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Hindu/Pagan roots of evolution

Evolutionary belief is thousands of years old and requires no scientific support.  Yet modern believers insist it is scientific.  The video here clearly in well documented form shows evolution is a religious system of belief thousands of years old taught in detail basically the same as it is taught today. 







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In all modern debate fashion which is nothing but appreciation and respect for dissenting opinions, as we enjoy the ambient warmth of the glow of our computer screens for a convivial repose to enjoy the excellent presentation of the OP subject video: For those of you motor mouths who obviously are full of something you have to spit out of your mouth in all expedience as priority over watching the subject video, here's the conclusion of the video which is very well documented from easily checked sources for those of you who enjoy education.

The Conclusion of the well researched and well documented video with its many easily confirmed reference sources:

1. The theory evolution came from the Hindu Brahmins.

2. Pantheistic evolution was passed down by Pythagoras to the Greeks.

3. Thales and his lonic school branched out from Pantheistic Evolution to Naturalistic Evolution.

4. Plato and Aristotle's evolutionary ideas were dispersed through the Alexandrian School in Egypt.

5. The ideas were followed through into the Middle Ages (Aquinas), Renaissance and into Freemasonry, where they were preserved.

6. Freemasonry and the Enlightenment had a re-birth of the philosophy.

7. Lord Monboddo and Erasmus Darwin carried the philosophy forward.

8. Charles Darwin developed the idea.

Quoting Professor Wolfgang Smith, University of Oregon:

As a scientific theory, Darwinism would have been jettisoned long ago. The point, however, is that the doctrine of evolution has swept the world, not on the strength of its scientific merits but precisely in its capacity as a Gnostic Myth. It affirms, in effect, that living beings create themselves, which is in essence a metaphysical claim...Thus, in the final analysis, evolutionism is in truth a metaphysical doctrine decked out in scientific garb. In other words, it is a scientific myth. (Smith, W., Tielhardism and the New Religion, p242)

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Atrag(5556) Clarified Banned
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For long did it take you guys to figure out that this was pasted text from the class dummy? "Appreciation" gave me a clue but by the time I read "dissenting" I was certain.

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Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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Thank you for your comments, I hope you enjoyed the video.

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Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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I thought maybe you went bonkers from hating Christians and were sent away to an insane asylum for a while

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Cartman covered this well but let me add:

1) If Hindus/Pagans indeed came up with the idea of evolution many thousands of years ago then you've only proven they've had better ideas than Christianity since before it existed.

And

2) Don't forget that the Creationism of the Bible goes back to the Jewish Old Testament, so it isn't really even a credit to Christianity but instead to Judaism.

And

3) Both Christianity and Judaism themselves borrowed or have in parallel many ideas from Pagans or from other religions. So to think a Pagan connection disproves evolution is analogous to thinking a Zoroastrian connection somehow disproves the whole branch of Abrahamic religions.

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KNHav(1957) Disputed
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Yea sure thats a fair statement on the surface.

And without comparing both objectively it would be an accurate statement.

They equally had an ancient origin with a story and details that could show observances early on.

So it can show two sets of different views possibly out of imaginations.

Or, it can show a struggle for man from the beginning.

Its easy to dismiss facts based on connection;of facts to "beliefs" and dismiss fair evaluation of it because the facts are connected to moral responsibility or response that requires weighing beyond the facts.

But is that professionally ethical? And is it ethical and responsible toward those steered by the authority of our academic fields?

Particuarly in these modern times, we have the ability to give an honest evaluation of facts, without the religious beliefs attached which is choice of the individual. But the evaluation itself should be proofessionally objective when weighing the evidence of both, not dissmissive of one because a Creator may be related to religion.

Should facts and evidence be ignored, simply based on connection to faith or religion. Or should they handle facts objectively regardless of connestions to faith or religion?

When comparing which is truely more detailed and fitting of actual process of origin, is it acceptable to ignore facts simply because they have been beliefs in religion? So do we accept less likeley facts because a biology story can be created out of working backwards from the study of an already completed, established, balanced, designed life and existence on earth within our universe?

Wheras evolution creates theory from an advanced prespective studying the interactions of existing "creation"

The Bible tells it from a prespective of explanation from the beginning, prior to observable life.

So then if the Bible turns out to have signatures that cannot be reasonably refuted, although they refute against all reason and against even the math and law of sciences they clain to ethically uphold, then shouldnt it be taken under serious observation and experimented in as objective as a biological soup mixed by intelligent design of human hands directing its process and outcome?

God created adaptation. Adaptation still is specifi of existing DNA. Selective mutation for the greater good of the species evolving has literally been debunked. Yet a whole generation swares its factual observances of authoritative scientists and educators. Who hold to any facts that could sound logical in theory, but ignore the improbability of it against all the odds of natural scientific law that says it is improbable to mathmatically ridiculous probability.

Isnt that teaching faith more so than faith with evidence and facts that give proof in logical conclusion of the Creator?

If the Bible turns out to have as much or more facts that fit, then is the silly book more of an eyewitness account dictated by the Creator?

If Intelligent design and intentional directed process had to exist in order to explain origin. And if the Bible proves to be more than tall tales?

Then pursue your own investigation of who the Creator is, and if His interaction means anything to life past, present, and future.

What if science actually woke up tomorrow and declared that a Creator was required. And they exhausted the potential of self design and proved a Creator origin?

Then how should science and educators address this in todays anti-Creator culture?

And if science and educators proved the Bible to be a document written by that Creator?

How should that be managed in this anti- Creator culture?

As sciences advance, and resources become available for evaluating it, the Bible is actually being proven as well as God of the Bible is being proven.

So if the Bible is proven, then don't educators have a responsibility to evaluate it as objectively as biology?

After all, isnt science supposed to uphold ethical practices to a professional standard to facts?

Or is anti-religion a standard that supercedes facts?

In my estimation of confirmable facts of origin, as well as the actual process that began and completed life and structure in a variety so rich, as we find in nature, with a balance that could not be achieved by a process that successfully bypassed other confirmed actual laws of science.

So on one hand we have the study of living things that have already been developed, to their own highest form then died, and since natural law is mathmatically engineered, even down to digital coding?

Which you can look at and develop a machine that would work as the cell works, as if designed more so by a mechanical engineer in precision and operation, the mechanical engineer would actually be more qualified than the biologist to reproduce the actual design, involved in collecting and assembling the parts more logically, than the biologist in a lab watching already designed life adapt and change to its environment.

Its actually more likely for a mathmatical engineer to redesign everything in our universe from the cosmos to the single celled life structure, then the biolgist chemically reproducing it.

And the most curious things to me, is we find the same patterns of design, as if coded by the same mathmatical engineer, the architect who designed the mathmatically symmetrical universe that is completely dependent on the anthropic principle of mathmatical precision of the Divine Genius that made man in His image with intelligence God calls wisdom knowledge and understanding which makes up the uniqueness of our reasoning minds.

So then we see in that same book, the reasoning mind is the battle from the beginning.

Faith is called "evidence" and those who dont live according to the evidence, deny the Creator. And "God gives them over to an unreasoning mind," "darkened by the god of this physical reality" to "live according to instinct like animals."

By only being willing to live by what we see, and seeking only after what we can taste, see, smell, and touch is to live ignoring the evidence seen of the Creator. And by doing so, choosing the fallen over the Redeemer.

The Bible has signatures that should cause real sciences who want real answers should also be consideeed with the points of evidence weighted according to their true probability. Just as they do with biology accept they ignore adding or subtracting points according to probability.

Ethical science educators and scientists should weigh anything related that has valid authentication and evidence as well objectively.

The kids today that are now are media, scientisys and educators, have dismissed curiosity, and method of evaluating based on skepticism and atheism and humanism and evolutionism. None of which have anything to do with objective study of origin.

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Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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I banned that guy for not discussing the video and trying to change the subject of the discussion. This is not supposed to be a debate about evolution, it's supposed to be about the philosophical/religious roots of evilutoin and how that root system really has not changed. Why do people have so much trouble focusing a discussion on what the discussion was created to discuss?

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KNHav(1957) Disputed
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The entire Old Testament is fullfilled in Christianity. Even the OT written by Hebrew prophets describes Messiah commin, Jews rejecting and crucifying Him, is the pre-foretold event that triggered faith as also preforetold by leaps of exponential growth, with even confirming it with the sum of "e" to the 4th decimal found in John 1: 1 which like Genesis 1: 1 also explains Creation bearing witness of creation by way of Jesus. And His purpose to save the "world."

I dont think John had forethought to make the Greek letters show advance math of "e" in the continuation of the OldT through the Messiah, of which is actually the entire basis of all the OldT, literally.

Abraham father of the nation of Israel through Isaac. Yet He also says through that same seed he and Sarah would be father and mother of " many nations"

Sounds like God purposely designed and intended exponential growth out to ALL nations.

Yet return to add back in the Jews in the end when He completes all things full circle. As pi suggests found to the 4th decimal place as "e" was, but in the Hebrew of Genesis 1: 1.

And all laguages backward and forward poiny to YHWY in the middle! As well as Jesus perched on the worlds timeline, with Jesus dating all history by what the entire OldT told of, the Messiah, Jesus.

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KNHav(1957) Disputed
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Comparatively to Zoroastrian connection.

The continuity of the Biblical text diversified over 66 authors sepated by generations and even milleniums, has merit.

As well as a reasonable purpose, and process of its unfolding design, and execution of purpose, into a fitting conclusion of the same, that makes sense as a whole.

Zoroastrian connection is purposeless, and doesnt flow from beginning to end.

Of listening to fairly score and evaluate a belief's purpose method execution and conclusion, is it complicated enough to see and evaluate a logical order and purpose within thread of its entirety?

Or, is it scattered in piece meal, with difficulty finding logical purpose surrounding the religious beliefs?

Does it show a disconnected illogical course of beliefs, lacking continuity and the connectivity between the whole of its religions beliefs?

Is it in harmony with natural law?

Is it wise regarding life and humanity, and the psychology and conscience and consciousness of mankind, applicable for every age of mankind?

Is it in logical order, foundationally built line upon line, with a solid approach in sound reasoning, describing precepts that could accurately apply scientifically within natural laws of the universe?

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Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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all this stuff if off topic, I banned that guy for starting this off topic junk.

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Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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Thank you for your comments, I hope you enjoyed the video.........did you watch it? It really is interesting showing how the great ancient philosophers developed evolution believes.........in modern evolution, they try to hide their beliefs by pretending it's scientific........and they become extremely aggressive when challenged because they are trying to avoid discussing the philosophical implications of evolution.

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Thanks for your input, I hope you enjoyed the documentary video presentation; though you seem to think that you know more than God and sound like you did not watch the video.

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JustIgnoreMe(4290) Disputed Banned
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From "Thanks for your input" to "I'm banning you" in less than an hour with no intervening post by Grenache and for the huge offense of making an analogy.

Why are you here? it certainly isn't to debate.

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Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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You might notice that I fixed the wording in the OP, thanks again for your comments and tell all your friends about this wonderful documentary which shows evolution is really not science but is an ancient philosophical belief system.

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Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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https://youtu.be/4B-CPROdwnQ

Debunking Zoroastrianism in less than 10 minutes.

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Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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I'm banning you for trying to change the discussion to Zoroastrianism. Why don't you go make your own debate about Zoroastrianism? Maybe I'll comment there.

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Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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In all modern debate fashion which is nothing but appreciation and respect for dissenting opinions, as we enjoy the ambient warmth of the glow of our computer screens for a convivial repose to enjoy the excellent presentation of the OP subject video: For those of you motor mouths who obviously are full of something you have to spit out of your mouth in all expedience as priority over watching the subject video, here's the conclusion of the video which is very well documented from easily checked sources for those of you who enjoy education.

The Conclusion of the well researched and well documented video with its many easily confirmed reference sources:

1. The theory evolution came from the Hindu Brahmins.

2. Pantheistic evolution was passed down by Pythagoras to the Greeks.

3. Thales and his lonic school branched out from Pantheistic Evolution to Naturalistic Evolution.

4. Plato and Aristotle's evolutionary ideas were dispersed through the Alexandrian School in Egypt.

5. The ideas were followed through into the Middle Ages (Aquinas), Renaissance and into Freemasonry, where they were preserved.

6. Freemasonry and the Enlightenment had a re-birth of the philosophy.

7. Lord Monboddo and Erasmus Darwin carried the philosophy forward.

8. Charles Darwin developed the idea.

Quoting Professor Wolfgang Smith, University of Oregon:

As a scientific theory, Darwinism would have been jettisoned long ago. The point, however, is that the doctrine of evolution has swept the world, not on the strength of its scientific merits but precisely in its capacity as a Gnostic Myth. It affirms, in effect, that living beings create themselves, which is in essence a metaphysical claim...Thus, in the final analysis, evolutionism is in truth a metaphysical doctrine decked out in scientific garb. In other words, it is a scientific myth. (Smith, W., Tielhardism and the New Religion, p242)

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Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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In all modern debate fashion which is nothing but appreciation and respect for dissenting opinions, as we enjoy the ambient warmth of the glow of our computer screens for a convivial repose to enjoy the excellent presentation of the OP subject video: For those of you motor mouths who obviously are full of something you have to spit out of your mouth in all expedience as priority over watching the subject video, here's the conclusion of the video which is very well documented from easily checked sources for those of you who enjoy education.

The Conclusion of the well researched and well documented video with its many easily confirmed reference sources:

1. The theory evolution came from the Hindu Brahmins.

2. Pantheistic evolution was passed down by Pythagoras to the Greeks.

3. Thales and his lonic school branched out from Pantheistic Evolution to Naturalistic Evolution.

4. Plato and Aristotle's evolutionary ideas were dispersed through the Alexandrian School in Egypt.

5. The ideas were followed through into the Middle Ages (Aquinas), Renaissance and into Freemasonry, where they were preserved.

6. Freemasonry and the Enlightenment had a re-birth of the philosophy.

7. Lord Monboddo and Erasmus Darwin carried the philosophy forward.

8. Charles Darwin developed the idea.

Quoting Professor Wolfgang Smith, University of Oregon:

As a scientific theory, Darwinism would have been jettisoned long ago. The point, however, is that the doctrine of evolution has swept the world, not on the strength of its scientific merits but precisely in its capacity as a Gnostic Myth. It affirms, in effect, that living beings create themselves, which is in essence a metaphysical claim...Thus, in the final analysis, evolutionism is in truth a metaphysical doctrine decked out in scientific garb. In other words, it is a scientific myth. (Smith, W., Tielhardism and the New Religion, p242)

Put down the wine long enough to regather your senses enough so you can watch the video and get an education

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First, there is nothing inherently bad about evolution having Hindu/Pagan roots. It is really silly to dismiss stuff for having Pagan roots if you are a Christian since you would also have to dismiss Christmas.

Evolutionary belief is thousands of years old and requires no scientific support.

Science has been around as long as religion. People figuring out evolution a long time ago does not prevent it from being true. It requiring no support is a lie by you.

Yet modern believers insist it is scientific.

If we eliminate your lie that it doesn't need scientific support it is scientific.

The video here clearly in well documented form shows evolution is a system of beliefs thousands of years old taught in detail basically the same as it is taught today.

Just looking at the screenshot of the video disproves the idea of it being taught the same way as today.

Then as now, it offers the hope of man attaining a more perfect or entirely perfect, unaffected

by dying.

This offer of hope is only through religion.

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Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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In all modern debate fashion which is nothing but appreciation and respect for dissenting opinions, as we enjoy the ambient warmth of the glow of our computer screens for a convivial repose to enjoy the excellent presentation of the OP subject video: For those of you motor mouths who obviously are full of something you have to spit out of your mouth in all expedience as priority over watching the subject video, here's the conclusion of the video which is very well documented from easily checked sources for those of you who enjoy education.

The Conclusion of the well researched and well documented video with its many easily confirmed reference sources:

1. The theory evolution came from the Hindu Brahmins.

2. Pantheistic evolution was passed down by Pythagoras to the Greeks.

3. Thales and his lonic school branched out from Pantheistic Evolution to Naturalistic Evolution.

4. Plato and Aristotle's evolutionary ideas were dispersed through the Alexandrian School in Egypt.

5. The ideas were followed through into the Middle Ages (Aquinas), Renaissance and into Freemasonry, where they were preserved.

6. Freemasonry and the Enlightenment had a re-birth of the philosophy.

7. Lord Monboddo and Erasmus Darwin carried the philosophy forward.

8. Charles Darwin developed the idea.

Quoting Professor Wolfgang Smith, University of Oregon:

As a scientific theory, Darwinism would have been jettisoned long ago. The point, however, is that the doctrine of evolution has swept the world, not on the strength of its scientific merits but precisely in its capacity as a Gnostic Myth. It affirms, in effect, that living beings create themselves, which is in essence a metaphysical claim...Thus, in the final analysis, evolutionism is in truth a metaphysical doctrine decked out in scientific garb. In other words, it is a scientific myth. (Smith, W., Tielhardism and the New Religion, p242)

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KNHav(1957) Disputed
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Yea there is!

https://youtu.be/4UtOv2b60gc

http://www.unsealed.org/2012/10/the-woman-clothed-in-sun-2017.html?m=1

Fyi - The constelations even say 2017 is significant!

Mind blowing. God went from keeping mysteries hidden and sealed to opening up understanding in truck loads!

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Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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Thanks for your input, I hope you enjoyed the documentary video presentation; though you seem to think that you know more than God and sound like you did not watch the video.

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Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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You might notice that I fixed the wording in the OP, thanks again for your comments and tell all your friends about this wonderful documentary which shows evolution is really not science but is an ancient philosophical belief system.

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Cartman(18192) Disputed Banned
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You didn't remove the lies from the debate description though.

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Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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In all modern debate fashion which is nothing but appreciation and respect for dissenting opinions, as we enjoy the ambient warmth of the glow of our computer screens for a convivial repose to enjoy the excellent presentation of the OP subject video: For those of you motor mouths who obviously are full of something you have to spit out of your mouth in all expedience as priority over watching the subject video, here's the conclusion of the video which is very well documented from easily checked sources for those of you who enjoy education.

The Conclusion of the well researched and well documented video with its many easily confirmed reference sources:

1. The theory evolution came from the Hindu Brahmins.

2. Pantheistic evolution was passed down by Pythagoras to the Greeks.

3. Thales and his lonic school branched out from Pantheistic Evolution to Naturalistic Evolution.

4. Plato and Aristotle's evolutionary ideas were dispersed through the Alexandrian School in Egypt.

5. The ideas were followed through into the Middle Ages (Aquinas), Renaissance and into Freemasonry, where they were preserved.

6. Freemasonry and the Enlightenment had a re-birth of the philosophy.

7. Lord Monboddo and Erasmus Darwin carried the philosophy forward.

8. Charles Darwin developed the idea.

Quoting Professor Wolfgang Smith, University of Oregon:

As a scientific theory, Darwinism would have been jettisoned long ago. The point, however, is that the doctrine of evolution has swept the world, not on the strength of its scientific merits but precisely in its capacity as a Gnostic Myth. It affirms, in effect, that living beings create themselves, which is in essence a metaphysical claim...Thus, in the final analysis, evolutionism is in truth a metaphysical doctrine decked out in scientific garb. In other words, it is a scientific myth. (Smith, W., Tielhardism and the New Religion, p242)

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Yeah, so......both the esteemed GoCart and Grenache have already done an excellent job of shooting down your attempt to minimalise the science (YES! it IS a science!) of Evolution just because some Hindu sages may have thought of it long before Sir Darwin came along.

But you know me....I gotta toss in my two cents.

Again...just because some religious thinkers were far enough ahead of their times to posit notions that life on Earth was not created magically by some silly sky god, but rather gradually advanced in a biological and natural manner in no ways denigrates Evolution.

To think otherwise is very biased, and such opinion smacks greatly of Cherry Picking, as well as Confirmation Bias. That is to say: you have chastised Hindus for their "pagan" ways and what you call irrational beliefs, as well as their recognition of many many gods. But then, when you find that some of their thinkers were ahead of their times in the field of Biology and Cosmology, you also denigrate THAT. Seems these guys just cannot win with you.

Why?

Only because they don't worship your god. Ergo, according to you they are clueless godless sinners on their way to H E double toothpicks.

But what you are doing here is silly. So what if an ancient peoples stumbled upon an idea that later was supported by science? Does this make that science wrong? No.

It's also hypocritical. Look: you yourself often try to claim that OT bible fables have scientific veracity. Like you talk about the ark being found (it has not, btw). Or the notion that your Bronze Age Hebrews really DID know about the cosmos (they did not) and did not believe in a flat Earth. (they did). So, if your holy book stumbles across, on the very rare occasion, a fact that is indeed scientifically accurate, you laud it.

But if the poor ol' Hindus do it: you denigrate it, along with the science itself.

Sorry Saint, this argument is weak. It is also sort of counter productive for you or any other hater of Hinduism. Since it only shows that Hindu thinkers were miles ahead of Judaeo-Christian ones. And it also shows that Evolution is so obvious that even ancient theists recognized its traits.

Good day, sir.

SS

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Thanks for your input, I hope you enjoyed the documentary video presentation; though you seem to think that you know more than God and sound like you did not watch the video.

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Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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I'm sure you enjoyed the video as you love education and the video is a very well put together documentary.

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Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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You might notice that I fixed the wording in the OP, thanks again for your comments and tell all your friends about this wonderful documentary which shows evolution is really not science but is an ancient philosophical belief system which requires no tangible support.

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Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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In all modern debate fashion which is nothing but appreciation and respect for dissenting opinions, as we enjoy the ambient warmth of the glow of our computer screens for a convivial repose to enjoy the excellent presentation of the OP subject video: For those of you motor mouths who obviously are full of something you have to spit out of your mouth in all expedience as priority over watching the subject video, here's the conclusion of the video which is very well documented from easily checked sources for those of you who enjoy education.

The Conclusion of the well researched and well documented video with its many easily confirmed reference sources:

1. The theory evolution came from the Hindu Brahmins.

2. Pantheistic evolution was passed down by Pythagoras to the Greeks.

3. Thales and his lonic school branched out from Pantheistic Evolution to Naturalistic Evolution.

4. Plato and Aristotle's evolutionary ideas were dispersed through the Alexandrian School in Egypt.

5. The ideas were followed through into the Middle Ages (Aquinas), Renaissance and into Freemasonry, where they were preserved.

6. Freemasonry and the Enlightenment had a re-birth of the philosophy.

7. Lord Monboddo and Erasmus Darwin carried the philosophy forward.

8. Charles Darwin developed the idea.

Quoting Professor Wolfgang Smith, University of Oregon:

As a scientific theory, Darwinism would have been jettisoned long ago. The point, however, is that the doctrine of evolution has swept the world, not on the strength of its scientific merits but precisely in its capacity as a Gnostic Myth. It affirms, in effect, that living beings create themselves, which is in essence a metaphysical claim...Thus, in the final analysis, evolutionism is in truth a metaphysical doctrine decked out in scientific garb. In other words, it is a scientific myth. (Smith, W., Tielhardism and the New Religion, p242)

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Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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Where did Demon Hunter go? Off to play hockey or something?

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Obviously, that's because ancient Hindus were smarter than your rulers.

I don't see it as something valid to disprove their claims with.

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Saintnow(3684) Clarified
1 point

Watch the video and discuss it or take a hike, please. Do I have to ban you for running your mouth without equipping yourself for the conversation here by watching the video?

This is the only chance before I ban you..if you want to discuss things here, watch the video and discuss it's points and I'll discuss the points of the video with you. One more stupid comment proving nothing but the fact that your manners are like a rabid devil and you are banned.

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