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Hiroshima was unjust

Hiroshima was unjust because the Japanese were close to end the war.
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The Japanese no where close to ending the war. They were like, "Bring it bitches!" and so we brought it and they were like, "WTF, you crazy ass MFs!" and so we brought it again and they were like, "Um..., OK..., you win. Game Over!" ;)

Hiroshima was unjust because the Japanese were close to end the war.

Um...no? They were still fighting hard - the Japs had to be nuked to end the war. The first nuke dropped was just, the second one they dropped was unjust.

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so, pearl harbour was what , ok ?

we shoulda nuked them

garry77777(1796) Disputed
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"so, pearl harbour was what , ok ?"

I am in no way condoning Pearl harbour, it was a gruesome attack, and it was an act of war but if you look into the events leading up to it you begin to realise that the US were actually provoking the Japanese to attack them. You should read the great historian, and man of letters Gore Vidal on this i.e.

""[Roosevelt] taunted the Japanese so they would have to hit us, at Pearl Harbour, and they did," he said. "We have conveniently forgotten because we don't teach American history to anybody, but he sent an ultimatum to the Japanese telling them to get out of China, which they'd been trying to conquer for years. He was laying down the law to them, [saying they had to] surrender their rather proud nation's empire. And they said fuck you. And the next thing we knew the fleet was moving towards Pearl Harbour."

-Gore Vidal

This is also a very relevant quote from wikipedia on the evetns leading up to the war:

"The Tripartite Pact, war with China, increasing militarization and Japan's withdrawal from the League of Nations eventually led the U.S. to embargo scrap metal and gasoline shipments to Japan and to constrain its foreign policy actions and close the Panama Canal to Japanese shipping. In 1940, Japan moved into northern Indochina.[3] The U.S. responded by freezing Japan's assets in the U.S. and embargoing all oil exports to Japan.[4] Oil was Japan's most crucial imported resource; more than 80 percent of Japan's oil imports at the time came from the United States[5]"

Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Events_leading_to_the_attack_on_Pearl_Harbor

"we shoulda nuked them"

I find your dispassionate attitude to the great atrocities committed against the people of Japan quite distasteful

mb66(26) Disputed
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honestly , I really don't give a f--k about the past , or the japs , or anybody else who's not american . Any of you who feel sorry for or support those who bring war to the US , should have your fukin heads thumped .

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I have just five words: Operation Cherry Blossoms at Night.

Unfortunately, I am having a hard time of finding any sort of information online regarding this, so I shall give a description in brief:

Unit 731, headed by the sadistic Dr. Shiro Ishii (ie. the Japanese equivalent of Josef Mengele, but far, far worse), was responsible for innumerable deaths and the truly ruthless torture of countless individuals. One of the planned final outcomes of their experiments on POWs was that which is known as Operation Cherry Blossoms at Night, in which kamikazes infected with Bubonic Plague were to fly to the West Coast of the USA and infect the locals (the Japs had already been infecting rural China via fleas), which could have resulted in countless millions of deaths. The date for this intended attack: September 22, 1945. The war in the Pacific ended in August.

Why is this whole event largely unknown? Cover-up. Douglas MacArthur recommended that, in exchange for their misgotten information, Unit 731 members were granted immunity.

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Conro(767) Disputed
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We've had a vaccine for the Plague since 1897. Tell me, what's the vaccine for disintegration?

Of course, this is not meant to justify the use of biological weapons or infecting innocent civilians with a potentially deadly disease. This is merely to illustrate the difference in approaches. First of all, this attack was not known to the Allied forces, and therefore could not be used as any sort of justification for the bomb.

Secondly, the fleet blockade, embargo, and firebombing inflicted upon Japan had numerous high ranking military personnel (including Eisenhower, MacArthur, and Nimitz) believing surrender was imminent, and that indeed the Japanese had already been suing for peace. By the time the bombs were dropped, 59 out of 66 of Japan's largest cities had already been virtually annihilated due to the firebombings.

Thirdly, the Soviet onslaught (unfortunately simultaneously with the nuking of Nagasaki) left the Japanese without hope for a mediator, and thus incapable of having a chance for peace without bending to the will of the Allies.

Seeing as how this debate is titled "Hiroshima was unjust," I will not make the argument that, even if we were to conclude that the Japanese would not surrender without at least one nuke being dropped, Nagasaki was still a necessary target. In other words, assuming Hiroshima's bombing was just (although, evidence points otherwise), Nagasaki's bombing was not.

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Liber(1730) Disputed
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First of all, this attack was not known to the Allied forces

I wouldn't be so sure of it. We knew of 9/11 before it happened. We knew of Pearl Harbor before it happened. I'd be willing to bet that we knew of Operation Cherry Blossoms at Night before it happened, too.

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The Japanese were no where near being done fighting. Their entire culture was one of devotion to the emperor, and even if the military of Japan was forcibly disbanded, it's likely there would have still been underground movements trying to retake imperial control.

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Anglo-Saxon(7) Disputed
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So your bulk in your arguement is a Biased, Falloius and really, What your talking about is Shinto. At the time Japan was Buddhist.

Next. Is anyone thinking about the UNARMED citizens we just killed, without knowing about Japan to its fullest?

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Republican2(349) Disputed
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What your talking about is Shinto. At the time Japan was Buddhist.

Buddhist or not, the people were totally devoted to the emperor and did just about anything he commanded of them. Soldiers and commoners alike.

Is anyone thinking about the UNARMED citizens we just killed

A truly unarmed and non-violent civilian was hard to come by in imperial Japan. Upon the arrival of US or allied troops it was not uncommon for women, children, and the elderly to attack them with whatever weapons they could fashion. Some were quite effective.

Side: Hiroshima was unjust

I am definitely against the bombing of Hiroshima. It was the lesser of two evils, but it was still evil. That's one of my main arguments, anyway. While I understand the urgency that the government felt, that cannot ever make the act in and of itself morally OK. Pearl Harbor is a horrible justification; again, Japan's attack was also a terrible thing, but the deaths that we caused were so much greater in numbers. Furthermore, the people that were killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki probably had no connection to the people who attacked Pearl Harbor. You can't just group people together just because they're from the same country. Who's to say that all of the Hiroshima/Nagasaki victims even thought the Pearl Harbor attack was right? Also, the Potsdam Declaration did NOT do an accurate job at threatening the Japanese; there was only one sentence about "prompt and utter destruction," and there was absolutely no mention of the fact that they were going to use a new kind of weapon. Finally, the introduction of this new weapon did, directly or not, lead to the arms race, and that caused so much more disaster.

Side: Hiroshima was unjust

Hiroshima was unjust because thousands upon thousands of women and children were killed.

Side: Hiroshima was unjust