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I have changed my mind... marijuana studies are fake and it shouldn't be legal

Look who's funding the studies. The funding is going to people who profit off marijuana. Let me put this in the context of another drug by comparison. For this comparison we're gonna say I'm a rich drug lord with a lot of money and I want to make cocaine legal:

Step 1: find a doctor, which means they are also a scientist, that I can corrupt

Step 2: offer them five million dollars to produce a atudy that cocaine is good for you

Step 3: find a bunch more doctors who I can do this to and repeat steps one and two a few times

Step 4: publish studies

Step 5: profit

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2 points

I dont really know if the studies are fake or not, im not really into science; but I wonder what kind of benefit will drugs bring to people

People will be tempted to escape their daily problems through drugs rather solving them; the same could be argued about alcohol, but at least with alcohol there is a physical consequence (hangover) so people try not to abuse

Side: True
Antrim(1297) Clarified
2 points

Well said.

Weak minded people who cannot deal with the harsh realities of life seek an escape route through whatever means they can find.

Such low lives find temporary solace in booze and a range of illegal drugs.

It's embarrassing to hear the fools trying to play down the negative side effects of their self imposed drug addiction whilst totally ignoring the mental and physical health hazards they all carry.

Alcohol causes damage to most of the organs but particularly the liver and brain, whereas drugs have a catastrophic impact on all the body's functions.

It has been conclusively proven that marijuana causes schizophrenia, particularly in young males and this condition can be directly associated with a catalogue of violent crimes.

The anti-drug message cannot be made too often.

If people didn't take drugs there would be no drug barons nor dealers and crime rates, particularly violent crime would drop dramatically.

Significantly more time and resources need to be spent in educating children at an early age about the horrors of drug taking.

Side: True
excon(14644) Disputed
1 point

if people didn’t take drugs the world would be wonderful

Hello A,

IF???? Dude! You are just not connected to reality.

excon

Side: False
NicolasCage(506) Disputed
1 point

People will be tempted to escape their daily problems through drugs rather solving them; the same could be argued about alcohol, but at least with alcohol there is a physical consequence (hangover) so people try not to abuse

Like you said, people already do that in massive amounts with alcohol.

I don't know if you've ever tried drugs/researched the after effects, but there certainly is a physical consequence comparable to a hangover with many of them (known as a "come down").

Though, it's true with marijuana that there's not really a come down from it. That said, there's not really any negative long-term effects either if you're smoking it casually. If you smoke it every day, then yes, obviously you're going to mess up your body, but that's the same for alcohol and cigarettes, both of which are legal.

The solution isn't to just ban it completely (and unfairly incarcerate those who are using it), the solution is education. People are aware of the risks of alcohol because it's made vocal. If weed is legalised, the government can run the same campaigns they use for alcohol and inform the population on the risks of regular use.

I wonder what kind of benefit will drugs bring to people

The same benefit alcohol brings to people: fun and relaxation. Not to mention, it's great for the economy.

Legalisation and regulation will mean more small business, and it'll also mean the drug itself is safer for people because what goes into it can be monitored and cleaned.

Side: False
cruzaders(341) Disputed
1 point

To be totally honest with you I have never taken drugs, but nonetheless here are my thoughts:

- I aggree that people massively use alcohol, but isnt an excuse to allow drugs. Its really hard to refrain people from drinking alcohol because it was accepted in society for thousands or years, while the wide use of drugs is quite recent = with proper education and policies we can win the war on drugs

- About the benefits: again why allow weed when there already is alcohol, isnt it too much of a "good" thing?

- Great for the economy: interesting, the government could tax it to oblivion wich could act as a deterrent; another problem I see is that the countries producing majijuana are poor, yes their economy would thrive for a bit, but as we could see it in columbia most of money goes to local drug lords and the workers get addicted to it

About making it safer for people, sure it will; but the way I see it is that drugs being dangerous healthwise acts only as another deterrent, you break the law= you face the consequences

Side: True
2 points

Hello g,

Drugs aren’t good. Putting people in jail for using them is worse.

excon

Side: False
1 point

marijuana studies are fake

Hello again, g:

It’s true what you say. Marijuana studies ARE fake. That’s because it’s a schedule one drug and can’t be obtained by any reputable university or pharmaceutical company FOR study. Oh, they can put themselves on a list to get some AUTHORIZED pot from the DEA’s pot garden at the University of Mississippi. But it’s shit pot and studying it won’t teach you anything.

In the world of marijuana there’s only one list that counts, and that’s the list of people who died from smoking it. That list is empty, of course.

excon

Side: False
xMathFanx(1742) Clarified
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@excon

In the world of marijuana there’s only one list that counts, and that’s the list of people who died from smoking it. That list is empty, of course.

excon

Marijuana (and alcohol) have horrible, detrimental effects on the developing Human brain (before the ages 21-25) that ultimately derail proper development entirely (if abused to sufficient extent). Do you not find this highly alarming? Doesn't the Adult population have a serious responsibility to properly inform the young of this in order to encourage a healthy transition into adulthood?

Side: True
excon(14644) Clarified
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Hello x,

I think you missed it. I said drugs aren’t good. They’re certainly not for children. But I have no problem with consenting adults imbibing in a harmless herb.

In another post I mentioned that marijuana can’t be studied in this great nation of ours simply because the federal government has classified it as a schedule one drug. Therefore your fear mongering is simply drugwarmongering.

excon

Side: True
2 points

Do you not find this highly alarming?

I find it highly alarming that you do not understand what you are talking about. No study has ever proven "horrible, detrimental effects" on patients without an existing predisposition to mental health disorder. There is evidence to suggest that marijuana can act as a catalyst to the emergence of predisposed mental health conditions, but here you are exaggerating that evidence to the extent that you are presenting marijuana as a direct cause of those conditions.

Side: True
Antrim(1297) Clarified
1 point

Best to let the junkies and or sots live in their delusional dimension where everything is haloed in a misty glow of happy 'UNREALITY'.

Over the years I've watched so many friends, good friends, develop what I call, an alcoholic personality. That is someone who cannot hold a conversation, never mind relax and have a good laugh without being intoxicated, ( intoxicated as in the intake of toxins or poisons) or maybe high on some hallucinatory drug.

In the gym and the world of sports there are the low life CHEATS who take performance enhancing steroidal drugs and try to rationalize their deceit by convincing themselves that other competitors also indulge in dishonest chicanery.

There is no point trying to show those hooked on drugs that they're weak minded morons as deep down they're well aware of their mental condition.

I guess all that can be done is to point out that they're on the path to ruination.

If they still wish to jump on their trusty steed and gallop like blue blazes down the road to hell towards an early grave and diminish their quality of life while they're still here, then so be it.

Bon Voyage fools.

Happy hangovers and withdrawal symptoms.

Side: True

marijuana studies are fake

Which studies are you speaking of? All of them? So every study which has been conducted which results in positive data about marijuana is part of a global conspiracy to legalise it?

Don't you think that if that were the case, it would already be legal? I don't think someone with that much money and power would have any trouble getting something legalised.

Marijuana is perfectly safe. I, and the majority of my friends, smoke it, and in moderation it's completely fine. But that's the same for alcohol; drink it casually and in moderation and you'll be fine. Abuse it, and you'll damage your health. It's a double standard to allow one thing but not another when they're that comparable.

The war on drugs has been a total disaster, and has made absolutely no progress. I'd argue that drugs are even more common now despite it (well, here in the UK that's definitely true, not so sure about the US).

Whether you believe the studies or not, we can't deny that drug laws need urgent reforms, and legalisation and regulation of marijuana should be where it starts.

Side: False
ghostheadX(1104) Clarified
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How do you know its safe in moderation? There are no conclusive studies and nearly anything else that gets you high will kill and addict you.

Wormwood and alcohol are exceptions.

Side: True
NicolasCage(506) Clarified
1 point

nearly anything else that gets you high will kill and addict you.

Wormwood and alcohol are exceptions.

Alcohol can't kill and addict you?

Side: True
1 point

Are the studies fake?

Probably.

Should a seed bearing plant be legal? Absolutely.

GUNS AND DOPE PARTY USA

DON'T MESS WITH THE GUNS, DON'T MESS WITH THE DOPE

Equal rights for ostriches

Side: False
1 point

Pot will soon be legal coast to coast. The vast majority of Americans want it that way and there's no going back.

That's the reality, I suggest you get used to it.

Side: False

I am reusing this post from another cite.

There is a historic presented set by Presidential declaration to Drug War set by consequence. The United States Constitutional separation describes openly any unconstitutional law targeting an object as illegal can be ignored in gender welfare, as it is the use which can be still proven as illegal in impartial judicial separation.

Explaining a Constitutional Right against a Constitutional wrong in a clear separation.

The best argument for why marijuana should not be legal is based on United States Constitutional law, and not the State enforcing of one governing use. Marijuana cannot become legal due to the legal precedent already set in pace. Constitutional order dictates it is legal, and must be proven as a crime before it is to be enforced as illegal. This process means a universal way to dictate a wrong must takes place to dictate by law a written right. Admission to a type use simply express clearly a legal wrong in need of basic separation. This one event isn’t the demonstration to a lack of representation of any freedom of religion by Constitutional loss of self-value. As there is always a risk to criminal wrong which can be attributed to all separation of knowledge a consumer should argue judicial separation as a liberty in pursuit of happiness.

Simply said a law cannot impose a restriction on a higher protection designed in event of natural use. A rock is not made legal by reason a person harms another by throwing it at people. The Constitutional target of law is the harm and its extent a rock leveeing a hand, or trap can create.

A freedom of religion in this matter can be described as a use in regard to personal liberty replacing loss of punishment overseeing self-value. An Independent state can be described were safety is required as all who may at some point, by ingestion, or appreciation of limited quality, consume, use, or appreciate an organic plant which can be used as rope, flower, tobacco, or tea. There are reasons to uphold many forms of legal governing to insure the public general welfare.

It is illegal to use marijuana as a weapon, and yet it may be proven that the restriction of a governing an impartial separation is the greater crime.

Side: False
John_C_1812(279) Clarified
1 point

If plain words can be found outside the following writing used to describe a basic principle. A state is better to address marijuana governing by focus of legal principle. It is illegal to use marijuana as a weapon to intentional inflict harm, or discomfort. As the point of debate may be continued to alcohol, tobacco, and medications as they may all befit from constitutional forms of legislation as well.

Side: True

That's a really interesting argument that I've not heard before. I suppose a case could be made that criminalising marijuana is unconstitutional! :D

Side: False