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It is a good idea What the hell is he thinking?
Debate Score:36
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How can Obama consider this!?

Obama wants to lengthen the school days, and cut down on all of our breaks like Christmas Spring break and Summer vacation. His reasoning? We need to catch up with the other countries whose kids are in school 9 hours a day. Instead of a 7 hour day. 

It is a good idea

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What the hell is he thinking?

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4 points

Ask most students and I guarantee you that they will flip out. Personally when I think like a high schooler I think that the idea is ludicrous.

But as I look at it in the long run the idea does not seem so bad. It would really just be aiding us in our quests for knowledge whether or not we want it now, it would only benefit us in the long run.

French that is a fantastic point, my AP teachers now do not have time to teach us the book and most of the time I have to read parts of the text book outside of school. With a longer school day this would only benefit.

Side: It is a good idea
2 points

Why thank you.

It's common sense, really. It seems bad at first, but I love the idea. My time would be worth more, because I wouldn't be expected to go home and learn, wasting my efforts at times, but I could be learning real-time with a person, and ask questions if I have them. Brilliant!

Side: It is a good idea
classof011(68) Disputed
1 point

Some students are not as enthralled to go to school as you are Frenchieak.

Just go to summer school. I know I start to get drowsy by 7th period. Think about having a lengthened class ( maybe one that you do not like ).

What about other kids that have jobs that they have to go to after school? How many employers are going to just give lenience to kids when they have a line of other would be employees that can be there at 4 o'clock on the dot every day that need the money?

Side: What the hell is he thinking?
pvtNobody(642) Disputed
1 point

AP courses are intended to be modeled after college courses, and in most cases you will not cover every testable topic in a college course during the lecture. This, of course, varies from class to class but college professors unanimously assume that students will do reading and practice outside of class and only cover the most important or difficult topics.

That being said, I would challenge you to look at the number of days you spend on any given topic, at the number of times your teacher explains something. As a student I got bored quickly because the teacher was always covering the same topics again and again, this was less of a problem in AP courses but still in evidence. The problem was not, and is not, a difference in intelligence (although in some cases that may have contributed to some degree) but rather a difference in level of interest and dedication to comprehension. No school system will be effective, regardless of how many hours the student is in class, if the student is not willing to learn. In order to truly reform our school system something has to be done to change attitudes of students. Lengthening school days and reducing breaks will not change this and will likely have the opposite effect.

Side: What the hell is he thinking?
3 points

We are lagging behind in education so we need to catch up somehow. So i think obama is on the right track here although more needs to be addressed than simply class time, such as higher standards and more funding for schools

Side: It is a good idea
2 points

I support this idea. More school time will increase the amount of instruction each student receives. I know it seems like it would suck - at first - and that's what I thought. No, I wouldn't 'like' to be at school longer, to have shorter breaks, but I would benefit from it. I would learn more; it's that simple. I could get a better free education and understand the subjects better when I leave. I could take more AP classes, because I would have enough time to learn each subject correctly and understand it better. I know this is an unpopular idea with students, but come on. We would all be a little better off.

Side: It is a good idea

And just think how smart we could be if we went above the standards of any present country's standards!

If we went the full year - three semesters of school - and increased the length of the school day. Think of how much we could learn in one year. I would say about double what we learn now. Our dumbest students would be in calculus and physics by senior year, and the smart ones would be in... I don't know. People would make up more advanced classes. You would have more time to get credit requirements done, you could take vocational and arts classes, and our education system would be the envy of the world. Students would have more time to make up work if they get sick, or take a vacation, which would be more accepted because school is all year long. College would just end up being a review of everything we learned in high school.

I'm telling you, this would be a great idea.

Side: It is a good idea
2 points

Yep, and it's even smarter than that.

Outside of the learning benefits, it will mean more parents will be done with work the same time as their kids, or sooner.

This means less driving if kids don't take a bus, it means less kids home alone, and it means less kids hanging out at school with nothing to do but vandalize and cause trouble.

It's a win for everyone. Even the stupid kids. Here, you don't think American kids are dumb? Look at these Japanese kids, and wonder how a tiny island smaller than most States with few natural resources is the second economic power of the world.

are you effing kidding? get your a** back in school
Side: It is a good idea

This is a great idea! Especially since it doesn't affect me. I mean, I'm done with school. Besides, this new policy should make you guys smarter than me, which shouldn't take much, but still ;)

Side: It is a good idea
1 point

Yes. Public school students are so stupid! (near me at least. lol) I go to a parochial school, though, so we don't need to follow the law. :D I graduate May 13, while the rest of the county graduates in late/mid June!

Side: It is a good idea

That's too bad. I think I have a pretty good public school education, at least it's that way where I live. I almost think public school here is better. I don't know if the local private schools have as many options we do, or have as many opportunities to go to events.

Side: It is a good idea
DaWolfman(3322) Disputed
0 points

I am in a public school taking college courses in the 10th grade, I would hardly describe myself or my fellow students as stupid.

Side: It is a good idea
1 point

Well, MY public school friends aren't the brightest bulbs... In MY area. I've lost touch with the smart clique from public school.

Side: It is a good idea

This is one of the best ideas I've heard in years...and coming from the President makes it even better. He's considered it because he wants our young people to have the best education in the world no matter what the system, private, public or parochial. He wants every student to be ready for undergraduate work that will be more technical and more difficult as years go by.

My grandson, who is going to be 10 in July, is lucky enough to attend a parochial school where he lives. The city school system there has a very bad rating and he's an exceptional student. He loves school now and wouldn't trade it for anything even though it's a much tougher school with much more homework and less time off than the city system.

If we can translate a couple of hours a day and a bit less time off for vacations or breaks and have our children be much brighter and ready for what's next, who can deny that this is a benefit that has no downside?

Parents will also benefit from the plan since many will now be able to work an hour or so more if needed and be home when their children get off the bus. The children are the future and it is vital they receive the best we can give them before their lives take them in different directions and on differing pathways.

I say BRAVO, Mr. President!

Side: It is a good idea
1 point

Yes, Kuklapolitan I completely agree with you. They can have their time be more productive than just having to spend it playing video games when their at home. The economic competition is really tough right now, not just here but around the world and this could help them be more advance with the current demands these days.

Side: It is a good idea
1 point

Yes. Most kids know the names of everyone on American Idol, but are failing math. One of those things is going to help you later in life, and that thing is taught in school.

Side: It is a good idea
2 points

It seems that President Obama’s solution to everything is more. More stimulus, more regulation, more consumption of time. I do not oppose the idea of a change to schedule, I do however object to the lack of real thought that seems to have been put into this plan, at least from the article cited by the debate creator. True students in South Korea spend more time at school and perform better at academics. This does not, however, mean that increasing the hours the American student spends in class will cause them to perform better. As a counter example to the President’s argument I will outline another school system that outperforms the United States: Germany.

Gymnasium (the equivalent of American high school) students rarely have classes after noon. At the same time the average student takes not one, but three foreign languages (generally English, Latin, and French), one or more sciences, at least one math, a history, literature, as well as the electives you would expect. A tenth grade student might well have three foreign languages, two sciences, a math, a history, and literature classes during the same semester. They cover more material in less time than even the most advanced American student could hope to accomplish in the public education system.

So clearly the failing is not in the amount of time that American students are in class. What then is the root of the education gap? It contend that a fundamental difference in societal standards separates American students from their peers in Europe and Asia. The idolization of the “every man” that has characterized the United States since it’s founding places a block to higher education. This perception is continuously reinforced by images conveyed to us both in school and out. Abraham Lincoln, Jonny Appleseed, and Martin Luther King Jr., what do these men have in common? Each of these men are represented to us as men who worked up from nothing, overcoming financial and societal barriers placed before them. This is an important concept in the quest to find the root of the United States educational lag.

Yet at the same time Americans are equally obsessed with the wild antics of the ridiculously wealthy. Figures like Paris Hilton, Brittany Spears, and other actors and actresses captivate the American attention.

This dichotomy is important to understanding why American students are outperformed. At home and at school they’re told that schools isn’t important. Yes, you read that correctly. Lincoln only completed a grand total of 18 months of schooling; the implication being one doesn’t need school to succeed. Academics in all fields are given little or no respect in American society, there is no fame or fortune to be had in science, or history, or math. Students strive to become the next Bill Gates, the next Alex Rodriguez rather than the next Livy, Shakespeare, Jansci von Neumann, or Einstein.

In short, the President has not proposed anything that will alter the fundamental cause of the education gap. Instead he proposes action for the sake of creating the illusion of solving a very real problem. I do not see how adding more time to the school day and year will translate into greater academic achievement. This will simply put greater strain on teachers, parents and students. However, this conclusion is based off of newspaper article, not on any truly substantial evidence. There are signs of real progress to be made in the comments quoted and I will allow the President the benefit of the doubt for the time being. Therefore this argument is as much an opportunity to voice observations of trends in American culture as it is a rebuttal to President.

Side: What the hell is he thinking?
1 point

It would mess up everyones schedule. Kids are in school long enough. An idea that was never picked up was the idea that we have 1 week of school off a month and cut out summer vacation.

Having students stay longer in school only makes them want to sleep and not pay attention to a higher degree. Kids are already half asleep by the end of the day. It would just be a bad idea.

Side: What the hell is he thinking?
0 points

Good thing I'm about to graduate.

Because education seems to be getting worse and worse. If the crappy education we have now isn't improved then It won't matter how long students are at school. Because from my experience a lot of students don't care about their education. That is where the big problem is. They care about their electives. Most kids that are trying to pass are doing it so that they can play basketball.(they are the kids that like Obama and no almost nothing about him) Thats not good. The motivation is in the wrong place. And that's just one little problem that we have with education. So before we go and change the schedule lets try to fix the main problems that exist.

Where did you hear this by the way?

Side: I graduate in June
1 point

Bradenton Tribune,

This is a news paper and it was in an article in the newspaper that I read. ( 50 character limit )

http://www.bradenton.com/news/story/1284933.html

Side: It is a good idea
1 point

You may graduate in June, but I graduate in May :D and I'm so excited to graduate a month before anyone else near me.

Side: I graduate in May
0 points

yeah, fuckin' bullshit.

I mean, i know every year i look back to the grade before me and think "i guess that was necessary", but i could never think that we need more school for kids. most teens have jobs and things called LIVES. just cause Obama was a nerd his young life who didn't party or hang out with friends doesn't mean everyone else has to suffer.

Side: What the hell is he thinking?
-1 points

I'm trying to weasel my way out of high school as it is. Like, apparently in Utah the state owns your ass if your under 18 and your parents are just 'caretakers'. You literally cannot quit high school. They take you to court. I should know.

Ugghhhh...

Side: What the hell is he thinking?