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Debate Score:15
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Here is the level of trash that the left wing media is

AP FACT CHECK: Trump claims rising suicides if US stays shut


WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump is making a baseless claim of surging suicides if the U.S. economy remains mostly shut due to the spread of the coronavirus. There’s no evidence that suicides will rise dramatically, let alone surpass potential coronavirus deaths. 

https://apnews.com/34f0d353e3cf9b507bed8815ff25b21b

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Bronto fact checks the "fact check".

Roy was one of at least 40,000 Americans who took their own lives that year and the next, the two-year span that suicide rate spiked to its highest recorded level ever: more than 150 per 1 million annually. They are forgotten people, mostly men, and mostly brushed out of existence by a generation preoccupied by World War II and the post-war boom.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/279961/

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I would think during times of unemployment and financial stress, suicides would rise.

Here are studies that show a correlation:

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/1331677X.2018.1484788

http://theconversation.com/bad-economic-news-increases-suicide-rates-new-research-117228

There are many more sources, but I think these will do.

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I would think during times of unemployment and financial stress, suicides would rise.

That's really interesting. But I would think that during times of a viral epidemic, people who don't take the necessary precautions are at significantly greater risk of both catching a virus and spreading it to others. Here are studies that show a correlation:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics

https://www.khanacademy.org/math/statistics-probability

But you just keep on moaning about imaginary suicides you heartless little twit.

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1) AP isn't "left wing media". It is one of the two or three most neutral and reliable news sources on the entire planet and it has never failed a fact check.

2) They are correct. The claim is baseless. The excerpt you posted doesn't have anything to do with Coronavirus.

3) You're an idiot.

Side: Fakest of fake news
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Newsflash Nom. Left of center means left wing media.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mediabiasfactcheck.com/associated-press/ ?amp

Side: Trash upon more trash
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and it has never failed a fact check.

It literally just failed this fact check. It says there's no evidence. Then I showed evidence from the Great Depression.

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It's not baseless at all. Studies show a strong correlation with higher unemployment and higher suicide rates.

Here ya go, Eskimo:

http://theconversation.com/bad-economic-news-increases-suicide-rates-new-research-117228

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/feb/11/unemployment-causes-45000-suicides-a-year-worldwide-finds-study

That was easy and don't YOU feel like an idiot?

You're welome.

Side: Trash upon more trash
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It's not baseless at all. Studies show a strong correlation with higher unemployment and higher suicide rates.

We are in the middle of a global viral epidemic you stupid little twerp. And you are both cherry-picking and exaggerating research while purposefully ignoring contradictory research:-

Previous studies on socio-economic determinants of suicide found positive, negative or no association between unemployment and suicide (see Chen et al., 2012; DeFina & Hannon, 2015; and Luo et al., 2011 and references therein for details)

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/1331677X.2018.1484788

You are a stupid goddamned moron and that is just a fact. A hypothetical relationship between unemployment and suicide is not a good reason to wipe out millions of people with a virus you catastrophically insane little berk.

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That was easy and don't YOU feel like an idiot?

It was easy because you ignored all the research which contradicts your retarded narrative about it being a good idea to spread a deadly virus all over the planet.

And no, I don't feel like an idiot. I feel like you need psychiatric help, is what I feel like.

Happiness doesn't depend on having a job, study finds

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/sep/19/unemployment-happiness-study

You are so goddamned bent and corrupt it makes me want to hurl my dinner everywhere. You literally just ignore or omit everything you don't like the sound of. Scumbag.

Side: Fakest of fake news