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List of Islamic Terror Attacks For the Past 30 Days ... http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

The sooner man abandons religion the better. We especially don't need people believing that there is an afterlife. This life is all there is. Live it for yourself, not for some invisible man.

dadman(1701) Disputed
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What about the Atheist

When Christopher Hitchens observes that .. “Religion is violent .. irrational .. intolerant .. allied to racism and tribalism and bigotry .. invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry .. contemptuous of women and coercive toward children" .. he is both right and wrong . . . . . Hitchens is right because humankind is sinful and selfish .. Indeed .. I believe it was G.K. Chesterton who said that the one Christian doctrine that was demonstrably provable .. even to casual observers .. was the sinfulness and depravity of man .. Thus .. human expressions of the religious impulse will inevitably produce some religious practices and beliefs that would fit Hitchens’ rather grim description . . . . Human history is replete with such flawed expressions of religious faith

However . . this would be true of all secular philosophies and ideologies as well .. Three of the most heinous and barbaric ideologies .. which produced the greatest cruelties and violations of humanity in the 20th century .. were fascism .. Nazism and communism . . . . all secular

Hitchens is wrong in that he condemns all religious expression to the category of such violent and negative expressions . . . Many of the noblest expressions of humanity throughout the centuries have been performed in the name of religion . . . One thinks of William Wilberforce and his long campaign to end the slave trade in the British Empire . . . Both the British and American abolitionist movements were founded .. nurtured .. financed and led to victory against the horrific evil of slavery by people who were most often inspired and motivated by deep religious conviction

The great social reform movements of the last half of the 19th and the first half of the 20th century ( child labor reform .. etc ) were often led by people of deep religious faith .. Protestant and Catholic

And of course .. in the lifetime of many of us who were born in the last half of the 20th century .. the most successful and greatest reform movement was the civil rights revolution .. led by a Baptist minister .. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr .. who often said that the movement and the faith that inspired it could not be separated . . . As many will remember .. the civil rights revolution was supported by and led to victory in large part because of the leadership of clergy .. black and white

Lastly .. one is led to ask Mr. Hitchens some questions ..

• Where are the great atheist-sponsored charitable and reform movements ?

• Where are the atheist children homes and orphanages ? ( no .. the government will not count )

• Where are the atheist leaders who are taking vows of poverty and giving themselves in sacrificial service to others ?

As Arthur C. Brooks .. professor at Syracuse University .. points out in his recent book .. Who Really Cares ? (2006): Religious people are far more generous with their own time and money than secularists .. Brooks concludes .. “Religious folks are by far the most charitable people in America today”

. . . . . Dr Richard Land

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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You dumb fuck. You can't post a debate slamming all Islamic people because some are bad then post that not all religious people should be slammed if only some are bad.

nobodyknows(745) Disputed
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I don't advocate atheism. I advocate man's acceptance of his own ignorance. Ideologues and the religious are equally guilty of dogmatic adherence to their beliefs at the cost of millions of lives.

AveSatanas(4437) Disputed
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However . . this would be true of all secular philosophies and ideologies as well .. Three of the most heinous and barbaric ideologies .. which produced the greatest cruelties and violations of humanity in the 20th century .. were fascism .. Nazism and communism . . . . all secular

you do know "secular" and "atheistic" are not synonyms right? THey dont mean the same thing. Secular means indifferent to or not concerning religion. So a potato is secular. A chair is secular. if it doesnt have anything to do with religion its secular. Therfore under this probably the majority of charities and organisations are secular because most dont have anything to do with religion at all. Atheistic on the other hand directly means someone who doesnt believe in god or a charity that is formed under the label of a group without beliefs in god. These are fewer in number because it is pointless to label a charity as not believing in a god. They usually just go by the word secular. However atheist groups can form charities and donate to charities under their atheist group names.

As for your connection to nazism and fascism and whatever, um, capitalism and democracy are also secular. They all are political ideologies that have nothing to do with religion. So if your argument that secular = fascism and fascism = bad then democracy also = bad by the same argument. They are bad ideologies that happened to be secular, not bad ideologies because they are secular. ever hear of correlation and causation? Also, nazism, while not directly catholic, banded with catholecism. Hitler and the pope were friends. This is because the nazis who believed in totalitarianism were very compatible with catholicism which wanted a theocracy which is a religious form of totalitarianism. But anyways thats a different arugment.

Where are the great atheist-sponsored charitable and reform movements

http://www.freethoughtpedia.com/wiki/Secular_charities

Those are ones run by secular/atheist groups however there are many many more atheist and atheist groups that just donate to other types of charities that are already up and running or different establishments like childrens hospitals.

Where are the atheist children homes and orphanages ? ( no .. the government will not count )

Why cant the government count? because that would fuck your argument so youre gonna make a stupid rule that basically cuts me off from citing the biggest counterargument i have? Sorry buddy the government DOES count and IS secular.

Where are the atheist leaders who are taking vows of poverty and giving themselves in sacrificial service to others ?

the better argument is where the fuck is ANY christian leader doing this when its in the fucking bible? What kind of stupid argument is this? And why does anyone have to take a vow of poverty to do this? Hey, if you want vows of poverty and selfless sacrifice for others check out BUDDHISM. Those monks have it all over any christian leader as far as giving up and helping others. So how about fuck christianity and islam, and if it cant be atheism either then go buddhists!

As Arthur C. Brooks .. professor at Syracuse University .. points out in his recent book .. Who Really Cares ? (2006): Religious people are far more generous with their own time and money than secularists .. Brooks concludes .. “Religious folks are by far the most charitable people in America today”

Woah a book says somethnig so it must be true!! Who the fuck cares what this guy thinks? There is no indication anywhere that the average christian citizen gives more to charity than the average atheist, buddhist, or muslim. Christianity only boasts such high donations because, HELLO, they are 70% of the fucking population. Christians always go "look at us were so great giving so much money to [insert cause here] where are all the atheists? they must not care!" uh no retards we do donate however we are a vast minority with very limited resources so our numbers arent nearly as impressive as 2 thirds of the population. Its also very hard to tell how much atheists give because most of them dont brag about it and give independently instead of giving as a group, and its hard enough as it is figuring out how many atheists even exist in the us because many keep quiet about it and pretend to be religious.

Your argument is shit. you have nothing but some guys opinion in a 8 year old book and some stupid questions i answered with ease. Im not defending islam either i understand the topic of the debate. Yeah islam is shit, violent, and idiotic, but christianity is no cake walk either. Christians behaved the same way back a few hundred years. It took a secular society to rise up and ban those kinds of behavior and basically neuter it so it cant do what it wants anymore. christianity and islam are very similar to the core. the only difference is christianity has been domesticated.

But my whole stance is that who cares what is more peaceful or violent or who gives the most? I care about what is TRUE. These are just religions. Its the PEOPLE who give money and donate time, not the religion. So why not dump the religion and keep the giving? If religion disappeared i guarantee nothing would change. In fact, there would be more money to donate because less of it would be hoarded by the catholic church and evangelical megachurches around the US.

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Satanic, no. Satanist don't believe in murder or sacrifice. Extremist Muslims are worse then Satanist.

dadman(1701) Disputed
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"Satanist don't believe in murder or sacrifice" ......

Satan is a liar and a murder from the beginning .... http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=751#p751

DevinSeay(1120) Disputed
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Never said Satan. I said Satanist.

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God help the person/s who have to live w/ AveSatanas

"Why cant the government count? because that would fuck your argument so youre gonna make a stupid rule that basically cuts me off from citing the biggest counterargument i have? Sorry buddy the government DOES count and IS secular. "

......... um, because the gubmt TAKES your money ??

And?! theyre called taxes you dumbfuck. Theyre a necessary part of living in the US and most other countries in the world. The "gubmt" as you so eloquently put it, takes your money because thats how they pay for infrastructure like roads and bridges, subsidizing food production so you can eat, national defense so were safe, and thousands of other things that make life in the US so cushy and that includes adoption!

So what youre saying is you would rather have christian charities which depend on the willfull donations of people to fund adoption, donations that can go up or down depending on a very shady economy and the willingness of the people, instead of using the governments vast budget collected by the mandatory taxes we all pay to fund adoption which will never change?

Also you can just click "dispute" below my name and directly respond to me instead of making a new post.

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I find the taking of a life because someone practices a different religion absolutely horrific. If someone simply practices a different religion, we should be tolerant as long as they allow others to coexist in peace.

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This video is old. But it shows the people the US was about to support in the war in Syria. Assad may be a bastard, but he is a baby compared to these people.

May those Shite truckers souls rest in peace.