If God was not going to forgive anybody, He would not have allowed Adam time to reproduce, He would have killed Adam on the spot and left him in Hell with the devil. God had a plan to bring us here to show His goodness, and it cost Him His life to save us while the devil and his angels will be damned with no possibility of being saved.
You will not be forgiven for what you did to the Son of God if you do not believe He did it for you, and is risen from the dead bodily and is alive with power to forgive and save you from death.
You can be forgiven because He is risen from the dead. The problem is that people generally understand, if they admit it or not, that if they accept Him as Truth, He will change them and their lives forever, and they will probably lose a lot of friends over it and probably be distanced or separated from a lot of family members. Sinners are birds of a feather who flock together so they can try to cover for each other as they enjoy their own way of living separate from God as long as they can enjoy it.
Why should they be forgiven by Him after He is risen from the dead, offering forgiveness, yet is still rejected by them from being their King? They want to go there own way, and God allows them to go their own way to Hell.
The Doctrine of eternal Hellfire is not found in the greek text of the New Testament. The mistranslation is "kolasin anion" as translated "eternal punishment", but correctly translated as "punishment in the age to come."
The doctrine of Universal Salvation (Apocatastasis) is present in numerous verses:
God's will is to have all saved (1 Tim. 2:4)
Salvation of all testified (1 Tim. 2:6)
Jesus came to save all (John 12:47)
All come into Him (Eph. 1:10)
All reconciled to God (Col. 1:20)
Mercy on all (Rom. 11:32)
God will be all in all (1 Cor. 15:28)
Jesus is Heir of all things (Heb. 1:2)
All families blessed by seed of Abraham (Gen. 18:18)
All flesh will come to God (Psalms 65:2-4)
Jesus will draw all mankind to Himself (John 12:32)
You are wrong. If there is no Hell with fire and brimstone, there is no need to obey God, no need to serve God, no need to believe on the deity and bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ because the sinner faces no punishment for being against their Creator.
The doctrine of Universal Salvation is a perversion of doctrine, and is core to all humanistic religions including Islam, Hinduism and all it's branches including that fat guy whose name I can never spell right...I'll just call him Bhubba...Atheism, Zen, Nihilism, Seventh Day Adventism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons.....all offer the false promise of no eternal punishment of Hell.....Catholicism also offers this false promise....
You are twisting many Bible passages and ignoring many more and if you continue with this kind of stuff I'll have to ban you. You can go start your own debate if you want to teach the world that they don't have to fear God because they won't be punished no matter what they do.
I said there was no "eternal" punishment, which is vastly different from saying no punishment period. You may have strong opinions but just know that this is a disputed issue among mainstream scholars.
You are offering the false hope that any person can be relieved from punishment no matter what they do or do not do. Under your teachings from Hell, nobody needs to listen to anything you are saying because they all get off the hook and forgiven sooner or later. I told you I was going to ban you if you kept pushing this doctrine of demons here, and you are banned.
Banning you from this discussion is eternal punishment. You will NEVER return to this discussion, not here, you are FOREVER banned here. That's eternal punishment if you accept the fact or not.
If you really believe there is no eternal punishment, you are deceived or a fool or both....and you are trying to lead others in the same deception and bringing yourself into extra punishments from God for being a false teacher.
Thank you for allowing yourself to be used to illustrate a point.
This pseudo-intellectual is trying to erase Hell while in reality supporting the reason for it's existence. God has nowhere other than Hell for those who go against Him. He did everything He could for them by dying in their place and conquering death so they can be delivered from it in His resurrection.
You are wrong. If there is no Hell with fire and brimstone, there is no need to obey God, no need to serve God, no need to believe on the deity and bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ because the sinner faces no punishment for being against their Creator.
The doctrine of Universal Salvation is a perversion of doctrine, and is core to all humanistic religions including Islam, Hinduism and all it's branches including that fat guy whose name I can never spell right...I'll just call him Bhubba...Atheism, Zen, Nihilism, Seventh Day Adventism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons.....all offer the false promise of no eternal punishment of Hell.....Catholicism also offers this false promise....
You are twisting many Bible passages and ignoring many more and if you continue with this kind of stuff I'll have to ban you. You can go start your own debate if you want to teach the world that they don't have to fear God because they won't be punished no matter what they do.
Those "Oxford" guys are generally Eastern Orthodox leaning, and not Biblical in their arguments. They twist the Bible to fit there "intellectual theology" rather than taking God at His word and believing and obeying Him. People who try to justify themselves with these kind of teachings are not Christians, and are not speaking for the faith of God in Jesus Christ.
So by your stupid statement, I will assume that you believe you are as good or better than God and have the right to exist outside of Hell. Well, fool, God has the right to banish you from life and leave you dying in Hell forever, and I have the right to banish you from this debate so you will never again add disruption here. I hope you are proud of yourself, fool....because that pride is all you will have in Hell, and you will hate yourself in it.
I was gone for a few days, so I'll try a few times to get you to discuss the topic with some kind of resemblance of adult manners.
If you are only going to make childish disruptive comments, I'm going to ban you. Today I will ban nobody, only issue warnings with appeals to engage in reasonable conversation before I ban those who will not discuss the topic civilly.
My promise to ban nobody today only applies to those who do not use expletives. I will keep my word to ban anybody the moment I see they have used an expletive in their post. Nobody else will be banned today.
I have the right to ban you if I feel like banning you as long as this site allows me to do it. For now I'm not banning you, but trying to get you to discuss the topic at some level. If I decide to ban you, it will be forever separating you from this discussion. If that's what you want, I think you know how to make it happen...just keep making childish remarks and refusing to engage in discussion, or use expletives. Your behavior has already been bad enough to merit banning, but I really want to try to draw you into a discussion about justice. I'm the judge here, deciding if you should be banned or not. God is the judge deciding if you should have more time to live or be executed forever gone from life now. It's about who has the right...you or God. Who has the right to live, you or God? Who has the right to banish one away from the other, do you have the right to banish God, or does He have the right to banish you? If you say you don't believe in God or Hell, you are trying to banish Him and you are the one who is going to end up being banished by God in Hell forever, to be left exactly the way you want to be which is the way you are now....proudly against your Creator.
I can't wrap my mind around the concept of either heaven or hell. There have been billions of people who have/will die without ever hearing Gods word. They have to burn in hell because a god they never knew about?
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Sure you can wrap your mind around the concept of Hell. It's very simple. In Hell, you would fry like an eternal sausage, remembering all the stupid thing you said such as "I can't wrap my mind around the concept of Hell".
Heaven is good beyond description. You cannot wrap your mind around the concept of Heaven because the love of God is unfathomable.
The funny part is how people who believe in evolution are so obsessed with trying to obscure the videos of the OP and refuse to admit that they both are very funny....especially the one that is supposed to be cereal, which starts with unexplained music which apparently composed itself after bacteria gathered enough backbone to grow a spine and became little swimmers. Then as the fish turned into the Cavemen from the Geico commercials who must have been paid pretty good to walk naked and look stupid pretending to be Neanderthals (they sure had the face for it, that's why Geico paid them so much to be Cavemen in their insurance commercials)......and as the naked Geico Cavemen became smarter, the music reached a crescendo of beauty with little children kissning....
The one that was supposed to be serious was much funnier than the one that was designed as a spoof.
I have the right to ban you if I feel like banning you as long as this site allows me to do it. For now I'm not banning you, but trying to get you to discuss the topic at some level. If I decide to ban you, it will be forever separating you from this discussion. If that's what you want, I think you know how to make it happen...just keep making childish remarks and refusing to engage in discussion, or use expletives. Your behavior has already been bad enough to merit banning, but I really want to try to draw you into a discussion about justice. I'm the judge here, deciding if you should be banned or not. God is the judge deciding if you should have more time to live or be executed forever gone from life now. It's about who has the right...you or God. Who has the right to live, you or God? Who has the right to banish one away from the other, do you have the right to banish God, or does He have the right to banish you? If you say you don't believe in God or Hell, you are trying to banish Him and you are the one who is going to end up being banished by God in Hell forever, to be left exactly the way you want to be which is the way you are now....proudly against your Creator.
The funny part is how people who believe in evolution are so obsessed with trying to obscure the videos of the OP and refuse to admit that they both are very funny....especially the one that is supposed to be cereal, which starts with unexplained music which apparently composed itself after bacteria gathered enough backbone to grow a spine and became little swimmers. Then as the fish turned into the Cavemen from the Geico commercials who must have been paid pretty good to walk naked and look stupid pretending to be Neanderthals (they sure had the face for it, that's why Geico paid them so much to be Cavemen in their insurance commercials)......and as the naked Geico Cavemen became smarter, the music reached a crescendo of beauty with little children kissning....
The one that was supposed to be serious was much funnier than the one that was designed as a spoof.
I have the right to ban you if I feel like banning you as long as this site allows me to do it. For now I'm not banning you, but trying to get you to discuss the topic at some level. If I decide to ban you, it will be forever separating you from this discussion. If that's what you want, I think you know how to make it happen...just keep making childish remarks and refusing to engage in discussion, or use expletives. Your behavior has already been bad enough to merit banning, but I really want to try to draw you into a discussion about justice. I'm the judge here, deciding if you should be banned or not. God is the judge deciding if you should have more time to live or be executed forever gone from life now. It's about who has the right...you or God. Who has the right to live, you or God? Who has the right to banish one away from the other, do you have the right to banish God, or does He have the right to banish you? If you say you don't believe in God or Hell, you are trying to banish Him and you are the one who is going to end up being banished by God in Hell forever, to be left exactly the way you want to be which is the way you are now....proudly against your Creator.
It's God who needs forgiving, if not some psychiatric treatment. The big invisible man in the sky is a reclusive megalomaniac who demands that people praise him in word, deed and prayer every day or else they shall suffer shocking pain by being roasted in hell for eternity. We are told we are born with sin, how come? We are told that God created heaven and earth in six days and took a rest on the seventh, emm. He then produced the garden of Eden in which he placed Adam. Seeing that Adam was quite happy he sneaked down in the dead of night a stole one of his ribs, from which he made Eve, emm. He told Eve she could eat of any tree in the garden except the apple tree which he pointed out to her, big mistake. Eve went to the apple tree ( funny enough) where she met a talking snake who told her to eat the forbidden fruit, emm. A talking snake!! I ask you. Adam saw Eve and didn't question from where she came, but apparently started making love. O.K, on that one. This is the book upon which witnesses in a court of law are required to swear upon to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, emm.
Hmmm, very interesting (apart from the blasphemies) Mr. Calamity Zoo. I'm sure you will pardon me for punning about your name since you pardon yourself for trashing God's name without restraint. If God were reclusive and unconcerned about you, He would not have sent me here to appeal to you on His behalf so that maybe you will come into agreement with Him for His mercy and He can forgive you and pardon you from execution in Hell.
We are told that we are born with sin because we are sinners. It's in our genes. It's also called "corruption". It's the corruption of death that destroys our body, and the corruption of goodness which destroys our soul. God loves us and wants us to have His mercy, so He gives us time to live as sinners. He wants to change us into new creatures who will one day never sin again so His Kingdom of Heaven will remain undefiled while we are there with Him to enjoy His blessings while He enjoys us and all the rest of His creation. The only thing He does not enjoy is the death of the wicked in Hell because it destroys what He created to be good, but chose to go bad. The smoke of the torments of sinners in Hell will rise as proof of God's goodness, and there will never be another breaking of His law. All lawlessness will be confined in the fire of Hell where that very fire consumes all things that in creation are tainted by ungodliness, and that very fire prevents any further damage of rebellion against it's creator....and that old serpent, Satan, who deceived Eve in the garden of Eden, will be chained there and stripped of all power. Adam who loved his wife so much that he joined her in rebellion against God and tried to hide with her away from God, is redeemed by the blood of Jesus Christ who by His resurrection forever sealed the fate of rebels in Hell.
Enjoy your rebellion against God as long as you can if that's the way you want to go out.
The "forbidden fruit" probably was not an apple, but the taste of that fruit is still in your mouth. It was the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Adam and Eve did not know what evil was because they were entirely innocent, perfectly pure and good as created by God. When they broke God's law and rebelled against His commandment to not eat of that fruit, they became lawbreakers knowing evil because evil was now part of them. If you want to blame anybody for the plights of mankind, Adam is the one to blame and we are the same as Adam so blame yourself as well as Adam. If you want to thank anybody for anything good known by anybody anywhere in this world, thank God for allowing the Adamic race to reproduce after Adam turned against God for the love of Eve.
He would not have sent me here to appeal to you on His behalf so that maybe you will come into agreement with Him for His mercy and He can forgive you and pardon you from execution in Hell.
I am 100% sure that God did not send you here, even if God exists.
God is supposed to be intelligent, and thus would send someone who would be even the slightest bit effective at proselytizing.
You are self serving and arrogant, and therefore obviously not effective at in any way, shape, or form. You simply tell yourself that God sent you to justify your behavior, which ironically seems to indicate that you think you can claim to know God's mind.
Congratulations, you have earned the honor of being an example of pushing my patience to the limit and forever banning your voice from my presence here. Justice is served, you are banned.
The funny part is how people who believe in evolution are so obsessed with trying to obscure the videos of the OP and refuse to admit that they both are very funny....especially the one that is supposed to be cereal, which starts with unexplained music which apparently composed itself after bacteria gathered enough backbone to grow a spine and became little swimmers. Then as the fish turned into the Cavemen from the Geico commercials who must have been paid pretty good to walk naked and look stupid pretending to be Neanderthals (they sure had the face for it, that's why Geico paid them so much to be Cavemen in their insurance commercials)......and as the naked Geico Cavemen became smarter, the music reached a crescendo of beauty with little children kissning....
The one that was supposed to be serious was much funnier than the one that was designed as a spoof.
I have the right to ban you if I feel like banning you as long as this site allows me to do it. For now I'm not banning you, but trying to get you to discuss the topic at some level. If I decide to ban you, it will be forever separating you from this discussion. If that's what you want, I think you know how to make it happen...just keep making childish remarks and refusing to engage in discussion, or use expletives. Your behavior has already been bad enough to merit banning, but I really want to try to draw you into a discussion about justice. I'm the judge here, deciding if you should be banned or not. God is the judge deciding if you should have more time to live or be executed forever gone from life now. It's about who has the right...you or God. Who has the right to live, you or God? Who has the right to banish one away from the other, do you have the right to banish God, or does He have the right to banish you? If you say you don't believe in God or Hell, you are trying to banish Him and you are the one who is going to end up being banished by God in Hell forever, to be left exactly the way you want to be which is the way you are now....proudly against your Creator.
This is about JUSTICE, not about religion. You are trying to deny justice and if you are incapable of discussing it I'm going to ban you. You actually are displaying a fine example of a person who believes they are as good as God, but making a very incoherent supporting argument. Saying you believe science will save you from death is not much of an argument supporting your case claiming to be as good as God.
You are on the edge of being banned, and probably will be banned the next day I am reading here for refusing to discuss the topic of Justice which supports the reality of Hell Fire and Brimstone Eternal Punishment of Sinners. I do appreciate that you have refrained from swearing, but that is only enough to insure you won't be banned today. Tomorrow I hope to find you putting up some intelligent discussion in line with the topic opening post.
You will not be banned if you refrain from using expletives and you do not post any links or videos which use expletives. The face of Obama in a video comes close to meriting a ban from this discussion, but for now I'll ignore it. I won't be watching the video but I will watch the responses.
You may be banned if you will not discuss the topic reasonably. I'm not going to read repeated nonsense full of crude or childish behavior. This is designed as a discussion of JUSTICE. The execution of justice by God against His creatures who have turned against Him demanding to have their own way in life, denying Him His rightful place as their Creator and Ruler, is confinement in the fire of Hell which justifies the existence of those who are willfully turned away from and against their Creator.
God loved you before you were born or He would not have allowed you to come into existence. He took on a body as God the Son, and became a man to die in man's place so they can be forgiven and God's justice has been executed fully on Himself and we can be pardoned.
Excessive insults against me may result in banning. I want this to be an intelligent discussion of the concept of Justice executed by God.
This is a new debate and I think I'm being pretty clear about the boundary which you can cross and get yourself banned. It's my right to execute judgement. I'm trying to give a lesson here, trying to show mercy by putting up with some violations of my request to discuss righteousness in judgement, power to forgive, and power to deny appeals for forgiveness. When people end up in Hell, all appeals for forgiveness are denied, not even heard by God because they chose to pay for themselves in death after they rejected God who paid for them as Jesus Christ, and offered them forgiveness in His resurrection. Arguing against God will continue forever, but only in Hell and God won't hear it and the living will not be disrupted by it. This is about righteous judgement.
If all you are going to do is whine about me, and you will not acknowledge nor discuss the topic of the debate, then I most certainly will run out of patience with you and ban you from this debate.
The format of this debate invites legitimate discussion, but your rants are illegitimate. You are attacking me personally instead of discussing the concepts put forth in the opening statement. For this debate, your methods are illegitimate and if I banned you now it would be fair. God is trying to get you to see that you are fighting against Him wrongfully, as I am trying to get you to see that you are fighting against me wrongfully. If God banished you from life forever now, it would be fair. I'm sure I've seen it happen to people younger than you, even though I am assuming you are pretty young. I have only told you the truth. If you feel insulted, it's because you are GUILTY!!!!!
I think I demonstrated that you are a liar, based on your own words. Remember how I pointed out the way you lied? No liars are allowed in Heaven, you need to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved from Hell.
I was gone for a few days, so I'll try a few times to get you to discuss the topic with some kind of resemblance of adult manners.
If you are only going to make childish disruptive comments, I'm going to ban you. Today I will ban nobody, only issue warnings with appeals to engage in reasonable conversation before I ban those who will not discuss the topic civilly.
My promise to ban nobody today only applies to those who do not use expletives. I will keep my word to ban anybody the moment I see they have used an expletive in their post. Nobody else will be banned today.
This is childish and if you won't engage in intelligent discussion I'm going to ban you.
Let me try to get you talking like an adult this way:
I have the right to ban you if I feel like banning you as long as this site allows me to do it. For now I'm not banning you, but trying to get you to discuss the topic at some level. If I decide to ban you, it will be forever separating you from this discussion. If that's what you want, I think you know how to make it happen...just keep making childish remarks and refusing to engage in discussion, or use expletives. Your behavior has already been bad enough to merit banning, but I really want to try to draw you into a discussion about justice. I'm the judge here, deciding if you should be banned or not. God is the judge deciding if you should have more time to live or be executed forever gone from life now. It's about who has the right...you or God. Who has the right to live, you or God? Who has the right to banish one away from the other, do you have the right to banish God, or does He have the right to banish you? If you say you don't believe in God or Hell, you are trying to banish Him and you are the one who is going to end up being banished by God in Hell forever, to be left exactly the way you want to be which is the way you are now....proudly against your Creator.
God cannot be good if He does not banish evil forever. I'm not going to tolerate your childish misquoting and mockeries for long. Today you are not being banned because I promised I would ban nobody today who does not use expletives.
Why do you always act obnoxious and get yourself banned? Are you trying to be the leader of the clowns? Is it because your inner opposite gender person is having difficulty proving it is real, and you can't smoke enough weed to make it feel better?
I was gone for a few days, so I'll try a few times to get you to discuss the topic with some kind of resemblance of adult manners.
If you are only going to make childish disruptive comments, I'm going to ban you. Today I will ban nobody, only issue warnings with appeals to engage in reasonable conversation before I ban those who will not discuss the topic civilly.
My promise to ban nobody today only applies to those who do not use expletives. I will keep my word to ban anybody the moment I see they have used an expletive in their post. Nobody else will be banned today.
I really don't want to ban you, but if you can't put more effort and reasoning into your comments I'm going to ban you. The focus is to be on Justice, which is fulfilled in Hell Fire and Brimstone Eternal Punishment of Sinners. You will probably push me to ban you, so I'll say that when I ban you it is Justice to separate you forever from this discussion, and it is an example of how God tires with people and allows their death to be finalized and forever removes them from discussing their desire to live outside of Hell.
This day is almost over, and I would ban you now if it were 12:01 a.m., so I could honor my word to not ban anybody today....but I'm not going to be awake that long....
And if I have to ban you from this debate, you can be sure that I will never give you more than one chance in any of my debates. I get tired of childishness.
I really don't want to ban you, but if you can't put more effort and reasoning into your comments I'm going to ban you. The focus is to be on Justice, which is fulfilled in Hell Fire and Brimstone Eternal Punishment of Sinners. You will probably push me to ban you, so I'll say that when I ban you it is Justice to separate you forever from this discussion, and it is an example of how God tires with people and allows their death to be finalized and forever removes them from discussing their desire to live outside of Hell.
In other words, if he doesn't agree with you then you will ban him, as you have done with all of your other debates.
I cannot worship an entity who shows no kindness, no sympathy, who "creates" faulty beings who go around and kill their mother and 20 others that were "his creations" and never had the chance to live, let alone worship him! (Just ONE example!). No thank you. I think he created an alter ego to blame all the bad stuff on and just wants credit for the good!
Actually, I don't think S/HE/it created a damn thing. I could go out and kill a dozen people and still be better than IT! I wouldn't, because I AM better than that!
This is an interesting concept, that He created an "alter-ego" to blame all the bad stuff on, and only wants credit for the good.
Oh, but you blew it with cussing...for a few minutes there I was believing that everybody was being respectful of my request to not use expletives here. I appreciate all who can show enough mental discipline and skill to express their feelings and thoughts without using expletives.
I said I would not ban anybody today, but that did not include people who use expletives. You see, God promises that the soul who sins will die. I promised that the soul who uses expletives in this discussion will be banned. To be true to myself, I have to honor my word and keep my word and ban you. Do you see how Justice works? Do you see how God has the right to leave you in Hell forever if you decide you don't want to or don't need to be saved from it?
I stopped reading this post after I saw the expletive verbiage, but if others want to discuss the concept of God creating an altar ego to blame the bad stuff on so He could take credit for all the good, I can run with that for a while I guess.
God made man in His own image. When God created us in Adam, man was sinless like God, perfect. I suppose it can be said in a way that man was an alter ego for God, but it was an alter ego to be enjoyed in a personal relationship, to be treated with all of the blessings a Father can give a son, to be given all of the freedom and pleasure a good father would desire for his children. He created us with power of reason, imagination, and communication like His, and even with the power to reproduce ourselves with people in our own image.
God knew man would rebel against Him and God knew He would have to punish man in death. The author of the post I am replying to here implies that God created an evil altar ego when in fact the author of the post is trying to create a different God who is not worthy of his respect. That's a good way to get yourself into Hell if that's how you want to play against God.
God is showing you kindness and sympathy by allowing you to abuse His air talking badly about Him this way. He does not want to execute you or you would be gone forever already....or maybe you are gone forever...I'll know you are still with us in this world if I see you posting in other topics...you are certainly gone forever from this one. Justice is served.
So you obviously think you are better than God. And I suppose you think God has no right to execute you and leave you in Hell.
When you appear before a judge and refuse to acknowledge his authority, and refuse to admit your guilt, what happens? He bangs his gavel and pronounces the sentence and you are taken away from the judge's presence. That's how God is with you now, trying reason with you so He can pardon you but you are trying to ignore Him. He'll give up after a while if you will insist He has no right to imprison you in death and leave you in Hell. He created you for His pleasure and you just want to give Him a headache. You're almost giving me a headache with your stupid statements.
I'm not big on listening to blasphemy, so if the concepts of judgement, mercy, pardon, execution, banishment, punishment, righteousness, and such things are too difficult for you to discuss intelligently and all you can do is blaspheme, I'll run out of patience with you and make an example of you to show how God has the right to banish you from life forever by banning you from this discussion forever.
Well at least you said some things that make a bit of sense, and were not so blatantly blasphemous in this post.
Of course the concept of God creating you for His pleasure gives you a headache because you don't want to please Him you are incurring His wrath when He wants to give you His blessings.
Something is indeed being achieved here. People are being presented with the Truth. How they respond is their own responsibility and they won't be giving account of their choice to me, I simply will be a witness and their words as well as mine are part of the historical account. There is a reward for me trying to tell you in Jesus' name that God loves you, and there is a reward for saying "I don't care, God can't love me" or whatever stupid things come out of your headache.
Trying to please him is what gave me the headache. Because I don't know what he wants me to do. He tells me plenty of what not to do. But none of what he wants me to.
There's a lot of ranting coming from you but not anything that will help me understand what god wants. How can you possibly know what he wants, but not me? What makes you so special that he speaks directly to you? What kind of disorders are causing your psychosis?
How can you hear what God wants if you won't listen? God wants you to trust Him. If you trust Him, you will obey Him. He's not executing you now, He's trying to save you from execution but He can't if you won't trust Him. God wants you to know He loves you, but how can you know it if you won't believe it?
The only thing that makes me special that God speaks directly to me is that I believe Him, trust Him, and obey Him. If I won't obey Him, I won't hear Him speaking to me. He will speak to you if you believe His word. The Bible is God's love letter to mankind. If you are believing anybody who goes against the Bible, God's word, you are believing lies rather than trusting God.
What kind of disorder is causing you to be against your Creator? It's sin. He has the right to end your time at any moment and you are practically asking Him to do it. You are here under God's mercy because He does not want to execute judgment against you, but He will if you won't stop arguing against Him. How can He speak to you if you won't shut up and listen?
I'm trying to listen but I'm not hearing anything.
If I'm not "really listening" then how do I really listen?
I accept that I am a sinner and ask for his mercy and I still don't hear him.
If I don't really mean what I say, then how do I "really mean it"? I believe that I mean what I really say to him, when I'm asking for mercy and admitting that I'm a sinner, but I still hear nothing.
Average observation skill, is the disorder that is causing me to be against something that I can't hear, see, taste , smell, touch or feel spiritually.
If I'm not seeing, hearing, tasting, smelling, touching or feeling him spiritually
then how can I know that he's really there and observe what information he has to give?
What makes you think you aren't crazy? Have you ever had a psyche evaluation?
What makes me think I'm not crazy? Please forget all the fun we had discussing weed, and check out this music video, in which one of the lines is "Don't tell me I'm crazy, I know I'm not mad. This isn't an illness, inside I'm to glad!"
If you really want to please God, you can start by admitting to God that you have sinned against Him and deserve to be separated from Him forever in Hell. God knows it's true and He wants you to believe He knows it and He wants you to trust in His mercy.
Next, He wants you to believe He loves you so much that He came down from heaven and took your punishment in death, and conquered death for you so you can be saved from Hell in His resurrection. Believing this will change you forever and you will agree with God against your wrongdoings, and you will desire to do right to honor Him as the Creator who is your Savior. God wants you to be honest with Him, admit to Him everything you have done wrong and believe on Jesus Christ as your life so He can give you eternal life now and be your justification for heaven.
You cannot please God in yourself because no matter how much good you do, you still have the black marks of wrong on your record and you are a wrongdoer. You have to be forgiven, and God's forgiveness is secured in His paying of your penalty in death, with power to forgive and save you from Hell in His resurrection.
The only reason you cannot hear God speaking to you is that you don't want to let go of your pet sin, whatever it is. People generally love their sin more than they love life, and they'll take it to the grave with them and be held in it's bondage forever. You don't have to go out that way, you can go to heaven through Jesus Christ. This is God's message, the good news for mankind, the gospel of God....forgiveness you can never earn but can receive directly from God according to His word. God cannot lie, He promises eternal life to all who repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
You say its God's message, but all I see are the words of a bored buffoon on the internet. Accepting your word over God's would be blasphemous. Stop this foolishness and God will not smite you.
The only way you will accept proof that Hell is real is for you to find yourself unable to get out of the fire and unable to escape consciousness. That's what you are demanding and it's what you are going to get. You want proof that God is not good to you, and the only place where you can really have that proof is in the fire of Hell.
You're an idiot, plain and simple. I did ban you, right? Now go on and tell God to go ahead and ban you from life and see if Hell is real. Why should I care when you don't.
I do not believe that God exists, and as a general rule I tend to view myself as subjectively superior to any non-existent state. As a living organism my natural disposition is to value existence over non-existence, and so I do.
Well at least you understand the fact that you consider yourself to be as good as or better than God. By saying He does not exist, that is what you are doing.
What good is your value of existence as a living organism when you know you cannot keep yourself living?
I'm sure you believe you have the right to exist outside of Hell because you are not in it now. I'm sure you believe you are a living organism as you stated you believe, even though in reality you are a dying organism. This is the fact that most people try to pretend is not real. Your jibberish about valuing existence as a living organism is nothing but self-deception. You are a dying organism, and the only thing you get by "valuing" your existence is that YOU LOSE ALL YOUR VALUE, so by your system of belief everything you do and say is a waste and worthless.
Again, all you are doing is committing a slow suicide and by rejecting Jesus Christ who is God who died in your place and rose from the dead bodily offering you forgiveness and eternal life if you will believe on Him, you are sealing your own eternal separation from God and He has no place for you in creation except for the fire of Hell if you insist on going out the way you are going in your spite of God.
Well at least you understand the fact that you consider yourself to be as good as or better than God. By saying He does not exist, that is what you are doing.
That is more or less what I just said, yes.
What good is your value of existence as a living organism when you know you cannot keep yourself living?
It is of only subjective value to myself, and when I am no longer living it will have no value at all because I will not exist to project that value. This does not bother me in the slightest.
I'm sure you believe you have the right to exist outside of Hell because you are not in it now.
I do not actually believe in rights. Nor do I believe in Hell. Therefore, even if I did believe in rights there would be no reason for me to believe I have a right not to be somewhere that I do not believe exists. You are failing to view my perspective independent of your own frame of reference, again.
I'm sure you believe you are a living organism as you stated you believe, even though in reality you are a dying organism. This is the fact that most people try to pretend is not real.
I specifically recognized that I am a living organism; that does not mean I do not also view myself as a dying organism. Of course I am. Most people do try to avoid that reality, many of them through religious beliefs that extend them life after death (e.g. you).
Your jibberish about valuing existence as a living organism is nothing but self-deception. You are a dying organism, and the only thing you get by "valuing" your existence is that YOU LOSE ALL YOUR VALUE, so by your system of belief everything you do and say is a waste and worthless.
As stated already, I entirely agree that when I die my life will have had no value or purpose. You are obviously upset by that prospect; I am quite reconciled to it.
Again, all you are doing is committing a slow suicide and by rejecting Jesus Christ who is God who died in your place and rose from the dead bodily offering you forgiveness and eternal life if you will believe on Him, you are sealing your own eternal separation from God and He has no place for you in creation except for the fire of Hell if you insist on going out the way you are going in your spite of God.
And, again, you still have not substantiated any of these claims. The most evident explanation for this repeated failure is that you cannot prove the reality of your God or his Hell, anymore than you can prove that I would go to this supposed Hell due to my beliefs (which are indifferent, not spiteful, by the way).
How are you going to prove that you will not exist? When will you submit proof of your non-existence? I know you did not exist before you existed, but I do not know you will cease to exist as you say you will. I think you are looney toons, drinking death as if it gets you out of suffering.
you are indifferent out of spite and only trying to fool yourself. It is not my job to prove God is there and Hell is real. You are going to find out, aren't you? Go on and do what you are doing and enjoy yourself while you can. You and your vain philosophies bore me......it's sad to watch you boring yourself to death with your vanity.
The only way you will accept proof that Hell is real is for you to find yourself unable to get out of the fire and unable to escape consciousness. That's what you are demanding and it's what you are going to get. You want proof that God is not good to you, and the only place where you can really have that proof is in the fire of Hell.
The only way you will accept proof that Hell is real is for you to find yourself unable to get out of the fire and unable to escape consciousness. That's what you are demanding and it's what you are going to get. You want proof that God is not good to you, and the only place where you can really have that proof is in the fire of Hell.
Again, all you are doing is committing a slow suicide and by rejecting Jesus Christ who is God who died in your place and rose from the dead bodily offering you forgiveness and eternal life if you will believe on Him, you are sealing your own eternal separation from God and He has no place for you in creation except for the fire of Hell if you insist on going out the way you are going in your spite of God.
This response is God offering you forgiveness, which should be your preferred response but the only response you are accepting is for your demand of proof that Hell is real, and the only way you will accept that proof is to wake up in the fire of Hell. You're an idiot, sorry.
The only way you will accept proof that Hell is real is for you to find yourself unable to get out of the fire and unable to escape consciousness. That's what you are demanding and it's what you are going to get. You want proof that God is not good to you, and the only place where you can really have that proof is in the fire of Hell.
