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 Hitler did not commit the attrocities during his reign, to include the Holocaust (5)

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Hitler did not commit the attrocities during his reign, to include the Holocaust

He issued decrees called "laws" and had those who willingly obeyed. His enforcers, the police and military, carried out the orders and committed those evil acts. So, who was more morally culpable, Hitler or his enforcers?




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None of those atrocities would have happened if Hitler did not have those who obeyed and carried out those orders. Without many of the people going along with his "laws", including the Jewish and political dissidents getting on those cattle cars, he would not have had power.

The point is that, this applies the world over. We know, from history, that he was not the only ruler who had enforcers carry out his orders. Stalin is another one, with those who were willing to enforce his decrees to starve millions of their own people, amongst other crimes. And Mao is another example.

It is always the enforcers, who carry out such evil acts that are more morally culpable. And the US is no different.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RubyRidge

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wacosiege

Both of the above links are about incidents where the people were found to be in "violation" of "gun laws". But the 2nd Amendment protects the "Right to keep and bear Arms", and the last part says it ". . .shall not be infringed". This is of course being ignored and violated on many fronts under the guise of "laws and regulations".

The 2nd Amendment is as follows:

"A Well Regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a Free State, the right of the People to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The People are the Militia.

At Waco, if they wanted Koresh, they could have waited for him to leave the compound. They did not do so because of erroneous information that he rarely leaves it.

Hitler enacted "gun control laws" and disarmed the Jewish population. Then, they were sent, along with political dissidents and others who were deemed unfit, to their deaths, in concentration camps. But it could not have been done without people to support and carry through with such orders.

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Hitler enacted "gun control laws" and disarmed the Jewish population.

I almost agreed with you (albeit to explain the similarities between Germany and modern America), but then I stumbled across this old chestnut of a fallacy.

Hitler didn't disarm the Jewish population. The Jewish population was already unarmed because the Weimar Republic had outright banned guns throughout Germany. Hitler changed the law to permit private citizens to own guns, but he excluded Jews and opposition groups.

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Hitler didn't disarm the Jewish population. The Jewish population was already unarmed because the Weimar Republic had outright banned guns throughout Germany. Hitler changed the law to permit private citizens to own guns, but he excluded Jews and opposition groups.

Actually, according to the link provided, The Weimar Republic still allowed, with weapons permits, "authorized persons" to have firearms. The Legal foundation to disarm the Jews, was laid down by the Republic and used by the Nazis as an excuse to confiscate weapons from the Jewish people and others, such as Gypsies.

However, Hitler and his Nazis enacted stricter "laws" in 1938. So, my point still stands that he disarmed them, using his enforcers to do so. Yet, with that slight correction as to where he started.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disarmament oftheGermanJews

(albeit to explain the similarities between Germany and modern America)

Yeah, I learned through my own research while in college and after, that their were various "eugenics laws" enacted in this country, in several states. They restricted people from reproduction, through these laws. They also, established profiles of certain ethnic groups as having criminal tendencies, through criminology theory.

They thought that someone's skull size might be an indication of being a criminal. Also, they thought that people with a "criminal" family member or ancestor could be a potential criminal.

The term "eugenics" was first used by Francis Galton, if I am not mistaken. And it took the land by storm. There are those who claim that the Nazis adopted their own twisted ideology from American States with those "laws" spoken of above. I wouldn't doubt it.

There were those in this country who actually, supported Hitler, until he invaded Poland. Then, during and after WWII, the "government" here brought some of those Nazis over here, under Project Paperclip. They were scientists and Truman wanted them vetted. If any had more than a nominal involvement or were supportive of The Nazis, they were excluded. However, I wonder how effective they were in keeping Nazis out of the country, as they were bringing these scientists over here.

https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/operation-paperclip/

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All the world's nations have within their populations many who will commit the most heinous of crimes against humanity if they have been indoctrinated by those whom they perceive as being their infallible, all knowing and absolute leader(s).

Such sadistic morons can be trained just like dogs to carry out their demonic orders without feeling any emotions whatsoever and certainly not remorse.

Nor will they experience the slightest prick of conscience. Such psychopaths/sociopaths don't have any conscience.

1)If these inhuman butchers had been left alone and not subjected to brain-washing techniques such as anti-Jewish propaganda and subliminal type mind-controlling suggestions they would not have committed the atrocities they did.

2) Had the facilities for mass murder not been erected by their handlers/mind controllers they could not have committed their crimes on such an industrial scale.

So, the only logical conclusion to reach here is that it was Hitler and his henchmen who were, if not wholly, then primarily responsible for the slaughter of millions of Jews and many other horrific crimes against humanity.

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We could call Jan/06/2021 an action by "The Fourth Reich". :-(