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 I still want to know from you atheists... (63)

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I still want to know from you atheists...

What experiments you have done that you observed something coming from nothing, information coming from a blank slate, life coming from non-life, humanity coming from non-humanity, mind coming from mindlessness?  Until you can, shut up, with your anti-science, mystical claims.
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I am an atheist. I do not believe in god. But, I believe that if there is a god, that he is accepting of all of his children’s beliefs and ideas, even if they don’t believe in him. As of right now, science hasn’t failed to surprise us with new laws, animals, and reactions. I believe that both god and sience can coexist.

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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You believe that god and science can coexist? Well then, don't you have to provide a scientific definition of whatever it is you are referring to as "god". What is it? Is it the final frontier of your self-enlightening mind? How do you know that when the veil of your flesh is lifted, the thing you call "god" was not actually the fire of Hell in disguise?

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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Keep on believing that your righteousness is equal to God, and death exonerates you to be free of punishment for your sins, and you will wake up in Hell with your foolish atheism.

lionard1122(74) Disputed
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this is exactly why I think Christianity is toxic... it constantly encourages control through fear, as you have clearly demonstrated with your comment

so thanks :)

Viceregent(413) Disputed
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And how can God come out of nothing then? How did God even originate? If you can't answer this, then your question is invalid.

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Exactly! The godists don't know that, far from answering any questions about the origins if the universe and the scientifically proved big bang, the notion of a supernatural and very unproven god actually only adds more questions to the entire subject. Like who created their god? Why is he eternally unseen? Why does he now have zero control over somsthing he allegedly created? Why are the most god fearing folks the least educated? Why are the most religious States the poorest? As well as the most religious countries? Why are the most atheist states the most prosperous?

LOL..see? Their world is all ass backwards if there is a God! So why worship such an impotent And absentee and capricious deity?

Its all quite silly, mates.

Excuse me, I gotta go laugh my ass off.

Cheers

http://www.allgov.com/news/controversies/are-poorest-states-also-most-religious?news=840104

Viceregent(413) Disputed
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Scientifically proved big bang? ROFL. Tell us, sheep, how the big bang is proved scientifically?

Viceregent(413) Disputed
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Moron, no red herrings. They are irrational. Answer the OP or shut up.

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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If you are implying that God had to come from something, or from nothing, the thing you are calling God is not God who created all things. God who created all things was there before anything was created. I really think atheists understand that God is there forever before anything was there, or there is no God. Atheists know that they cannot make a valid argument against God, so they redefine God as a thing which they can argue is not God and they argue successfully that their consciously created straw man is not God and of course it is not God because it is not God who created all things. And then the atheists pretend to be too stupid to understand the simplicity of recognizing God is the creator of all things.

All you are doing is trying to confuse yourself and fool other people into thinking you are cool doing it....just proving you are the fool and anybody who thinks you are smart in your foolishness is a fool like you.

Rick_Zeta5A(357) Disputed Banned
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All right then genius, if god created everything, why did he make galaxies so far apart and expanding at light speed. Why did he make trillions of galaxies, yet no way to communicate with those galaxies. Could it be your god is an idiot, and just crapped this universe out all half-assed, and is sitting around waiting for the universe to die while he works on his new pet project, getting a girlfriend.

Polaris95(247) Disputed
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So did God create himself? Or did something else create him?

TzarPepe(792) Clarified
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The Supreme and Ultimate Reality is God.

If you accept this, your question can answer itself.

Surely this God by necessity must be eternal, always existing.

Polaris95(247) Disputed
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Please explain what you mean by "The Supreme and Ultimate Reality".

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Well, there is abiogenesis to account for "life from non-life". Also, you're calling to atheists as if you aren't one. You are very well an atheist to the 4000 religions you DON'T believe in, but choose to believe in the one you hold now for no reason other than you were brought up with the religion from childhood. Every major religion clashes with scientific fact, and throughout history there has been a shift from "we should take the bible LITERALLY, IT IS THE WORD OF GOD!" to "God SAYS this, but MEANT this". Rather pretentious to believe you can interpret the words of an almighty deity, in my opinion. That said, just because we can't explain everything yet, doesn't mean we should shove God into the cracks of mystery and call it a day. That's anti-science, and it's just plain ignorant.

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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There is abiogenesis? Where is it ?

TzarPepe(792) Disputed
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Saying that The Supreme and Ultimate Reality doesn't exist not only is unscientific, but it undermines the very validity of science to begin with.

Viceregent(413) Disputed
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Moron, take your ADD meds and focus. I am NOT interested in your worthless opinions. I am interested in science. Tell me the scientific experiments you have done or shut up.

Logically(192) Disputed
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I've done no scientific experiments over the origin of life. Are you saying to have any sort of opinion at all or to be informed over a subject, you must be an expert in the field? That's a pretty arrogant claim and an ignorant mistake on your opinion because you are probably not an expert in any field, and therefore forfeit your right to any stance on any subject; IF we follow your own supposed logic.

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You dont have a laboratory and millions of dollars in research money so that means that all of science throughout the years is negated, and some fruit salad on the internet must be correct instead. Oh if I could have figured this out before, oh the Shame, if only his ‘butt munch’ claims weren’t so horribly damaging to all the scientists on the planet, I denounce my position and accept that guys imaginary friend.

Viceregent(413) Disputed
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Prove it is science, skid mark. You know, the point of the OP. Can you morons not post without fallacious logic? So far, the answer is no.

Viceregent(413) Disputed
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In other words, you have nothing but websites to offer. How do you rationally know these websites contain truth, other than you bias confirmation?

Grenache(6103) Clarified
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Fair point. My answer to that is I trust those websites more than a trust a [email protected] on CreateDebate.

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Hahhahahaha.............I like your style, but I have to ask you this: If you die today, are you sure that your sins are forgiven and you are going to Heaven?

American_boy(678) Disputed Banned
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I don’t know that sir. But, what is the god that you blevieve in? The one I speak of is either a higher being of power created by sience. Or he has created sience.

Viceregent(413) Disputed
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This deluded fool thinks science can create things. ROFL.

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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You don't want to know, do you?

I do not believe in a god, a god is an idol which is not God who created all things. How could your god create science? Again, what is your god? A being of higher power? You mean a bird or a plane, or a cloud which has a mind?

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Would you like to state your opinion to me sir? I would like to hear it.

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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You got banned.......good thing for you that the debate creator is not God who at any moment could banish you out of the presence of the living. If He had banned you like you got banned from this debate, you would be frying in Hell like an eternal sausage now; but you don't know that yet, do you?

Arsenal(219) Clarified
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I'm sorry, mate, but that post reads like something a schizophrenic with a religious persecution complex would say. It sounds ad if it came verbatim from a psychiatric journal in a patient interview.

But you don't know that yet do you?

LOL

And do you know the most comon form of schizophrenic delusion is about god and religion? Sby do you think that is? Sby is it not about atheism?

Cheers.

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Since not one athiest has ever made the claim that something came from nothing, your question is answered. Since it is you who are claiming that something came from nothing, ie: whoever or whatever it was that created your god, then it’s on you to explain how something can come from nothing.

As every scientist ever has purported, life began as a molecular scripting machine. Some of the first life is readily apparent if you know about the Grand Canyon, the reddish colour came from early cellular life, that changed all the iron in the ocean mixing with carbon monoxide, into iron calcite, as they went through thier life cycle. Life on earth had to be very simple for a very long time to evolve, which it did, slowly removing and refining the constituents of earth , which are still visible today.

Viceregent(413) Disputed
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Skid mark, either something came from nothing, violating the first law of thermo, or something has existed eternally, violating the 2nd law of thermo. There is no middle ground. Which anti-science position do you hold to?

But I do love the delusion of this ignorant fool pretending to speak for every scientist on earth over time. ROFL.

Rick_Zeta5A(357) Disputed Banned
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If you can show that you understand the Mandelbrot set and where the math for these fractal images came from, then I’ll continue to debate.

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first of all, just because we don't currently have an explanation for something doesn't mean that God did it, that's called the god of the gaps fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godofthe_gaps

but just for the sake of it, i am gonna address your examples

1. in theoretical physics the answer would be: yes...? kinda ( you have to remember that what a physicist considers nothing and what you consider nothing is very different, so it's hard to answer that question if you aren't an expert)

2. define information and define a blank state

3. yes, weve managed to do that in a lab

4. yes, evolution, which is a proven theory, clearly shows that we evolved from apes

5. if by mind you mean a brain: yes, also because of evolution... if not, then define a mind

Logically(192) Clarified
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"clearly shows that we evolved from apes"

Please don't use this ignorant summarization of evolution, it is blatant misinformation and will only lead to confusion. Evolution doesn't say we evolved "from apes", it shows that humans and apes evolved from a common ancestor that was NOT A HUMAN NOR AN APE; but simply the crossroad in which the two, as well as many more, species descended.

Viceregent(413) Disputed
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How does "evolution show this", ignorant child? I cannot wait to hear this.

Viceregent(413) Disputed
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Butt munch, I did not ask you for your worthless opinons, especially as to logic, especially having nothing to offer but a Wikipedia site. ROFL

Answer the OP or be ignored.

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What you are referring to is called abiogenesis. It is a common biology term. You need to do some research on it. Also...time itself was created with the big bang. So before that there wax no time. Hence...no period in which there wX nothing. Its must your human mind cannot grasp the idea of time not existing.

Cosmo!ovists have nailed step be step exactly what happened from 10/43 hundredths of a second after the big bang.

That number looks like this on a stop watch....0.0000000000000000000000043.

Just because we have not yet extended our equation to ore big bang is no reason to spew oyr your tired and lame god of the gaps drivel. You guys are hilarious! You neglect the fact science has incredibly improved your lives and had discovered millions of facts, and proved them time and again. Then you find one area where we hsvenr yet discovered some component, and hoy hold up a Bronze Age book if Hebrew Mythology and exclaim, Aha! You can't prove it because god did it!

Do you have any earthly idea how lame that is? If people like that ran the world then We would be living in the Stone age.

And why don't you apply any of your science critique to your bible? LOL. The book is filled with absurdities science and physics prove to be impossible. But you ignore that and attack PhD level science.

Hypocrite much?

LOL

Cheers.

Viceregent(413) Disputed
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Loser, I did not ask you for definition of terms or what some loser told you. I asked you for science. Put up or I will shut you up. My gosh, you fools are dumb as a box of rocks.

Rick_Zeta5A(357) Disputed Banned
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Fuck, you are a sped. You are definitively what’s wrong with western society. There are people that could have real debates on particular specific points in evolution or non-theistic beliefs, but instead spedwards like you won’t even come to real debates because they are not worded in such a way that would allow you call everyone a skid mark or shit stain every time they make a well reasoned, intelligent or genuine point. It occurs to me that you never research anything anybody tells you, and I suspect you would not be able to understand it if you tried. Your constant misconceptions of the English language and scientific concepts belies your inability to understand the words themselves. You are by definition, a fuckn idiot. Now go report this to your mommy.

TzarPepe(792) Disputed
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The Supreme and Ultimate Reality is God, and if you accept this, your entire argument against God is nonsensical posturing.

Abandon these superstitious ideas about God, and embrace THE TRUTH.

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What experiments you have done that you observed something coming from nothing

This shows you don't understand what scientists say. We don't assert that something came from nothing. That's just you being unable to interpret what scientists actually say. "Nothing" is a physical impossibility. Existence and nothingness are diametrically opposed and mutually exclusive concepts. "Nothing" is a misnomer in material science.

Infinite density is not "nothing". Zero entropy is not "nothing". Singularity is not "nothing".

information coming from a blank slate

This is also misinterpreted, I suspect deliberately. See above.

life coming from non-life

This is obviously the case. Chemicals exist. The complex chemicals necessary for life could not have survived on this planet while Earth was hot and newly formed. A human could not live on a planet which was covered in poisonous gasses and which had an atmospheric temperature several hundred degrees hotter than today. Thus, the complex chemicals necessary for life must haveformed at some stage during the gradual cooling of the Earth. Life did not always exist on this planet. It came to be. We also know, by simply looking through a microscope, that everything is made up of chemicals. 99% of our body mass is made of six common elements that combine in certain ways to create the myriad of compounds in the human body.

If Earth did not at one point support life, yet life exists, then life quite obviously came from non-life. It's simple chronology.

humanity coming from non-humanity

See above.

mind coming from mindlessness

New consciousness of varying degrees is spawned in every specimen of fauna that's born into the world. "Mind coming from mindlessness" is an everyday occurrence.

Until you can, shut up, with your anti-science, mystical claims

We can, and we have.

Viceregent(413) Disputed
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Hey, moron, as a scientist, I know what scientists say better than you do. And yes, nothing is simply the absence of energy and matter, which you morons must insist the universe arose from, despite this violating the 1st Law of Thermo. Or you can say it has always existed, which violates the second law of thermo. Either way, your silly worldview is anti-science. Your rebellion against English only confirms you hate science.

No doubt as your mental illness demands you insist everyone who exposes you as a fool is stupider than you, but tell us where the information that founds all of reality comes from? Don't run. Answer, Mr. Pretend Scientist.

Moron, I did not ask you to beg the question with your insistent on what must be true is your foolish worldview were true, I asked you to prove scientifically life came from non-life. I ask for science and these morons give me mysticism, bad logic and absurd philosophy.

I did see above and there was no science. Put up or shut up, you ignorant, propagandized buffoon.

And yet you cannot show us one example.

What is most said is that tool really does think his vomiting his propaganda is science. ROFL.

seanB(959) Disputed
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Really? But it just so happens that the shit you peddle shows up in precisely zero peer reviewed journals and the shit I peddle is in any of relevance?

Right.

Fuck off you brainless twit.

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Gi'me that OLD TIME RELGION and HAND ME A SNAKE!

Yippy Aye!

"And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up serpents with their hands; and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

Grab a snake and drink poison for Jesus!
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It says to not test God. They did. You left that part out eh Rusty?