CreateDebate


Debate Info

4
1
It is poetry!! Nah fuk dat shit
Debate Score:5
Arguments:7
Total Votes:5
More Stats

Argument Ratio

side graph
 
 It is poetry!! (4)
 
 Nah fuk dat shit (1)

Debate Creator

AlanHo(7) pic



Hip-hop = Musical poetry? or just meaningless ebonics??

It is poetry!!

Side Score: 4
VS.

Nah fuk dat shit

Side Score: 1

Most of hip-hop is pretty much both, but not all of it's meaningless.

Side: It is poetry!!
1 point

some is really good and thought about while some are just meaningless

Side: It is poetry!!
1 point

Depends on what you're listening to, but elegant language, to me, is a great way for elitist to close their minds to the beauty of various vernaculars.

Poetry isn't defined by the clear level in verbal education that the writer seems to have; it's defined by the expression the artist is making through simple words on a piece of paper. People can criticize hip-hop all they want, especially when they only cite pop-artists (yet the hipsters that hate Lil' Wayne will worship Macklemore just because he made a song about gay marriage), but there is much genius to be found in the artists that create hip-hip (production and/or lyrics). I will even say that while Macklemore is a terrible lyricist, Ryan Lewis is a pretty catchy producer. Eminem and Dr. Dre are both geniuses and pretty much changed hip-hop and rap. Eminem doesn't try to impress us with big words; in fact, he doesn't give a shit about impressing us. He expresses himself and is almost non-stop in what he provides. Dr. Dre has the ability to turn a rapper into a hip-hop artist by providing the perfect beats for these guys.

And then you have Kanye West and Tyler, The Creator whom turn their entire albums into a work of art.

Immortal Technique and Dead Prez have highly politicized lyrics and go after the system they see as corrupt and immoral.

Then again, the value I see in much of Hip-hop today (not even going to touch old school stuff) is the ability of self-expression through a creative channel. Now, I don't want people to confuse my appreciate of Ryan Lewis's catchy productions with some kind of appreciate for Macklemore's terrible pandering to the progressive, impressionable youth. I feel that Macklemore is an example of the pop music that really crushes actual political or pro-civil rights rap that has been ahead on these issues for so long. Pro-gay rap artists have been talking about the anti-gay culture that is in this country for a while and have actually been expressing their right o personal liberty, and then Macklemore comes out with a song basically saying "yo, legalize gay marriage, and fuck hip-hop and black people for being so homophobic" while making millions of dollars like an asshole. He's basically the Michael Moore of hip-hop. But don't let Macklemore deter you from political hip-hop, because there IS hip-hop, good hip-hop, that came out years earlier that has expressed something much more complex than simply saying "lol, gay marriage guyz" here and here.

Sorry about the rant.

Side: It is poetry!!
AlanHo(7) Clarified
1 point

Don't be so quick to berate Macklemore on his lyrical ability. At least he tries to incorporate more important thematic statements as opposed to just the typical ramblings of hedonism. I'm not saying I'm a huge fan of him, but at least he's making an effort to say something with more depth.

I like your ideas on hip hop. What are your thoughts on TDE and Pro ERA?

Side: It is poetry!!

Hip-Hop is good. It is not bad. The older generation always puts down what the younger generation likes.

Side: It is poetry!!

Hip-hop contains poetical techniques such as rhyme, repetition. And that could be applied to any genre of music. And poetry is more of a like a puzzle for the reader to see. To see the poets opinion and the imagery he is discussing. It might be his past or observations in daily life. In hip-hop poetry isn't relevant at all. - I really dislike rap, and I'm not saying that it is bad. (And I did make a mistake, some rappers might write poetry in their songs. But it won't confirm the whole genre as being poetic.)

Side: Nah fuk dat shit
AlanHo(7) Clarified
1 point

Lots of poetic elements are integrated into hip hop such as assonance, alliteration, themes of social issues, etc. I personally believe that hip hop is a very poetic genre, but you are correct in saying that it doesn't confirm the whole genre as poetic as there are some rappers in hip hop that prioritise catchy hooks and flow over lyricism. There are a vast amount of things to consider in hip hop, and lyricism is just one aspect of it.

Side: It is poetry!!