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How do you explain the high degree of design and order in the universe if there

How do you explain the high degree of design and order in the universe if there is no God?

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Design and order? Are you joking? We perceive it all very slowly. Speed it all up and you'll have your chaos. Stars expanding and scorching nearby planets, supernovas everywhere, gas clouds forming new stars, blackholes sucking in everything, galaxies moving in various directions, galaxies clashing together, gas giants with various differing moons, planets that are very cold, planets that are very hot, etc. Meteors plunging into planets, super-volcanoes, floods, storms, tornadoes. Where's order and design in all that? Seems pretty random to me.

You mean particles and stuff? How could it not be similar everywhere if it came from the same place, one unified spot? If it weren't similar we could not exist as we do. Atoms have isotopes. Photons have different frequencies. I'm rather certain all the rest also differ, just too little for us to perceive.

There's a soup out there, and last I ate it wasn't exactly orderly.

Say you're right, how does that lead to religion? The furthest one can get with this line of thought is deism. You aren't arguing for deism are you?

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I'm willing to believe, provided basic consistent subatomic properties, that for things to be so different is to:

A) be more improbable than things mostly having likeness, AND

B) discredit the human mind's ability to make associations based on conditioning and from a closed field of view which may not interpret things as truthful as things actually are.

infinite universes, this specific one would have to exist, but the fine tuned theory is an interesting one

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I'm afraid you're going to have to do more to describe this order you perceive. What I see is our orderly mind naturally seeking order where there is none. Ironically every pattern of nature and the universe we've observed has a scientific basis thus far... except the .00 whatever seconds after the Big Bang (okay, and Magnatrons. We don't get Magnatrons and a couple other things. Considering how much stuff there is, that's not too bad). That .00 seconds doubtless will turn into .000 whatever, then .0000 etc. Always giving theists something to cling to.

I don't want to depress you Saliwash. There's a big heaven and you'll live forever. I'm just a dumb heathen ;)

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How do you explain the high degree of design and order in the universe if there is no God?

....natural phenomena.