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Yay! We're all going to die.
Debate Score:116
Arguments:155
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Hillary to run for president: What say you?

Yay!

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We're all going to die.

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3 points

Wasn't it inevitable...?

Hillary has been President in waiting as a Democrat nominee for a long time standing on the side stage biding her time for the opportunity and she is not going to waste it.

Does she have much opposition...?

Will she get the nomination...?

Is it a forgone conclusion....?

Will she win the female vote across the US...

Will she be the first female President ....?

There is a lot riding on this for her and the Democrats and it will be interesting watching the games people will play to see who is on the way to the oval office.

Side: Yay!
JustIgnoreMe(4290) Clarified
2 points

Wasn't it inevitable...?

Well, very likely at least. If Elizabeth Warren ran this time, she very likely would have pushed Hillary out and after losing 2 primaries and getting 16 years older Hillary might not have run in the future.

Hillary has been President in waiting as a Democrat nominee for a long time standing on the side stage biding her time for the opportunity and she is not going to waste it.

Indeed

Does she have much opposition...?

Nope

Will she get the nomination...?

Yep

Is it a forgone conclusion....?

Not exactly, but close

Will she win the female vote across the US...

Highly likely

Will she be the first female President ....?

I actually give her slightly less than 50/50 chance at the moment. She just hasn't come across as charismatic in the past and it isn't something people get intrinsically much better at over time.

Side: Yay!
flewk(1193) Disputed
1 point

Well, very likely at least. If Elizabeth Warren ran this time, she very likely would have pushed Hillary out and after losing 2 primaries and getting 16 years older Hillary might not have run in the future.

There is no possible way for Warren to displace Hilary, short of murder. Even then, there are many Democrats ahead of her on the list.

Hilary is one of the most well known politicians in the US, certainly more well known than any of the Republican candidates, and definitely more well known than Warren. People are habitual creatures. They will choose the familiar name over some ivy league professor with progressive ideas.

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While I am not an American, nor am I in general particularly fond of the country to say the least, I would be so happy to see it make a leap by progressing to having a female President, smashing patriarchy.

Side: Yay!
daver(1771) Disputed
3 points

Right, lets not look for qualifications, character, or experience, just someone with no dick!

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1 point

I see your point but it's absolutely disgusting that you've haven't had a female head of state yet. It just shows how behind us (the UK) with social progression you are.

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JustIgnoreMe(4290) Clarified
1 point

Or, both ground-breaking AND qualified...

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2 points

As an open minded person who believes in change I believe that a woman can and will be president. A persons gender won't tell you what kind of leader they will be. She has a good head on her shoulders it seems. I'm very much in favor positive change. Her win will inspire hope to women and help create equality.

Side: Yay!
1 point

I think we'd sooner die with a radical right wing republican president... The majority of republican candidates don't even believe climate change is a real thing. They'd increase military spending, fight against LGBT equality, fight against gender issues, and set us backwards 20 years. Hillary might not be the best, but electing her doesn't make me fear for the proceeding 4 years.

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1 point

Hilary for president is great mostly because if your a african american you should be happy cause that's history again for the second time in a row first its the first african american president now its first african american female president think guys history again if were all gonna die list reasons why think guys history two times in a row

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1 point

Hilary for president is great mostly because if your a African American you should be happy cause that's history again for the second time in a row first its the first African American president now its first African American female president think guys history again if were all gonna die list reasons why think guys history two times in a row

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I think Hillary would make a great President. She has the political experience.

Side: Yay!
4 points

Hillary is a step down from even Obama. His blundering ineptness on the world stage only displays his amateur standing among world leaders. Hillary, on the other hand is as cunning as Putin. Equally willing to lie and practice deceit for her own personal gain. Her arrogance and since of entitlement does not go over well with the public. Voters look at her record and find good cause to not trust her to be open and honest. She wants to address income inequality (Code for wealth redistribution) revealing her liberal disdain for the fundamentals of capitalism. We already have a President that enjoys the prestige and not the job. IMO we don't need another.

I want to be president because I'm a woman -or- I want to be president because its finally my turn, are her true feelings. Over the next weeks she will try to be seen as the tireless champion of the beleaguered middle class. However her inherent lust for the office she feels she deserves, will overshadow attempts to appear concerned for the average American.

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I agree with you overall.

I also feel that it is very likely that Hillary will be elected, and by no accident. I don't believe Obama was elected by accident either. I hate to post conspiracy theories, but I'm of the mind that a poorly-suited black man (Obama) was intentionally put forth as a candidate and intentionally bankrolled and marketed to success, and that the same will happen to Hillary as a poorly-suited white woman. Neither is poorly-suited due to their sex or race, they are poorly-suited due to their individual strengths and weaknesses as well as their personal characters.

Unfortunately, in the eyes of many, Obama has effectively "proven" that black people make poor presidents, just as Hillary will effectively "prove" that women make poor presidents, despite the fact that these traits are ultimately irrelevant.

Like I said- I hate to post conspiracy theories, and I have nothing in the way of proof, but I strongly feel that there is an intentional effort going on to reinforce the idea that the presidency is an office for white men, based on the proclivity of the general public to make unwarranted assumptions. As a disclaimer, the unwarranted assumption here may well be mine.

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JustIgnoreMe(4290) Clarified
2 points

intentionally bankrolled and marketed to success

All candidates are "bankrolled and marketed" - for whom and what purpose do you think Obama/Hillary are to serve?

Obama has effectively "proven" that black people make poor presidents

Not to anyone who wasn't already predisposed to the idea. The statement wouldn't even make sense to someone who isn't bigoted - was George W. "bankrolled and marketed to success" to prove that all white men make terrible presidents?

If anything I see the opposite trend - many of the conservatives I talk to make sure to mention how much they would like to see Ben Carson, Condoleezza Rice, Colin Powell, etc. (even Herman Cain) become President in order to insist that their preference is an ideological one.

While money is becoming harder to track, I think there was still enough tracibility of Obama donor money in 2008 to be able to see if there was some large amounts given by conservatives to his campaign.

Moreover, I can and will argue anywhere that he isn't a bad president though there are certainly people with interest in making it seem so.

Side: Yay!
daver(1771) Clarified
1 point

I think both Obama and Hillary are poorly suited to the toughest job in the world, but primarily because of their ideology. The one that allows any action necessary in pursuit of a socialist utopia. You have your concerns about a hidden wizard behind the curtain, pulling the strings to fundamentally transform our nation, and I wonder as well.

Yes black, not black, woman, man are truly irrelevant factors. What Obama has shown is that advocates for fundamentally transforming America, come in all colors, and in the case of Hillary both sexes.

I'm trying to be positive about the selection of our next leader, but as you say there seems a great design in the works that may well again pull us farther down the path to an imaginary socialist utopia, or what ever it is they call their dream today.

I strongly feel that there is an intentional effort going on to reinforce the idea that the presidency is an office for white men

Hmmm. I have a strong feeling that our enemies stand among us, and patiently drag down our constitution, one amendment at a time and one presidential memorandum at a time. But thats just my opinion.

Here is the difference between Obama and Hillary. Obama was a masterful speaker and a great campaigner, while Hillary is not.

Sooooo maybe we will take a turn for the better!

Side: Yay!
GenericName(3430) Clarified
1 point

I fail to see how the situation you are describing is a conspiracy. It is simply a form of party politics. The people who run the Democratic Party knew that a well-spoken African American would lead to a strong voter turn out from the black community, and be viewed as a "historical" candidate, one very likely to develop a strong following, regardless of his actual merits. The same people see the same situation for Hillary, and in both cases, they are right. Both candidates are "historic" and in a very real sense unprecedented, and that has political value in and of itself. It is unfortunate, for the reasons that you stated, and could very well backfire, but not against the party itself, and so they would have very little reason to care.

Yet another reason why we should do away with our two party system, but I suppose that is a different topic all together.

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YouTube Clarified
1 point

So what did bush prove? That white men make the worst presidents?

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Octothorpe(4) Disputed
1 point

You are a moron who based your entire argument on a series of fears and outdated beliefs without a tendril of fact or reliable sources. You come off as prejudiced and misogynistic.

Side: Yay!
2 points

Hilary "Women have always been the primary victims of war" Clinton?

Ha

Ha

Ha

Ha

No.

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JustIgnoreMe(4290) Clarified
4 points

Here is a link to the full speech for those interested.

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2 points

"We're all going to die". I agree, though most of us will likely die of something other than Hillary becoming president.

Hillary, Cruz, Paul, Warren... I don't think it matters as much as most. Half the electorate will be alienated by whoever gets elected, and we will continue to bicker and pick each other apart. In the meantime the middle class will become extinct.

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I seriously doubt Hillary's ability ,though she has vast experience and has been quite trustworthy and efficient as per Obama's description but again I don't think she would be as good or even better as a president as Obama,by the way I'ld definitely want a republican candidate,probably the Hewlett-Packard CEO.

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JustIgnoreMe(4290) Clarified
1 point

If you think she is experienced, trustworthy and efficient what ability is it that you think she doesn't have? In what ways do you think Fiorina is more qualified?

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1 point

The Obama experiment was "meh."

Let's stop with the experiments and get down to the business of electing a "real" president.

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1 point

Every president is an experiment. Some succeed, some fail, but we are never certain how they will fair.

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1 point

If it's going to be a left wing liberal, then we have a pretty good idea.

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1 point

The illusion of choice that keeps the masses restless but too comfortable to contest the state of political affairs. Another member of the wealthy ruling political oligopoly whose practices are relatively indistinguishable from the next self-interested partisan politician. I am sure we can expect great changes.

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