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India is in my personal list of countries to keep an eye on over the next thirty years. I think they're a good contender for superpower status before the end of this century.
{}...mr,over the next 30 years india will b leading world in economy,it have vry robust future th8's why 94&#xge;rman companies plan to inc and insure their bussiness with india...indian pharmaceuticals industry will be leader in nxt 10 years .dont panic about future of india bcuz india is future.jai hind
{}...mr,over the next 30 years india will b leading world in economy,it have vry robust future th8's why 94&#xge;rman companies plan to inc and insure their bussiness with india...indian pharmaceuticals industry will be leader in nxt 10 years .dont panic about future of india bcuz india is future.jai hind
{}...mr,over the next 30 years india will b leading world in economy,it have vry robust future th8's why 94ge;rman companies plan to inc and insure their bussiness with india...indian pharmaceuticals industry will be leader in nxt 10 years .dont panic about future of india bcuz india is future.jai hind
surely people with half knowledge speak too much you know what they watch SLUMDOGG and they think its all real this guy surely has no mind ask which country he belongs to and why his country is begging talented Indian young men to come there and work for there companies cuz their people don't have any mind India has 19.7% growth of millionaires 4% more than U.S.
i am satisfied with the above points because in India the latest data mentioned by the multinational companies is signifies that India is in the 5th ranking.
and i just want to clarify one thing to others that till now India is the only country to have so many big and multinational companies just like,dell,rebook, Adidas,Samsung, Nokia,
and one thing that reliance is the only company from India which is world class and every one is using.
and also the BCCI chairman has now become the ICC member.
and BCCI is the richest board of world.
in every criteria India is proving himself to be very self sufficient for the world.
India is the world's second largest growing economy... after just 60 yrs of independence... after nearly 200 yrs of colonial rule under the British - who in that period robbed India of its vast wealth and heritage.
The point I'm making is that the Americans and the British are very proud of their wealth .... which is nothing but the looted booty from all their colonies. During the great depression it was the Indian gold that stabilized the entire western market.
Saying that India can't lead the world is like saying that a newborn child cant walk... but like a child learns to walk and run in sometime.... India will lead the world... certainly in some time...
I'll tell you how not... Because the rest of the India is busy complaining that there is nothing right going on with it while the rest of the countries actually show the patriotism.
That while India is sinking and not only because the politicians are not right but also because the citizens don't give a damn.
I'm sorry mitgag for being this straight but I found your comment a little too ingnorant. I mean we are Indians and we just go on complaining. If you are not willing to see anything positive, if your so negatively inclined, forget moving closer to leading the World. We'll still have people dying for food, farmers commting suicide. It is essential that India sees it's light through it's own people. Cuz we make it after all. Don't we?
India, a country of 1.2 billion people that is more than the population of G8 combined, is definately going to lead the world in coming future. Those who don't believe should wait and watch.
They have the population, which means they have the cheap labor. Their economic status is rising by the year, and though they will not be able to catch the states, they are still contenders.
I don't share the same opinion that they won't be able to catch the states. There are quite a few countries that are going to pass the U.S in the future.
india definately has the potential to lead the world............we have everything needed......execpt for some selfconfidence.............which is coming up
Well Excuse me for that but I don't think that only self-confidence is missing but many things like understanding among each of us (as said by joecavalry), hard-work which people don't do (because govt. provides them free services, etc. instead of providing them good education, not only schools till the elementary education); better health facilities (not hose dirty, irregular govt. dispensaries of municipal hospitals, so that people do not fall ill regularly and make others also ill); training in skilled works, like motor repairing, painting, etc in schools to some students who want to opt for that and teach them these skills so that they can do something in their life to at least earn their living themselves, so govt. doesn't need to provide free useless facilities to them, but the current education system is just producing 'Jacks of all, But Masters of none'.)
So now, do you really think that we have everything but self-confidence? Oh sorry, I forgot to discuss about corruption, which is the main component which keeps India from developing. The money given by the central govt. for development of people (like schools, hospitals, etc.) or the physical area (roads, electric poles, etc.), finally goes into the pockets of some pious Indian Government Officials as black money. So now, what do you think????
You think that a poverty struck country ( 25% of population below poverty line ), with so many different languages that none actually holds over 50% of the population, a country who would have to almost quadruple its GDP to match the USA's, and under 10 percent of the population are internet users.
Sound like a country that is going to surpass the USA in 20 years?
The answer to that question, is actually no.
That and as the numbers of those in poverty increases, the population ceases to slow down as it increases.
They will catch China in population, however thats because China took a smarter path and limited the amount of children a family can have.
I REALLY don't understand what this different languages bullshit actually means?!?!
Look at India 10 years ago. Look at it now. Look at it in another 10 years. Then another 10 years.
These aren't my statistics anyway. It's the general economical census.
However MAYBE I'm getting confused with China.. and India is 30 years or something...
under 10 percent of the population are internet users.
Under 5 years ago barely anybody had a mobile phone. Now, nearly everyone has one.
You should also take into account the cultural difference. No matter how much you think Indians and computers go hand in hand.. it's not really a major part of many of their lives... they're community and group based people, not individual lonely peoples.
If you're in a country where 50% of the people don't understand what the other half is saying, how can we as a people be expected to make progress?
No matter how much you think Indians and computers go hand in hand..
I don't, and since most Indians do not go hand in hand with computers that is a problem.
Under 5 years ago barely anybody had a mobile phone. Now, nearly everyone has one.
Well since less than 50% 0f the population has a cell phone, I find that to be a bold statement. That and we are talking about cell phones right? How long have they been around, 20 years? India is just now integrating cell phones into daily life, sounds like they're moving pretty slow to me. But hey I'm not biased.
However MAYBE I'm getting confused with China.. and India is 30 years or something...
30? What happened to 20?
I'm sorry how could you possibly be confusing the 2. Population doesn't equal power anymore mate, we don't fight with sticks anymore. China's GDP is increasing, with or without their population following suit.
You also failed to address how a country that has 25% of its population in poverty going to surpass the USA, and then lead the world?
India is making more people for cheap labor, they aren't making more people to lead the world.
If you're in a country where 50% of the people don't understand what the other half is saying, how can we as a people be expected to make progress?
Again... it's not a country where 50% doesn't understand the other 50%.
How much does that really matter IF it was true?
30? What happened to 20?
Hello dickface... can you read?
Seems to me like you're the 50% that doesn't understand what I'm (the other 50%) saying.
Population doesn't equal power anymore mate
Actually their population is currently a major force for their GDP growth etc.
You also failed to address how a country that has 25% of its population in poverty going to surpass the USA, and then lead the world?
Well it kinda used to lead the world... it can be done again. It's not really saying much seeing as between 13-17% of Americans live between the poverty line.
I'm sorry son... but this debate is well off your head.
Nearly all economists know that India and China will be the superpowers within the next 20-30 years and you're sitting there with your thumb up your ass talking about mobile phones and computers and other bullshit.
Don't tell me you're going to die withing 20 years!!!!
Trying to lighten your dick head attitude.
Ok if I am here living in America and lets say half of the population speaks Americanese, and the other half speaks Americana. I've got a 50% chance in applying for certain jobs that I won't be hired because I don't speak their language. Think of politics, if the representative from Florida doesn't speak the same language as the representative of Georgia?
Well it kinda used to lead the world... it can be done again. It's not really saying much seeing as between 13-17% of Americans live between the poverty line.
Oh well I guess that all makes sense we're pretty close to India...
Oh wait 17% of Americans is less than 60 million. What is 25% of Indian's under the poverty line? 250 Million?
Most economists agree that in the next 30 years it is possible for India to take Germany's spot at 3rd, possibly the US in 50 years. Thats a possibility, not yet fact. India will not be taking the number 1 position in the next 20-30 years.
But as I said before, India does have the potential.
I'm pretty sure it's sooner than that. Either way it's still in your lifetime.
Oh wait 17% of Americans is less than 60 million. What is 25% of Indian's under the poverty line? 250 Million?
Lol weak. so so weak. There's a reason why % is used. I hope you understand the definition of it.
Ok if I am here living in America and lets say half of the population speaks Americanese, and the other half speaks Americana. I've got a 50% chance in applying for certain jobs that I won't be hired because I don't speak their language. Think of politics, if the representative from Florida doesn't speak the same language as the representative of Georgia?
You silly silly boy. The vast majority of Indians speak Hindi.
But let me give you an example that might help.
Those from Florida who cannot speak Hindi speak floridian. They can also speak Georgian, Alabamian and Mississippian. I'm pretty sure they can EASILY find a job.
The representatives of states/areas definately know Hindi/English or w/e language they need to know.
You're not getting anywhere on this. Communication (on the basis of language) is and never has been a major or even minor issue in India.
When I realize I am incorrect in the big picture I usually concede and take the knowledge put forth and use it to my advantage the next time a similar issue arises, so in all honesty thanks for debating.
If you're in a country where 50% of the people don't understand what the other half is saying, how can we as a people be expected to make progress?
Again... it's not a country where 50% doesn't understand the other 50%.
How much does that really matter IF it was true?
30? What happened to 20?
Hello dickface... can you read?
Seems to me like you're the 50% that doesn't understand what I'm (the other 50%) saying.
Population doesn't equal power anymore mate
Actually their population is currently a major force for their GDP growth etc.
You also failed to address how a country that has 25% of its population in poverty going to surpass the USA, and then lead the world?
Well it kinda used to lead the world... it can be done again. It's not really saying much seeing as between 13-17% of Americans live between the poverty line.
I'm sorry son... but this debate is well off your head.
Nearly all economists know that India and China will be the superpowers within the next 20-30 years and you're sitting there with your thumb up your ass talking about mobile phones and computers and other bullshit.
Don't tell me you're going to die withing 20 years!!!!
Trying to lighten your dick head attitude.
Ok if I am here living in America and lets say half of the population speaks Americanese, and the other half speaks Americana. I've got a 50% chance in applying for certain jobs that I won't be hired because I don't speak their language. Think of politics, if the representative from Florida doesn't speak the same language as the representative of Georgia?
Well it kinda used to lead the world... it can be done again. It's not really saying much seeing as between 13-17% of Americans live between the poverty line.
Oh well I guess that all makes sense we're pretty close to India...
Oh wait 17% of Americans is less than 60 million. What is 25% of Indian's under the poverty line? 250 Million?
Most economists agree that in the next 30 years it is possible for India to take Germany's spot at 3rd, possibly the US in 50 years. Thats a possibility, not yet fact. India will not be taking the number 1 position in the next 20-30 years.
But as I said before, India does have the potential.
Live much long? Well I am guessing you were going for something more along the lines of much longer. India will not be surpassing the USA within 30 years, that is a given. Whether I live for 30 more years is debatable who knows.
While you are still living try out some Eng 101 courses, it would do you good.
hey, I am an Indian citizen and I know how poor India is than all of you who are not, and I know how much better off India is than all of your countries because India right now is caring for its people, tieing up loose ends that occurred before its Independence.
It doesn't have the time to "throw out the red carpet like you mongrels".You try "looking good" when you have to take care of a billion people when half of them don't have the money to pay for it.
We are a nation, not a bunch of gimmicks who spy on his neighbour with his camera and upload it in the internet like you chumps.
Yes I support RJG in his views. Iam also an indian and iam proud to be one. We may be not well looking ones but whats comes from us so called 'human resource' is far more better than others who just sits in the name of development and throws works on us . And we see that India is fast approaching as an industrial nation, International IT hub and so on. Potentiality depends on how the nation is working towards betterment .In this iam sure INDIA is leading.BY 2020 INDIA WILL DEFINITELY LEAD THE WORLD.....
if that is so then why are you only concentrating on India's good sides?? if we find out what problems and drawbacks of our country are then we will be able to focus on clearing these problems.
We may be not well looking ones but whats comes from us so called 'human resource' is far more better than others who just sits in the name of development and throws works on us
that's not true.
those who throw work on us are actually helping us increase our per capita income. although it's a true fact that all they do is sit. ut they have reached so many heights because of their own efforts. you can't say no to that.
Potentiality depends on how the nation is working towards betterment
that is true but we are not moving at a constant and good speed so who knows, pakistan might also become a developed nation by the time we reach the developed state???
iam sure INDIA is leading.BY 2020 INDIA WILL DEFINITELY LEAD THE WORLD.....
a country doesn't lead just like that. it's hard work will have to be effecient and fruitful.
if we find out what problems and drawbacks of our country are then we will be able to focus on clearing these problems.
do you discuss your family problems with an outsider?
those who throw work on us are actually helping us increase our per capita income.
Well,an increase in per capita income means an income in GDP...thought you knew that...
that is true but we are not moving at a constant and good speed so who knows, pakistan might also become a developed nation by the time we reach the developed state???
We are definitely not moving at an uniform speed...because we are moving faster...
a country doesn't lead just like that. it's hard work will have to be effecient and fruitful.
Who told you the hard work won't be efficient and fruitful??
Yes. India does have the potential to lead the world. If the Indian government can look after a country with 28 states of 28 ways, culture, geographical and language, it can certainly can lead the world. For example, there is heavy rainfall in Manipur , while there is water scarcity in Rajasthan. It also has the most wonderful technological developments. Economically also India isn't that low. Eg: Chandrayaan from India discovered water on Moon. What do u say about that? And the father of astronomy, aryabhatta was from India.
India has a potential to lead the world in 2022 with its predicted largest pool of manpower consisting of 200 million college graduates and 500 million trained and skilled workforce. It could be home for at least 30 of the Fortune 100 companies of the world and generate over 10% of the world trade, by nurturing a vibrant renaissance of world-class contemporary art, science, research and education could have at least 10 Nobel Prize Winners. This is possible in next fifteen years provided leaders focus on this goal as a priority. Iam sure this is going to happennnnnnnnnnnnnnn soooooooooon
India is moving at fast pace towards development. The country has changed upside down in last five years. Growth is almost twice every year. Today, Indians are leading in almost every field. Leaders from India are getting top positions in companies and even companies of Indian origin are growing.
India is looking up at the sky and saying…Its time to fly!!!
Good afternoon, one and all present here. I am Satakshi and I believe that Indians have put their hands on the arc of history, in hope to create a better day. The strength of our great Nation, the hard-work and toil of our countrymen combined with their ability to achieve the impossible, I sincerely believe that we all have in us, to be the leaders of the world in every sphere of human civilization.
An India whose faith in success is far greater than its fear of Failure
An India which no longer boycotts foreign made goods but buys out the companies which make them instead
History they say is a bad motorist, it rarely ever signals its intentions, when it is taking a turn, this is that rarely ever moment… History is turning a page
For over half a century, our nation has sprung, stumbled, run, fallen, rolled over, got up and dusted herself
But now in the 63rd year as a free nation, the ride has brought us to the edge of time
The Pessimistic amongst us would talk of the vast diversity, the cultural divide, the internal conflicts, the corruption, poverty, illiteracy and even the Chinese. Like all nations we have our problems, but we can take it as challenges, as we solve them one by one, we would emerge as a greater nation. With the diversity and the internal competition which is prevalent in our country, one is better prepared to face the world as compared to people from other nations. Our countrymen have the drive and the determination, which would help our nation emerge as world leaders.
The country has changed upside down in last five years.
yep that's true but not very correct. it has turned upside down since the time after independence. it has become all confused and chaos is all over the place
Today, Indians are leading in almost every field.
yeah like corruption, black money, dirtiness, bad political leaders like mayavati and lalu prasad yadav.
India is looking up at the sky and saying…Its time to fly!!!
hahahahahaha 3 words LOL
Good afternoon, one and all present here
another LOL you are here to debate not give a lecture and also, it wasn't afternoon when I read your arguement, it was night!!!!
For over half a century, our nation has sprung, stumbled, run, fallen, rolled over, got up and dusted herself
sprung and gotten confused as to what is was really doing. stumbled all the while because of the politicians sitting and litrally ruling over us.
Like all nations we have our problems, but we can take it as challenges, as we solve them one by one,
yes I am also thinking the same .It will take some time and we INDIANS have to be united and have work together irrespective of cast and religion.However its a slow process and may be in 2020-2050 India can become top 3 powerful countries in the world.
I believe that India is fast emerging as a hub for international trade and investment. India has provided a huge opportunity to enhance trade and investments in sectors such as mechanical and electrical engineering, food processing, automotive, tourism and banking among others. Almost every multinational company is focusing on India.
The problem with that theory, though, is that multinational corporations that invest in India are not, by definition, from India. This means, happily, that the vast majority of the profits will return to the West. This king of international trade, along with protectionism, will secure our dominance for the foreseeable future.
yes India can lead the world bcoz it has vast number of resources that are not present in other countries.India's most important resource the human resource of India as Indians do their work as somebody worshiping the god
at the time being they do have a vast number of resources that are not present in other countries.but the people do not want the govt. to dig them out to use them.they say they will not move . this is the condition of the accesible areas. the condition of the inaccesible areas will be even worse
so what and by the way most of the countries do. and in half of the countries like the US they have so many different religions and people from all over the world how come they are living so peacefully and not us why are we indians fighting amongst ourselves can you answer that can you plz do and I'll make posters of it so that atleast one of the problems will be solved. being so possesive about our country leading the world won't make it lead. you have to focus on it's problems not on it's acheivements.
Why do you think global companies like AT&T;and Vodafone are sniffing around India and buying companies like Hutch?
AirTel, Hutch, Tata Indicom and Reliance have all tailored cell phone solutions for the Indian masses, poor and rich in extremely innovative ways and have penetrated even very rural markets with rs 1000 handsets and Prepaid options that make sense for people in India and China!
Believe me, Indian Cell phone companies are 100 times more innovative than anything you can find elsewhere in the developed world!
Every major consumer product like soap, shampoo, pickles, etc have all been "pouched" and sold for Rs.1 in every rural market, even as we speak! And they are buying in droves! In 2006 Business India did a Consumer profiling study and found that the people who earn the least, the people they call "Nirdhaan" had enough money to buy shampoo in pouches and were buying them!
It all depends upon having a positive attitude and looking what innovation represents "Value" (balance between cost and benefits) and provide it in that form.
That applies to software also! The Indian population can be an immense advantage if you can think of Value and deliver it in a way that is customized and delivered in India that makes sense!
are u indian????? how can u say jai hind a blah blah. it has the potencial to lead because it has every thing. can u name any thing in which india lack. india is ofcourse a beauti full place. take example of kashmir or kerela. how beautiful they are. u must surely visit them. some times our hardwork becomes usefull for others too. for example teachers hardwork is good for students and students hardwork is usefull for country including you too..
it has the potencial to lead because it has every thing. can u name any thing in which india lack. can u name something it really is the best in????
take example of kashmir or kerela. how beautiful they are. u must surely visit them.
yeah sure why don't you also take the example of bihar and say jharkhand of course you won't they are backward you take the example of the good of every country then you see only the good in it.
for example teachers hardwork is good for students and students hardwork is usefull for country including you too..
yep teachers don't ever come into our class and sit down saying I'm sorry kids I can't teach today I'm too tired.
why then almost everyday in my school teachers do that????
Hey u mr blah blah ......prhps u dnt knw by wat rate india widening its horizon....v r just 63 year young.......d future iz our.....where were u after ur 63 post independence years.....
Hey u mr blah blah ......prhps u dnt knw by wat rate india widening its horizon....v r just 63 year young.......d future iz our.....where were u after ur 63 post independence years.....
Hey u mr blah blah ......prhps u dnt knw by wat rate india widening its horizon....v r just 63 year young.......d future iz our.....where were u after ur 63 post independence years.....
Hey u mr blah blah ......prhps u dnt knw by wat rate india widening its horizon....v r just 63 year young.......d future iz our.....where were u after ur 63 post independence years.....
So ,Ms mitgag..its just bcoz of our system's sleeps....n its nw waking and nw vil b alwys waken ,bcz of d new generation of india.which nationalist r u??
So ,Ms mitgag..its just bcoz of our system's sleeps....n its nw waking and nw vil b alwys waken ,
I'm sorry but i can't make a head or tail of your english.
bcz of d new generation of india
yeah and like what are they doing???? infact what are you doing???
I'm playing the role of a critic here and I intend to do it better than anyone.
which nationalist r u??
I'know being an Indian I should try to downsize my no. of arguements but then if we keep talking about our good qualities then how will we create a better nation?? on realizing our own mistakes we will be able to stop or rather clear our drawbacks, while ebators like you will only see the goods and be happy and proud with it.
than anyone.¿¿i m doing what i could for my india.simply,m not just sitting in front of laeptop and critisizng india.'m working to improve it.'m not saying v r leader its th8 v have d potential.IT'S BETTER TO LIT A CANDLE INSTEAD OF CURSING DARK.
how can Indians say that india don not have the potential to lead the world???????????????
because I was taught not to lie about myself or anything thats mine.
India is the heaven in the Earth and only India have the potential to lead the world..........yeah like we have the largest slum in the world hey guys plz come to india come and see heaven. I don't think India has the potential to lead the world
INDIA WILL BECOME POTENTIAL TO LEAD THE WORLD other-than any country!!!!!!!!!!!!where did you learn english
Believe yourself and hardwork.............well what's that supposed to mean?????
so dnt say u r indian because u dnt knw the indian heritage so make ur self of other country. if any one ask frm u abt ur house u firstly take thm to ur dustbin n bathroom??????????/
if any one ask frm u abt ur house u firstly take thm to ur dustbin n bathroom??????????/
I think you are going away from the topic this debate is not about our houses or dustbins. but for your question also I have an answer. my bathroom and dustbin are cleaner than most of the Indian cities...=)=)=)=)
u dnt knw the indian heritage
I know a lot more about Indian heritage than you so don';t talk about it with me. it has spell bound me and to think that after such a great heritage and culture we are still so backward and not developed..
i think that India has the potential to lead the world because it developing day by day.... and what i feel is that if India has lead the country so far then it can do more....
i think that India has the potential to lead the world because it developing day by day.... and what i feel is that if India has lead the country so far then it can do more....
Of course it has the potential, but right now the current religious tension between Muslims and Hindus would probably prevent this. I can't think of a leading nation that has had large scale internal conflict, it just doesn't work. To "lead" a country must have time and resources to worry about other countries and not itself.
It's in part because of a sort of technological leapfrogging where, for example, in certain third-world (developing) nations the citizens jumped to cell phones with no intermediate stage of wired phone infrastructure.
Well, the common misconception of first, second and third world countries is pointing out the huge gap between the poor and rich of the world.
However, during the Cold War, these terms were coined identifying countries by economic system based on alliance. They were defined by the alliance with capitalism. So, Britain, US and etc were first while Soviet was second and any other system were third.
Of course India has the POTENTIAL to lead the world, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. They have the knowledge, the manpower, and the resources to lead the world.
Aur tere jaisi gadhi uspar comment bhi maarthi... Saale saare harami log ho tum sab! Jahan ka khaate ho vahin par ched kee maa behen.. Saali teri toh poonch par aag lagein... Keede pade aur mare!
THE CAPITAL MARKETS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO RECIEVE A HUGE INFLOW OF FUNDS.INDIA CAN COMPETE OVERSEAS MARKETS WITH THIS PERFORMANCE STATUS AND INTERNATIONAL INVESTORS SEE INDIA HAS A POTENTIAL MARKET FOR EXCELLENT RETURN ON INVESTMENT.
india can speak english better than orginal english man..britishers and americans speech includes a lot of grammatical mistakes ..so who is better....indians !!!! "truth is stranger than fiction".......
india can speak english better than orginal english man
That is a laughable assertion.
britishers and americans speech includes a lot of grammatical mistakes
Your little rant there contained six instances of poor grammar, three misspellings and seven counts of inappropriate or absent punctuation. Do I dare ask whether Indians know what irony is?
First of all, I am not Indian. As to English, you message contains:
Five counts of poor grammar.
Six misspellings.
Five counts of missing or inappropriate punctuation.
To clarify; an ellipsis (...) is three periods followed by a space. Languages and nationalities take a capital letter. Words are not to be substituted with numbers, the addition of superfluous letters does not emphasise the word.
India is a secular state.people of all communities reside here so india has the knowledge of almost all countries and the way they live. so it can easily lead all the people of world without creating any nuissance among anyone.
I was talking about the other person's argument. neither have u posted something that disputes me arguments in related debates. urs is a way to try n get more points.
back to the debate, i live in India, n i know the dark sides of it. the most recent scam was related to coal. india has political leaders who are not interested in development but in money making business only.
Sweetheart.. I live in India too. And I Am AN Indian. So Trust me.. I got my facts straight from the same privy. BTW... Which nation has no politicians who stack goods of gold... Or coal? Some countries look for it outside... And they do it inside... What I'm saying here is that your emphasis lies way beyond efforts. And "that" "what" you talk and accuse politicians is causing a rogue of a way back in accusations to you. What is your stand when you blame and call things names?
BTW... Which nation has no politicians who stack goods of gold
i agree on that fact. every nation has politicians who are corrupt. but as you can see, Indian politicians cross the line to corruption!!!
Some countries look for it outside... And they do it inside.
with contrast to other countries India and its politicians will only ruin the world instead of developing it. which is exactly why India cannot lead the world.
And "that" "what" you talk and accuse politicians is causing a rogue of a way back in accusations to you
your making this personal. just because you n i are from India doesn't mean we must support it even if it is wrong.
What is your stand when you blame and call things names?
i have every right to do so.
you should try watching the news channels for a change. maybe it will change your way of thinking
every nation has politicians who are corrupt. but as you can see, Indian politicians cross the line to corruption!!!
And your saying that based on facts that rise from...? Indian politicians cross all those corruption barriers that an American politician or an English politician or a Polish or a Pakistan politician does. You see the result of having let America lead the World. Have you not?
with contrast to other countries India and its politicians will only ruin the world instead of developing it.
And who is now resurrecting it anyway?
your making this personal. just because you n i are from India doesn't mean we must support it even if it is wrong.
Sorry.. Making it personal with you does not interest me! Besides you have failed to draw a line between supporting and castigating. And you involving in the latter.
i have every right to do so.
Do not cause your entity, a chance to criminalize your liberty- Gandhi
you should try watching the news channels for a change. maybe it will change your way of thinking
Hey, thanks for the suggestion. No one's been nice enough to ask me to do so. You were...
BTW... No ashes against you. But, when you say a no... It means a deal of an end you see. Politicians are not the only ones who lead the World. And the politicians of the existing genre again I may add. Besides... When the World is into shit created by leaders, a bit of an attitudinizer attempt by the lot. Don't you think?
Hi all of u.................. dis is a new gal joining da prsns who r in favor of dis argue...... those who are in oppose of dis topic..... may i request u one thing dat plz think before u tell about India"s potential bcoz the wealth which the foreigners are enjoying nw are the looted one 4m India........ The other foreign countries are more developed den us bcoz it is da Indian people who are using their brain and making the foreign countries develop..........
the wealth which the foreigners are enjoying nw are the looted one 4m India........
yes that is true but the wealth that India had was also looted from other countries. what proof do you have that India's wealth was from Inida only???
other foreign countries are more developed den us bcoz it is da Indian people who are using their brain and making the foreign countries develop..........
sure that also is correct but these people know that Indian people are mostly corrupt and so they always find ways to get more money. they don't care so much about their clients.
so people who have brains know what is right for them and therefore they go abroad.
iam going to support that india has the potential to lead the world..
'yes that is true but the wealth that India had was also looted from other countries. what proof do you have that India's wealth was from Inida only???'
:do u hav the proof tht india has looted?
'sure that also is correct but these people know that Indian people are mostly corrupt and so they always find ways to get more money. they don't care so much about their clients.'
:thinking only of u is not the humanism..we indians have a lot of kindness and humanism in us...we always have had given but not taken...and will always give..
we want knowledge not money or anything else..we have lot of knowledge...we may be slow...but remember that slow and steady wins the race...we will be late but will also be the latest..
'so people who have brains know what is right for them and therefore they go abroad.'
:if u think it like this then , we have a lot of foriegn companies in india...are they fools to start a company in india..even foriegn products are sold at india or else in over populated nation. why?because demand is the matter...we people help ur nation to grow..we want the world also to lead..not only us leaving everyone back...that's too bad...
iam proud to be an indian...it is a wealth giving or sharing nation but not an disleading nation..
an indian tries to help others..even if i become a rich person in my future , i would help the poor or the people who need help. its a promise..
do what ur heart says...and be scared of ur heart...but not of others..
iam going to support that india has the potential to lead the world
sure do whatever you want this is a debate.
:do u hav the proof tht india has looted?
sure in the olden days every kingdom looted and fought. even India.
thinking only of u is not the humanism..we indians have a lot of kindness and humanism in us...we always have had given but not taken...and will always give..
we indians don't have to take. India is so corrupt that even you can't see what is taking plce in front of your own eyes. indians do nothing but corruption.
we want knowledge not money or anything else..we have lot of knowledge...we may be slow...but remember that slow and steady wins the race...we will be late but will also be the latest..
do one thing! run in a 100 m race very slowly, and see if you win,then tell me.
if u think it like this then , we have a lot of foriegn companies in india...are they fools to start a company in india..
no they are infact more itteligent. they know they'll get a lot of human labour here and an indian will work for any amount of money as long as they get paid.
if u think it like this then , we have a lot of foriegn companies in india...are they fools to start a company in india..
half the population is illiterate. so they don't know that all the cosmetics contain many harmful chemicals in them. thus they use them. here too we are at fault. why can't we educate our population??? in maharashtra recently, the shivsena leader did not make schools in remaote areas saying he didn't have money. how come then does he have such a huge mansion to live in?? you see politicians are also corrupt. they know that if the popu. gets literate then they will stand nowhere.
iam proud to be an indian...it is a wealth giving or sharing nation but not an disleading nation..
so am i, but our nations govt. is not good infact it's corrupt.
jai hind..
same here!! but try to focus on our country's problems and try to solve them. that's how we might be a better country in the future.
i never said all of them are corrupt, and yes most of them are.
Yeah people like you who only care abt money and not about their country go abroad!!!
i do care about money coz. i can't live poor. i can't bear it. like u... but I also do a lot of work that will help my country flourish. but one man cannot make a huge difference. also money isn't the only thing that will help India lead the world.
Not bcoz of poverty or corruption
yes it is mostly because of poverty and corruption that India is so backward.
irresponsible behavior of citizens lyk you towards the country,
I m not irresponsible nor is my behavior. you can't just tolerate listening to your faults.
You simply talk nonsense. America has invented numerous things, starting from electricity, to aeroplane to TV, refrigerator. Name it, which is not invented by the U.S (Or the westerners). Thats how this country is the richest in the world now and the global leader now. Name one, just one f..king thing that Indians have invented. Dont simply talk nonsense and irritate others.
what are u talking about dude???? u say indians have invented nothing... what am i saying????? and if u think india cannot lead then plz change ur tag and side.... who are u supporting???
India surely has the potential to lead the world.........Dr Manmohan Singh is considered as the most qualified prime minister all over the world.........India has proved its potential in various fields and aspects............
I already had my say in the debate and we Indians at least managed to learn these mongrel's language and we are pretty good at it. But the rest of you English gimmicks stumble in your own tongue.
I am quoting some sush102
"Hey its better dnt teach me wats da differnce between chatng nd debatng..... If i start my debate na den u bloody will b 4ced to leave dis site nd run away...."
what crap?
"dnt" , "ma" "dis"
what kind of crap is that???
It makes no difference what you say but it still remains that INDIANS are the BEST!!!!
Yes, as India's economy is rising increasingly. As for the people saying that the caste system, sexism, racism in India.. Well the caste system has been eradicated, but there are some small traces of it being there. Satyamev Jayate, a show led by Aamir Khan, went against the sexism of India, and it has been put in court, and eventually will also decrease as this show has increased awareness in many places. India cant really afford to go as fast as china, nor shall it, and also it cannot face its poverty issues with the outstanding threat of illegal occupied territories by China and Pakistan, and the any-time-can-happen nuclear threat of Pakistan, which can send a missile in 8 seconds to India. The issue of Kashmir / Arunchal Pradesh does not really allow India to develop as fast and decrease poverty. Thank You and Jai Hind!
aah...u r saying like that only india has this things.....other countries donot have this.....does the america which seems as leading the world doesnt have bad qualities.....it eats less and waste more.....the amount of food they waste can be utillised for feeding whole indian population...it produces more pollution and blame us...what about it !!!!!!!
u r saying like that only india has this things.....other countries donot have this
yes the other countries do have these problems, but they are taken under control quickly. in India if a murder takes place, it is soon forgotten by everyone even us. do you remember the arushi murder case? can you tell me who they caught and on what evidence???
This debate shows itself that the world really needs a leader. USA has become ruthless as evident from its stand in environment issues. The Russia has crumbled,China became an "accomplice" of USA, and this shows the world really needs a leader.
Now, what all qualities should a world leader have?
She should be rich in cultural heritage, should have human resources, should have supply of natural resources, should have the capability to consider the world as a whole with great moral values,and they should never attack any other country to gain its territory, and ,India is the only nation which qualifies all the above criteria.
But in present situation , India cannot become the world leader as the people who are against the motion said.But let me remind you, that the question is, "India has the POTENTIAL to lead the world", and the evident answer is YES.
Go to bloody hell, u bastards, those who say that India can't lead the world.
That is the greatest threat you are to us...bad language.
It has that potential.
How?
What Americans and west nations did??? Made other countries their colonies, and looted them...
America was a colony, but in general you are correct. I dare you to try it with us though. We'd destroy you and leave you more backward and impoverished than you already are.
Go to bloody hell u bastard, this was for all those who think Indians are nothing...
..........u wanna destroy us....then wat u thnk we 'd leave you.....yh u r right th8 v r threat to u....bt nt cz of bad language bt bcoz of our day by day improvement...n progress...... U accepted our superiority on u....
.........u wanna destroy us....then wat u thnk we 'd leave you.....yh u r right th8 v r threat to u....bt nt cz of bad language bt bcoz of our day by day improvement...n progress...... U accepted our superiority on u....
.........u wanna destroy us....then wat u thnk we 'd leave you.....yh u r right th8 v r threat to u....bt nt cz of bad language bt bcoz of our day by day improvement...n progress...... U accepted our superiority on u....
You want to destroy us. What would we leave for you to exploit? Nothing! Yes! You are right that we are a threat to you, but not because of bad language, but because of our day by day improvement in progress. You accepted our superiority on you.
You want to destroy us. What would we leave for you to exploit? Nothing! Yes! You are right that we are a threat to you, but not because of bad language, but because of our day by day improvement in progress. You accepted our superiority on you.
(I even amazed myself with that translation!)
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ahh now I can somewhat understand what he was tryinng to say.
We'd destroy you and leave you more backward and impoverished
the british are not backward and improvished. but we are. we cannot provide good health care to our own people, how will we provide health care to others???we stiil believe in caste system and pay dowry.
bt nt cz of bad language bt bcoz of our day by day improvement...n progress......
our day by day improvement is what?? nothing. the century by century improvement can be said but hhow are we improving day by day??
Mr blah blah(engmtc)We'd destroy you and leave you more backward and impoverished than you already are....if you ever say that India will lead the world. it wiil really destroy you and make you more improvished and backward
Go to bloody hell, u bastards, those who say that India can't lead the world.
this is it this is the biggest drawback of our country, bad language. what do you think? that this will make the other debators feel inferior to you?? are you kidding me???
What Americans and west nations did??? Made other countries their colonies, and looted them...
so what in the old times this was a common thing. and we should also be ashamed that India couldn't fight for itself.
THEN WHY PEOPLE FRM UR COUNTRY RUN AND COME HERE IN SEARCH OF PEACE AND GET RID OF DEPRESSION...........BCOZ U PPL. ARE SO INDULGED IN MATERIALISTIC LIFE THAT YOU FORGET YOUR REAL SOUL,YOU KNOW WHAT?? WHY COMPANIES RUN TO INDIAN ??BCOZ THEY ARE SIMPLY GENIUS.............
yeah......" INDIANS ARE LIVING IN DARK FROM MANY YEAR'S. NOW,THEY ARE DEVELOPING FASTER AND FASTER & THE DEVELOPED OTHER COUNTRIES ARE LIVING IN LIGHTNESS FROM MANY YEAR'S.NOW THEY WANT LIVE GLEEFULLY IN SATISFACTION,SO THEY ARE WATCHING TO THE COUNTRY INDIA AND
The Indian economy is galloping at a breakneck speed and might even reach double-digit growth by 2013, feel Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee and Commerce Minister Anand Sharma. Many economists agree that the demographic dividend that India enjoys could see the country sustain its high growth rate for a long time to come.
The India growth story is indeed enviable. Despite being plagued by myriad problems, India has emerged stronger and more resilient to any global crises so far.
India is expected to be the world's fastest growing economy by 2018, according to Economist Intelligence Unit, a research arm of the Economist magazine.
Indian People has the power to overcome all the difficulties and also to solve them. So I think India will progress and after one or two decade it will lead the world.
if it did then why are there slums in our country??? why is there poverty???? why does almost every second street stink even with drain system???? why are politicians eating up money????
Hey u may b ryt........... but if u talk about corruption den china is communist and corruption is also seen in china bt den also china is in da leading countries...... Can u tell me y???????????? U all talk about the literacy f indian bt let me remind u dat most of the english words are taken 4m the indian language i.e. Sanskrit like mother 4m matra, Father 4m Pitri, jamiti bcam geometry nd trikonmiti bcam trigonometry..... Wat do u say about dat dea.......????????
first of all, please use proper words. you are debating not chatting. writing a few more words won't do you any harm.
now coming to the debate
bt den also china is in da leading countries...... china is leading from india in terms of development.
U all talk about the literacy f indian bt let me remind u dat most of the english words are taken 4m the indian language i.e. Sanskrit like mother 4m matra, Father 4m Pitri, jamiti bcam geometry nd trikonmiti bcam trigonometry..... Wat do u say about dat dea.......????????
yes then indians were very much educated. but we have to talk about now and we are, and we see that 75% of india's population is illiterate. do you know what that means?? it means people will indulge them selves in odd jobs which don't have much value. the other alternative and the more preferred by indians is begging.
ooooooooh really David then why people from your country knock their doors in India for gaining peace and get rid of depression,why does most of the named firms of the world have highest no. of Indian employees cuz we are genius,and we are actually intellectually superior.in past we have lead the world and we'll surely lead the world again in near future wait and watch
To say India can not lead the world is to say that a newborn child can never walk!!! I agree that there r so many problems that the rising India is facing 2day bt we r getting better day by day!!!
To say India can not lead the world is to say that a newborn child can never walk!!!
very true.
I agree that there r so many problems that the rising India is facing 2day bt we r getting better day by day!!!
we are trying to develop in different fields leaving behind our other problems, but these problems come up quickly and so we must try to focus on our drawbacks than put them aside.
India does have ptential to lead the world, but so does China! America continues to outsource good manufactoring jobs to these countries resulting in an economic boost for India and China!
i just know that i am an Indian and i don't want to show my country down and the person who thinks that only by debate they will solve all the problems is wrong.
I am an American, and I am ashamed to admit "Merica is rich due to slavery. India never had slavery and used to be rich until the British came and took everything away. We were left in a bad state, but started developing quickly. India is much more competitive in education than America and soon when everyone has education (which will happen in our lifetime) India will excel.
I view India as more of an opportunity than a challenge. India has been a superpower in the past along with China and I am pretty confident that India will learn from its mistakes.
India is a vastly superstitious, impoverished, uneducated country still clinging to a ridiculous caste system.
Because a few Indians have managed to exploit their overwhelmingly impoverished and uneducated citizenry in order to produce crappy products for next to nothing, does not make them any kind of shining beacon for the world.
India is a miserable place. They will continue to be the West's lapdog until they shed them selves of their overwhelming sexism, racism, and ignorance and begin educating and offering what should be minimal living standards to all of its population, not simply the luckiest 1% or so.
A nation with an overwhelming population of miserable people will always fail as a nation, the Dark Ages taught us that. People need to be empowered, all of them, then a country will change for the better and only then.
uneducated by the nature of the word, cannot be well educated.
While being fat is a problem, it is not necessary that the general population be in good physical health in order that they should "lead the world"
It is necessary though the the general population be well educated, which the general Indian population is not.
link 35% of the Indian population cannot even read.
link and like I said, they still have overwhelming remnants of their ridiculous cast system. Not that the US doesn't have racists, but they are a few crazies for the most part and the US is aware of it, it's not a long accepted tradition completely ignored by most.
... if you've never even heard of "untouchables" as they are called in India, and refuse to even read the link I provided, I hardly think you are fit to debate on this subject. link
I agree with you that it is a British Caste system, but we are getting off topic. India has the potential to lead the world because the caste system DOESN'T EVEN EXIST ANYMORE. It is pretty much taboo like segregation.
David, before you start criticizing India, look at America, where I now live. No female president (go Hillary Go!), 1 black president, there had to be a war to abolish slavery, segregation, and discrimination. I am friends with many black people who couldn't even buy a house in our neighborhood and had to live in the city because their old neighbors who were probably white supremacists said they were bad people on the town newspaper.
EXACTLY! They mistook jobs as socio-economic statuses. Castes were initially just what type of job you had (govt., priest, salesman, farmer, plumber), but when white people came they were like "The priests have more money so they should have the most rights, the untouchables have less so they don't deserve respect". Mahatma Gandhi recognized this and started the movement to end this nonsense that the white people started, and his legacy lives on.
David has never been to India and I have lived there in many cities and small villages in different states, and not once in my entire life have I seen the caste system being enforced. You are considered a horrible person if you support it (just like in America)
India may be held down by the chains of castes sexism, racism and other kind of frauds like corruption and division of society etc. but still, there is a day in the near future when we break these chains and make a progress beyond the wildest dreams anyone.
India may be weak and feeble before the others now, but thinking of the past, i think India was the base power, like a fertile soil, to others to cultivate their wealth!
I remember Alexander the great to be aching for the control over India and its riches. i remember British Gov taking over Indians wealth including The ShahJahans peacock throne!!!
if you were to stay in a city of India, you are seeing an illusion.
IF you want the true India, Visit its Villages!!!
i know, what has happened has happened.
but thinking of the future again, i think it is in our hands and not others to decide who will Win and who won't
even today, if AL the engineers, scientists and professionals who are working for foreign state's come back to India, i estimate that it won't take more than 5 years for India to make a breakthrough in any kind of field you name!
one small question - what were the americans after 60 years of their independence??
Ans : A bunch of savages killing each other for gold?
You say the that only the lucky 1% enjoy in India....you could not be more wrong.... the top 10% are all millioniares.. the next 55 % is the middle class.... who are hard working and do well.... add the two - 65% = 650million people...far more than your entire population.... our education sys is not as casual as yours... we are lucky... thats why most of your mncs prefer indians and chinese more than you own lot...... as for cast sys.... well i clearly remember your country torn apart in civil wars.. n until recently racisim.. u should think before u write anything like this... n i'm not concluding but have to finish because i can go on and on.. u r just another bloody stereotype...
The Indian middle class would be considered impoverished by Western standards. Just because you call it middle class doesn't mean they are. And what does any of this have to do with right now?
I provided factual links in my posts about the percentage of Indian impoverished, the percent of Indians who cannot read, and articles on the still lingering caste system. None arguing on your side have given anything but history of the US (not India) which is not the subject, and misinformation about the state of the Indian population. If India wants to "lead the world" they need to come up with a system that ensures every citizen has access to education to the 12th grade at least, and they need to raise their minimum wage to Western standards.
That's it. They haven't done these things, they aren't fit to lead.
Like I said, they will continue to be the West's lap dog, making crappy products for slave wages and letting the West take advantage of India's massive impoverished population until those things change.
It's not a stereotype, it's an accurate description of India.
I too am frm an indian middle class family but you know what i think am much better so called 'EDUCATED' than you MISTER.Don't dwell in past ,where was your country during the economic recession??India never got affected by it.Why does every world leader is afraid of potential of an indian kid in feild of jobs.Why does great economist look with respect towards india.Your country is too a racist and a bigot and your speech shows it sir.Afterall we people never see anybody low thn us........it makes us different...........and we'll show you ppl. soon what we hold
... I've never seen so many grammar and punctuation errors in a single paragraph. You're either 8 years old or Indian.
At any rate, you obviously have been very poorly educated, and you have a slanted world view. The US is far less racially divided then India, the difference is the US does not deny its racial inequalities, we don't hide them as India does in the slums filled with "untouchables."
The reason US companies hire Indians is because you are cheap labor, and instead of self-pride and demanding living wages the "Indian middle class" continues to work for what would be illegal to work for in the US. You happily remain the lap dog of big corporations and you continue a cycle of one of the lowest standards of living in the world.
Then, when one such as myself points out the obvious, and one like myself suggests maybe you concentrate on educating everyone and developing higher living standards, you take that as anti-Indian.
Well, I'm more pro-Indian than you apparently, because I would like to see the actual people of India succeed, not just the companies who exploit you for your cheap labor.
Yeah I think he is 8 years old but if you put aside the grammar he's smarter than you. Go to India, it has changed a lot in the past 60 years.
However, for the first time you made a good(ish) point. The living standards aren't as bad as you think (slumdog millionaire isn't accurate at all) but it is true a good amount of people are uneducated. Of course, more people are educated in India than the US because of the population, but we need to educate the entire population.
That being said, India does have the POTENTIAL to lead the world. Honest corporations such as Ekal Vidyalaya are making public schools in isolated places where there are none. And if you look at the website, if they sustain their current rate of progress they will "eradicate illiteracy from Rural and Urban India by the end of 2015".
India does not have the potential to lead the world as the poverty of the country is increasing day by day. You people must've read in the newspapers that 7 states of our country are poorer than countries of Africa. Is this what we have achieved in the 62 years of our independence?
The British left our country in 1947- impoverished , looted, drained of all wealth, prevalent poverty, famine and epidemics all around and with an average life expectancy of just 32 years. But we found our way back....... after 62 years- leading in industrial growth, technological growth and most of all producing Doyens in every field- Sir C.V. Raman, J.R.D Tata, Phirozshah Godrej, the Birlas, the Ambanis, Arindham Choudary, Venkatram, Malaysian Prime Ministers, Infosys Narayanamurthy, A.P.J. Abdul Kalam, aplomb induviduals for obama's office.... many leading institutions like IITs, NIITs, BITS, IIMs, VIT, Loyola, St.Stephen's and so on....
ARE THESE NOT ACHIEVEMENTS??? AFTER BEING RAVISHED BY THE BRITISH FOR NEARLY 200 YEARS, INDIA FOUND ITS WAY BACK... WITH SUCH CREDITABLE ACHIEVEMENTS WITHIN 62 YRS!!!!!
Our country is not poor.....people like you criticize from outside and leave the country for better salary and positions abroad forgetting that if it were not for India you wouldn't have reached such destinations... adopting Western culture, bidding goodbye to India forever.... and fill the coffers of other countries and Swiss banks
Criticism alone won't do. Discharging your duty as responsible citizens is what matters not disparaging your country...
The power , talent, trust and never-say-die attitude of the youth is very much essential for thew growth our country.
Never give up your hopes, if we achieved this much in 62 years, we can definitely accomplish more...!!!
KILLING EACH OTHER IN THE NAME OF RELIGION? Please don't be ignorant; India is made mostly of HINDUS. 45% of Indians don't even kill animals for food and are vegetarians (including me). You probably aren't a bad person for thinking this, you just need to do some research. Start by going on wikipedia and searching "India"...
Do you have specifics to show this is not the case? 35% of the Indian population cannot even read. The majority of people live in what would be considered extreme poverty by any Western world. The majority of people are racist against North Indians or however their particular racism works.
Is that your ideal? Should the whole world be 35% illiterate, mostly starving, and racist?
Again, that a few have managed to exploit a large uneducated population willing to work for next to nothing does not mean that country containing these exploited masses should lead the world.
The majority of people are racist against North Indians or however their particular racism works.
Lol where the fuck you get this bullshit from??
HAHAHAH im actually laughing!!!
The majority of people live in what would be considered extreme poverty by any Western world
Key word is 'by western standards'... ever heard of a village? They're comparably poor as shit... but they will never go without food and water. It's the simple life, something you would only dream of...
Is that your ideal? Should the whole world be 35% illiterate, mostly starving, and racist?
Damn you're retarded. You do understand the point of the debate? That IN THE FUTURE.. as India DEVELOPS at the rate it is continuing at it has the POTENTIAL to lead the world.
Shit you look at any countries in the past and nobody would've ever thought they'd have got as far as they have now.
While Asians were building universities, navys, kingdoms etc. the white man barely discovered fire. Nobody was sitting there saying they don't have potential to do what they did.
Damn you're retarded. You do understand the point of the debate? That IN THE FUTURE.. as India DEVELOPS at the rate it is continuing at it has the POTENTIAL to lead the world
I'm afraid you do not understand the reason India has progressed recently. It is not because their lives are getting measurably better, it is because they are being exploited by foreign and domestic companies for cheap labor.
Do you know whether their lives are getting measurable better or not?
I've been there... every few years I go there. I don't need to read bullshit news and internet articles. I can see it for myself. Their lives are getting measurably better.
mhm, I'm sure you met all however billion people live there and you totally were not confined mainly to whatever tourist area you visited. You obviously must know more than those who take statistics.
Oh yeah obviously not. I mean the fact that I haven't lived more than 2nights in the same hotel in India obviously means I've been secluded to one part.
The fact that I've lived with family and friends in different parts of India as they do, seeing and hearing things as they do obviously means I've experienced what the typical tourist has.
The fact that I don't go to India as a tourist and so get an unpolished turd obviously means I don't see and hear things as they are.
You give me 1 statistic that cannot be disputed. 1 statistic that doesn't have one contrary. 1 statistic that isn't created with an agenda. 1 statistic that is 100% accurate. 1 statistic that isn't juked to fit its purpose. 1 statistic that is created with no political, academical, religious, economical (etc.) background or reason.
Though India still lags behind the world in many fields....it is the only country that is developing at such a rapid rate that it will soon gain enough potential to stand amongst the great countries of today!
when countries fall into a situation of desperation for peace or when things go out of control it is the Indians who people look up to come and improve situations. when the markets fell India still not in any serious problems.
today people don't waste much time in ridiculing an Indian and its ways of functioning....but an unknown fact remains that the west are fast following the footsteps of India. they have started looking up to the ideologies of the Indians and are giving India a chance to stand up and prove themselves to the world..!!
India has areas that have become much nicer, and if you live in one of these areas, or if you are on vacation in India, you do not see the masses at the gates who cannot read or write and do not have enough to eat.
Again, because it may have been burried in the see of replies I've had to my comment,
The source of India's sudden emergence on the world economy is due to an overwhelming number of people willing to work for nearly nothing. It is not because India has made any huge advancements.
If the US, UK, AUS, GER, CAN, FRA, and other major world powers decided tomorrow to enforce fair trade laws, and to tax greater for outsourcing jobs,
India would not have anything to sell.
They would no longer be part of the world economy.
What I'm saying is, they're economy is dependant on them being poor and remaining that way.
It is not a good situation at all.
If India's government is smart and good, if the people realize this, what they will do is use this sudden relative prosperity to, instead of making the very few rich in India which is what's happening now, they will divert these funds into education, creating local jobs, taking advantage of local resources, and investing in their own future.
I'm afraid though that there is no sign that this is what is happening. Honestly I have nothing against India, I simply see that the many are being taken advantage of by the few in this new world economy, and I know this is a dead end for any country.
What I'm saying is, they're economy is dependant on them being poor and remaining that way.
I'm sorry. I agree with most of what you have said. Indian economy has it's reasons for the so called development. Though I'd take to mention that it had it's reasons for the early downfall too. The British conquest, the colonial rule and the dirty game of politics that started off wrong.
You say that our economy is dependant on the way things are.
It is... But, there is a reason for all the outsourcing that is comming to India. For it's efficeincy, it's population, also maybe for the fact that they know that India will be inclined to accept the offers. The benefits thay are gaining is out of the Indian masses. I don't suppose they would like that to stop. They get a lot of cheap labour done.
But, if they happen to stop as you said, will not stop the sale. India may be dependant, but it is not stupid. We might have learnt a few tricks in the process of dependancy but we sure have gained progress in several sectors. India was and will always have demand for those certain things exclusive in India. Our spices, our tea, our coffee. They are popular in most of the Middle east. In most of the Asia. We are gaining the progress through you, but out of that we have safeguarded enough for the future.
Now, if the other countries happen to repeal it will lead to our independancy. We do have a literate group of people. But, if they do not move out, we will have the progression we are making here as well as the progress that we as of whole in the future with new brains and new attempts and new ventures independently. And we will then have both the sides on our side.
Has the medium Indian income increased?
Has the poverty rate dropped?
Has the percent of illiterate decreased?
Actually they have. It is slow and gradual. It is taking time. But it is happeneing.
Get your facts updated. The caste system in India is hanging by a thread. India, even after being mercilessly and greedily exploited by foreigners, has still managed to surface as the second fastest developing country of the world. As for being an uneducated and impoverished country - India is swiftly eradicating illeteracy and poverty. It might take some time, though, for India's has the world's second largest population.
And when you call India a racist country I take it as a personal insult. True there is that tiny population in the country that is racist, but if you are ready to oversee the fact that ''a few Indians have managed to exploit their overwhelmingly impoverished and uneducated citizenry in order to produce crappy products for next to nothing, it does not make them any kind of shining beacon for the world'', then so am I ready to ignore that small fragment of racists to consider that other large fragment of people with unimaginable potential.
And off the record, if the British had not plundered India and kept her in darkness for over two centuries, I am overly confident on the fact that India would have emerged as the world's most powerful country, considering her now-lost store of covetous natural resources, minerals, and glory.
You call India's vast population as a burden, David, but you will be proved wrong when, one day, India WILL break free from the chains of externally inflicted poverty and illeteracy and emerge as one of the leading countries of the world. Even now you can see that India is wanted by all major powers of the world. 2010 has proven this. The American President, the British Prime Minister, the French President, Russian and Chinese leaders want peaceful relations with India, for all know that the future is India.
But I have to agree that that future is quite far off, if you consider India's unstable relationship with neighbouring country Pakistan, the threat of the Naxalites and other problems. But I have faith that India will solve all these problems and become again what she had been in the past for today's great powers - a beacon, covetous and priceless.
First of all, the caste system has been eradicated. Second, India needs to protect its borders, and unlike many other countries it has two countries ILLEGALLY occupying territory. Third, this post is offensive OR you just dont have a mind, cause India has many WORLD-CLASS products, some examples? Ok well: Akaash Tablet, Akaash II Tablet, Tata Sky with VOD services, Search it up! You will get many results that can prove that wrong! Next, India is not a miserable place, infact it has many high and middle class people. The middle class may not earn as much as middle class people do in Europe, but they are joyful, lead a good life and most of all, things are cheap in India unlike in Europe, so do not even THINK of comparing the two. They are not miserable people, in fact, most are happy with their simple life.
That's such bullshit. India does its best to hide its poverty to the rest of the world because they want to push this emerging nation notion as far as possible, sure, but people don't want to be impoverished.
And there is nothing offensive about my post. The only offensive thing in this entire line of argument is that so many people here care so little for the majority of the actual people. They and you seem to care more about image and economy. Well fuck that number one, even if India did have a good economy and a good image, and two, it doesn't work that way. They need to work harder to educate and take care of their entire population.
Stop saying stuff if you haven't done your research. You are being ignorant in this post which is ironic because you called 99% of India ignorant. Almost everything you said in this post is false. There is barely any superstition, much less than the West. Hinduism is based on science, if you disagree I can show you some links.
Also saying India is sexist is absolutely FALSE! It is again much less sexist than the west. Name a female president? Stuck. Well India had one. Women are more important if not equally as important as men.
One thing that is true is that there is poverty, but only 17% or so percent of the population is impoverished. And these people weren't always impoverished, only since when the British took over India.
India has a much better economy than you think, and unlike western nations, it made the money it has WITHOUT STEALING FROM OR ENSLAVING OTHER CIVILIZATIONS!
THANKS FOR ASKING! This is an AWESOME video by a modern semi-comedic Hindu Guru, that I believe sums up the scientific aspect of Hinduism pretty well. The lecture is called "The Technology of Spirituality". The video that the link is of is quite long (37 mins.) but you can also check out the YouTube channel for yourself to see specific parts that are good.
Maybe not here in the US, but in India if you aren't rich, you're poor. There is no middle class in India. They still use the caste system which violates so many human rights. People are sold into slavery every day.
there may be reservations , but that is entirely based on the caste system......... a poor man below poverty line and belonging to a forward caste hasnt got any reservations to boast about...............still the gulf between rich and poor remains...
the gap between the rich & the poor is much larger which is the main reason for India's backwardness. the poor should be given reservation instead of the scheduled castes, scheduled tribes and other backward castes. but the majority that is the so called "low class people" will be never in its favour.
good point "brain drain" well definately dats a big issue....bt der many more things which shows dat india dsnt hav the potential to lead the world......like ridiculous caste system...another big issue is dat the reserved seats for backward classes......thats total injustice........nd dnt forget corruption....a big obstacle for india to lead the world
Do you really think India can do anything.Do you think with this corrupt government is this possible .In India people join politics only to earn crores .Today our young generation is so influenced by it that they think if they can't do anything they will join politics.Our politicians dont't even know how to behave in vidhan sabha and rajya sabha. IF you put aside the fact being an Indian you will write only in favour of India that is wrong.
i don't know if we should be proud or be ashamed that India is such a country in which :
- pizzas arrive earlier than ambulance or fire brigade...
- the shoes we wear in our feet are sold in A/C showrooms but the vegetables that fill our bellies are sold on the roadsides
- the interest for a farmer who wants to buy a tractor is 14% BUT IT IS 0% for a corporate officer buying a Mercedes!!!!
- you buy a Sim card it wont cost you anything but you buy a kilo of rice, it costs you about 30 bucks..
- a soldier dies in a battle and is family is given a petty amount as compensation but the Indian cricket team loses a T20 contest but is still payed Rs 3,00,00,000..can u believe it????
after considering some major setbacks like ever increasing population, illiteracy,unemployment,poverty,castism,blah & blah & blah blah blah ; one can say that India becoming the world leader is still a far dream ........
pizzas arrive earlier than ambulance or fire brigade...
haha where did you get such stuff??? but to be honest I really do like hot pizzas;);)
the shoes we wear in our feet are sold in A/C showrooms but the vegetables that fill our bellies are sold on the roadsides
nah! I do wear shoes from a/c showrooms but who eats vegies???
a soldier dies in a battle and is family is given a petty amount as compensation but the Indian cricket team loses a T20 contest but is still payed Rs 3,00,00,000..can u believe it????
got it!!!!! i checked and found out!!! you got all this stuff from the movie three idiots?????? hahhhahahahahahahaha good choiceand thinking=)=)=)=)=)=)=)
Nah, they can't even organize their damned streets! They bathe in the same river in which they bury their dead and defecate in - the Ganges! They're extremely poor - they can't even manage their own budget, much less a planet!
I'm going to get down-voted and insulted, but everything I have written is the truth.
I'm getting my information from two sources. A cousin who just returned from a vacation to Bagalore, and another relative who works with an Indian. He says that he has to hire bodyguards when he returns. They'll kill you for your shoes!
Besides, I do not believe any nation capable of ruling the world. If they ever succeeded in conquering every other nation in the world, they'd surely lose their 'foothold' very quickly. I'd say that for every country - Great Britain, Germany, Greece, America - regardless of the respect I hold for them.
I'm getting my information from two sources. A cousin who just returned from a vacation to Bagalore, and another relative who works with an Indian. He says that he has to hire bodyguards when he returns. They'll kill you for your shoes!
So in other words, anecdotal data.
Besides, I do not believe any nation capable of ruling the world. If they ever succeeded in conquering every other nation in the world, they'd surely lose their 'foothold' very quickly. I'd say that for every country - Great Britain, Germany, Greece, America - regardless of the respect I hold for them.
Fair enough but I don't think the debate is about India ruling the world militarily. I think the question is regarding India becoming the wealthiest and most influential political power and/or a leader in the production of goods, service, and technology. I also don't see the possibility of any nation conquering the world.
The Amazing Race, as well. They were in India - traffic lines virtually blocked out the sun!
I think the question is regarding India becoming the wealthiest and most influential political power and/or a leader in the production of goods, service, and technology.
China is already developing this condition of leadership.
hai you greedy people came to india and looted us and now you are questioning us.what is the basis of your wealth ?did you grow it from your soil no you looted us .and now you are complainig .what else do you have to say?
I never went to India. I have never stolen or looted anything from India. I have never harmed India in any way; and yet you've the audacity to claim I'm responsible for India's hardships?
I'm getting my information from two sources. A cousin who just returned from a vacation to Bagalore,
BANGALORE. So according to you India is a shit bag cuz some asshole in Bangalore thinks it is a shit bag. You depend a lot on others for your facts. Don't you?
He says that he has to hire bodyguards when he returns. They'll kill you for your shoes
Please... Have some respect for some of the poor in India who are only begging for money. If you cannot afford some charity kindly save you shoes to get out of the Country of charity.
HEY INDIA HAS CHEAP AND TALENTED LABOUR AND RAW MATERIALS AVAILABLITY SO INDIA CAN ATTRACT MORE CAPITAL FROM THE WORLD THUS INDIA HAS THE POTENTIAL TO LEAD THE WORLD.
So does China - and they are more suited to rule the world. India is extremely poor (regardless of your post). India is separated by their 20-some-odd languages. India is extremely violent. Indian cities are not planned well - powerlines run amok (see link), crowds, streets without names. You could easily get lost.
India, however has many languages spread out throughout the country. If they cannot even communicate with each other, how are they to run a planet?
How does the number of languages spoken in a country reflect it's ability to lead the world. How many languages spoken in the U.S or Canada?
USA has one national language: English. Spanish is, however, becoming increasingly popular.
Canada has two official languages: French and English. On a humorous note, the English-speaking majority has to learn French in school - whereas the French-speaking minority does not. How's that for double standard?
Where is your evidence of violence?
People I know who have been to India. Mainly first- or second-hand accounts. Newspapers, as well.
What cities are planned well?
Few are. However, the planning in India is especially horrendous.
Why do streets need names?
One can get lost quite easy - or so I hear.
Overall you are pretty ignorant to India and what goes on there.
A friend of a friend is from India. He himself had to hire bodyguards when he returned home to get his wife. What makes you think you're such an expert?
You should pick up a book called "working across cultures" by John Hooker
I can read that book, which makes India seem like a perfect place. I'm sure there are many, many other books that give a much different picture.
I didn't ask how many official languages they have. I asked how many languages are spoken. quick - do your google search so you can get educated. Especially in a country where you are quickly becoming a minority.
If you haven't been yourself the you've got no first hand evidence. Second hand evidence is at best biased to the person's personal views. Newspapers can be a reliable source depending on who is bankrolling them and what view the advertisers want them to give.
So in your view no place is well designed but India is special. How do you know they are horrendously planned? You are a city planner? You've seen one picture (maybe more depending on your google search) of some power lines and now everything in India looks like that.
What's wrong with getting lost? How do Indian people manage? The must be smart if they can get around without street signs.
My expertise on India. I'm married to a woman who's parents immigrated to Canada from India in the 70s. I have travelled there for work and personal reasons. I have no need for body guards there. People from my office travel there all the time. We have moved people there
I think you could be capable of reading. I don't think you actually can read this book though. You already think it paints India as "perfect" (which it doesn't). Just based on this type of response I can tell your ignorance won't let you read it because you've already made up your mind.
It's fun to watch you try to argue this. You keep proving your ignorance. Please respond.
I didn't ask how many official languages they have. I asked how many languages are spoken.
The various nations of the world are rapidly becoming multicultural. It is impossible to state how many languages are spoken in a certain country - especially one as populous as China.
quick - do your google search so you can get educated.
I know when I am being insulted, and I don't take kindly to it.
1. I rarely 'google' anything. I only do so if I need to find a link to verify my claims.
2. I don't need Google to get educated.
3. What makes you think that google is my primary search engine?
Especially in a country where you are quickly becoming a minority.
Immigration be damned!
I am quickly becoming the minority. When did you last check the Canadian census?
If you haven't been yourself the you've got no first hand evidence.
Have I witnessed it? No. Have I seen many pictures and heard first hand accounts? Yes. Have I read newspaper articles? Yes.
Second hand evidence is at best biased to the person's personal views.
Thus, if I had been there I still could not use myself as a source - you'd just say that I was biased.
Newspapers can be a reliable source depending on who is bankrolling them and what view the advertisers want them to give.
So you want me to read a travelogue instead? That's surely a bright idea!
So in your view no place is well designed but India is special.
Take London, for instance. London was redesigned in the late 1660s after the Great Fire of London. London was redesigned for use of horses as a primary means of transportation - not cars.
How do you know they are horrendously planned?
A native of India.
You've seen one picture (maybe more depending on your google search) of some power lines and now everything in India looks like that.
My sources: Pictures. A native of India. Amazing Race.
What's wrong with getting lost?
What's good about getting lost?
How do Indian people manage?
They're quite poor. I don't think that they do.
The must be smart if they can get around without street signs.
Or they're idiots because they can't even realize that they need them.
I'm married to a woman who's parents immigrated to Canada from India in the 70s.
Thus, you are more biased for India than I am against them. I've no problem with them - a bit disgusting, maybe, but not much of a problem.
I have travelled there for work and personal reasons.
Where?
I have no need for body guards there.
Where is there?
People from my office travel there all the time. We have moved people there
Thank you for contributing to the outsourcing of American jobs.
I think you could be capable of reading.
I seriously doubt it. I'm too ignorant to do such a thing !
I don't think you actually can read this book though.
Ha! I was right!
Frankly, I wouldn't want to read the book. I've well over 1,000 books I'd like to read first.
You already think it paints India as "perfect" (which it doesn't).
Of course they can't pain it as being completely perfect. Anybody who's spent time there would know differently.
Just based on this type of response I can tell your ignorance won't let you read it because you've already made up your mind.
What makes you think I've a mind to change?
I will gladly change my mind if I am properly convinced. Chatting with somebody over the internet most likely won't work - it'd take real-live conversation to even have a chance at changing my mind. But even then, you'd have to be somebody I trusted - I trust very few people.
It's fun to watch you try to argue this.
It is, isn't it?
You keep proving your ignorance.
Along with my distrust for humanity in general...
Please respond.
Oh I will.
NOW, TO GET DOWN TO THE DEBATE TITLE:
INDIA HAS THE POTENTIAL TO LEAD THE WORLD...
Nobody has that potential. It's just too much power for one nation to hold.
P.S.
On a personal note, you are quite fun to debate with.
Not only are you wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong, biased, stupid, and ignorant (including posts made in this debate)
...but you can't actually provide any real evidence of anything.
I'm guessing you're relying all of your knowledge of India on a couple of slums in Mumbai huh?
Who said Indians can't communicate with each other? They all know atleast 3 languages including Hindi, which is the language they all know - so how can you say they can't communicate with each other?
Violence in India? As oppose to violence in America/UK? Tell me where it's worse?
Where is crime higher?
Remember the question is India has the POTENTIAL to LEAD the world. Not conquer it.
I last checked the census in 2006. It had this to say about ethnic origin and visible minorities
"An estimated 5,068,100 individuals were members of the visible minority population. They represented 16.2% of the total population in 2006, up from 13.4% in 2001"
My guess would be that in 2011 when the next census is done these numbers will be higher (not lower). One can do their own projections as to how long it will take before you are a minority.
Just as a curiosity - why would you be worried about the outsourcing of U.S jobs given that you are Canadian?
How's this for irony. I'm a Canadian, living in the U.S all expenses paid by U.S company, who outsources to India for cheaper and highly educated labour. Capitalism at it's best!
This has been a fun conversation with and we have certainly digressed from the topic at had. Based on your responses I'm not going to continue this discussion with you. Mainly these responses
"What makes you think I've a mind to change?"
"I will gladly change my mind if I am properly convinced. Chatting with somebody over the internet most likely won't work - it'd take real-live conversation to even have a chance at changing my mind. But even then, you'd have to be somebody I trusted - I trust very few people."
"Along with my distrust for humanity in general..."
"Nobody has that potential. It's just too much power for one nation to hold"
Your views are based on newspapers, TV and accounts from other people. I'd be much more willing to carry on the discussion with you if you had actually travelled there yourself and experienced the culture. Right now I feel your views are too one-sided and immature (not in the childish sense but in the need to actually experience other cultures) to debate with.
I mistakenly thought the reason that one would participate in a site like this would be to look at opposing views and try to come to a middle ground when evidence was presented that is contrary to what one believes in. You aren't willing to do that on this topic. Your response would lead me to believe that you won't do this on any subject. If you ever want to have a discussion with a real "live" person then shoot my a note and we can arrange something for when I'm back home.
So while it's been fun I must say good-bye and good luck to you.
When it comes abt the world, people speak so many lang in diff. countries,the way India is running 2day, itwill lead the world in the same pattern tomorrow.
India is the world's second largest growing economy... after just 60 yrs of independence... after nearly 200 yrs of colonial rule under the British - who in that period robbed India of its vast wealth and heritage.
The point I'm making is that the Americans and the British are very proud of their wealth .... which is nothing but the looted booty from all their colonies. During the great depression it was the Indian gold that stabilized the entire western market.
Saying that India can't lead the world is like saying that a newborn child cant walk... but like a child learns to walk and run in sometime.... India will lead the world... certainly in some time...
Have you studied why their streets appear "unorganized". Do you know why this is? Look it up - get educated.
I believe it to be true that SOME people defecate in the Gagnes. SOME also put their dead in the river but not all. I don't see how this is any different than what is done in the U.S. Would you swim in the hudson river? Why is that? I see you are from Canada - near Toronto? If yes would you swim in Lake Ontario?
Says who? I trust people who have been to India or people who have lived in India over some travelogue designed to make them look good.
Would you swim in the hudson river?
No, I would not. Nor would I swim in Lake Ontario; I do not believe I have ever done so, and if I have it was when I was a child. Indeed, I do not much care for swimming.
I have never seen such disgusting water in Canada.
ALL 1 billion indians are extremely poor?
Of course not all 1,100,000,000 are, but they do have some of the worst slums in the world.
I am well acquainted with that list. Did you notice that, out of the two who are from India, only one still lives there?
There is a difference between managing and leading - but that's a whole different debate.
It doesn't look as if they are doing all that good of a job in managing their own country. How do you suggest they manage the rest of the world as well?
-2,000,000 children die each year in the slums of India!
india itself has so many problems to deal with how do you think will it ever be capable of leading the whole world at least for now it can't it in itself find the backward villages and provide at least free medical facilities to them
What is wrong with those Indian people - they can't even give free health care to 1 billion people. They sure are messed up.
What's funny/ironic about your statement - the U.S can't provide free medical facilities to it's population and it has roughly 1/4 of the people that India does. Based on your logic we should be asking "Why is the U.S so backwards?"
they can't even give free health care to 1 billion people. satirical
If they were a rich country then they would have the tax income from those billion people with which to provide that healthcare. That they do not is further evidence that they are still a second world country.
"Why is the U.S so backwards?"
If it is so backwards then why did you move there?
the U.S can't provide free medical facilities to it's population
the U.S. does provide medical facilities to a large population of the country maybe not free but still maximum number of people are provided with facilities
and most of the people have enough money for paying for their own checkup
in india the casual labourers are paid very less compared to the labourers in the U.S.
so the govt.of the U.S. doesn't have to provide the population free medical facilities.
fine maybe it doesn't. but it provides enough money to the people who might have been beggers if in india. coz of this these people can atleast send their kids to school and get them educated. they are therefore more aware of their own rights and help in the deve. of their country...
The US is no doubt a developed country.but it surely wasn't like that just after 60 yrs of independence.and that is just like common sense! in fact,if we go by statistics, than India actually has a better chance of being developed when centuries have passed of its independence.Moreover,in the 18th century,India and china used to be the leading countries,until the discovery of America and china's isolation.
You dont get the point do you? The ppl are poor... but the majority is not... all you have seen is the slums and the garbage... and if that is the thing ... then why do americans come to india??? to see the place which is so bad??
Yes i very well do...The per capita income is the sum total of the entire income of a country divided by the total population... 65% of indians earn well... but 35% is very poor... i agree... so the net total ie the average comes out a bit low...and that of the top 65% is very good.. those who do well in india , the middle class(comprising of the majority) have great living standards... to laugh at them??? i think you should stop talking nonsense... n where are you from??
all ppl in america thnk dat india is place of slums n garbage ok...den tell me y dis site is created...it's because india has the power to lead the world.. y don't u ask such question for france , germany , pakistan , italy , israel and many more.....it is asked for india u knw y because in real india has power 2 lead the world ....n that's y american president Barack Obama said that world should get lesson frm indian how dey work, n wat they do....i thnk majority of ppl working in NASA r frm India n in FBI n ys 60% of doctors in america r Indians, n india is 3rd leading country in terms of sceintist n engeeniers n doctors n if sme of out indians wr nt working in other countriy den india would nt b 3rd country bt it would b the 1st country to have all dese in most no.
world knows well were r indians nw ...dey r really leading in number of places.....we r d worlds largest democratians n wat u wanna knw abt ma incredible india...here ppl hv respect for other not lk america or UK were ppl don't knw who is dere neighbour. if u thnk dis is the main point 2 be considered fr being no. 1 den we r happy dat we had not still reached dat position .INDIA will become no.1 bt it will never ever broke it's tradition n culture which American n U.K ppl have lost...
n india is great dat's y u all r cmparinig India wid america
Well, ok. Because the definition of a third world country is not whether it is poor. First world country has allegiance to capitalism, Second world country is communist and third world country is any thing else. India is a capitalist country.
Sure, there is a connection between first world countries and wealth and third world countries and poverty because capitalism is the best capable of creating wealth by freedom.
Those definitions are outdated. The terms arose arose during the Cold War, but have since changed to define those countries that are in a developing state, lacking services, infrastructure and a high standard of living, I.E India and China.
Well, you could try opening any good geography book. This is taught in the first year of secondary/High school. However, if you insist, then the link below will provide the information. I quote the site:
'Political designation originally used (1963) to describe those states not part of the first world — the capitalist, economically developed states led by the U.S. — or the second world — the communist states led by the Soviet Union. The third world principally consists of the developing world, former colonies of Africa, Asia, and Latin America. With the end of the Cold War and the increased economic competitiveness of some developing countries, the term has lost its analytic clarity.'
Well then perhaps you should have read the whole definition. That the developing world is referred to as the third world is an inarguable fact. Being a pedant does not imply that you have a greater understanding of English, it merely shows that you cannot accept that the meaning of words can change. For example, 'oblivious' originally meant that you had known, but have since forgotten. It is now commonly used in the context of not knowing at all, and never having done so.
of course they can...just because india is a third world country,it doesn't mean that india doesn't have the potential to lead a world. I don't think you have ever visited india,but i live here and i know that india does have the potential...
This whole notion is based on the radical, ignorant new viewpoint popular with western youths that the west is losing its control because the developing world has a lot of people. Every one of us is worth ten of them, because we are the most educated, richest and most powerful part of the world. Cheap labor and raw materials will actually ensure their subservience, as cheap labor and raw materials are only useful if they can be sold to a rich and powerful west. If, for example, India outstripped the U.S and E.U in terms of wealth. We couldn't buy their cheaply made shit, so they would lose their market. As the majority of their workforce is employed in manufacturing, unemployment would soar. The lack of educated professionals would further compound the problem, as they would have no services to export to other countries. This is why India will never lead the world: they couldn't sustain it.
India has already figured out how to exploit the U.S and other countries. Where are all the jobs in the tech sector? When you call the help desk of a "local" company where does the call get routed to? Somehow this doesn't seem like "manufacturing" to me.
By the time anyone in the "most educated" part of the world clicks in India won't need "western" money. They will have identified other markets.
As I went back to re-read and dissect your post I realized that for someone from "the most educated, richest and most powerful part of the world" that you're writing ability isn't much above a 4th grader. You may have good ideas - although not on this topic. Until you learn how to write properly your country's jobs will keep getting outsourced to India as they exploit the crap out of the "most educated, richest and most powerful" parts of the world.
That depends entirely upon which company you are calling. If I wanted to contact Microsoft then my call would be routed to Ireland. If I have an enquiry concerning my Xbox, (made in China, sold mainly in the west, with most of the profits going to a western MN C) then my call would be handled in the U.K. Regardless, call-centres serve the companies that run them, not the other way around. These companies are usually head-quartered in the west. I f you consider the advice you usually receive from a call-centre, ('Try turning it off, is it plugged in? We'll send a technician') then you will see that working in one does not require a college degree.
won't need "western" money. They will have identified other markets.
Really? What markets would those be? The only other markets of sufficient size are other industrialised/ing Asian countries. Considering that those countries' economies are also export based, I do not see how they could be considered an alternative to the west.
you're writing ability isn't much above a 4th grader.
And yours is? Using the word 'dissect' does not make one Shakespeare (west again). Besides, if 'worth is not defined by education', then comparing me to a fourth grader is an entirely worthless argument.
as they exploit the crap out of the "most educated, richest and most powerful" parts of the world.
So five million children being payed 5 cents/hour (by western corporations) to sew footballs together is actually India 'exploiting' us?
five million children being payed 5 cents/hour (by western corporations) to sew footballs together
Until 1938 there was no national child labor laws in the U.S. Now Americans act as if they are the best in the world because they have child labor laws. Before then, American children were working just like the ones in India. Over time the Indians will make labor laws, just like the Americans.
Until 1938 there was no national child labor laws in the U.S. Now Americans act as if they are the best in the world because they have child labor laws.
That is not the issue the point was intended to highlight. It is supposed to indicate India being exploited by western nations, not of a moral deficit.
Ok - you win. I concede. Worth in India is defined by education. But wait - I disagree. Worth is defined by more than education in India. Yes education seems to be a main tenant along with being able to provide for your family and have pride in what you do.
Western Money
China and India have over 1 billion people each. Japan has 127,000,000.
The U.S has 330,000,000 and all of Europe has just over 700,0000. (numbers from google). So India and China together have double the population of Europe and the U.S. Explain to me why they would possibly need to "export" to western economies?
Why do people in western economies get so excited when China starts buying stuff from them? I hear/read of very few/no reports of China getting worried about the U.S not buying stuff from them. The story i make up is that China just doesn't give a #$%^ about what the U.S is doing. Then again I don't look very hard for evidence to the contrary. If you could present me some facts that would show otherwise - I would appreciate it.
Writing ability
Your logic on the fourth grader argument amounts to "it isn't true because it isn't true". I do apologize for getting into the abusive ad hominem attack level with you. It's just so fun do with people who don't seem to be able to argue both sides. Please accept my apologies.
Exploitation
If you look closely you will see that there are people in India profiting from the western world's desire for cheap labour. Nobody in the western world will do this work because they think it's beneath them.
I've been living in the U.S for 7 months now. I have never seen one white person doing manual labour (lawn mowing, etc). It's all immigrants. So it's easy to see why this work goes to India. They would rather work to earn some money then sit around on their ass and draw unemployment - correction - "Employment Insurance" and/or welfare from the government.
How India is doing the exploiting
In India how about the people that build the factories? Companies that build/run the equipment, phone, fabrics, leather, infrastructure, etc. Think for a little while on they types of things that need to go into a factory like this - regardless of who is paying the wages.
Come back with some ideas on how India might actually be exploiting the West. What I'm asking of you is to try debating the other side - maybe we can work something out to our disagreement and we will both learn something.
What are the main things that a family needs to be provided for them?
1. Money
2. Food
3. Shelter
4. Education
5. Healthcare
Providence is, of course, a relative term. What you or I may consider to be adequate living conditions may be completely different to what the average Indian family is satisfied with. However, by our standards, sufficient money is earned by getting a good job. The highest paying jobs are those in high tech industries, medicine, law etc. These jobs are only available to the educated. Food, shelter and healthcare all require money. Education is provided because parents realise that uneducated people have virtually no opportunities.
Explain to me why they would possibly need to "export" to western economies?
How can you be so obtuse? In 2009, China exported 1.20 trillion dollars worth of goods, mostly completed electrical components, food and raw materials, such as steel and iron. This accounted for 20% of total GDP in that year. What has fuelled China's economic growth over the last 20 years? Exports. Look on the bottom of any laptop - Made in China, look at any child's toy - Made in China, Your Xbox? - Made in China.
So India and China together have double the population of Europe and the U.S.
But a nation makes no money by selling things to its own people, because that simply moves wealth around. Wealth is gained by exporting products to other nations, which is exactly what India and China are doing. If they stopped exporting, they would become bankrupt within 7 years.
If you could present me some facts that would show otherwise - I would appreciate it.
The proof is in the numbers:
US imports: $1.558 trillion
EU imports: $2.282 trillion
China imports: $1.010 trillion
Indian exports: $232.3 billion
West imports: $3.840 trillion China + India imports: $1.242 trillion
So the west imports over 300% of what India and China import combined.
Now ask yourself (after examining the label on the bottom of your keyboard - mine is made in china), where do they import these things from?
Your logic on the fourth grader argument amounts to "it isn't true because it isn't true".
That statement is perfectly logical, if something is not true, then it is not true. Please explain to me, however, why you say my writing is juvenile.
I've been living in the U.S for 7 months now. I have never seen one white person doing manual labour (lawn mowing, etc).
As you have pointed out, the US accounts for less than a third of the western world. I live in Europe, and I have never seen an immigrant mowing the lawn. I put it to you that the very fact that people emigrate to the west is evidence that it is the richest place in the world. Also, where are those lawn-mowers built?
In India how about the people that build the factories? Companies that build/run the equipment,
You are now arguing against yourself. You deny that India's economy is based on exporting manufactured goods, and then go on to state that their exported goods are exploitative of the west. Which is it? Choose.
Here is an example of how a factory in China works:
Microsoft want to build an Xbox.
Microsoft lease a factory in China.
The Chinese build the Xbox and Microsoft pay them $30 for it.
Microsoft then sells the Xbox for $300 dollars.
Microsoft makes $270 , while the factory makes $30.
Multiply this by the 20 million Xboxes worldwide and then figure out who is exploiting who.
Mr EnigmaticMan - u missed the whole point when u said that the indian economy employs the majority in physical labour... what do you know about this country?? The indian economy is not booming because of manufacturing industries... it is booming because of its service sector .... which has no limits for expansion.. and india produces more engineers and mba graduates than any country in the world... who work in the service sector... hence.. not only will india sustain the growth.. but also continuosly expand... quite on the contrast with ur economy
. it is booming because of its service sector .... which has no limits for expansion..
The tertiary (service) sector is limited by the size of the primary (extractive/Agricultural) and secondary (Manufacturing) sectors. As the two former sectors in India rely heavily on foreign economies, the tertiary sector does as well.
and india produces more engineers and mba graduates than any country in the world
Exporting graduates does not help the economy that produced them. Producing engineers is useless if they end up in the U.S.A.
not only will india sustain the growth
Only if the West continues to expand.
quite on the contrast with ur economy
At least we don't live in slums ("bustees"), amid dogs, muck and excrement. Calcutta remains the worst city on Earth on the development index. Also, Britain's economy is worth over two trillion dollars, divided by 60 million people. India's economy, however, is worth a mere 1.1 trillion dollars, divided by about 1.4 billion people. So you see, Britain is richer than India in both GDP and GNP (i.e, in every way). How does that suit your theory of your economic superiority?
India is the world's second largest growing economy... after just 60 yrs of independence... after nearly 200 yrs of colonial rule under the British - who in that period robbed India of its vast wealth and heritage.
The point I'm making is that the Americans and the British are very proud of their wealth .... which is nothing but the looted booty from all their colonies. During the great depression it was the Indian gold that stabilized the entire western market.
Saying that India can't lead the world is like saying that a newborn child cant walk... but like a child learns to walk and run in sometime.... India will lead the world... certainly in some time...
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As for the GDP part : You need to find better sources of information...take a look at this...
The point I'm making is that the Americans and the British are very proud of their wealth
Stating the obvious is unnecessary.
which is nothing but the looted booty from all their colonies.
The Americans have never had colonies.
Saying that India can't lead the world is like saying that a newborn child cant walk
Yes, completely true.
India will lead the world
No it will not.
As for the GDP part : You need to find better sources of information
I do not consider Wikipedia to be a good source of information. Those figures are incorrect. Britain's GDP is 2.67 trillion. India's is 1.16 trillion, divided by over twenty times as many people. The link is here.
" Every one of us is worth ten of them, because we are the most educated, richest and most powerful part of the world."
Excuse me ... do you know the meaning of education ? You say you guys are the most rich and powerful but in what ... wealth ??? You guys might be the one who have loads and loads of cash ... But are you people wise ????
I suppose it to be a period of instruction and study, whose direct object is the acquisition and retention of knowledge and understanding.
You say you guys are the most rich and powerful but in what ... wealth ?
In fertile land, influential corporations, abundance of technology, military power and general education.
You guys might be the one who have loads and loads of cash.
Which, when last I heard, helped to establish whether one was wealthy or not.
But are you people wise?
Well, as a good ninety percent of all of the technological and political innovations which have, in the last two millennia, augmented the happiness of mankind, have come from Europe of North America, I should think that we are wiser than the Indians, who have been miserably oppressed by foreign nations for the better part of 500 years.
A few exceptions, of course; primarily Japan and the Ottoman empire. The latter was, of course, civilized even when all of Europe had descended into barbarism.
you know what you should seriously think on what you just wrote. how can china and america lead the world. america is the reason there are so many global crisis. and china so has issues within its country to deal with.
yeah if the world blows its self up and India is the only one left. the place is corrupt and what does really come from India???? i call and i talk to an idiot but i admit they are very nice when i talk to them. but i dont think i have ever had an i.t. support call to india that has ever been productive.
well india will surely lead the world !! to day most of western country who boast of their technological advances forget they are being led by indians.
When the U.S. fought the Brits for their independence, the Brits wore a red uniform. Every time the Americans saw a British soldier, they would yell, "The red coats are coming, the red coats are coming."
If India ever tried to take over the U.S., Americans would be forced to yell, "The red dots are coming, the red dots are coming." ;)
you think this is funny? let me tell you one thing, India can do loads about leading the world. india can do better than US, and US will lose its 'denominating attitude' someday.
India does not have the potential to lead the world because the country is full of corruption, corruption in politicians ,numerous religion, fight between various religions, and a lot more............................
Here in INDIA all fight against each other.Here the living conditions of people r not looked after all. If our govt. cannot lead us properly how can it lead the world?????
After independence, it's been 60 years. Didn't our govt look after us for 60 years? Tell me any country that's as complicated than India. Still our govt is leading us, trying hardest to make it better.
Do u say about our accent? In english? U maybe right. U Are speaking english well because you were born in a country full of people speaking the same language. So u got that right accent. In our country too, in Nagaland, they can speak with ur same accent. Tell me if u can speak any of our language, atleast hindi, with the proper accent of hindi?? You'll Never be able to....
Leads the world?? thats what you think... u probably think it leads the world just because it has fought against iraq, vietnam, north korea... big deal.. no guts to take on the big ones is it?
indians love faking the american accent and it's so not cool it actually seems crap they think they'd look cool and above all but it actually brings them so low
totally. and not all indians fake their accents. as told before in this dabate indian can speak better english than many other countries including america and britain
Oh is that because of that accent that all your mncs employ indians in their call centers in india.. for all their consumers across the world... u find it freakish because we can speak english more clearly than u ofcourse...
you cannot complete about our accent because everybody has got their own language...and i bet u if u talk in our language that will be the new thing to laugh at.....we are much better..........
ya u r right that UNDP started comparing countries on the basis of HDI but ur information is quite wrong that india have a gud HDI. now india is leading on 125th rank in the world Human Development index.As india tops world hunger chart and ranks 94th rank in it out of 119 countries and it rank 84th out of 180 countries in corruption index so how it can lead the world.
we are improving in HDI..we didn't totally succeed but u can't tell that we never would succeed..
and you should also know that we were under colonial rule for many years...so we would take sometime to be at first but would one day lead you also..
as we always know that slow and steady wins the race...
tomorrow is different from today..it changes totally..
we may be at 125th rank in the world Human Development index...but compared to our old one we have improved..and this status will change a day totally.....that time will come very soon ..and that time you yourself will be proud of our country, india..then india and will be no way less than other countries...
I am not writing this as an Indian citizen but as a common person. I don't think that India can develop as no one cares for developing India and making it a more civilised but of just earning money, capturing power, etc. which Govt. employees do and many big businessmen and professionals do. As former President of India, Dr. A.P.J. Abdul Kalam has rightly said in his book, Ignited Mind's preface, that the book is all about breaking away from the forces that would prefer India to remain a nation of a billion people selling cheap labour in and raw materials and providing a large market for goods and services of other nations. We are just providing cheap labour and a big market for other countries. Today, we cannot be totally called self-sufficient. And I don't think this will stop ever. I know that you will say that even USA is not self-sufficient but still it is leading the world, but I think that is not the point, because atleast It is not providing cheap labour in other countries and work in their own countries. People of India just believe in earning good money, not for developing and civilising their own country.
India will never be able to lead the world for so many good reasons. 35% of the Indian population cannot even read. You people must've read in the newspapers that 7 states of our country are poorer than countries of Africa.
i dont think soooo even as an indian citizen.........because of soo much unemployment i dont think the gdp of india will increase in the next 5 years....... they dont even have enough funds to feed all the poor..how can we even imagine them to lead the world...........
As we know that India is fully filled with corruption. Each and every person have no time to help others, his only aim is to earn money in any way.Our manners and civilization are reducing and reducing every day.
India... where they have like a whole class of opressed people and a huge wealth differences? And with a language that the majority of the world can't understand and doesn't want to understand? India's education quality has nothing compared to Western education and it's the superpowers that control the world's economy.
I highly doubt India will ever lead the world, and it doesn't even have the potential to. It should leave that to the superpowers.
Man atleast we have our own languages...not taken from britain... n just because english is globalised (not by u..by the british)... doesnt mean its something great... it is the most illogical language in the world... but chinese and sanskrit are the most logical languages in the world... even used in computer programming..
Did you know that not EVERYONE on this website is American? You said I took my language from Britain, I AM BRITISH. Right now, I am in England. My country globalised our language, so stop trying to knock it down by trying to use that against it.
People don't always care about logic. Face facts - English is the most widely spoken language (though not the most spoken). It probably will continue to be, as well. The majority of speakers (including myself) don't use the correct grammar and the language is constantly changing, not making sense half the time.
Just because it's used in computer programming, though how it is I don't know as I thought computer programming was done in binary, doesn't make it great. The invention of the computer was mainly done in the USA and the UK - which are both English speaking countries.
India is the world's second largest growing economy... after just 60 yrs of independence... after nearly 200 yrs of colonial rule under the British - who in that period robbed India of its vast wealth and heritage.
The point I'm making is that the Americans and the British are very proud of their wealth .... which is nothing but the looted booty from all their colonies. During the great depression it was the Indian gold that stabilized the entire western market.
Saying that India can't lead the world is like saying that a newborn child cant walk... but like a child learns to walk and run in sometime.... India will lead the world... certainly in some time...
Saying that India can't lead the world is like saying that a newborn child cant walk... but like a child learns to walk and run in sometime.... India will lead the world... certainly in some time...
ur wrong there dude........ppl r trying to lear hindi(which is an indian language) only b'coz they think india has the potential to lead the world. just last yr hundreds of hindi teachers were summoned abroad to teach hindi.and abt english. did u kno that many of the english words r derived frm sanskrit(again an indian language). like brother is derived frm brathra and mother frm matra.put ur facts rights b4 publishing them
yesssssss exactly,you ppl. only see us as snake charmers why the hell india didn't crashed out in economic recession lyk other western countries and u.s. afterall its economic stability isn't either strong just because we ppl. have tht much developed brains.............we'll show you ppl. soon.....what india holds.JAI HIND JAI BHARAT
india didn't crashed out in economic recession lyk other western countries
India did face economic recession. just last year. fortunately my dad hadn't taken any shares or else dad would have been under a lot of pressure. it was not very popular then as it is now and so we didn't really feel it. but India did face recession, or atleast something like it.
India has the potential to lead because it has the second largest man power n third largest army in the world n it is a country full of hopes n aspirations n for Indians nothing is impossible, n we r proud to be Indians n we will lead the world n be the king of the world in every manner. even 34% scientists in NASA are Indians.
INDIA surely does has gr8 armed forces....but if so why is pakistan still thrashing india..???
why isn't dis asset being put to use..??
and why r the armed forces not receiving the kind of respect they ought to receive..??..their pay structure is something dat has been debated upon...why is it so dat these ppl are ready to die for dis damn country nd dis country still does not have the kind of respect for them they shud be having...??
The increasing population means less land, and less land means a big crowd on every place. India is able to win gold medal of corrosion, terrorism , illeteracy, violence, etc.
aah....u r saying like that we only have this things....other countries donot has this...america which seem to be leading the world donot have bad qualities....it eats less and waste more...the amount of food it waste can be utillised to feed the whole indian population....it creates pollution more and blame us....what about it!!
aahhh so the debate is getting hot here. i dnt knw why you all are just fighting? you all are saying things like you all are the world's best astrologers. i think leading the world is not the main motive of India. its main motive is to give food to the starving one, give clothes to the naked one. give shelter to one who doesn't have. In case if you are talking about the per ca pita income, India is working on it that's why its rising poor to middle and soon middle will rise to richer section of country.
while we are talking about usa and other countries, they are rich no doubt, but their richness is just the stolen one. they might think that they have got superior minds but i wanna knw if they are superior then why are they just giving the jobs to the indians? i guess you might be with no words at the moment. we indians can work better than you. you are rich still fighting with other countries to lead the world. we are not rich still we give our best. don't you appreciate the fact that we have such a great variation of religions and still we are keeping a gud pace with development. you people can't do that. and that's a challenge. you cannot manage people having same religion but still you dnt have a feel of brotherhood in yourself. you all are not united. but we indians are. you just knw how to exploit people and dont even bother about the communal harmony. you people think that you are better then others but if you talk about humanism you are on the last position. bieng nice is what it matters. if you are full of rage then earth doesnt need you. being rich doesnt make a sense to be superior. you might have the money but you dont have the right place to utilise it. we dont let indian money go away waste. you let it. i wanna tell you that if a thing exceeds its limit it breaks down or turn out to be bad and so your countries richness will.
dont be proud on what you have artificially. we proud to be indians because we are more corporative than others, we knw your language as well as ours too, we can be calm and go for peace no matter how much insult we have to face cuz we knw that violation leads to destruction and nothing else.
in end i want to conclude that we all are humans, no matter in which country we are what we do or which language we speak. we should be honest polite and helpful. dont forget that we helped britain to fight in world war. we are helpful and kind which shows our greatness.
but our biggest hurdle to growth is our political leadership dominated by corrupt self servers......they fail to rally the nation to any cause and blatantly exploit all projects of development..
our leadership has failed our nations progress and made us look timid before the world smashing our relevance as a mighty asian nation.This attitude will not better in times to come..!!!
The per capita income of our country is 442 dollars and is ranked 139th in the world order...in comparison the per capita income of a US citizen is 33000 dollars and is ranked 6th in the world..!!!....talking of mineral wealth. The country has immense mineral resources which is however grossly underexploted.The population growth is making India burst at its seams.
Medicare in INDIA is dismal with an astounding figure of 1 million dying every year due to lack of it..!!The world average of patients to beds is 3.96 beds per 1000 patients , INDIA's average is 0.7 beds per 1000 patients..!!
the country has the highest mother and child mortality rate.The child mortality is 5.6 million every year that is half of the world's total..........
Can you imagine anything like the CWG debacle happening anywhere else in the world . We have shamed ourselves to be ridiculed by the world.We will never get another oppurtunity to showcase ourselves again..!!!
we need superhuman energy to get out of this quagmire of corruption..this is only possible if every citizen dedicated himself to the cause and mobilises his sphere of influence..
The truth is for all us to see,let's be honest to this issue..!!
Let's not fool oursel with empty claims...
the country has the wherewithal to make a superpower....but do we have the resolve to make it one..????...The answer is NO
i think, the india is not ready to lead the world because of many reasons..
1.) the politians of our country are involved in black money cases. they try to gain or earn money as possible.
2.) they always try to make a big issue of useless topics. e.g., if a politian says something about another politian, they try to make it a big issue .
if you know so much about the politicians then why dont you join politics. sitting and blaming anything is very easy but finding out a solution and doing it is very hard. if now also india is so backward...the reason is its lazy young generation!!!
people criticize the politics and calls it a gutter..so the question arises here then why people dont go and clean it???
if you know so much about politicians then why dont you join politics ...sitting and blaming anything is very easy but finding a solution and doing it is very hard!!if india is today backward ..then the reason is its lazy young generation!!!people love to criticize politics calling it a gutter ...so the question arises here why dont people go and clean it???
very nice cute mini.......thats exactly wat i wanted to say.nd id like to add.....china has a lrge popu too but it used it as an asset and acheived delopment and all the younger generation in india does is sit and blame.......y cant WE work for wat WE want???
If we analyse the reason for our failure, the glaring fact is we are the most physically unfit people in the world, The reasons are all too evident.
We are the laziest people in the world. We hate to do any physical work. In our home we have servants or helpers to do our cleaning, washing, cooking and all other domestic chores. We do not go to work walking even if it is close by. We do not drive our own cars. We do not even go to the nearby market or shopping centre walking, but use a vehicle.
Our children do not do any physical work at home. The rich have servants and the poor have parents. In schools we have no sports or physical activity for children. There are no playfields in most of the schools and sports activity is not compulsory. Our children eat junk food and become lazy without any physical activity and finally become overweight and many of them develop diseases and disabilities.
We do not see what is happening elsewhere in the world and how everything is getting a boost. If we want to develop we must change our mindset and go along with the rest of the world. We must change our lifestyle and involve in more physical activity even in our domestic life, social life and in our professional work.
