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Ok so we have the Big Bang theory which an explosion occurred ( from nothing but nothingness).
Or there is the choice of there being a supreme other that created the world.
Big Bang theory sounds good on paper, but how can something come from nothing?
The supreme being sounds a little out there, but how did the supreme being come into existence?
I mean I would like to believe both but honestly it is all based on opinions, nothing is factual until we die. Were the preacher either says "SHIT!" or "I knew it all along!"
I mean I would like to believe both but honestly it is all based on opinions, nothing is factual until we die. Were the preacher either says "SHIT!" or "I knew it all along!"
I strongly suspect that preachers (or anyone else for that matter) will have as much to say when they're dead, as they did before they were born.
i know everything is confusing and each is supposedly just opinions but i challenge you to find it in your heart to check out a "living" church and study the Bible. If you do not have access to a Bible then you can ask a me or a pastor at a nearby church.
You mean the Bible that teaches you should kill your children if they're disobedient, that women should remain silent and are forbidden to have authority over any man, that it's ok to not only keep slaves, but beat them to death so long as they don't die right away, that you should "dash babies to death against rocks", bring your daughter to the town and stone her to death if she's not a virgin or send her outside your house to be gang raped by an angry mob to protect your male house guest?
I like the 'bounce theory', the proper name for it slips me, but it is a theory in which there always has been, is, and always will be existence, where gravity will pull things in tightly together, for an incomprehensible amount of time, before exploding, giving off the big bang, and was the push of the bang gradually fades, everything will be sucked in once more, and the cycle repeats.
I like this idea because it makes the universe seem flexible... Almost open to manipulation.
So God wasn't always there then in your version? Fascinating. Who made him then?
Alternatively, if we're going to accept the hypothesis that things can exist eternally, why should we find it more likely that your magical superbeing is that thing than something we can see with our own two eyes actually exists? Namely, the universe?
Actually, I did answer it. You just don't understand that I did because frankly you're out of your depth.
Let's see if i can simplify it to the point where it won't fly over your head.
"If you already claim that your explanation was around forever, you don't get to demand other people explain how things can be around forever. You have already accepted that premise."
I have asked where everything came from and you have not answered it. You have been trying to ignore it because you cannot explain it. God can be around forever but your theory does not say that it has been around forever.
Yes you do have to simplify you statements but not for me but for yourself and you still have not answered where did everything come from from i make it simpler from the evolutionists view point or yours.
Wow you're dense. I have now TWICE answered your question and you are so incapable of understanding the answer you can't even tell it's there.
As for explaining abiogenesis to you... this is guaranteed to be a futile exercise since there's no chance in hell you'll understand any of this either but what the heck.
In very, very broad terms... in the beginning there were chemicals. Chemicals react with each other. Some of these chemical reactions form polymers. This process goes on, and, on, and on... and eventually some of the polymers produced are of the self-replicating variety like certain forms of peptides or even a simple RNA polymerase.
Once you have a process like peptide self-replication at work then you're going to get larger and larger amounts of them and the concentrations will build. All the while you're going to be getting variations in the chemical composition of the peptides. Some of them are going to be growing more complex. Eventually you'll reach the stage where something like a primitive protobiont is present... which is a small step away from having prokaryotic cells.
Now I have little doubt you will proceed to ignore everything I just told you because it is completely beyond your understanding of science, you will make little to no effort to learn enough that you will ever understand it, and you will re-assert that nobody but you or people who agree with you understands where things came from because the bible told you God magicked everything into existence and you don't question things you are told by the bible therefore they are facts.
Fine you answered my question now answer this where did the chemicals come from. For evolution to be true there would have to be thousands and thousands of changes that happen in the right sequences in the right environment for it to happen and plus you don't see evolution happening today. Now do you and you do not have any body saying that they saw evolution take place now do you.
Matter/energy can neither be created nor destroyed... that's the First Law of Thermodynamics. It is therefore eternal and did not "come from" anywhere. There. I'm done.
And we CONSTANTLY see evolution happen today. Pleaese don't embarass yourself further by continuing to highlight your ignorance.
Now your turn. Where did God come from? Let me guess. He always existed just because you say so?
You are right on one part God has always existed but not because i say so, but because the Earth (literally) testifies that everything has a common design take a snails shell for instance its a spiral now take space the galaxies have a spiral shape. Is it not possible that there could have been a common designer. Please tell what type of evolution you support and what evolution is happening today.
You are right on one part God has always existed but not because i say so, but because the Earth (literally) testifies that everything has a common design take a snails shell for instance its a spiral now take space the galaxies have a spiral shape. Is it not possible that there could have been a common designer. Please tell what type of evolution you support and what evolution is happening today.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster has always existed but not because I say so, but because the earth (literally) testifies that everything has been touched by his divine noodly appendage.
SOME galaxies form spirals because of the spin imparted on them during the initial violent expansion phase of the Big Bang.
Snail shells have spirals because of the manner in which they are grown.
They have nothing in common with each other. At all. And there is nothing in nature that in any way points to or even implies design.
As for "what type" of evolution... what different "kinds" do you hink there are? As for seeing it happening, I refer you to the observed instances of speciation FAQ: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html
They have as much in common as saying you personally created the pacific ocean because you poured water into a class once and the pacific ocean also has water in it... therefore the evidence clearly points to them having a "common pourer".
You are being beyond absurd.
And there is only one theory of evolution. I do not know what purpose you think you have trying to chop into into bits and giving it multiple names.
I am not being absurd have you heard of theory that aliens created us and everything now that is beyond absurd. I did not say "common pourer" i said COMMON DESIGNER.
1. Who the heck, exactly, is "my so called evolutionary scientist"?
2. If you want to understand ACTUAL evolutionary theory, stop copying and pasting from quizzes posted online by clueless christian academies ( http://www.providenceacademy.com/uploads/Life%20Science%20Performance%20Objectives(2).doc .doc) ) (Section 5.14 I'm assuming, since it is practically the WORD FOR WORD duplicate of what you posted here?) and read an actual evolutionary biology book.
I made simple mistake of forgetting to put s at the end of scientists. Those are the people who believe in evolution and are scientists those are the people you are getting your facts from.
What is going to happen when scientists pin point a certain gene to homosexuality?
It is only a matter of time before the literal trigger for homosexuality is discovered, and then what? Will all these religious people simply accept it? More than likely they will merely shun the research, cover their ears, and scream: ignorance is bliss!
There is no point in trying to argue with JesusFreak, you have to argue with someone who has not been swallowed up by any form of religion. Who associates himself with a religion but is not obsessed. One who when questioned with the very same questions you pose begins to actually question his own beliefs, and from their you as an intellectual can chip away at the average person's religious bubble until it pops.
It is just sad how the people who have become swallowed up by their religion don't even realize what they are doing to society. JesusFreak is one of those people who holds up signs that have all kinds of horrendous slander written upon them, degrading different people who oppose their religious views.
Religion has been the cause of more death than anything else in the world to date; and that my friend sickens me.
"JesusFreak is one of those people who holds up signs that have all kinds of horrendous slander written upon them, degrading different people who oppose their religious views."
If i were doing that then i would be going against what I believe.The people you are describing are apart of every religion; they are obsessed and degrade the religion they supposedly support. I am not even close to being one of those people you are describing.
Where in the world did the nebulae come from. Something had to create that.
Nebulas didn't come from worlds. Worlds come from nebulas. Nebulas are the result of exploded supernovas, which ultimately came from the hydrogen created by the big bang.
I do not know how or why the existence of anyone or anything is even possible. Nor will I pretend for a moment that I do, but that is the theory that I feel holds the most validity, and is one I will read up on tomorrow and come back with a good argument, but for now I am to tired to make sense, so I'm going to bed. I look forward to discussing this tomorrow.
If God is all powerful, can he create a rock so heavy that even he cannot lift? If he cannot do so, then he is not all powerful, and if he can make it, but cannot not lift it (explicit in the object) then again he is not all-powerful.
Way to avoid my questions. God is all powerful he can create anything he wants to create. Radio waves exists and yet you cannot see them.
Can he make a burrito so hot that he cannot eat it? Can he make a bed composed of sleep? Can he make a sound the colour green? Can he make a circle with four sides?
Evolution is retarded. it goes completely against the scientific theory saying "nonliving matter cannot create a living thing". I do not know why Evolutionists still dont get it. You are making scientific theories wrong by trying to make your stupid theory right. It just can't work that way.
Okay but if there was a so called god how did YOU get on to this earth . Okay theres a mightier powernout there but we dont know that theres a god who out mary and joesph on the earth but what came before them? Animals , dinosaurs , whatever you wanna call them. and IF god put mary and joesph on the earth and they had children well we would all be inbreds . That wouldve been called incest. Which wouldve cause LOTS of birth defects so therefore you cant say evolution isnt what happened because we would 1. Either be massively defective or 2. Just plain discusting people for doing that. Maybe it was normal. I want you to prove theres a god. The big bang theory ends with " the god factor" BUT you cant prove thT theres a god to begin with.
Have you heard of the Miller Urey experiment? It proved living things can come from Non-living things. Try researching it before you make more accusations. Boom.
Clearly this is one of the mysterious clues left by his Noodly Appendage: the Flying Spaghetti Monster to show us how magnanimous He is. It's patently obvious that He created all things.
I can support that logic. The Big Bang Theory. The Universe has expanded from a primordial hot and dense initial condition at some finite time in the past around 13.3 to 13.9 billion years ago where the model relies on Albert Einstein's general relativity theory.
When the writers started to explain how the Big Bang happened they started with the explosion and how everything was centered together at a point and it exploded. But i will go further with my topic question where did the universe come from.
It is a modern theory, backed by mathematics, that our universe is the result of two previously colliding universe. Research the m-theory as a gateway into the matter. It's quite interesting reallly.
Again, I am not scientist, so I will try to my best. The universe didn't come from anywhere until the Big Bang, there was nothing. Space did not even exist. When the first atoms created the explosion, it created space dust and etc.
That does not mean there had to be a supreme being to create everything but It is more easy to believe that then how nothing absolutely nothing exploded.
Well how did some omnipotent, omnipresent being come into existence. Even if "he" "lived" in another dimension, he would have had to be created somehow. After all, how could something be created from nothing? Perhaps he had a creator ;) It was probably some sort of monster with noodly appendages...
I've seen where this goes... trust me, the only truth is in the huge maw of the white worm Yog-sothoth and his eyes composed of dripping gobules of blood. It's obvious when you think about it.
That does not mean there had to be a supreme being to create everything but It is more easy to believe that then how nothing absolutely nothing exploded.
So you're saying it's easier to believe that something came from nothing through magic than your strawman of science.
When the writers started to explain how the Big Bang happened they started with the explosion and how everything was centered together at a point and it exploded. But i will go further with my topic question where did the universe come from.
No i do not only believe i know that the universe and earth came from God.
You somehow think that really really believing something equals knowledge. It doesn't. What came before the big bang is unknowable. Therefore presumed knowledge is a lie or an error.
The big bang is not true. Evolutionists are just really really believing/hoping that evolution is true but that does not mean they know or have knowledge.
The big bang is not true. Evolutionists are just really really believing/hoping that evolution is true but that does not mean they know or have knowledge.
The big bang is a fact. Creationists are just really really believing/hoping that creation is true but that does not mean they know or have knowledge.
Nobody sees evolution today. There are no pictures or video recordings of it happening. Until i have a picture which i know has not been edited i will not even consider evolution to be true.
Nobody sees evolution today. There are no pictures or video recordings of it happening. Until i have a picture which i know has not been edited i will not even consider evolution to be true.
So you didn't read the article. You asked for proof, I gave it to you, and you ignored it. Typical evolution denialist.
In history many people have tried and failed at experiments trying to prove evolution true. There has not been ONE experiment/peice of evidence that points to evolution being true. For example: in the 1950's, scientists tried to conduct and experiment, trying to find out if evolution is true. Their goal was to make amino acids, the basic things a cell is made out of. So the scientists took the gases of what the atmosphere was probably like "billions of years ago" Those scientists took all the gases that were in that time period and mixed them all together and gave it a little electric current. they waited for a few days. nothing happened. a few weeks. nothing happened. A month. still nothing happened. That gives proof that there is no way that a living thing came from a non-living thing
In history many people have tried and failed at experiments trying to prove evolution true.
This is just an argument from ignorance which illustrates how you don't even know about the evolution of dogs from wolves, the evolution of cats from wild cats, the evolution of all our crops we eat every day, the livestock we eat, and so on.
Experiments have failed. Your examples were changes in its own kind not changes to a different kind.
There is no such thing as a "kind." Remember, I'm playing by the rules of science, not your faery tale creationism that places artificial magical limits on life. Organisms evolve and I listed the most obvious examples.
That evolution is not what we are talking about you moron! We are talking about the thought about everything just happened by chance! Have you realized how hard it would be for some of these extraordinary creatures, including us, to evolve! Are you kidding me!
That evolution is not what we are talking about you moron! We are talking about the thought about everything just happened by chance! Have you realized how hard it would be for some of these extraordinary creatures, including us, to evolve! Are you kidding me!
Of course it's evolution. You just don't know what evolution is because you think your strawman of "everything just happened by chance" defines evolution.
Your reasoning is like "Airplanes don't exist you moron, we're talking about floating pipes lifted by air-powered fish. That has never been observed, ergo airplanes don't exist."
However, to add insult, DNA and fossils show that we evolved. You're wrong on two counts.
There have been the same animal found in different fossil layers. So you basically opened a door that insulted you. He is right that is not the evolution we are talking about.
There have been the same animal found in different fossil layers. So you basically opened a door that insulted you. He is right that is not the evolution we are talking about.
You have so little grasp of what you're talking about that you are babbling incoherently.
READ MY EXPLANATION AND I WILL READ YOURS! You don't get it do you! Science isn't the answer to everything! But someday I will be with my God in heaven and who knows where you will be! By the way, from what you were saying, the earth did evolve. There is basically proof that the ark in Noah's Ark, like the most famous Bible story if you didn't know that, because on Mount Ararat there is a huge massive structure made out of wood in the shape of a boat. It is almost exactly the dimensions that it said in the Bible. They have found planks of wood and metal and a few other stuff. In the Bible, it also talks about how Noah brought every animal according to its kind in the Ark, or boat if you didn't know that, that doesn't mean every animal in the world, just every kind of animal like cats, which means there probably was a cat and a tiger which is probably what every other cat came from. Anyways, they also found other bones and stuff of animals, also including fossilized dinosaur droppings. So that is one thing that I learned which made my faith and belief in God stronger. Eat that! Lets see what you got.
You don't get it do you! Science isn't the answer to everything!
Science gives answers to how the universe works.
But someday I will be with my God in heaven and who knows where you will be!
You are delusional. When you die you will cease to exist. You won't even realise you are wrong because when you die, it's lights out with no time to reflect.
By the way, from what you were saying, the earth did evolve
The earth is not alive. Only life evolves.
There is basically proof that the ark in Noah's Ark, like the most famous Bible story if you didn't know that, because on Mount Ararat there is a huge massive structure made out of wood in the shape of a boat. It is almost exactly the dimensions that it said in the Bible. They have found planks of wood and metal and a few other stuff.
There could be no worldwide flood because:
There is insufficient water on earth.
A flood would kill all life and destroy the earth's entire ecosystem, making it impossible for survivors to proliferate.
Saltwater fish and freshwater fish would die due to the mixing of waters.
All plantlife would die, which signals the end of life.
The boat in the bible could not carry enough of every species necessary to survive a flood of this magnitude.
The animals post-flood would have to be shipped worldwide, and collected worldwide.
The massive death would cause a single layer of fossils. This isn't what nature shows.
The massive catastrophe would cause erosion of lands, creating many gradients of mud leading to silt. There isn't this.
The water would have nowhere to go.
A flood did happen, however, but it was a local flood that was exaggerated to epic proportions by oral tradition.
it also talks about how Noah brought every animal according to its kind in the Ark, or boat if you didn't know that, that doesn't mean every animal in the world, just every kind of animal like cats, which means there probably was a cat and a tiger which is probably what every other cat came from.
Life doesn't work this way. There are no kinds of anything. There are taxa, and each branch of taxa may become smaller as you go back, leading to fewer animals necessary for preservation on an ark, but at the same time it requires that you accept evolution in its entirety because the taxa must then diverge from those preserved animals. Not to mention the great amount of time it takes for this amount of divergence, on the order of millions of years.
However this all forgets the physical impossibility of a flood.
Anyways, they also found other bones and stuff of animals, also including fossilized dinosaur droppings. So that is one thing that I learned which made my faith and belief in God stronger. Eat that! Lets see what you got.
So? Faith isn't a form of knowledge, and your impossible story didn't happen.
"which means there probably was a cat and a tiger which is probably what every other cat came from"
So you admit in evolution. That's interesting.
Even if there was a flood, what existed before? Was it....hmmm...the world? After all, wasn't there Eden or Adam or Eve?
It seems like instead of contradicting yourself, you should instead research real evidence. Additionally, provide a link or some factual reference that has found planks on Mount Ararat. It's up to you to provide the evidence, as it is your argument.
Although he is saying in their own kind, he is implying speciation, which is a direct result of evolution. So either he believes in evolution, there is only one kind of "cat", or Noah carried all the animals that ever existed from his time onward on his ark.
I checked out your link and it is not convincing in the slightest. In the second box down it states that there are other geologic formations like that in the area, but this one is the biggest. Additionally, here is the actual refutation of the "Noah's Ark Theory" about the structure, also present in the second box: http://www.csun.edu/~vcgeo005/bogus.html
Archaeologists drilled a hole through it but the drill was hallow. When it was pulled out they found fossilized wood, fossilized metal, and fossilized animal droppings were pulled out.
I don't find your evidence very convincing. The evidence the author used is unverifiable. Additionally, the only other person who made analyses of the materials in "the Ark" was Ron Wyatt, a person who has been shown to be untrustworthy. See my own link. Regardless, this debate is no longer about the creation of the world. Since you claim Noah existed, along with his Ark, how did he exist without a world. Therefore, we can deduce that the world wasn't created in the flood. The fact of whether or not there was a flood, let alone an Ark, is moot.
Kinds do not exist in biology. Given the right selection pressures, a cat will become an animal that resembles a dog and vice versa. We see this happen all around us, it is why Chihuahuas and Great Danes look so completely different from their ancestors, the wolf. Evolution shaped these animals.
Also, there was no worldwide flood. It's not possible, try thinking about it for 5 minutes.
There was a worldwide flood their is plenty of evidence that supports it. Its funny how different believers in evolution believe in something different for when i said this to Terminator or somebody he basically explained evolution with "kinds".
There was a worldwide flood their is plenty of evidence that supports it. Its funny how different believers in evolution believe in something different for when i said this to Terminator or somebody he basically explained evolution with "kinds".
A worldwide flood cannot happen because:
A flood would kill all life and destroy the earth's entire ecosystem, making it impossible for survivors to proliferate.
Saltwater fish and freshwater fish would die due to the mixing of waters.
All plantlife would die, which signals the end of life.
The boat in the bible could not carry enough of every species necessary to survive a flood of this magnitude.
The animals post-flood would have to be shipped worldwide, and collected worldwide.
The massive death would cause a single layer of fossils. This isn't what nature shows.
The massive catastrophe would cause erosion of lands, creating many gradients of mud leading to silt. There isn't this.
The water would have nowhere to go.
This is why a worldwide flood is impossible. I shouldn't have to point out something so obvious.
Also, TERMINATOR is not a biologist. A "kind" of animal denotes an ancient and primitive view that life is static and unchanging. We know better now. Life can change over millennia, and will often resemble nothing of its ancestors after millions of years. This is why we look nothing like the other primates at a casual glance, however if you look closer you will find that we are related to them.
Here's a link if you do not like it i have plenty more to choose from.
Sorry, if it's not a geology technical journal, it's not proper evidence. Christian propaganda isn't evidence, especially.
However, I already explained to you WHY a worldwide flood cannot happen. Water conforms to a surface. A worldwide flood means that the water had to be there already, and would have no place to go. A worldwide flood would devastate the Earth beyond what could be survived by animals on an ark. It's mythology.
You should be embarrassed that I have to explain this stuff to you. The most rudimentary common sense would indicate that a flood of such a magnitude cannot happen.
A "Christian" link is by its very nature propaganda. Use real evidence from scientific publications. These are the rules of debate, you use scientific sources to back scientific arguments.
You're just guessing that the world was different, but you still didn't answer my objections:
A flood would require water that isn't here, and that water would have to go somewhere.
A flood would end all life, period. You couldn't survive after the flood because the world would be dead.
Aved whatever your name is, you are totally making all of this stuff up we are trying to help you but you are refusing!
I am actually much smarter than you on these subjects, but I have to keep my answers simple because you and the other guy show a lack of education and you wouldn't understand the technical details.
Do you have proof that you could share to us that this god of yours truly is the creator of the world; something realistic instead of relying on that book?
Well, I guess it's story. A long long time ago, about 4 billion, or so, years, there was this cloud of space dust and rocks and various things like that. Well this space gunk wasn't very happy being just a bunch of space gunk so it asked it's buddy, Gravity, to help it out.
"Hey Gravity, can you help me become a planet? I don't very much like being a bunch of space gunk." Said the rather melancholic cloud of space gunk.
"Sure thing buddy. But... you may want to look a way... no...don't worry it won't hurt that much" Said Gravity in a joyous manner, and then Gravity used his magic powers to create a lot of pressure on the center of space gunk,
" I feel funny" chuckled Space Gunk as he pretty much imploded on himself creating a molten ball of iron and lots of dirt... well the iron being rather dense sank to the core and in its state of being hot aligned it self to become extremely magnetic. He stayed like this for a hundred million years until he cooled off and became a solid planet.
"Thanks buddy"
"no problem"
Billions of years later a bacteria infection that came from nowhere manifested it self into sentient beings... this kind of bugged the now named "Earth" but, that's a story for a different day.
I will summarize your story something came from nothing. The nothing exploded it formed everything. The earth was nothing but a bowl of soup. Non-living things formed into living things (so that means we evolved from a rock) and now here we are today.
Oh, well.. if we're summarizing stories then we should prefer "It was magic!"?
Is that what we're supposed to take away from this? Gravitational attraction of particulate matter in space is just SILLY! Therefore it was obviously an invisible all powerful magical superbeing that waved his hand and created everything. Duh.
The only thing you could think to bring to the table was to quibble over the fact that it was actualy more like a magic word than a magic wave? And you think this brings additional credibility to your version of things I assume?
God has always been their it is hard to explain but thats the truth i know you want pure facts that you can see but that is what part of faith is believing in what you cannot see.
I believe God exists through faith but evolutionists believe evolution because of their ignorance. I have to put in faith to believe in God that is all but for evolution it is said to be fact and yet we do not see it happening today. It is all about faith for Christians and other facts that prove evolution wrong.
Yeah... but the Bible doesn't really mean anything. It's just a collection of stories that a bunch of crazy people, who thought they could talk to an invisible man, from 2000 years ago thought were charming.
I will summarize your story something came from nothing. The nothing exploded it formed everything. The earth was nothing but a bowl of soup. Non-living things formed into living things (so that means we evolved from a rock) and now here we are today.
I think you just described creationism there. Only creationism teaches that something came from nothing. You know, creation ex nilho? That means "from nothing." Creationism teaches that nothing became something, and that something was magically poofed into a universe by... magic!
No! God created the universe by speaking it into existence. Nothing evolved and God can create anything he wants sense he is all powerful while evolution believes that no one created anything just nothing exploded and turned into something.
Well if God is all powerful then he can lift any huge rock he creates it is not compatible for an all powerful God to create something that he cannot lift.
If he creates something that is so heavy he cannot lift it, then when he creates it, he cannot lift it. That is an inherent property of the object. Therefore, if he cannot lift it, he is not all-powerful. If, on the other hand, he cannot make such an object, then he again is not all-powerful.
I didn't say anything about the size of the rock, just it's weight/mass.
You are not getting the point God can create an object that is really heavy. But nothing is to heavy for God it is impossible for anything to beat God. Even death. See the Holy Bible New International Version the gospel of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
You are not getting the point God can create an object that is really heavy. But nothing is to heavy for God it is impossible for anything to beat God. Even death. See the Holy Bible New International Version the gospel of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
So if he can't make a rock too heavy for him to lift it, he's not all-powerful then. If he can, he's not all-powerful because he can't lift it. God cannot be all-powerful. If god isn't all-powerful then he is contradicted from the biblical account, which means he's a fairy tale, and doesn't exist.
No! God created the universe by speaking it into existence. Nothing evolved and God can create anything he wants sense he is all powerful while evolution believes that no one created anything just nothing exploded and turned into something.
Natter cannot be created or destroyed, ergo it cannot be "spoken into existence" with magic words. You're trying to say that nothing became something, good job at inanity.
It's called matter. Matter has always existed. It cannot be destroyed. We did not evolve from rocks. We evolved from DNA and RNA molecules that came from hydrothermal vents and/or the Earth's atmosphere.
hey where did all that "space gunk" come from? Where did space come from? So your basically saying that we came from space gunk or some kind of soup? THERE HAS TO HAVE BEEN SOME KIND OF A CREATOR TO CREATE THE "SPACE GUNK" YOU HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. I believe God was the creator not of the "space gunk" but of the whole universe
hey where did all that "space gunk" come from? Where did space come from? So your basically saying that we came from space gunk or some kind of soup? THERE HAS TO HAVE BEEN SOME KIND OF A CREATOR TO CREATE THE "SPACE GUNK" YOU HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. I believe God was the creator not of the "space gunk" but of the whole universe
It's a law of nature that matter cannot be created or destroyed. Therefore that "space gunk" existed in some form before the universe.
Science has demonstrated repeatedly over the last hundred and fifty years that a creator isn't necessary to explain life or the cosmos.
Would you assert that the world is formed by matter that was ultimately created as a consequence of the Big Bang?
Both of us have a speculation of the origin of matter, and it behooves us both to remain mindful of that fact. But damn, it sure is entertaining to poke at our viewpoints, both mine and yours.
Would you assert that the world is formed by matter that was ultimately created as a consequence of the Big Bang?
Nah. The Big Bang was simply a quick expansion of already existing matter and the separation of the forces (Strong, Weak, Gravity and Electromagnetic (and possibly others)).
The question of how something occurs is not answered by whodid it.
You obviously don't know where anything came from and i have so as far as I'm concerned i have won this argument.
You asked me two specific questions: where did matter come from, and where did the universe come from. Neither of those questions are relevant to the actual debate: how the world was formed. You can't "win" one debate by asking irrelevant questions or questions pertinent to another debate. I've actually answered your question as to how the planet formed, which you've chosen to ignore for the sake of winning a debate you and I are not engaged in. What this means is that you're not asking the question in good faith.
Furthermore, not knowing where two things come from (your question is loaded with some tacit assumptions that I may not agree with to begin with) is not the same thing as not knowing where anything comes from.
Ok then let me rephrase then the earth and universe were formed on the 6 days of creation. The questions i ask are relevant for to be able to explain how the world was created you need to know first where the materials came from to be able to say how the earth was formed or created.
Ok then let me rephrase then the earth and universe were formed on the 6 days of creation.
And we're back to the question of HOW. Again, I've answered your topic question. Do you have anything to say to the answer I've provided?
The questions i ask are relevant for to be able to explain how the world was created you need to know first where the materials came from to be able to say how the earth was formed or created.
Ha Ha Ha Sure you've answered the Topic Question but you still have not supplied substantial evidence to prove your theory. No i will not spare you the ad hoc contrivance for i will prove that God created the world and evolutionists cannot support people with substantial replies.
Ha Ha Ha Sure you've answered the Topic Question but you still have not supplied substantial evidence to prove your theory.
It's not "my" theory. I can point you to more than a few journal articles describing observations and the subsequent explanatory models of said observations.
No i will not spare you the ad hoc contrivance for i will prove that God created the world and evolutionists cannot support people with substantial replies.
Biology and cosmology aren't the same thing. Stick to the cosmology. And if you're so inclined, then "prove" that god created whatever you want and move along. Remember that good faith accusation?
And if you do have specific questions about evolution and evolutionary theory, we can have a conversation on that at length. If you have "substantial replies", then send them my way and I'll try to address them as best I can.
I will prove that God by telling you to like at all the natural things in the world and how they have common design. Maybe a common designer created them. I have a question about evolution that happened here on earth. But before i ask that question what type of evolution do you believe in?
I will prove that God by telling you to like at all the natural things in the world and how they have common design.
There are many natural "things" that don't have a common design: Anthozoa do not have a common design with Cetacea, nor with Amphibia, neither does Amphibia have a common design with Bacteria or Archaea.
Maybe a common designer created them.
Or maybe multiple designers for each. Or a different designer for different "things" with common design. And are you discounting natural processes like evolution as a designer.
But before i ask that question what type of evolution do you believe in?
That's somewhat misconceived and a little convoluted.
Evolutionary theory contains principle explanations of the driving forces that underpin observed biodiviersity and biodiversification. Part of what you're highlighting are the mechanisms of the observed change. Natural selection, genetic drift, mutation and migration are these mechanisms. They're not "different types of evolution*, per se. Just different means to gene frequency and (ultimately) phenotypic change.
Furthermore, Lamarckism isn't the evolution of the modern synthesis. It was roundly rejected a century ago. To call it a theory of evolution is like calling Phlogiston an actually existing substance.
But I notice that you haven't address my other points.
Do you agree or disagree that there are certainly some aspects of life that does not show a common design? If you disagree: why?
Do you agree or disagree that there may be multiple designers for all designs, or multiple designers for every individual design, or that nature can and does produce designs of its own (see: snowflakes)? If you disagree: why?
There are many things so far apart from each other that we do not consider them to have a common design but they may certainly do. If there are multiple designers then that goes against the evolution theory just saying. Yes nature can produce designs of its own but God designed it that way.
There are many things so far apart from each other that we do not consider them to have a common design but they may certainly do.
There may certainly exist a common design. So, let's build from there. The easiest way to look for design is to first define "design" and then what would make a multiplicity of designs "common". That is, in living organisms, what should we look for?
If there are multiple designers then that goes against the evolution theory just saying.
So? Do you agree or disagree with my suggestion?
Yes nature can produce designs of its own but God designed it that way.
God designed nature to be its own designers? Fine. But I'll follow with the question of how you've come to assert this. I know that this specific assertion doesn't come from the Bible, since nowhere in the Bible does it make this claim. So, what makes you think that God designed nature to be its own designer?
Ha Ha Ha Sure you've answered the Topic Question but you still have not supplied substantial evidence to prove your theory. No i will not spare you the ad hoc contrivance for i will prove that God created the world and evolutionists cannot support people with substantial replies.
We're all waiting for you to make god pop into existence to prove that he exists, so he can testify that he did anything.
Ok then let me rephrase then the earth and universe were formed on the 6 days of creation. The questions i ask are relevant for to be able to explain how the world was created you need to know first where the materials came from to be able to say how the earth was formed or created.
Sounds like you forgot to do your homework. The earth was formed from a nebula. The universe formed by the big bang.
Depends on "earliest". Heavy and light particles: protons, neutrons were formed literally less than seconds after the Big Bang in the Hadron epoch, which itself lasted less than seconds. Even if we're talking about Planck time, the hypothesized Super Force, had to have been acting on "something".
I can only really give you a simplified explanation since I'm not an astronomer or cosmologist. But basically, planetary formation begins in circumstellar disks. Large and small scale accretion of planetismals and protoplanets of variable size takes place. They exist bimodally in the circumstellar disk and undergo variable rates of growth. (A protoplanet is a spherical, nonrotating, nonmagnetic gas-object).
During the middle stages of accretion, planetary formation undergoes runaway growth and eventually settles into oligarchic growth, then chaotic. Oligarchs/sizable protplanets are kind of independent objects (they've reached an isolation mass, which permits them to break from the orbit of other objects) that initially repel each other, but various interactions overcome them and collision begins to take place. The larger protoplanets will merge with smaller objects, clear away other protoplanets and eventually become "planets" proper.
I could provide you a slightly more detailed analysis, but it would really only be slightly more detailed.
Through faith Christians have to believe that God has always been. I believe that the universe and basically everything else must have a creator which is God. The human mind just cannot comprehend that someone has always been there.
I believe that the world, as it is now, has gotten to this point through the laws of nature. The Big Bang shaped the universe, laws of physics and chemistry formed the planets and stars, and evolution brought life from single cells all the way to complex humans. However, I don't believe this was just spontaneous. I think there was a greater being (God) who initiated the Big Bang, which, in turn, triggered everything else somewhat randomly until the present day. And things are still changing too!
It says in the Bible that God created the world and everything in it. And I believe this because if you look at the world how could the Earth just form itself there had to be a creator and I believe that God is the creator.
Most of it was leftovers from the formation of the sun. All of this came from the big bang... the big bang came from an anomaly in a larger multi-verse...
Gravity is a force. It's not tangible (at least not that we know of). There is no "graviton" (although some are seeking it). The space gunk, as it was composed of mass, was attracted to other space gunk, eventually coalescing into a cosmic body, the sun, and more space gunk formed around it to form the planets. Where did this "mass" or "space gunk" come from? It came from energy. Energy is just another form of mass. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, so therefore it has always existed. If you try to turn that back on me (creating something from nothing would probably be your argument because that seems to be the only point you make on here) and say through some twisted form of logic that God must have created something, then even if God was pure energy, he would have to have been created. Therefore, he also does not exist, by your own "logic" (or what I'm predicting your "logic" will be).
Im just saying right now that what your saying is incorrect but ill let you have your opinion, first off . Only SOME OF THE BIBLE IS TRUE. mary, joesph , jesus, sure all thats real but you cant say that god created earth and anything on i because how are we to prove god is real? Anyway, some chemicals merged, created gravity, gravity pulled a bunch of things together and one day the pressure from gravity got too much , so therefore the stuff imploded to make a planet , this happened many times to make the earth, planets and space what it is today (:
Did God create the World or was there a big bang? Do you have anything to back your theory up?
The big bang formed the universe. This is proven by the continual expansion of the universe and by satellite telescopes which collect images of the universe from many billions of light years away, meaning we have seen the early universe with our own eyes (because the extreme size of the universe means that light from 13 billion years ago is only now reaching us). Plus there is cosmic background radiation.
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Existence is prior to everything else, it allows for both the possibility of subsistence and non-subsistence (somethingness and nothingness). Since these two are equally as probable subsistence seems to be an inevitability. thus the manifestation of energy matter. from there the material evolution of the universe manifested stars and planets via gravity and fusion and radiation allows for more complex organic molicules to form from less complex molicules. This was the precurser to life and life formed when a molicule became recapitulating and capable of greater complexity ie RNA and DNA. Diversification from there resulted in the current state of existence as we humans percieve as a non-unique part of this whole system
Evolution states that things will evolve in to something better and more advanced. If this true then why is the universe and the world "deteriorating." Nothing is exactly what it is "no thing." Therefore how can subsistences come from nothing. If you say it was just there then that is the same thing as saying that God was just there.
Evolution states that things will evolve in to something better and more advanced.
Prove that. I say it doesn't.
Evolution maintains that live will grow in complexity over time, and become more adjusted to its environment.
If this true then why is the universe and the world "deteriorating."
It isn't. I doubt you even understand what it is you're trying to say.
Nothing is exactly what it is "no thing." Therefore how can subsistences come from nothing.
Under certain circumstances, namely a quantum vacuum, particles can manifest from a void. This is because in our universe, there is no "nothing." Even a vacuum has electromagnetic waves.
If you say it was just there then that is the same thing as saying that God was just there.
Not really. One is supported by observation and mathematics, the other is just a guess.
So there is going to be a species greater than humans.
You were right i did not understand AT FIRST but now i have realized what i was trying to say. What i mean to say was the Big Bang was a supposed explosion billions of years of ago. Now the Law of Entropy states that disorder cannot bring about order. An explosion has never produced order. Lets say a small house blows up. Did it turn into a mansion or is there a pile rubble. Pile Rubble. Why would the Big Bang be any different?
"Under certain circumstances, namely a quantum vacuum, particles can manifest from a void. This is because in our universe, there is no "nothing." Even a vacuum has electromagnetic waves."
So you are saying our universe has always been here and when i say that God has always been here then your right and i'm wrong. You also say you are supported by facts of observation and mathematics. I would like you to give me proof of this.
So there is going to be a species greater than humans.
No. "Greater than" is not what was implied. "More complex" was.
Evolution is not a ladder.
You were right i did not understand AT FIRST but now i have realized what i was trying to say. What i mean to say was the Big Bang was a supposed explosion billions of years of ago. Now the Law of Entropy states that disorder cannot bring about order. An explosion has never produced order. Lets say a small house blows up. Did it turn into a mansion or is there a pile rubble. Pile Rubble. Why would the Big Bang be any different?
Because it was not an explosion. You got this misinformation from Kent Hovind's lecture, where he tries to explain the big bang, then confuses it with a supernova and uses that to say that the big bang violates conservation of angular momentum. The big bang was an expansion of space-time. In other words, the fabric of the universe, of reality itself, expanded faster than the speed of light, from a point.
An explosion is completely different.
So you are saying our universe has always been here and when i say that God has always been here then your right and i'm wrong.
I am saying that either the universe has always been here (cyclical universe, conforms with known symmetries of spacetime) or it came about as a result of a fluctuation in a quantum vacuum (universe an expanding quantum fluctuation, possible only under certain conditions, namely a flat universe and dark matter should be a certain ratio to confirm this).
I can say these things because physicists have been studying this topic for over a century, using experimental methods and observation.
You also say you are supported by facts of observation and mathematics. I would like you to give me proof of this.
No one can really know for sure, but it's a waste of time arguing about it, or as this lovely picture depicts it, why argue and fight over something we'll never find out?
The world was created billions of years ago over the course of millions of years when carbon gasses and debris circling the Sun condensed together from the force of gravity into the ball of hot, molten rock that was the first Earth.
Somewhere near the end of this condensation cycle, a Mercury-sized asteroid barreled towards Earth at billions of miles per hour and collided with it. This 'Giant Hit' caused the cycle of Earth's formation to be disrupted, in the fact that the collision cause the minerals composing the asteroid and the minerals with the Earth to spill outward from the fetal Earth like blood spilling from a wounded warrior.
These minerals then were caught in the gravitational pull of the Earth, and slowly, nearing the end of Earth's formation cycle, these stray minerals formed the Moon.
One or two billions of years later, Earth begins to sport an atmosphere and then some water.
So and so billions of years later from that, here we are.
Science is the best process we currently have for discovering truth. When we look out into deep space, we see everything moving away from us at increasing speeds.
It follows scientifically that there either is, or was at some point, sufficient force to cause this separation. Following backwards, the only explanations for this expansion are Dark Energy and something along the lines of a Big Bang. The Big Bang theory is simply our best explanation currently.
However, there is no reason to think that, if the universe was created with a Big Bang, that such a truth would exclude God from being the Creator. Imagine it this way. Let's say we prove the Big Bang possible by compacting energy into a tiny point, releasing it in a vacuum, and observing a sort of mini-universe taking shape. That would basically prove the Big Bang was possible as an explanation.
However, if we could take energy, compact it, and release it in a vacuum, who is to say that God couldn't have done the same thing to create our universe?
We may never know, but it is fun to try and figure it out.
God has always existed. By you saying existence you mean the universe, plants, and stars. If that is the case God created all of those. Let me ask you a question radio waves exist and yet we cannot see it. So could that also me God exists even though we cannot see him.
No, you appear to be mixing concepts. Existence is that which abides to the laws of space-time. Radio waves are a specific frequency of sound. Sound is a medium of energy. Energy is the base form of all matter. Matter exists, naturally.
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God is a religious concept, not a scientific concept, and thereby has no relation to a wavelength of energy. Further, the relation you made was obscure; having based it off of what one can see. Sight is a sensory system, as is taste, hearing, touch, and smell, all of which are subjective to interpretation by the party supposedly involved.
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So I ask again, what begat the existence of a god?
If God were to come to you right now would you believe in him or would you think it was just an illusion. God has always existed. I will give you an example snails have a spiral shell the galaxies also have spiral formation is it not possible that a common designer created all things.
I'm assuming you know that your statement on spiral designs on snails is frivolous, so I wont spent the time refuting it, unless you so particularly believe that dictates the existance of a god. If so, do tell me.
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You've assumed I do not believe in a god, and that I hold no potential to do so. Had Odin come forth from Valhalla, absent of an eye and accompanied by his hawk, I would have bowed down to Him. Such things do not occur, however. We cannot aknowledge that which does not provide physical and statistical proof of its very existence.
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To claim a god created this earth is to claim there is evidence.
I will make it simpler for you to understand. So by you saying that the spiral designs on snails and galaxies is frivolous then this it is frivolous that man came from monkeys.
No. Again, these are seperate concepts. Assuming two abstract objects are related because of their shape is far different then tracking biological mutations trough time. Far different.
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By implementing your correlation system, I could claim that oreo cookies were made by the same being whom created tires. They are both round so why not? Because you are assuming that there is a common catalyst between completely abstract things without providing proof or even theoretical data.
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Is it that abstract that the earth was formed not by an omipotent being, but rather gravity? It doesn't disprove your god, you knowl
And here you admit that something CAN exist without creation. Well, my assertion is that the UNIVERSE has always existed. God is superfluous. As far as radio waves are concerned, your analogy fails. We can measure radio waves with various devices. Your god cannot be measured by any device. I can confirm the existance of radio waves. You cannot confirm the presence of your invisible man in the sky
First the sky cannot contain God because he is to big. The universe did not always existed God created it. I know you can measure radio waves they are still invisible which we cannot see with the "naked" eye.
Evolutionists believe that living things came from non-living things which is scientifically IMPOSSIBLE. Its okay i will not laugh at you for believing something created in the 1800's by People who do not want God to be real.
"Evolutionists believe that living things came from non-living things which is scientifically IMPOSSIBLE."
Because of no ozone layer, due to a lack of oxygen... ultraviolet radiation could reach the Earth in large quantities. This is a very active form of energy which was critical in forming growingly complex combinations of carbon dioxide, nitrogen, and water. These combinations began to grow attributes of life... and continued to grow more lively and complex over billions of years. And now here we are... super intelligent beings... byproducts of carbon, nitrogen, and water.
How did that get here? As you see, it is never going to stop and you should watch some videos on youtube or somewhere that is proving evolution wrong and see how it is truly scientifically impossible for the earth to just evolve from nothing. It is impossible, as some scientists say like Charles Darwin, that a bunch of amino acids and some chemicals like hydrogen and helium came together and formed the earth and every living thing, and has already been tested and failed and didn't even form amino acids or any living thing at all.
Gravity attracts clumps of matter together, eventually forming stars. Nebulae are those clumps of matter, and they come from supernovas, also remember that the big bang formed the early light elements hydrogen and helium.
As you see, it is never going to stop and you should watch some videos on youtube or somewhere that is proving evolution wrong
Evolution isn't wrong. If you are having doubts about legitimate science, it means that someone fed you lies after preying upon your ignorance of science and prejudice for a specific religious conclusion.
see how it is truly scientifically impossible for the earth to just evolve from nothing.
The earth didn't evolve.
It is impossible, as some scientists say like Charles Darwin, that a bunch of amino acids and some chemicals like hydrogen and helium came together and formed the earth and every living thing, and has already been tested and failed and didn't even form amino acids or any living thing at all.
It helps if you have a coherent idea about what you refuse to believe in. You've been deceived, you don't want to accept science because you believe in a superstition which demands belief in ridiculous miracles, when life would make so much more sense if you dropped your superstition and prejudice towards intellectuals and just accepted what the scientific method allows us to know.
READ MY EXPLANATION AND I WILL READ YOURS! You don't get it do you! Science isn't the answer to everything! But someday I will be with my God in heaven and who knows where you will be! By the way, from what you were saying, the earth did evolve. There is basically proof that the ark in Noah's Ark, like the most famous Bible story if you didn't know that, because on Mount Ararat there is a huge massive structure made out of wood in the shape of a boat. It is almost exactly the dimensions that it said in the Bible. They have found planks of wood and metal and a few other stuff. In the Bible, it also talks about how Noah brought every animal according to its kind in the Ark, or boat if you didn't know that, that doesn't mean every animal in the world, just every kind of animal like cats, which means there probably was a cat and a tiger which is probably what every other cat came from. Anyways, they also found other bones and stuff of animals, also including fossilized dinosaur droppings. So that is one thing that I learned which made my faith and belief in God stronger. Eat that! Lets see what you got.
Okay... once again with this, eh? Well first of all the first cells are theorized to have come from present chemicals such as C02,O2,H20,NH3, and other various compounds....
given 3 billion years to do nothing gives a lot of time for chemical reactions to start getting complex i.e. life just by pure random chance
"Evolutionists believe that living things came from non-living things which is scientifically IMPOSSIBLE."
But it's not impossible! It's simple, really. The first step toward life was little proteins and little strands of RNA that just happened to form. Eventually, through chemical reactions, these proteins and RNA strands helped to make very very primitive cells. The cells "learned" to reproduce with the help of other proteins. RNA became DNA as well and after billions upon billions of years, multi-cellular life began to flourish.
In fact, it's been scientifically proven that life can come from non-living materials. Just look at the Miller experiment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller–Urey_experiment In the experiment, Miller was able to produce different amino acids (the building blocks of life) from the compounds found in the early Earth's atmosphere! Astounding, right? :)
Evolutionists believe that living things came from non-living things which is scientifically IMPOSSIBLE. Its okay i will not laugh at you for believing something created in the 1800's by People who do not want God to be real.
You mean scientists know and it isn't impossible. It's established science. Go read a biology book and look into abiogenesis.
Of course I'll tell you what IS impossible: animals popping into existence from thin air, which has never been observed, and cannot happen according to fundamental laws of nature.
Although the Bible does give explicit directions on how the Earth was made, do you personally believe in all of these claims verbatim? Do you believe that the Earth was made in 4000BC (or so)? Do you believe that God single-handedly created all of the animals that exist to this day? I'm just curious because when I think of a Christian fundamentalist that believes these things, I typically don't imagine them having internet access. ;) No offense or anything to you.
By the way, I'm not trying to insult you or anything. I'm also a Christian and I believe in God and the Bible and everything. I just don't think that the entire Bible is factual stories. I believe that some of the stories are merely in the Bible to teach lessons on morality, God's power, etc. :)
Yes i do believe that God created everything verbatim. I do believe that everything in the Bible is true for if one thing is false then how can you trust the other stuff in the Bible.
Yes i do believe that God created everything verbatim. I do believe that everything in the Bible is true for if one thing is false then how can you trust the other stuff in the Bible.
Either you're a very good Poe or a very bad Christian.
Adolf Hitler was never even a Christian. Even if he claimed to be the only way to be a Christian is to believe Jesus died on the cross for our sins fallow God's laws/rules believe in him trust him. That is when the person is a Christian. A person cannot be a Christian if they do not fallow all of these.
Adolf Hitler was never even a Christian. Even if he claimed to be the only way to be a Christian is to believe Jesus died on the cross for our sins fallow God's laws/rules believe in him trust him. That is when the person is a Christian. A person cannot be a Christian if they do not fallow all of these.
I thought you just said there were no bad Christians, now you have just defended the point that there are in fact bad Christians.
BTW Hitler was a firm Christian. Read Mein Kampf, and how he argues for god's creation. He was also a creationist, and argued against evolution.
There are no bad Christians Hitler persecuted the Jews and it says in the Bible not to persecute the other religions and yet he did so he is not a Christian. It does not matter if he argued for God's creation or argued against evolution. If he did not believe Jesus died on the cross for our sins and or fallowed everything you have to do to be a Christian he is not a Christian.
Yes i do believe that God created everything verbatim. I do believe that everything in the Bible is true for if one thing is false then how can you trust the other stuff in the Bible.
Exactly, so why would you trust the bible, which is wrong about people rising from the dead, wrong about demons, wrong about the formation of the universe, wrong about the earth being flat, etc.
So if your daughter is raped, you believe a just punishment for the rapist is paying you a small fine and marrying her? That was a rhetorical question. Surely you do, or you wouldn't be able to trust the "other stuff" in the Bible.
All i can say is that we dont have all of the real bible, so therefore we dont know what is what in religion today. The templars in the time of not the romans but midevil times were invaded by the british empire and completely wiped out and they took all of the 'too reveling' parts out. They have secrets that we dont know today still hidden. So therefore we cant Prove theres a god. The only reasonable answer is the big bang theory. Right at this moment we cant say that theres a god because where did he come from? Gasses and chemicals? Minerals? Where? Exactly you cant prove that he exists. Kthxbai
The bible says it so it must be true? Why am I having trouble with that one? Perhaps a little more critical thinking on your part might open things up.
Maybe you are having trouble with it because of your ignorance to believe in God. God put the words of the Bible through all of the authors. So that means it must be true.
Evolution states that animate came from something inanimate and that everthying that is a manifest property of biological processes and organisms are emergent thereof. Net material is maintained
That goes against the laws of the universe and laws of the universe cannot be wrong. Inanimate objects are not alive so how can something not alive produce something that is alive. IMPOSSIBLE.
That goes against the laws of the universe and laws of the universe cannot be wrong.
if you're going to make such a broad statement then you better support it by referencing those laws. Otherwise you're just speaking on behalf of someone else who told you this.
Inanimate objects are not alive so how can something not alive produce something that is alive. IMPOSSIBLE.
Why can't it? Life is not black and white. Something can be neither living or dead.
An inanimate object, DNA, splits and forms a duplicate, and along with other inanimate organelles produces a new, living cell. DNA is not living, neither is the endoplasmic reticulum or golgi complex, but together with a bunch of other complexes they form something that is alive.
DNA is not an inanimate object it is a living cell.
DNA is not a living cell. It is not life. This is why a virus is not considered to be alive, despite being composed of DNA or RNA, and proteins. DNA itself has no metabolism. A cell is considered to be the simplest unit of life, because it is capable of metabolism, reproduction, homeostasis, etc.
What differentiates a living cell from an inanimate object is its ability to grow and divide, and in the process, replicate its genetic information and pass it on to the daughter cells. Thus, cells transmit hereditary properties from one generation to another.
In any case, being animate is not the same as being alive, however something can be both.
Let's go back about 29 gazillion billion years ago, when I was God's right hand man. He said unto me: I'm bored NVYN! What should I do for some fun?
That's when I told him: Your Eternalness, it's not my place to tell you what you should do, but if I was you, which I'm not and never have the ambition to be, I would create the world...
..... nothing happened for a few gazillion years, I later found out from a trusty source that God was waiting for me to forget about my suggestion so that he wouldn't look stupid when he created the world, so it would look like it was his idea all along.
.... then in the 130947th year (OTLOG), he snapped his fingers, some dust flew out and then he breathed unto the dust and said something magical, and thus matter was created. Since then, God's been creating rules for how the world should be formed: energy and the way it should behave, atoms and the way subatomic particles should behave, magnetic fields and gravity and how they should behave, evolution, how different elements behave, etc.
.... The most fun that God had was when he started creating the living creatures, they were quite a challenge. He actually created 10 different worlds, each with its own unique universe and a different set of rules: for example, in this world gravity sucks things towards it and light travels in a straight line, in another world gravity pushes everything away and light travels in spirals outwards from the source, etc...
... perhaps one day when God gets bored again, he'd allow the different worlds somehow come into contact with each other... you never know...
.... Anyways, I made the mistake of telling him that this whole thing was my idea, so here I am on Earth with all of you... yay!!!
So what is evolution a joke???????????????????????????? You just admitted that evolution did not create the world but if it created the nebulas and gravity then technically it created the worlds.
So what is evolution a joke???????????????????????????? You just admitted that evolution did not create the world but if it created the nebulas and gravity then technically it created the worlds.
Evolution causes life to diversify and fit an environment. Abiogenesis creates life from inanimate matter under certain conditions. Nebulas condense into planets and hydrogen clouds within those nebulas condense into stars, both cases because of gravity. Supernovas create nebulas. The big bang created the vast quantities of hydrogen necessary for the first protostars which exploded into nebulas.
Oh so if the world wasn't created by evolution where did all the stuff you explained about come from without giving me a link that puts evolution in with it.
Oh so if the world wasn't created by evolution where did all the stuff you explained about come from without giving me a link that puts evolution in with it.
I already told you:
Big Bang->Protostar Novas->Nebulas->Suns and planets->Abiogenesis->Evolution.
How did the big bang make everything. You are going to tell something condensed together and exploded what made all the "something" that i am talking about.
How did the big bang make everything. You are going to tell something condensed together and exploded what made all the "something" that i am talking about.
The big bang didn't make everything in the sense of creating something from nothing. The big bang represented a period of intense heat and compression, it created hydrogen and helium, and a number of different types of particles, as well as (in some hypotheses) the basic laws of the universe. It's reasonable to assume that what made up the big bang was the matter and energy from a previous universe that collapsed in on itself, however we don't know if this is true yet.
Where did heat and compression come from tell me when did everything start not just this world and apparently the other universes. Tell me how,and by what.
Where did heat and compression come from tell me when did everything start not just this world and apparently the other universes. Tell me how,and by what.
I believe I already told you. If the universe expands and contracts, it's a cyclical universe without cause or end.
Nobody said that evolution created the world because rocks and junk cant evolve. Only bacteria, and animals or something to that effect can. The gravity on a peice of rock or something got too much and made it implode making an even bigger gravitational pull, therefore pulling stuff together then it had to harden and keep together therefore creating a planet.
The entire universe is dependant on something else. We are dependant on Earth, sun, gravity etc... the sun is dependant on a ballance between gravity and expolding atoms. So, in the center, is a totally independant, self-dependant being God. Everything is winding down. Everything needs something else. If God didn't exist, and the big bang, or "gravity and a lot of space gunk" happened, where would the two thing that collided, or all that space gunk have come from anyway? I fyou say it was there since eternity, then how can you say God wasn't?!?!?!?!
The Earth was created by a man named ZOR , from ancient times. He was traveling through Space on an Asteroid and saw a void in space ,, well ZOR ate Beans that morning , which gave him gas , well he let a fart and created Earth ... well maybe not , actually Think Earth was created by something we will never understand.
