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 I get it, the Democrat Party's goal of socialism, but you folks voting for these people? (43)

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I get it, the Democrat Party's goal of socialism, but you folks voting for these people?

I understand why the Democrat Party constantly decieves, exaggerates, and twists everything Trump and Conservatives say and do... I GET IT!

What I can not grasp is how supposedly intelligent people on the Left, who vote for these corrupt liars, can not see through it all.

So could I just once get an honest response to why you repeat the same garbage coming out of their mouths?

Do you honestly think Trump dislikes all Mexicans and wants to prevent them all from legal immigration?

Do you honestly think Trump dislikes all Muslims and wants to ban them all from getting in this country?

Do you honestly think Trump dislikes women and wants to prevent them from getting women's healthcare(other than paid abortions)?

Do you honestly think Trump hates the sick and wants to prevent them from getting healthcare?

I could go on and on about the lies coming out from the Democrat Party. I understand their motives to tear down and destroy anyone at odds with their ultimate goal of full blown socialism in America.

But here you are.... repeating the same distorted fake news we hear from the Left.

So please answer me, are you just as deceptive as these politicians, repeating the same garbage, happily allowing our Liberal biased media to repeat the same fake news, saying nothing while our pubic universities display paintings of Trump's severed head on their walls, or are you truly that mindblowingly stupid not to see through it all? WHICH IS IT?

Are you basically socialists who want a Big Brother Government redistributing other's money TO YOU, telling us all how to think and how our state and public school laws must be? Or are you so sickenly blind to this socialistic Progressive movement going on these past decades, that you truly believe these Democrats when they say they are not closet Socialists.

After eight years of the most Liberal President in our lifetime, did you simply sleep and miss what a failed presidency it has been? Unless you are an able bodied person living off welfare, NOTHING IMPROVED.... EVERYTHING GOT WORSE!

This extreme Liberal Democrat Party spent eight years trying to force every State, every public school, every company, every American citizen to bow to their socialistic ideology and their political correct activism.

IS THIS WHAT YOU ACTUALLY WANT, or are you completely mindlessly pathetically stupid? WHICH IS IT! BE HONEST JUST ONCE!

Do you actually think that record numbers of people now on food stamps was a success story? Do you think that record numbers of children with no fathers at home is a success story? Do you actually think that growng numbers of big city gang deaths and killings is a success story?

Do you actually think that temporarilly adding 20 million people to the medicaid roles, rather than creating jobs and health insurance people could afford, was a success story? These 20 million people living off middle class famiies is unsustainable! The exchanges are collapsing so therefore it could never work and it was NEVER a success story! It was a complete lie from the beginning to further force their supposed socialist utopia.
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I think the Left is simply a repudiation of the "religious right". If Conservatives say up, Liberals say down. If Conservatives say the sky is blue, liberals say the sky is pink.

I say this because they had the stance of free speech when I was young, now they are anti free speech because free speech now empowers the Right and makes their (the left's) stances look ridiculous.

They used to say they were pro feminism. They can't say that now because Islam contradicts that notion and they need them as political allies.

They used the pro gay stance for years, and now they have allied with the most anti gay religious cult on Earth.

They take a stance literally based on whether it can keep Christ out of America or not, and taking opposite stands than the right on everything is how they plan on doing that.

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You are 100% correct. They have finally shown their utter hypocrisy and double standards to what they truly stand for.

There is not an issue out there that they have not flip flopped 180 degrees.

When it comes to abortion, they first claimed to be prolife, then pro choice 1st trimester only, then second trimester, then all trimesters unless extreme cases, and then FINALLY THE TRUTH OF THEIR INHUMANITY CAME OUT..... NO RESTRICTION ABORTIONS OF ANY VIABLE BABY, AT ANY STAGE, FOR ANY REASON!

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I see "The Poor Little Snowflake" Cuaroc still follows you around and 'The Poor Little Snowflake" could never come up with an original debate if the "Basement Boy" had to.

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Yes, in life we will always have insecure dysfunctional people who try their best to bring attention to themselves.

They lack the ability to create attention on their own, so they must sponge off the work of others.

Kind of like the Democrat Party's Liberal socialistic ideology. Able bodied people refuse to support themselves, so they must sponge off the sweat of others.

They literally take every issue and ask "will this help or hurt the right", and that and that alone decides where they stand on every issue. That's why half of what they do and say makes no sense to anyone with common sense.

With Obama hosing the Native Americans with water hoses and ignoring the attacks on Natives, they screamed and squealed all over social media. Then Obama turned the hoses on them, and the issue silenced.

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Hello From:

Gee - I'm not banned...

Here's the deal.. I'm a lib AND a capitalist... But, socialism has its place in a capitalist society.. Let's just take your local fire department... It's SOCIALISM personified.. The government OWNS the means of production.. The government FORCES everybody to pay. And the government PROTECTS everybody EQUALLY...

And, it seems to me that a heart attack is just another fire.

excon

PS> Ok, you can call me a liar now.

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My people already have socialized medicine, casinos, and free food cards, and you claim your race has the "privilege". I'm glad your people came and took the land. My forefathers? Not so much. But me? I'm good.

FromWithin(8241) Clarified
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Hello ex, I'm giving you another chance :) You will not be banned if you are not deceptive and admit the truth when you hear it.

No one on this planet denies that every nation has some form of socialism no matter how small it might be.

Please do not confuse the type of Socialism I'm speaking to, with basic functions of Government such as military, law enforcement, safety nets, etc.

We could debate until doomsday what Government should and should not be involved with. We could debate until doomsday what is a safety net and how much of the people's income can be taken for those safety nets.

Our nation was founded on the principles of SMALLER LESS INTRUSIVE GOVERNMENT. Our nation's founders fought a war to get away from corrupt Government control.

It worked wonderfully as the freedoms and liberties to the people made America the gretest nation on Earth.

What myself and others are saying is that Government should be kept as small and lean as possible, and that the people are much better at handling most of our problems.

As you see with our 20 trillion national debt, Government is TERRIBLE at keeping a budget because they have the power to print money to keep themsleves in office. IT'S A PONZY SCHEME and we are in a death spiral of bankrupcy.

When the Government does not have to balance it's budget on thousands of social programs, we are seeing the results....bankrupcy in Obamacare, bankrupcy in social security, etc. etc.

Today even establishment Repubicans are caving in to the Left's brainwashing of Americans. For Decades Democrats have been conditioning people to believe we are entitled to other's money and that Government has the right to take it.

If Republicans do what's best for our nation, they will not be elected by these spoiled entitled dependents because Democrats wil demonize them as hating the poor.

Compassion is NOT handing out money, we don't have, to get elected.

A compassionate parent understands that living high on the hog can only last for a time. That rainy day will come and the family ends up with much worse hardship then if they had stayed responsible from the beginning.

When our naton crashes, there will be so much more pain to all Americans then if we had lived within our means, with a safety net, and not promised everyone a free lunch from cradle to grave on the backs of tax payers.

How much socialism is too much? We are seeing it big time in the Democrat Party. Even the Repubican party is starting to become bigger spenders, caving in to the constant attacks from the Left as hating the poor, hating women, etc. etc. etc.

excon(18260) Clarified
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Hello again, From:

All that is well and good.. But, where the rubber meets the road, EVERYBODY spends like a drunken sailor once they're elected.. Spending too much of the peoples money isn't socialism.. It's fiscal irresponsibility, and BOTH sides do it.. By the way, the orange man is about to spend us into oblivion,. He's gonna make Obama look like a piker..

excon

outlaw60(15368) Disputed
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Hello excon:

Fire Departments across America are socialist and you can explain that ? Give it a go this should be fun !!!!!!!!!

excon(18260) Disputed
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Hello o:

Simple.. The government OWNS the means of production.. The people are FORCED to pay for it, and EVERYBODY is covered EQUALLY... What's more socialistic than that?

excon

Do you honestly think Trump dislikes all Mexicans and wants to prevent them all from legal immigration?

No, but I think he capitalized on the fact that lots of people across the country have a natural fear of outsiders, and he chose to use that fact to get elected rather than try to correct it.

And tell me, what exactly has Trump done in office to make legal immigration easier, as he repeatedly promised he would do throughout his campaign.

Do you honestly think Trump dislikes all Muslims and wants to ban them all from getting in this country?

Of course not.

Do you honestly think Trump dislikes women and wants to prevent them from getting women's healthcare(other than paid abortions)?

No, he just doesn't have a practical plan to pay for this, and favors tax reduction over actually trying to solve that problem.

Do you honestly think Trump hates the sick and wants to prevent them from getting healthcare?

No, he has said repeatedly that he wants universal health care for everyone, actually. I just think he has absolutely no idea how to do that.

FromWithin(8241) Disputed
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Try reading my debate once more. I was speaking to the brainwashed sheep who spew those same words towards Trump. They repeat the same lies that the Liberal media and Democrat Party spew.

The debate is asking the simple question.... are they mindnumbignly stupid to repeat such ludcrous lies, or are they as deceptive and intolerant as the Left towards diverse political opinions.

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That's not debating. You can't say, "Democrats think this!" and then when a Democrat says "I don't think that" you say "Then I'm not talking to you!" You're having an argument with people in your head. Wanna respond to anything I said before, or you wanna keep going after the deceptive people who aren't here?

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The current divide in the country is exactly why Washington warned against the formation of political parties. Everything is through an ideological lens now. Trump is one of the most leftist Republicans in a long time (he let Caitlyn Jenner use the woman's bathroom at Trump Tower, he opposes NAFTA like Bernie Sanders does), but everyone on the left and the right thinks he's the most conservative conservative who ever conserved, though they differ on whether that's a good or a bad thing. Things would be so much more open and fresh if people let go of political ideologies and just believed in what they though was right.

FromWithin(8241) Clarified
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The verdict is still out on Trump and his core beliefs. All I know is that already he has done more for the middle class and all Americans (not just the political correct ones) than Obama did in eight years.

He already stopped giving American tax dollars to fund overseas abortions. He's trying to stop American tax dollars to pay for Panned parenthood abortions through his new healthcare plan.

He's actually inforcing immigration laws and illegal immigration has already dropped substancially.

He's getting rid of many mindless regulations hurting our job creators.

I don't konw if he is mainly Conservative or not, but i sure know he is light years more conservative than Democrats. They hate him more than any president in history.

THAT TELLS ME EVERYTHING. For that reason alone I love the guy.

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You can define socialism with the dictionary, and liberals will say that's not what socialism is. But then they never provide you any different definition.

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1. I don't know Trump. He isn't my family or my friend. Who can really know what's he think or what he likes? I do believe that what he says, whether it is true or not, is important. Especially for his foreign policy. But otherwise, i believe we can judge only on his actions.

2. I am a socialist. A real socialist. I voted Melanchon and yesterday I voted macron. These men are socialists ( one is communist actually ) .

American Democrats pretend to be. I speak from having lived and voted in both countries. There is no way that Americans can know what socialism is unless they've lived it. And I promise you that Obama's years were far from being socialist. It had socialist tints and ideals. I am speaking from experience.

3. Why am I socialist ? That is a good question. I am a recently graduated engineer. I now have a large salary. In France, I would be enormously taxed. Under Obama, I was taxed as well. I honestly don't mind. Yes a lot of my money goes away. So what ? I make enough to eat, to have a reasonable apartment, to live a good life, to sometimes see a doctor. I don't mind. I don't need all that money. I would rather share it.

There is also that relief in knowing that if some accident were to happen I won't end up on the street. I work hard but accidents happen to everyone. That is why I am a socialist. Does it help economic development? It does not. It keep everything stagnant.

FromWithin(8241) Disputed
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First of all, would you freely give so much of your money to help abled bodied people if the Government did not force you to?

If it is true you don't mind having so much of your money taken, then do so freely and give all that money as charity to others. I'm all for Government creating huge natonal charitable health savings accounts for those who can not afford healthcare. In this way, all you socialistic types can give 75% of your income to these savings accounts. WOULD YOU STILL DO SO?

This is why Socialists are such phonies. They don't want to give so much of their own money freely, it must be forcibly taken from everyone by corrupt politicians. We have no choice. Maybe you are a sheep who does not care that corrupt politicians will take your hard earned money and resdistribute it in a way to garner the most votes.

France is trying to take even more of the workers money and many are threatening to move out of the nation.

WE HAVE SAFETY NETS FOR THOSE ACCIDENTS YOU SPEAK OF IN LIFE. NO ONE IN AMERICA IS LEFT IN THE STREETS TO DIE!

In America, we once understood the corruption of Government, and found that family, Church and charitable foundtions did a FAR BETTER job of helping the poor without bankrupting our nation.

Gypsee(347) Clarified
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First of all, would you freely give so much of your money to help abled bodied people if the Government did not force you to?

If I had the choice, I would. It wouldn't be out of charity though. Are interested in knowing why?

Socialism is not at all about being charitable.

Maybe you've met French people who complain about it. There are who do.

You can ask a French person of every class and you will find that the majority will not complain about having a universal health care or cheap education. They might complain about other things that come with socialism.

I do care about corrupt politicians. They are a threat to democracy. I believe though that not giving them our money isn't helping us or hurting them.

Corrupt politician feed of money and uneducated morons.

So, if there is healthy educated population, and limits to their expenses, wouldn't the chances of having a corrupt politician will be lowered?

In a few countries in Europe, the amount of money put into their campaign is limited. So paying your votes is a little more complicated.

I actually agree with you. I would never trust the American government with my money though. Now more than ever.

I don't even trust Americans. No one trusts each other. It's stupid and reckless to trust in the United States. Maybe you've seen a time when people were more united but my generation is not. So no matter how much democrats try, socialism will mostly likely not work in the US ( at least not now) It doesn't stop me from fighting for socialist ideas. Why shouldn't I ? I know it works in Europe...

Socialism requires trust and a united population. The American population is not.

Never do Americans fight together... Always in restricted groups. That is because American don't have shared values anymore.

Their heads have been so washed in the capitalist drive of having more money. They value money.

A lot can be told from a country's motto.

The motto is what unites everyone. The US is in God we trust. As you noted, you feel that Americans drifted from their original common value which is God. We today value merit, money, individual freedom.

I take the example of France: it is Liberty, equality and fraternity. No what happens, these are what French people will die for. They will die for each other.

Look at China's motto: serve the people. They will fight for their people.

We used to fight for God but somehow it changed to money...

So I agree that something broke in the US.

So I actually think socialism will never work with us. It is not in our culture. We have lived too long in an individualistic society.

stswebb(73) Banned
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Yawn. Another American wingnut who doesn't understand what the word "socialism" means. You guys probably don't pay enough attention to the rest of the world to realise this, but your politics are so absurdly skewed to the right that in most countries the U.S. Democratic party would be considered to be on the centre-right, and the Republican party would be considered to be simply insane.

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Really? Then why are their abortion laws stricter? Cue crickets.

Gypsee(347) Disputed
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I just noticed this but in quite a few countries in Europe, government pays for your abortion ....

stswebb(73) Disputed Banned
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Yes, there are many countries in which abortion is completely illegal, although notably most of the time this is due to Christianity or some other religious delusion. (Besides which, you and I both know full well that the Republicans would overturn Roe v. Wade tomorrow if they could). The point, however, is that nothing the Democrats have done, are doing or will ever do could be described as "socialism" by anyone who has any knowledge whatsoever of what that would means.

Negligentt(397) Disputed
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So tell us what it means. Liberals always forget that part.

Negligentt(397) Disputed
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Definition of socialism

1

: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2

a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property

b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

3

: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

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Well I think the thing that makes Trump one of the least popular presidents of all time is the constant lying. Sure all politicians lie but he is just excruciatingly bad at it. The are many many examples but the most obvious was when he said 1.5 million people attended his inauguration. It is silly. At least lie about something people cant check!!

FromWithin(8241) Disputed
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LOL, you have the nerve to speak of liars after eight LONG years of costant lies from Democrats?

People like you bring up mindless statements concerning numbers at a crowd, and say nothing to all Hillary's and Obama lies about emails, Obamcare, IRS, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, etc. etc.

YOU BRING UP THE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE AT AN INAUGURATION?

You prove everything I ever say about Democrats. You are beyond belief, beyond double standards and beyond hypocrisy.

Atrag(5666) Disputed
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I am not American. Democrats are terrible I'm sure. That doesn't negate what a awful liar Trump is and why the fact his lies are so obvious makes him unpopular.