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I would point out, Nom intentionally does not engage in (real) Phys, Math, Chem, Engineering, Architecture, or anything along such lines with actual, hard substance--even though his job, by nature, necessitates it.
Therefore, the picture posted is nearly the opposite of the truth of the matter.
would point out, Nom intentionally does not engage in (real) Phys, Math, Chem, Engineering, Architecture, or anything along such lines with actual, hard substance--even though his job, by nature, necessitates it.
Therefore, the picture posted is nearly the opposite of the truth of the matter.
Even so, it would not make it the "opposite" of the truth. He may not be a "scientist" per se but he is still involved with and informed about science.
Also he seems to be most directly engaged with math and physics, which does not require field work or lab work to understand (though it often requires it when forming new theories).
He may not be a "scientist" per se but he is still involved with and informed about science.
No, he is not. He is far too much of an outsider, it all looks extremely impressive & undecipherable to him, and Nom therefore puts it, and the people attached to the "clubs" up high on a pedastal. However, this is extremely dangerous, and inaccurate. It is very weighty baggage that he carries with him, and reflects highly on his worldview. It has created a priest class, in his mind, with the authority to pontificate to those outside the "club".
Now, to be clear, it is not that one needs to know the fundamental "technical" material to be rid of this, that is not the point I am making. Rather, it is more whether or not one has wisdom to comprehend the situation, as a whole.
Frankly, you and Nom are in two different intellectual classes--you the superior, and Nom the inferior. It is why you are able to see through "Priest Class" illusions to a degree (among various other societal illusions)--which i guarantee will increase orders of magnitude once you begin making notable progress in those particular studies i.e. Universty level Phys/Math/etc.--while, Nom lacks the aptitude to break the spell, as of yet.
He is far too much of an outsider, it all looks extremely impressive & undecipherable to him, and Nom therefore puts it, and the people attached to the "clubs" up high on a pedastal.
I don't think so. Nom does believe in the mainstream to a large extent when it comes to physics but then again so do you. That does not mean he reveres the "club" as infallible or doesn't understand science.
it is more whether or not one has wisdom to comprehend the situation, as a whole.
I think Nom does, which is why I became his ally. The thing about Nom is he can be very particular about the way things are presented and phrased, and very intolerant of anything he identifies as wrong. This leads to hostility and I think his hostility towards you is making it hard to see any of his redeeming qualities, and he also is having similar trouble with you since you attack him as well.
It took me a long time to get over that and break down the hostility.
Frankly, you and Nom are in two different intellectual classes--you the superior, and Nom the inferior. It is why you are able to see through "Priest Class" illusions to a degree (among various other societal illusions)--which i guarantee will increase orders of magnitude once you begin making notable progress in those particular studies i.e. Universty level Phys/Math/etc.--while, Nom lacks the aptitude to break the spell, as of yet.
Nom is smarter than me in certain ways, and I am smarter than him in others. But trust me when I saw this, if he was a "sheep" I would not be his ally or have the respect for him that I do.
Nom does believe in the mainstream to a large extent when it comes to physics but then again so do you.
No, I do not. We could discuss that much further in a separate thread, though I'm pressed for time a the moment. In short, (a) the only people qualified to do the legitimate work are Physicists and possibly Chemists, while all others lack the absolutely necessary mathematical background (and system of internal logic) to accurately model their claims (b) as such, other fields of "science" are extremely loose/hand-wavy, consist of wildly inaccurate & incoherent models due to innumeracy & other illiteracies, etc. etc (c) even in Mathematics, Physics, etc., people will intentionally fudge numbers in order to work out a pre-conceived model--it is very common. Fudging numbers is only part of the issue, however, as images & such the public sees from the 'telescopic' to the 'microscopic' are in fact, artists renditions that, in many cases, are quite imaginative and go far beyond the bounds of what one can legitimately determine.
Number fudging is specifically used in order to make pre-conceived notions/models work. They (try to) teach students how to do it, and "fall in-line", as well. Of course, pupils resist at first, as they do in all other subjects in school, but ultimately indoctrination is a very powerful tool. Of course, there are still those in the outcasted minority who try to call it out, as there are in other areas as well. As for images, nearly everything you see is one form or another artist rendition. NASA pictures of the Hubble Deep Field, Andromeda Galaxy, the "Pillars of Creation", or any such thing in astronomy, for instance.
The first part contrasts with personal experience. Number fudging was taught in the same way, and for the same purpose that fallacies are taught in logic. Not to use them, but to spot/avoid them.
The second part is a restatement of your claim. Presumably you would have access to images that are not merely artistic renditions to provide to us as evidence. If not images, some other reasonable evidence would be required. Otherwise this whole post is the word of an Internet stranger.
The second image is very accurate indeed an adult with a piece of chalk( pencils are sharp and dangerous) attempting to colour in a square and failing miserably ......bwaaaaaaahahahahahahaa
