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How do Trump supporters feel about his Saudi arms deal ?

Donald Trump blamed the Saudis in the past for masterminding 9  /11 yet he signs an arms deal for 110 billion dollars ;  a fair proportion of Trump supporters give out yards about Muslims and terrorism yet collectively turn a blind eye to their president kissing the ass of the Saudi leadership .

Are Americans not enraged that their president is supporting the regime that brought such misery on decent Americans as in 9/11 ? 

Saudi Arabia is a hell hole which practices the most savage form of Islam as in Wahhabism , sharia law is the law of the kingdom yet Donald sees no problem in ass Kissing these brutes.

Trump famously mocked Obama for bowing to Saudis leader and guess what...   he did  the very same himself .


The Independent 

Donald Trump has signed the largest arms deal in history with Saudi Arabia despite warnings he could be accused of being complicit in war crimes and after blaming Saudi Arabia himself for producing the terrorists behind 9/11.

The President confirmed he had signed a weapons deal with the Saudis worth $109.7 billion, predicted to grow to a $380 billion Saudi investment within 10 years, during his first trip abroad since his Inauguration.

Mr Trump’s Press Secretary Sean Spicer said the deal was positive news for American employment and the economy. 

You can predict most of the things Trump will do based on his past tweets. If he criticized someone for something in the past, you can almost guarantee he will do the same thing he criticized them for. Here is a very long list of examples that is growing rapidly. Clicking on the big links will take you directly to his tweet. Clicking on the tiny comments links underneath each big link will give you examples of his hypocrisy.

outlaw60(15368) Clarified
3 points

Bruce Riedel

Senior Fellow - Foreign Policy, Center for 21st Century Security and Intelligence, Center for Middle East Policy Director - The Intelligence Project

Mr. Riedel writes :

Last month, President Trump visited Saudi Arabia and his administration announced that he had concluded a $110 billion arms deal with the kingdom. Only problem is that there is no deal. It’s fake news.

I’ve spoken to contacts in the defense business and on the Hill, and all of them say the same thing: There is no $110 billion deal. Instead, there are a bunch of letters of interest or intent, but not contracts. Many are offers that the defense industry thinks the Saudis will be interested in someday. So far nothing has been notified to the Senate for review. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency, the arms sales wing of the Pentagon, calls them “intended sales.” None of the deals identified so far are new, all began in the Obama administration.

If you have more information than Mr. Riedel and are far more intelligent than he is then please prove both points.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/markaz/2017/06/05/the-110-billion-arms-deal-to-saudi-arabia-is-fake-news/

Dermot(5736) Disputed
1 point

Absolute nonsense unless of course the White House is lying as well as everyone else ..............

My points have been proven and how does it feel you a Muslim hater seeing Donald curtesy like a lap dog to the king of Saudi ?

The United States sealed a multibillion arms deal with Saudi Arabia, the White House announced on Saturday, a move that solidifies its decades-long alliance with the world's largest oil exporter just as President Donald Trump begins his maiden trip abroad as leader of the free world.

The agreement, which is worth $350 billion over 10 years and $110 billion that will take effect immediately, was hailed by the White House as "a significant expansion of…[the] security relationship" between the two countries.

Simultaneously, Saudi Arabia is in a broad-based push for economic reform, and as part of that effort signed a flurry of deals with private U.S. companies worth tens of billions of dollars.

2 points

His hypocrisy is breathtaking a fair amount of his supporters bleat on and on about Muslims and terrorism yet think it's perfectly fine for the man with the most powerful job in the world to curtesy to a Muslim tyrant who rules his nation with a fist of iron ; Trump directly blamed the Saudis for 9 /11 and a sizeable amount of extremists and terrorists are from the ' Kingdom' yet his supporters remain mute on the issue .

I seriously thought more Americans would be absolutely outraged this is total disrespect for the victims of 9/11 by their own president

Thanks for the link 👌😊

Here's an interesting piece by Leif Wenar from the L A Times ......

“It's the world's biggest funder of terrorism. Saudi Arabia funnels our petrodollars, our very own money, to fund the terrorists that seek to destroy our people.”

So said Donald Trump, private citizen. But then President Trump made Saudi Arabia his very first foreign destination. Trump rode in a golf cart with King Salman, did a traditional sword dance and speechified about America’s great friendship with “the Magnificent Kingdom.”

What changed Trump’s mind? Apparently, $110 billion. That’s how much the Saudis announced Saturday that they’ll spend to buy advanced American weaponry — one of the biggest arms deals in history.

This weapons deal, the president said, is all about U.S. jobs. Yet how many Americans want to work to arm the country that, as Citizen Trump said, “blew up the World Trade Center”?

Fifteen of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 were Saudis. The 9/11 Commission report found that Saudi society “was a place where al Qaeda raised money directly from individuals and through charities,” and that it was likely that “charities with significant Saudi government sponsorship diverted funds to al Qaeda.” Although the Saudis have made some progress in cutting back such support since 2001, massive amounts of funding still go from Saudi Arabia to extremist groups. So Citizen Trump was right: Saudi Arabia still “funnels our petrodollars, our very own money, to fund the terrorists.”

The Saudis have spent between $70 billion and $100 billion transforming once-tolerant Muslim communities from Pakistan to Paris into wellsprings of extremism.

3 points

As one of our few allies in the Middle East it is vital that their weaponry is up dated on a regular basis and it is best that the U.S, provides the 'hardware'

One of our most dangerous potential, if not actual enemies in this part of the world is Iran and there needs to be a strong pro western force to balance the ever present Iranian threat and their constant efforts to destabilize the entire region.

There are those who argue that the Saudi Monarchy rules the country with a 'big stick' but have they not noticed what happens in these Muslim countries when the 'hard men' are deposed and replaced with a puppet western style government?

They should look at Iraq and Libya and note that the ruthless dictatorships were the lesser of the two evils.

The west must realize that our values, morals and system of government does not work in these Arab nations.

This self evident truth has been demonstrated many times and at the expense of western civilians and their armed forces.

Once the strong, maybe better described as brutal, leaderships have been replaced with either a weak administration or none at all then in move the terrorists such as I.S.I.S, and religious fanatics who slaughter and repress the populations and use their newly acquired country as a base from which to attack the west.

Dermot(5736) Clarified
1 point

Interesting piece ; the Saudis and their particular brand of Islam is behind a fair amount of Islamist terrorist attacks worldwide and indeed provides funding for such attacks they're promoters of the brutal form of Islam as in Wahhabism , as allies of the US can they even be trusted , 15 Saudis were involved in the 9/11 attacks

You claim a weak leadership in Saudi might have the likes of ISIS and religious fanatics holding sway ?

They already do , religious fanatacism is normal in Saudi and brutality against its own is par for the course as in the crushing of Shia Muslims who attempted to speak out about discrimination under the dominant Sunni Muslim leadership .

Saudis links to ISIS were famously uncovered in a cache of e mails from the office of Hillary Clinton when she was Secretary of State in 2013 ; the emails provided proof that the Saudis were and still are providing financial and logistic support for ISIS and other radical Sunni groups .

I find it shameful that 15 Saudis were linked in the 9/11 attack and Trump breads bread with these animals .

Cocopops(347) Clarified
3 points

I am aware of numerous spurious accusations which have been made against the Saudi regime but am also conscious they have vehemently denied the allegations for which there has been absolutely no tangible evidence presented.

The absence of irrefutable proof has spawned a spiteful crusade of innuendos and unsubstantiated allegations which have mushroomed into the realms of a Hollywood spy movie and led to the barroom pseudo C.I.A. agents spewing out their speculative bullshit as if it were absolutely true and that the nation's intelligence agencies provided them with copies of all top secret reports on the matter.

From where and from whom did these accusations originate?

Did the accusers support their charges with bone-fide documented evidence?

If such evidence exists where is it and why is it not in the public domain?

Why hasn't the investigative, mischievous media produced documentary accounts of the alleged terrorist funding?

Has the intelligence agencies not briefed the President on this damning revelation?

Do you, or does anyone really think that President Trump would accept a multi billion dollar arms contract from a regime dedicated to destroying the west?

Every nation will have it's Mavericks who will follow their own agenda regardless of the policies and loyalties of the hierarchy.

The Saudi Monarchy remains an ally of the United States in a region of the world where we need all the support we can muster.

At the moment the scales of Saudi allegiance weighs heavily in our favor, but should they pivot onto the negative then we could let the dogs off the leash.

In the meantime I feel that this issue is no more than the ''trendies' jumping on the fashionable bandwagon of Trump bashing.

No matter what President Trump achieves for the American people there will always be an enthusiastic gang all too ready to demean his accomplishments and engage in the campaign of his character assassination.

It's because of real people like President Donald Trump that such phonies can get a free ride and enjoy the luxury of snipping from their Ivory Towers.

3 points

Bruce Riedel

Senior Fellow - Foreign Policy, Center for 21st Century Security and Intelligence, Center for Middle East Policy Director - The Intelligence Project

Mr. Riedel writes:

Last month, President Trump visited Saudi Arabia and his administration announced that he had concluded a $110 billion arms deal with the kingdom. Only problem is that there is no deal. It’s fake news.

I’ve spoken to contacts in the defense business and on the Hill, and all of them say the same thing: There is no $110 billion deal. Instead, there are a bunch of letters of interest or intent, but not contracts. Many are offers that the defense industry thinks the Saudis will be interested in someday. So far nothing has been notified to the Senate for review. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency, the arms sales wing of the Pentagon, calls them “intended sales.” None of the deals identified so far are new, all began in the Obama administration.

You are either an internet intellectual that knows more than Mr. Riedel or you are just another low information Leftist that feeds at the trough of propaganda. The latter is very fitting for you.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/markaz/2017/06/05/the-110-billion-arms-deal-to-saudi-arabia-is-fake-news/

Dermot(5736) Disputed
1 point

So your own White House is lying ?

Your president is supplying arms to the Saudis who had 15 of their people involved in 9 /11 and he bowed his head like a cowardly dog to the leader of theses animals ; how do you feel about that ?

The United States sealed a multibillion arms deal with Saudi Arabia, the White House announced on Saturday, a move that solidifies its decades-long alliance with the world's largest oil exporter just as President Donald Trump begins his maiden trip abroad as leader of the free world.

The agreement, which is worth $350 billion over 10 years and $110 billion that will take effect immediately, was hailed by the White House as "a significant expansion of…[the] security relationship" between the two countries.

Simultaneously, Saudi Arabia is in a broad-based push for economic reform, and as part of that effort signed a flurry of deals with private U.S. companies worth tens of billions of dollars.

outlaw60(15368) Clarified
3 points

Bruce Riedel

Senior Fellow - Foreign Policy, Center for 21st Century Security and Intelligence, Center for Middle East Policy Director - The Intelligence Project

Mr. Riedel writes:

Last month, President Trump visited Saudi Arabia and his administration announced that he had concluded a $110 billion arms deal with the kingdom. Only problem is that there is no deal. It’s fake news.

I’ve spoken to contacts in the defense business and on the Hill, and all of them say the same thing: There is no $110 billion deal. Instead, there are a bunch of letters of interest or intent, but not contracts. Many are offers that the defense industry thinks the Saudis will be interested in someday. So far nothing has been notified to the Senate for review. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency, the arms sales wing of the Pentagon, calls them “intended sales.” None of the deals identified so far are new, all began in the Obama administration.

You are either an internet intellectual that knows more than Mr. Riedel or you are just another low information Leftist that feeds at the trough of propaganda. The latter is very fitting for you.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/markaz/2017/06/05/the-110-billion-arms-deal-to-saudi-arabia-is-fake-news/

Take up your problems with Mr. Riedel as i said you seem to know more than he does.

How did you feel about Obama's Iran deal. Assume we feel like that.

Dermot(5736) Disputed
1 point

Is Obama president now or Trump ? ..................... .....................