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Debate Score:132
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How many candlelight vigils will it take?

    

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They certainly help people grieve and come to terms with what happened. I saw a video on twitter of children lying dying in Barcelona, on street where I was only a few week ago. I brought me to tears. But what can be done? Changing the way we treat millions of people each year is not acceptable to me. I couldn't stand at the border, look people in the eye and say "no sorry, there is a 1 in 50 million (literally) chance you are a terrorist, I can't let you in", so I cant expect the government to either.

Also we have to keep things in perspective... in the USA there are approximately 73 deaths by terrorist attack per year. There are 47 by lightening, and 22 by cows making it about as likely that you will get killed in a terrorist attack as killed by a cow or struck by lightening. Should we be careful in storms and around cows? Sure. Should we detriment our lives or the lives of others in order to achieve it? Fuck no.

https://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/stories/11-animals-more-likely-to-kill-you-than-sharks

https://www.google.de/search?q=chance+of+being+struck+by+lightning&rlz;=1C1CHBF_enDE753DE753&oq;=chance+of+being+&aqs;=chrome.1.69i57j0l5.4532j0j9&sourceid;=chrome&ie;=UTF-8

http://www.businessinsider.de/death-risk-statistics-terrorism-disease- accidents-2017-1?r=US&IR;=T

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The difference is cows and lightning have no intent or motive to kill you. Terrorists do. We can't prevent cows or lightning. We can prevent terrorists from entering our country.

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Atrag(5666) Disputed
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The difference is cows and lightning have no intent or motive to kill you.

I dont see how the motive is relevant when we are discussing whether to change policy that affects innocent people as collateral damage.

. We can't prevent cows or lightning. We can prevent terrorists from entering our country.

Wrong. We can ban cows from the country and introduce laws that prevent people leaving the house during a storm.

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marcusmoon(576) Clarified
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I understand the attitude that playing the odds is a kinder and prettier decision, with low terror risk due to improbability and uncertain impact. Your analogical risk assessment is logically valid.

However, the laws and policies of any country are not created and enforced for the benefit of those outside the country, but for the country's citizens. How we feel about the conditions and people in other places is a red herring, and should have no impact on any domestic public policies, including those regarding immigration.

All policies regarding immigration, whatever they are (visa types and numbers, Permanent Legal Resident numbers, country of origin requirements or limitations, etc.) should be made EXCLUSIVELY on the basis of what is CALCULATED to be good for the majority of the nation's CITIZENS. For example it would be irresponsible for the Spanish government to take the desires and needs of Americans into account when structuring Spanish immigration policy.

What I (in the USA) find amazing is how little hard data is available for people to use to figure out what US citizens actually need from our immigration policies. The only part of the discussion where people show up with hard data seems to be in regard to terrorism, and there the emotions are the primary focus, not the facts.

Don't you find that odd and a little depressing?

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Sign on wall in a predominately Muslim area of Birmingham, England.

''NO WHITES ALLOWED AFTER 8 P.M.''( see news report on Yahoo)

The 'no go zones' for whites are becoming more wide spread throughout the loony left infested and weak political liberalism of the U.K. and indeed, even more so, in Europe.

You Yanks don't know how fortunate you are to have a President who is aware of the ever growing threat to western civilization by 'everyday' Muslims.

This is what the electorate of the European Countries have, through electing left wingers into power, done to their country and the shocking legacy they have spawned for future generations.

The political appeasers condescendingly bellow about how we shouldn't let the ongoing Muslim terrorist atrocities cause expressions of anti- Muslim sentiments but fail to mention that it was/is they who are responsible for the existence of these Muslim murderers in our midst.

As innocent men and women lie dead and horrifically maimed on the streets of Barcelona one politician warned of the dangers of an anti Islamic backlash and stated that ''A MORE EFFECTIVE WAY OF DEALING WITH ISLAMIC TERRORISTS WOULD HAVE TO BE FORMULATED''.

After years of Europeans being blown to smithereens, cut in two with automatic gun fire and mown down with heavy goods vehicles, this fucking moron comes up with the profound declaration;- we must come up with more effective ways to deal with terrorism.

For what it's worth my advice to Americans is;- Listen to and heed your astute President.

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It's a self evident truth that the governments of Europe cannot protect their citizens from the terrorist outrages which they themselves, through their blind stupidity, created and continue to exacerbate by adding to the Muslim population within their respective countries.

For many years certain private European citizens were issued with personal protection weapons ( P.P.Ws.) in a highly regulated way,and was quite commonplace in Northern Ireland which of course is part of the U.K.,/Europe.

I was issued with a legally licensed .38 Smith & Weston P.P.W., along with 25 rounds of ammunition due to the high level of terrorist activity and, along with many others, because I was under particular threat.

It must be clear to even a shortsighted dimwit on a galloping horse from a mile off that if properly profiled and vetted citizens had been armed the carnage in the Paris and Nice Muslim atrocities.could have been significantly reduced if the assailants had been neutralized in the early stages of the attacks.

What's retarding the instigation of such a policy is the narrative of the 'hand wringing' loony left brigade, lack of political courage and moral fibre.

The politicians openly invite those who bring death and destruction to the streets of Europe yet deny their citizens their, much vaunted, ''human right' of the means by which to protect themselves.

On the day before the Spanish atrocity their navy rescued some 600 Muslim immigrants from the sea, some of whom will become radicalized and murder the citizens of their adopted countries.

This is what happened in Paris where one of the Muslim terrorists was given asylum at the age of 5 years old.

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Soon the citizens of Europe will become immune to the daily diet of listening to and reading about the detailed news of the latest act of deadly Islamic terrorism on their streets.

The dead and maimed will become meaningless statistics while the politicians huff and puff their senseless rhetoric as the general public are murdered in their own country by assassins who they, the politicians imported.

In my books the politicians, past and present are implicit in the murders of their citizens through their criminal negligence and refusal to adopt the measures necessary to stop or minimize the bloodbaths in their countries.

Politicians should be charged with, and tried for their involvement in these acts of Islamic terrorism.

All the candle burning, prayers and the insincere political oratory is a wholly inadequate substitute for the radical measures which will have to be implemented if the Muslim massacres are to be terminated.

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Those on the right are being ''MARGINALIZED'' on this site.

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excon(18261) Disputed
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Hello A:

OMG! You poor poor whiny little bitches.............

excon

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How many candlelit vigils will it take before you realise legalising guns is a bad idea, you 13th century nincompoop? How many mass shootings before you stop making bullshit excuses about why we shouldn't control guns?

Your double standards are, as ever, extraordinary.

After last night when you went back and changed your posts two hours after writing them, what is the point in even arguing with you?

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How many candlelit vigils will it take before you realise legalising guns is a bad idea, you 13th century nincompoop

Seeing that most gun homicides are gang on gang, and gangs are loaded with minorities, are you suggesting that we crack down on the Southern border and end this madness once and for all?

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Quantumhead(749) Disputed Banned
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Seeing that most gun homicides are gang on gang

How exactly do "gang on gang gun homicides" make it a good idea to sell guns to gang members?

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How many mass shootings before you stop making bullshit excuses about why we shouldn't control guns

Give us this massive list of mass shootings that aren't Islamic or minorities in gangs.

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Quantumhead(749) Disputed Banned
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Give us this massive list of mass shootings that aren't Islamic or minorities in gangs.

You are fucking literally mad. You know full well that there are plenty of mass shootings in which the perpetrators are white Americans, so as per usual you are talking complete and utter shit. Furthermore, you are again trying to point the finger for shootings anywhere but at guns.

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what is the point in even arguing with you?

It looks like you found yet another reason to.

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Did liberal academia not teach this generation when to use the letter "z"?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/legalize

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Quantumhead(749) Disputed Banned
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Did liberal academia not teach this generation when to use the letter "z"?

I'm English you complete retard. We use British English, not American English. You are misusing my language, not the other way around.

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