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 How is God different from a rapist? He forces His will on people. (15)

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How is God different from a rapist? He forces His will on people.

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Because He doesn't force His willy on people. ;)

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Philippians 2:13 - "for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure."

God gives us our desires. No one complains about how our desires simply come to us. We don't choose to want things; we simply want them.

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I think its more religion and mans interpretation of God that is the mental rape, the universe or God seeks only balance and could care less one way or another.

Very well said. Sometimes I feel like religion is a giant mind rape. I told some Baptist chick how I was upset about being raped and she said to thank God for everything. i said no way would I ever thank God for being raped. I think she is an abuse survivor judging from her fear of free thought so I cant really judge her too much.

I don't see any evidence of a god or gods forcing will on others, even indirectly. Is this because of the whole hell/undesirable afterlife thing? You know, the threat of severe punishment if the god or gods aren't obeyed? Because if that's all it is, then governments, police officers, teachers, parents, and any number of other individuals and groups could be likened to rapists with the exact same reasoning.

I'll grant that there are some who try to force their own will on others in the name of a god or gods, but we're still talking about the individual or group interpreting the writings/beliefs of the greater religion in terms of their own will; the god/gods is/are not enforcing will on anyone, and the will being enforced isn't necessarily that of the god/gods- if they even exist.

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Sometimes the way people talk about cops and government, rapist would be an improvement. ;)

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Oh, no doubt, but it still seems like this is diluting the term significantly :P

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The whole Hell thing is worse than rape. An eternity of trture for not being perfect? I dont like it at all. My father was a son of a bitch but even I would not send him to Hell.

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How do you know the whole hell thing is worse than rape? What does hell mean to you? I'll agree that nothing anyone could accomplish within a human lifespan is worth severe eternal torture; not even the actions of hitler warrant this. But is that what hell is?

If hell even exists, nobody living has been there to tell the story. There aren't descriptions of eternal suffering present in the bible; there is something referred to as a lake of fire, but that is also referred to as the second death, and the ultimate fate of the devil- from the way it's written, it seems more like oblivion than torture.

Are you basing your idea of hell on Dante? Many interpretations of what 'hell' is in regards to Christianity is not torture and flame as presented by Dante, but rather simply suffering due to being unable to feel the presence of god. Perhaps this is its own kind of torture?

Moreover, few denominations of christianity demand perfection from followers.

Comparing god to a rapist is a huge stretch at best, I'd say. And seriously, these comparisons need to stop. They aren't underscoring how bad whatever they are describing are- the only effects are negative; firstly, these comparisons come across as blatantly ridiculous under any kind of scrutiny- this costs the speaker credibility. Secondly, they dilute the term 'rape' and by doing so downplay the suffering of actual rape victims.

What if it's akin to imprisonment? Many areas of the US eschew the death penalty in favor of life imprisonment. Essentially, we lock people up for the rest of their lives (in theory; in practice a 'life sentence' is actually finite) rather than killing them. This is, essentially, a statement that the individual is not salvageable and cannot ever be integrated back into society. Generally, we're talking 20-60 years of imprisonment, with some exceptions here. If the life expectancy was ~800 instead of ~80, do you think we'd still only lock these people up for a couple decades? I expect life sentences would still be a thing, only much longer. Take that life expectancy out to infinity, and presume that the individual is not salvageable and cannot integrate back into society. What do you do? Give them a slap on the wrist and let them out? Just kill[lake of fire/second death] them? Or simply give them the eternal version of a life sentence?

Taking that a step farther- maybe hell isn't eternal; perhaps ones time in hell is in fact akin to a prison sentence, cranked up to a significantly longer timeframe.

Your comparison of god to a rapist seems to be completely predicated on your concept of what hell is, and I dont see any reason to even believe in hell itself, much less this particular depiction of it.