I think, therefore i am.
Do you agree with this, if so; do you only think this rationalizes your existence but not all existence?
I know that I have a consciousness, but I am not sure what Descartes refers to when he uses the term 'I'. If 'I' refers to a sense of 'mineness' then I agree, but if Descartes thinks 'I' refers to my sensations, thoughts and inclinations then I don't. I know that I have a consciousness and I know that this consciousness has a sense of mineness. I can observe thoughts, I can observe feelings, I can observe the world, and no matter what I will observe, I know that my observation is mine. There's an essential part missing in the cogito. Maybe Descartes means to say that: I observe my thoughts, therefore I am But I think it's a bad inference to claim that since there's observation of thought, those thoughts 'are me'. I am not my thoughts, I am not my sensations, I am not my inclinations. Those latter things are just transitioning phenomenon passing through my organism like an apple does. Eaten, processed and passed on. These phenomenons depend not just on how I process them, but their initial arrival is caused by sheer random circumstance. My hating and loving of persons are not an intrinstic quality of me, they are an intrinstic quality of the dynamical system I have participated in with people that I now happen to hate and love. These things are not reducible to me, and therefore they can't be me. Similarly, thoughts aren't reducible to me in any realistic sense. Thoughts, sensations and inclinations are nothing but transitioning phenomenons passing through my organism like an apple does. Eaten, processed and passed on. To say that these phenomenons are nothing but my processing would be wrong. The impulses that cause me to feel exists regardless of how I feel about them, and in turn how I react and process these impulses depend on my experiences in the world. That is, how I feel is not reducible to me. The only thing reducible to me is my consciousness, and my sense that this consciousness belongs to me. I agree that thoughts, feelings and the rest of it contribute to my narrative sense of self, but to equate my narration with the my existence is like saying that the map is the territory. So in the end my relation to the world isn't me, my thoughts aren't me. So it might perfectly well be that the "I think" aspect of the cogito is not only unnecessary, but actually misleading. Descartes missed the most fundamental aspect of what constitutes his first-person experience. Descartes would be correct if he said that "I observe that when I observe thoughts, that my observation has a sense of mineness, therefore I exists'. But the entire passage involving 'thoughts' is completely unnecessary. Therefore, the cogito can be reduced the following form: I observe that my observation belongs to me, therefore I exist. Not many people impress me. You are an outlier to that fact... You think similar to me, your thought process is a process that is solitude thinking that hasn't been effected by interpretation or education. Honestly that is the next step of what i would ideally think is realistic. That being your statement. Thoughts are highly impacted by emotions and you, yourself is not a reaction. The way i understand your statement is by my thought; " My eyes process the rapid present of an experience." Hypothetically speaking, let's say once i entered into this "existence," and that existence has a true meaning. Yet, if meaning was true it would be absolute. So, let's say the unacknowledged meaning of my life was to end humanity. The experiences that was dealt throughout my "existence," would make me emotionally react no matter what. Due to the fact meaning is a complexity we will always ponder. I without knowing rationalize from experiences, that rationalization doesn't clarify who you truly are and your aptitudes. So i agree, " self thoughts exist," but it doesn't define your true self's meaning or why the thoughts we have are evidence. Hell's yeah, man. You made Descartes your self-analyzing bitch. But, in less flamboyant terms; good show, old bean (I can't remember where you live, but am pretty sure it wasn't England, so ignore that turn-of-phrase) you receive one of my rare up-votes. # Iamfairlysmartbuthavebeendrinkingsokind Old beans? Really, do you seriously say that? Also: Iamfairlysmartbuthavebeendrinkingsokind Deciphering like a baws That's the point, Our existence is the only one we can agree with. The simple fact that we can ask whether we exist or don't is the proof that we do. If it wasn't reality we wouldn't even try to dispute it. Also on the inanimate object statement, wouldn't you think that once we're dead we're no longer existent? yet our inanimate body is left behind. 1
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In all honesty, your idealism reminds me of mine. The fact that we can't rationalize, or identify what nothing is. Literally "nothing," can't be acknowledged. I sometimes think that the knowledge of existence is misunderstood. The only understanding of this world is the one we have perceived. Let's hypothetically state that everything is existent. Each and everyone one of us have experienced many different things. The way we react is what forms us as a human being. Existence is rational, but meaning of that existence is unknown. Each and everyone of us have created an idealism from reaction of what we humans do to one another. If we were to be non existent, "nothing." We wouldn't have the aptitude to interpret one another's thought process. If nothing could think why didn't we create a plan. Our "life," before existence in what we have come to understand and "know," must be existent. We have no acknowledgement of our nonexistence. So... the acknowledgement of disputing and agreeing must be evidence of existing right? 1
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