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True. Wait..., what? No!
Debate Score:47
Arguments:41
Total Votes:50
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How to determine who's at fault when someone gets shot.

If a cop shoots someone,
it's the cop's fault.

If a criminal shoots someone,
It's the gun's fault.

True.

Side Score: 15
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Wait..., what? No!

Side Score: 32

I'm not saying it's logical, I'm saying that's the way the media seems to portray it ;)

Side: True.
2 points

I disagree on both counts! If a cop does it, he(she) is a professional, it should be looked at, and, if they weren't professional, hang'em!

If it's a criminal, it's not the guns fault in ANY case! It's the NRA's and Moscow Mitch's fault BECAUSE we have crazy gun laws! :-)

Side: Wait..., what? No!
Chinaman(957) Clarified
1 point

Criminals have no guns. Now that is a standard Democrat response.

Side: True.
JamesDD(234) Clarified
2 points

Criminals have no guns. Now that is a standard Democrat response.

That's a standard right wing distortion. "Criminals" is an extremely large group of disparate individuals and characters, with different jobs, religions, races, motivations and desires. Illegalising guns and attaching a five year automatic prison sentence to anybody caught with one dissuades all but the most hardened and determined criminals from obtaining one. In other words, an extremely small proportion of criminals, which you are artificially inflating into all criminals simply because you're a duplicitous toerag with no intention whatsoever of sticking to the cold hard facts.

Side: True.
1 point

No, it's your fault for making stupid memes which throw people into convenient, neat little boxes like "criminals". What about the guys who aren't criminals when they buy guns, but then get excited by the rush of power it gives them, and decide they want to start robbing and shooting people? What about those guys?

That anybody blames the gun is a stupid and false straw man argument invented by pro-gun nuts in the NRA who have spent the last few decades practicing advertising slogans and smear campaigns. Blame doesn't even come into it. The simple fact of matters is that if you take away someone's gun, they can't use it to shoot anybody. And people not getting shot should be a high priority mission for any civilised society. There is a simple solution to America's gun violence problem which countless other countries have already implemented. Discussing it with Americans is de facto pointless because by the very nature of refusing that solution you have already demonstrated that you are not rational. There is an irrational argument in your country between people who want to continue as you are, with 50,000 preventable deaths each year, and those who think enough is enough. That maybe the second amendment hasn't really given you freedom, but the tyranny of perpetual paranoia. It's a similar argument as the one which rages on about climate change in that one of you is absolutely right, while the other is making money from death and selling it as freedom (to kill yourselves, apparently).

Side: Wait..., what? No!

and decide they want to start robbing and shooting people? What about those guys?

They are called "criminals" ;)

The simple fact of matters is that if you take away someone's gun, they can't use it to shoot anybody.

So take guns away from cops so they can't shoot anybody ;)

Every day, 100 Americans are killed with guns. https://everytownresearch.org/gun-violence-america/

On average, 102 people are killed in car accidents per day. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MotorvehiclefatalityrateinU.S.by_year

Maybe we should take cars away too ;)

Side: Wait..., what? No!
JamesDD(234) Disputed
2 points

They are called "criminals"

No they aren't. You pro-gun twerps are just so obnoxious to try to reason with because you literally cut out the fourth dimension of space when you're arguing about guns. You are not a criminal until you are convicted in a court of law of a crime. That's how crime works pal. And that process can take years or even decades. In the meantime, you're free to buy as many guns as you feel like. Banning people from owning guns AFTER they've committed a mass shooting, or a homicide, or a suicide, OBVIOUSLY ISN'T GOING TO HAVE THE INTENDED EFFECT OF HELPING MATTERS, is it you total unadulterated numpty?

So take guns away from cops so they can't shoot anybody

The cops wouldn't need guns if everybody in your entire country wasn't armed you bafflingly irrational bag of monkey nuts.

Side: True.
1 point

Please do not try to confuse the Rabid Democrats. Electric cars will not kill anyone.

Side: Wait..., what? No!
Chinaman(957) Clarified
1 point

Naming NRA gun manufacturers would help your argument. Climate change is an argument for guns.

Side: True.
Chinaman(957) Clarified
1 point

Criminals cannot be criminals because the NRA says so. Bill of Rights has nothing to do with tyranny but perpetual paranoia is a driving factor of the paranoid.

Side: True.
Chinaman(957) Clarified
1 point

Criminals have been known to purchase multiple firearms from a gun store and the gun show loophole allows them to buy firearms by the tractor trailer load.

Side: True.

If someone breaks into someone else's house, it's the criminal's fault he or she was shot.

Side: Wait..., what? No!
Phormless(5) Clarified
1 point

It could be argued that it's the people's (who own the houses) fault for having an insecure house, in the same way.

To argue that failure to be invulnerable is the fault of the victimised is a truth in all games and scenarios but it doesn't mean it's empathetic or even fair. After all, we didn't choose to end up in the situations that we ended up in, we only chose how to go about the situation once already in it.

Side: True.
YeshuaBought(2441) Clarified
1 point

If the criminnnnnnnnnnnal does nnnnnnnnnnot want to be shot, he or she should not break in someone's house. Security systems are like most forms of birth control, they can fail. Second, victim blaming from a leftist is awefully ironic, whennnnnnnnnnn leftists purport to be above such behavior.

Side: True.