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How Can Andy Best Stop Multi-Accounting?

VPNs and proxies are so freely available these days that it's a very difficult problem stopping people who are dedicated to online abuse. 

I freely confess to being a multi-accounter myself, and although I find it tempting to argue it was a reactionary behaviour because people were doing it to me, in reality I don't have any excuses. If it's wrong for one person to do it then it's wrong for everybody to do it.

In a debate based completely on theory I would probably argue that extreme free speech is a much better alternative to extreme censorship, but I have seen the results in practice here, and they are not good. Short of calling in a tech to improve site security, Create Debate is going to remain crippled by trolls who think they have the right to sabotage all attempts at reasonable discussion.

Just read through the debate list. It's really not indicative of a healthy place.

I feel for Andy. I really do. I completely understand why he has all but given up. When someone has literally nothing better to do with their day than figure out ways to abuse a social platform which would have been a dream come true to people living just 50 years ago, there aren't many options. You can either give up or stoop to their level and waste your own time (not to mention money) installing countermeasures.

Unfortunately, it is the behaviour of people like these which has resulted in the era of mass censorship which has now engulfed the major platforms like Reddit. A few bad grapes can quickly turn the whole bunch sour. They won't ruin Reddit because Reddit has the infrastructure and finance to stop them, so instead they come to places like this. They come here to take advantage of the fact that CD is a one man operation without the resources to prevent them poisoning the site with hate.

I for one am angry at the ingratitude. They could easily live somewhere or sometime where their opinions are repressed. Instead, they are given remarkable tools to communicate and discuss affairs and all they want to do is use them to attack each other. 

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I freely confess to being a multi-accounter myself says the author of the post.

So what the problem is there Brit.

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behaviour

Brit do you not know how to spell behavior.

Spelling is tough for the Brits.

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Mint_tea(4641) Disputed
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Behavior is the correct way to spell it outside of America. And since, I presume, he is living somewhere other than the US, his spelling is correct.

You should probably brush up on your history and grammar.

"So what the problem is there Brit."?

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How Can Andy Best Stop Multi-Accounting?

Hello A:

On a debate site, WHAT you say is germane. WHO you are is not. Consequently, user accounts should be eliminated. Why do we have to sign in anyway, and who cares who we are?? If you need to express your "feelings", Facebook is a good place for you.

Will the hate go away?? Maybe.. Hating anonymous people doesn't sound like much fun..

anon

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Aur0ra(158) Disputed
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Does excon hate it some communists. Why does an excon think with such a misguided mind.

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excon(18261) Disputed
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Why does an excon think with such a misguided mind.

Hello poochy boy:

If your thinking is an example of a "guided mind", I'll take MISGUIDED any day..

DUDE!!

Now, fetch this stick.

excon

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The whole site is a mess. It's still not using SSL, not mobile friendly, massive layout issues (not least of all the massive white space you get the top of debate pages). You really think there is the technical knowhow to prevent this multiple accounts?

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The whole site is a mess. It's still not using SSL, not mobile friendly, massive layout issues (not least of all the massive white space you get the top of debate pages).

In general I think the format here is great. That's why I've stayed for so long. That said, I agree mostly with what you're saying. There are a lot of issues which need to be resolved.

You really think there is the technical knowhow to prevent this multiple accounts?

Absolutely brother. Every visitor leaves a unique ID if you know how to find it. And I'm not even talking about IP. A good tech could sort this multi-accounting business out in an hour, via any of multiple options. He could insert identification cookies through the browser, meaning your computer rather than your username gets banned. He could even simply set up a system which verifies emails, given that spoofing emails is getting harder through the main providers like Google and Yahoo. Plenty of options, but Andy would probably have to spend more money and I think he's getting sick of doing that already.

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addltd(5144) Clarified
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Atrag, the reason for the white space is that i tried to use a different version of adsense to see if my conversions would pick up. Unfortunately, they remain low. A good month 8-10 years ago was $300 (which almost covered costs). Now a good month is $30. why would I invest any more money into the site when over the course of the 10 years I have spent just shy of $100,000 on it. I could certainly turn parts of it into a pay model, but that wouldn't run off the people making it ugly. If people want change (mobile, fixes for the white space, they are either going to have to spend some time clicking links or pony up some crowdfunding).

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Atrag(5666) Disputed
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If Google Adsense saw you telling people to click ads you would have your account cancelled.

The white space is nothing to do with the ads. The div with a class of shareaholic-canvas has property clear: both. Remove that at replace it with a margin-top. The whole layout is a mess but that will fix that at least.

As for the SSL certificate... it's completely free. Just takes a little effort and not having one is hugely damaging to SEO.

Honestly, what have you spent all that money on? Why didn't you just skill up and do it yourself?

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Chinaman(3570) Clarified
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Democrat are you upset today.

There is a white space problem but there are no white Democrats.

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moveit(44) Banned
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You're just mad that I exposed you for looking like the gay uncle that touched Charles Manson on the no-no.

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SunTzuv2(52) Banned
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The worst multiaccounter ever of the site's history tells this shit. LOL!!!!

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Again(83) Disputed
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The worst multiaccounter ever

Better than being the worst human being ever, I guess. Bye.

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Chinaman(3570) Clarified
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White Democrats have to be the worst human beings ever , I guess.

Well stated there Democrat.

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I truly love the format of this site, it's cleaner than nearly every other debate site out there so it's actually sad to see it going down hill so fast. I agree with Atrim in that there should be some call for moderators. People who can clean up or remove known multiple accounts.

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