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Hi I'm new here, and I want to sharre the word of JESUS with you!

My name is Chad, I'm a youth pastor for a local group of middle school believers. I see a lot of kids come to JESUS every day and for that I am blessed! I'm here to share my opinions and convince some heathens (no offense) that everyone can come to JESUS! Please PM me if you want to know about my work or want to learn about your purpose in life.

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John 3:16

New International Version (NIV)

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

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foil7(346) Disputed
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Austin 3:16 says

I just kicked your ass.

Now shut up. God is not real.

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SaintWithin(23) Disputed
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I'm sory to see that the devil has gotten within your spirit and turned you way from GOD. You are blaspheming by lying about the bible like that, I hope you know that.

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Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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Your profanity is repulsive and you expect me to be warm fuzzy toward you? If I were your father, the nicest thing I could do for you is to take you out in the garage, hand you from the ceiling by your feet, and wash your mouth out with soap....after I gave you a good whooping. You want nice? Show respect.

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The devil is alive in you. 666

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Why do I think you are a mocker?............................................................The NIV is an evil perversion of the word of God, and for some reason I think you are a fake, a mocker.

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SaintWithin(23) Clarified
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All versions of the bible are welcome at my bible study, I don't discourage the kids from finding the Lord in any way, that would be me interfering with God's plan. I personally prefer King James, but have had to read through a few youth bibles so I can communicate beter with my group.

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Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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There is one English version of the Bible or there is no English Bible. One of them is God's word or none of them are God's word. If they are all versions, they all are different, so they must all be wrong. You are a heretic in this issue, and I think your just a complete fake anyways. You'll get tired of your stupidity soon enough.

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Amarel(5137) Clarified
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What makes the NIV worse than any other translation? None of them say exactly what the original text said.

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Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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How do you know? Can you provide evidence? Can you show me the originals so I can compare the King James Bible to the originals? I have never looked at the originals myself, please send me a link or something where I can see the originals to verify your assertion that all Bibles are wrong.

http://jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/NIV/why.htm

You say you are saved. Can you tell me why you got saved, how it happened, and how you know you are saved? I am more than happy to answer these questions for anybody who asks, and I often tell the answers because I want everybody else to know the answers for themselves as I know for myself to the honor and glory of the One who saved me.

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Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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http://jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/NIV/why.htm

You say you are saved. Can you tell me why you got saved, how it happened, and how you know you are saved? I am more than happy to answer these questions for anybody who asks, and I often tell the answers because I want everybody else to know the answers for themselves as I know for myself to the honor and glory of the One who saved me.

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foil7(346) Disputed
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This is exactly why you are fake and you are a mocker. Does it matter which form of Bible people use?

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Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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If you believe God does not care about you and you cannot be saved from Hell, no it does not matter to you what God's word is because you are going to burn in Hell forever and you don't care.

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Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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God's word cannot be changed anymore than I can change your word and then say it's your word after I have changed it. There is one English translation, the King James Bible. All other books which pretend to be the Bible are fakes. God cares about His word the same as you care about your word and don't want me changing it into my own version which would be fraud if I made my own version of your word and claimed it is your word.

You're such a jerk toward me lately I don't know why I bother being nice enough to try to get you to understand the truth.

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Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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Yes it matters if you use fake English Bibles or the real Bible and here is a brief summary of why............modern translations are based on the work of two nineteenth century Greek scholars from England--B. F. Westcott and F. J. A. Hort. Westcott and Hort, who were deeply involved in the occult, hated the Textus Receptus Greek text, from which the King James Bible was translated, so they conjured up THEIR OWN Greek text. This Westcott and Hort Greek text was based primarily on two very corrupt fourth century ROMAN CATHOLIC manuscripts: Codex Vaticanus (discovered in the Pope's library in 1481) and Sinaiticus (discovered in 1859 in a trash can at St. Catherine's monastery on Mt. Sinai). These are usually the "older" and "better" manuscripts that we keep hearing so much about. These manuscripts support most of the attacks in the new versions.

The Vaticanus is considered to be the most authoritative, although it is responsible for over thirty-six thousand changes that appear today in the new versions. This perverted manuscript contains the books of the pagan Apocrypha, which are not scripture; it omits the pastoral epistles (I Timothy through Titus), the Book of Revelation, and it cuts off the Book of Hebrews at Hebrews 9:14 (a very convenient stopping point for the Catholic Church, since God forbids their priesthood in Hebrews 10!). The attacks on the word of God found in these manuscripts originated in Alexandria, Egypt with the deceitful work of such pagan Greek "scholars" as Origen and Clement of Alexandria. Then in 313 A.D. the Roman emperor Constantine ordered fifty copies of "the Bible" from Eusebius, the Bishop of Caesaria. Eusebius, being a devout student of Origen's work, chose to send him manuscripts filled with Alexandrian corruption, rather than sending him the true word of God in the SYRIAN text from Antioch, Syria. So the corrupt Alexandrian text (also called the "Egyptian" or "Hesychian" type text) found it's way into the Vatican manuscript, then eventually into the Westcott and Hort Greek Text, and finally into the new "Bible" versions in your local "Christian" bookstore. Therefore, when you hear or read of someone "correcting" the King James Bible with "older" or "more authoritative" manuscripts, you are simply hearing someone trying to use a ROMAN CATHOLIC text to overthrow the God-honored text of the Protestant Reformation and the great revivals. God has never honored this corrupt text and He never will.

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Troll!

Anybody who uses the word heathens is either a fake or a troll. I'm a Christian so I know when I smell rat. And...Chad? Really? Are you a hanging Chad?

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SaintWithin(23) Disputed
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You have no reason to attck me like this! Yes my name is chad, it's common here in the states I don't know where you come from but I don't really care

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Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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You come on here with a copy cat screen name mixing my name and icon with those of From Within, saying "I'm new here", and then you whine about how me and From Within gave you a hard time, proving you are not new and proving you are a liar. You give me no reason to say sorry for anything I have said, as far as I can tell there is no good reason for me to believe anything you say. To start with, you need to admit what your previous screenname was before you adopted this insulting and abusive parody screenname mix of mine From Within's names.

If you can be honest on this point, I can begin to give you some benefit of doubt. Until then, I have to believe you are a complete fake.

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Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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Demon Hunter is in a cult and practices witchcraft. Don't pay much attention to him.

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Worldliness Is Prevalent In Foursquare Churches

Pastor Wayne Cordeiro pastors the largest Foursquare Church at the New Hope Christian Fellowship in Honolulu, Hawaii. Cordeiro is a member of The Foursquare Church. Every Sunday about 3,000 people listen from the internet to the church service.

They have about 14,500 people in attendance every Sunday at the church. Foursquare Churches teach about morals, and I've heard some great preaching against sin by Wayne Cordeiro; yet the church's music is so worldly and carnal, and the women dress immodestly (most wearing slacks and pants). Pastors need to call sin by name for this very reason. Pastor Cordeiro preaches against immorality, while his church congregation remains worldly.

Here's a video from their church that shows just how worldly they are. Ironically the sermon by Pastor Wayne Cordeiro is titled, “THE NEW MORALITY.” What a contradiction!!! The church is as worldly as can be, singing Marvin Gaye's Mercy, Mercy Me! (May 15, 2012 during the church service). This is just evil. The disco floor doesn't belong anywhere, let alone in a church. What heathens! The women are all wearing tight pants, singing like heathens, serving the Devil. SHAME ON MINISTER WAYNE CORDEIRO AND THE NEW HOPE CHRISTIAN FELLOWSHIP CHURCH.

They're not behaving like Christians. What a joke! What a sad joke! What a joke that their pastor is preaching on “the new morality” after some hussy sings such a worldly song as Marvin Gaye's “Mercy Me!” I wouldn't have believed it unless I had heard it. The New Hope Christian Fellowship church is worldly and you shouldn't attend there until they start behaving like Christians should. Listen to some of the sermons and you'll hear and see what I mean. Their singing is like a disco nightclub with thundering drums, screeching electric guitars and singers with sensual inflections in their voice. Religious Rock music is of the Devil, bringing the world into the church.

The Foursquare Church is of the Devil. As the church is becoming more worldly, so is the world becoming more churchy. Jesus' would have been as upset today over worldly entertainment in our churches as He was 2000 years ago over ministers who turned God's house into a den of thieves, which is certainly the situation today all across the world.

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Oh christ on a cracker not another christian fuck.

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SaintWithin(23) Disputed
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You liberals are always so closed minded, afraid of the TRUTH! I'm banning you because you didn't come here to open up your heart, but to pass judgement, and only God reserves that right.

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Amarel(5137) Disputed
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We must all make judgments on a daily basis. When in debate we must then defend those judgements.

You came to a debate site to spread your message and you are looking for open minds and open hearts. Are you open to new ideas? Might I change your mind?

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That is funny. When you have judged the LGBT+ community this entire time. Hypercritical idiot. Why don't you use the same things you preach in your life?

And you open your heart up to people when exactly? You judge the sex life you have dreamed up of, you judge my sexuality, you judge my religious views.

What have you ever said that did not have 1 bit of judgement in it?

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LadyLinkstar(415) Clarified
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This is saintnows failed attempt at having a alternate account. I guess he really is missing slapshot.

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I think your part right,, its a sock puppet account by a current member, maybe Artrag but not Saint or FromWithjin. They wouldn't have used their own names. My money is on Artdrag since a prime tactic of an offender in anything is to accuse others of doing what you do and try to get away with. Artgag has even accused ME of being a atheist sock puppet! which makes no sense to me since why bother?

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Yes it is. the banning mother fucker created a duplicate account. And i am reporting it

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HAHAHA. That i have to laugh at. Don't worry about this fake bitch

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Saintnow and Fromwithin are both wackos. One overtly religious and one is super right wing crazy. Now we have Saintwithin? Thats too much of a coincidence. Pretty sure we're dealing with just one troll.

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You realise this is a debate site. right?

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Really? You false accuse me of being a sock puppet and can't spot this fake account? I womder if this is because itsz you and think that talking to your own creation will throw us off the scent? Food for thought.

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I was considering saying welcome. You're entitled to your view and to express them on a debate website.

However, your name is too similar to Saintnow and you've already banned your first respondent on your first debate so I think now you are just a fake second avatar for some other member of the site - such as Saintnow.

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SaintWithin(23) Disputed
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Saintnow has only been hostile tward me, him and fromwithin, Where I come from we are more accepting of ther denominational christians

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Why did you choose to make your name a combo of both of their names? Out of curiosity

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Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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I would have banned you by now for being a punk........and a very stupid punk thinking this pitiful copycat is me

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This low Saintnow, but hilarious. We are not idiots here. I just sit here at home laughing at this failed attempt.

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Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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If you think this idiot "SaintWithin" is me, then you are a bigger idiot that the idiot who invented this childish way of trying to make me and From Within look bad....and if you think me and From Within are the same person, you're an idiot........but you never did impress me as being one of the brighter bulbs in the chandelier.

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What denomination are you Saintwithin? What denomination are you Saintnow?

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I teach in a foursquare church. We are tolerant of many denominations and make an point to emphasize the work of christ

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Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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I"m a child of God, property of God bought and paid for by the blood of Jesus Christ. And I consider foursquare church to be heretic.

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Plutarch(13) Disputed
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Funny... so funny, as if Jesus would say to someone who was Lutheran or Baptist "Oh you're a baptist, go to hell, wrong interpretation of the bible!"

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Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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Jack Hayford (born 1934) is the hyper-charismatic pastor of The Church on the Way, The First Foursquare Church of Van Nuys, California. Hayford started the church in 1969 with 18 people; it is now the largest Foursquare Church (Pentecostal) in the U.S. -- about 9,000 members (of which about 80% speak in tongues as a prayer language, according to Hayford) with weekly attendance between 8,500 and 10,000. Hayford promotes the "four-square" doctrines of Pentecostalism -- that Jesus is Savior, Baptizer with the Holy Spirit, Healer, and Coming King. He also teaches the false doctrine that healing is promised in the atonement (Charisma, June 1992).

Pat Boone is an elder in Hayford's church, and Trinity Broadcasting Network's (TBN) heretical founders, Paul and Jan Crouch, are members. Hayford has authored more than two dozen books, and is also a prolific "hymn" writer, composing more than 400 popular charismatic "gospel" songs, including "Majesty" (which promotes the false charismatic "Kingdom Now" philosophy in which Christians are thought to be able to exercise kingdom authority over sickness and the devil in this present hour).

Hayford's teaching can be heard nationwide through his "Living Way" radio and television ministries. The half-hour weekday radio program was started in 1981 (originally titled, "FreeWay") and is now heard in over 40 states and in several foreign countries. In 1989, Living Way began a Sunday morning "live" broadcast of the church services from The Church On The Way. The now one-hour Sunday television program was started in 1977 and is seen in all 50 states on TBN (as well as in Canada and South Africa). Also on its 24 acre campus, the Church on the Way operates The King's College, The King's Seminary, and the Jack W. Hayford School of Pastoral Nurture.

Hayford writes in A Man's Worship and Witness (p. 80) that since the inception of The Church on the Way 25 years ago, over 40,000 "decisions for Christ" have been made at his church, more than 30 churches have been planted elsewhere, and over 100 pastors and church leaders have gone out to serve in other places. Also, Hayford claims to have given over $20 million to "serve human needs and spread the Gospel" throughout the world.

- Foursquare was founded in 1923 by flamboyant, twice-divorced Pentecostal female preacher Aimee Semple McPherson. (In a 1990 sermon about McPherson's ministry, Hayford defended her on the grounds that "she certainly should not be viewed as one who 'bounced' from marriage to marriage," and that in his view, her ministry was validated by the fact that "a half-century later, the devil still hates her sufficiently to spray lying venom on her memory.") In a 3/93 Charisma magazine article, Hayford says Foursquare was "one of the first to fully embrace the charismatic movement as being a legitimate movement of the Spirit."

Yet, Foursquare teaches physical healing in the atonement, "Spirit-slaying," spiritual warfare/demon-deliverance, tongues-speaking, signs & wonders evangelism, extra-revelatory prophecy, etc., etc. In the face of mounting criticism, Hayford now admits to a more flexible attitude. In his latest book, he also refrains from demanding tongues as a proof of Spirit baptism, and instead presents "spiritual language" as a "divine and desirable provision to assist every believer ..." [still error though]. (Reported in the 8/17/92, Christianity Today; the 3/15/93, Calvary Contender; and the 3/8/93, Christian News.)

- Evidence abounds of Hayford's hyper-charismatic, ecumenical, and occultic tendencies: (Reported in the 11/1/89 and 9/15/91, Calvary Contenders; and the 12/91, CIB Bulletin.)

(a) Hayford spoke at the 1989 Billy Graham/Lausanne II conference (with John Wimber, David Yonggi Cho, and Dick Eastman), and has appeared at other ecumenical events such as Robert Schuller "success" conferences. [Hayford also endorsed Schuller's 1996 autobiography -- Prayer: My Soul's Adventure With God.]

(b) In 10/91, Hayford visited Sydney, Australia with John Wimber (the "signs & wonders," Church Growth, Power Evangelism, Vineyard Movement founder and leader who died in 1997) to hold a "holiness conference" (a number of Catholic priests also spoke at the conference).

(c) In the 10/91 issue of Charisma magazine, Hayford relates a vision of seeing Jesus seated in heaven and then rising from the throne. Hayford states: "As the anointing caught in the folds of His garments, it began to splash out and fall over the church." Jesus then supposedly said, "I am beginning to rise now in preparation for my second coming. Those who will rise with me will share in this double portion of anointing."

(d) Hayford praised Richard Foster for his efforts in bringing together all the streams of the church. (Foster is the head of Renovaré, an international ecumenical organization that espouses the use of guided imagery and visualization as means of obtaining "personal spiritual renewal.")

Charismatic Bible Ministries (CBM) was founded in 1986 by hyper-charismatic Oral Roberts. Jack Hayford was one of the original officers and trustees of CBM. (Others included such hyper-charismatics as Richard Roberts, Kenneth Copeland, David Yonggi Cho, Charles Capps, Morris Cerullo, Paul Crouch, Kenneth Hagin, Benny Hinn, Charles and Frances Hunter, Robert Tilton, Casey Treat, John Osteen, Earl Paulk, Fred K.C. Price, Tommy Reid, Stephen Strang, and Lester Sumrall.) CBM conducts leadership conferences for its charismatic coalition, many of whom espouse dominion theology tenets. CBM's slogan is "Love and Unity through Signs and Wonders." When people look to signs and wonders to produce love and unity, they will find themselves united with everything that appears miraculous regardless of the source (Vengeance is Ours, pp. 125-127).

Paul Crouch, the founder of the blasphemous Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN), is a member in good standing at the Hayford-pastored Church on the Way. Crouch publishes the monthly newsletter Praise the Lord . I think it's fair to assume that Hayford is in agreement with Crouch's theology, or else as his pastor, Hayford would correct Crouch and discipline him if necessary. The following are quotes from the 3/93 Praise the Lord newsletter: (All emphases in the original.)

(a) "I love a good fight! ... who the REAL enemy is! ... the heretic hunters [e.g., Martin Bobgan] ... searching endlessly for some new flaw in doctrine, picking, picking, picking some new splinter of error from the eyes ..."

(b) "... the many documented miracles under Kathryn Kuhlman's ministry and, of course, Benny Hinn's present-day ministry. ... if there is no power -- no healings -- no miracles in a church or ministry, the only thing left to do is to develop a new theology to justify their [the "heretic hunters"] pitiful, spiritually barren lives and ministry!" [Kuhlman was one of the first of many "stage show healers," in effect, blazing the trail for the Benny Hinn's and Oral Roberts of today.]

(c) "If miracles really did cease at 90 A.D. ... the heretic hunters were right! If we are not 'little Gods,' we will apologize to you in front of ten thousand times ten thousand before the Crystal Sea!" [Hayford has taught the "little gods" heresy himself, specifically in a message first recorded in 1979 (titled "Marching Against Mammon") and rebroadcast on a on a 10/2/86 Living Way radio program.]

(d) "A host of evil spirits ... responsible for much, if not most, of the personal difficulties, spiritual pressures and aggravated forms of evil that characterize our modern social order. ... this constant and fiendish disruption of the human social order is explained only by the mass activity behind the scenes of a vast, well organized host of wicked spirits under the control of their master prince. ... When will YOU take back everything Satan has stolen from you by bluff, bluster, lying and deceit? ... Say it with me -- 'Satan, I bind YOUR EVIL WORKS in Jesus' name.' Say it with me, 'I claim my healing, in Jesus' name; I take back what is mine, in Jesus' name!'" ["Name-It-and-Claim-It"/demon-deliverance].

(e) "If and when we finally lay down these petty doctrinal and traditional differences and JOIN TOGETHER as an awesome UNITED body and force, all hell will finally retreat into the abyss, and, together, we will bring back the king! ... When will we realize that the enforcement of Christ's Victory is UP TO US? " [Dominion Now theology].

(f) "Some of you have, indeed, grasped this truth and victory -- Glory! Some of you have repossessed your rightful ownership and possessions. ... Praise the Lord, David's God is teaching our hands to war too! Soon our enemy will be destroyed! Soon our enemy will have to yield even his remaining strongholds. Together, we are: 'Destroying the works of the Devil' -- just as Jesus commanded us to do." [Charismatic spiritual warfare]

Hayford is an endorser/participant in the National Evangelistic Census (NEC), a Kingwood, Texas charismatic/ecumenical ministry to "turn the nation back to God by winning our city to Jesus." NEC sponsors an annual one day "census"/global neighborhood survey where teams of two go door-to-door asking questions from a form and presenting the "gospel"; an NEC brochure predicts: "The angels in heaven will be shouting when the goal of 25 million souls are reported won to Jesus in one day!" (Among other endorsers are the Evangelical Free Church of America, Youth With a Mission, Campus Crusade for Christ, and A.D. 2000 & Beyond Movement, as well as charismatic-loonies John Osteen, John Hagee, Charles and Frances Hunter, Frederick K.C. Price, Morris Cerullo, Marilyn Hickey, Dick Eastman, and Richard Roberts.)

READ MORE: Jack Hayford - General Teachings/Activities

I wouldn't give you a dime for all the Charismatics in the world. They are a corrupted bunch, of the likes of Benny Hinn, Bill Hamon, Pat Roberson, Creflo Dollar, Oral Roberts, Peter Popoff and countless more.

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Oh boy, just what we need- another holy-roller, bible-thumping nut job. We just can't get enough of that here.

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i believe this account is saintnow but the within is comes from fromwithin

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This is a debate site not a religious statements site. You wanna go open up your heart? Go to Church. There are other religions here and you talk like everyone here is your religion. They are not.

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Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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Wow, how many cranky pills did you eat this morning?.........................

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Oh joy. Another insane person. You do realize that you're a walking cliche, right?

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