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If America turned back to Jesus, would things get better?
With all the natural disasters and terrorism going on here in the USA, I was wondering if we humbled ourselves before Jesus Christ and stopped turning our back on Him, if things would actually get better for us here in the USA..... Im curious to see what people say..... GBU all.
You never came to Him. You turned away from Him and went against Him a long time ago, and I doubt you will be returning to Him ever except when He calls you up out of Hell to appear before Him in the final judgement before you are forever castaway into the lake of fire which is the second death. Laugh loud while you can if you want to keep on going your own way into death.
How can you leave Jesus if you've already left? Natural disasters are a reason to turn back to Jesus because God will always strengthen you in hard times. If he bring you to it, then he will bring you through it.
I've always thought America was f*cked up, I don't even know why. I mean the KKK, ISIS, slavery... Forgive me if I'm wrong. But if I wasn't mistaken, I would've thought that the USA stands for Under Satans Authority...
I am talking about the people who were with God, then got struck by a natural disaster.
Natural disasters are a reason to turn back to Jesus because God will always strengthen you in hard times.
Why didn't God not destroy the person's house? God can do way more to strengthen a person by making sure they don't get hurt by a natural disaster. God is supposed to be the master over nature.
If he bring you to it, then he will bring you through it.
If He brings you to it, He wasn't a great being. That's like saying you can get through an abusive father by staying with him.
I've always thought America was fcked up, I don't even know why. I mean the KKK, ISIS, Martin Luther King... Forgive me if I'm wrong. But if I wasn't mistaken, I would've thought that the USA stands for Under Satans Authority...*
This is too dumb to even refute. It is just completely ridiculous.
I am talking about the people who were with God, then got struck by a natural disaster.
Well thank God that they knew him, they are in a better place now. And also your point is invalid because even if they were with God and died they still haven't left. It's people like you that have left. And then when someone you know dies, (God forbid), you'll somehow find a way to blame Him for their loss. And yet it was you who doubted him and didnt want to know Him in the first place.
Why didn't God not destroy the persons house?
Hmmm. Out of all things a man should know, is that death is inevitable. You blame God for everyone who dies, and yet you must know that everyone is bound to die someday. That isn't God's fault. If everyone was like you then when a natural disater occurred not even the injured could be saved because we would all be cursing to God that it happened in the first place. Hurricanes are gonna happen, floods are gonna happen, people are going to DIE!
That's like saying you can get through an abusive father by staying with him...
Nope because when you trust in the Lord you can get through anything and it all happens according to the way God wants it to happen. The father might die and the girl is free. The father might get arrested... Who knows. But when you deny the Lord, he won't help you because you don't believe that he can and that he will.
Well thank God that they knew him, they are in a better place now. And also your point is invalid because even if they were with God and died they still haven't left.
It is very sick that you can't imagine something without people dying.
And then when someone you know dies, (God forbid), you'll somehow find a way to blame Him for their loss.
You aren't the brightest bulb in the batch are you? Atheists don't blame God. They realize that life happens the same way with or without God. I don't blame God for anything.
Out of all things a man should know, is that death is inevitable.
Any way that the person can go through life without having their house destroyed. You live knowing that someday you will die. Why isn't that enough for God?
You blame God for everyone who dies, and yet you must know that everyone is bound to die someday.
I blame God for the things you say God is in charge of in arguments against people like you.
That isn't God's fault.
Well, that's another debate in itself.
If everyone was like you then when a natural disater occurred not even the injured could be saved because we would all be cursing to God that it happened in the first place.
You have it backwards. People waste their time praying to God after a disaster. People like me would be able to save everyone because I am not expecting God to step in and do anything. You really aren't getting this Atheism concept are you?
Hurricanes are gonna happen, floods are gonna happen
Yes, if there is no God, but that doesn't have to be the case if there was an all powerful being looking out for His believers.
Nope because when you trust in the Lord you can get through anything and it all happens according to the way God wants it to happen.
And, if you are with your abusive father everything happens according to the way he wants it to happen. You are describing an abusive father.
The father might die and the girl is free.
So, the abusive father is better.
But when you deny the Lord, he won't help you because you don't believe that he can and that he will.
But, I am talking about when you believe in the Lord, and the same thing happens.
No. You are confused. Those letters mean: Under Savior Authoritarianism. Also, it's not America that's Fked up, it's Americans, ...... conservatively speaking
I know what they mean lol; and you are right it is Americans that make America so messed up. I am trying to say that due to the fact that some Americans are so evil and destroying your land: it's as if God doesn't even live their anymore; but the devil. That is why I changed the real meaning to under satans authority.
Natural disasters aren't a reason to look at religion at all. You should go to plate tectonics and wind behavior. These are the known and proven causes for earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes/typhoons, volcanic eruptions, etc. There is no need to go all supernatural over this.
Additionally, if this "god" created the universe where multitudes of galaxies exist and trillions of stars dot the cosmos and where at least ten other planets are found to exist in the Golden Zone in the current small, known universe; why would some omnipresent being stay on Earth to screw around with the human race?
Natural disasters aren't a reason to look at religion at all.
The debate description made it clear that natural disasters is a reason to go to religion. It isn't a concept I introduced.
why would some omnipresent being stay on Earth to screw around with the human race?
Because if He doesn't stick around He isn't omnipresent. Remember, since He is omnipresent there is no effort to be around us and to be everywhere else in the universe at the same time.
Natural disasters aren't a reason to look at religion at all. You should go to plate tectonics and wind behavior. These are the known and proven causes for earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes/typhoons, volcanic eruptions, etc. There is no need to go all supernatural over this.
Additionally, if this "god" created the universe where multitudes of galaxies exist and trillions of stars dot the cosmos and where at least ten other planets are found to exist in the Golden Zone in the current small, known universe; why would some omnipresent being stay on Earth to screw around with the human race?
Cartman...... Jesus is our refuge in times of trouble..... He even says in His Word..... Matthew 11:28-30 New International Version (NIV)
28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
Jesus lifts our burdens and is with us all the time, and if you havent noticed, people are more willing to hear about Jesus after a disaster. People are so prideful when things are going well in life, but as soon as things go downhill they are crying out to God to save them, but that is the only time they turn to Him. But we should be praying to Him and growing in Him everyday, not just in times of trouble.
Praying to Him doesn't prevent times of trouble. So, things wouldn't get better.
I agree. But here is a reason to pray to a God (or if you are a Hindu like me to nature):
We can't control what happens in this world. I don't think there is a God that can either. It is nature itself that controls the happenings of the world. Praying in Hinduism means expressing your thanks to nature, or even just taking a second to think about how insignificant you and your problems are on the cosmic scale. You can pray by meditation, singing, chanting, or even introspectively self-reflecting.
We need to pray when we are happy AND in times of trouble so we can remember that there are things that no one can control, and we shouldn't let these things stop us from what we want to achieve.
Whenever something CAN go wrong it will, and at the worst possible moment. So if the world is a conflict waiting to happen, why wait for it/dread it? Let's just do what we think is right and live fearlessly. But we need a sense of urgency, because things are impermanent and we need to solve problems before new ones arrive.
We need to pray when we are happy AND in times of trouble so we can remember that there are things that no one can control, and we shouldn't let these things stop us from what we want to achieve.
That is the problem I see in other people's religions. God/nature isn't egoistic. It doesn't care what you do. It doesn't care period. Prayer is about self realization.
The most powerful "prayer" in Hinduism is Aum (om). It is translated to peace, but it also is the primordial sound. Hey, we know of a primordial sound! The waves from the big bang! And who would have known, saying aum properly vibrates your brain and the deep sound waves calm yourself down!
This is why I take 5 minutes out of my busy schedule every day, to chant aum a few times. I was inspired to do this by the self realization fellowship aum link and I sincerely recommend it to all. It has helped me so much.
And the meanings of some prayers blow my mind; they are so relevant, applicable, and deep. They are more than that "love thy neighbor" rhetoric. I could give you many examples of the not-so-obvious messages they hold. It's so beautiful, absolute poetry.
Except in meditation, you aren't saying anything. you are supposed to have a clear mind. You meditate when you are praying for the aum part, but then you pay attention to the meaning of the words. Often the words are praising aspects of nature and life and it helps you understand them better. For example, the prayer AUM Puurnnam-Adah Puurnnam-Idam Puurnnaat-Purnnam-Udacyate
The literal meaning of this is Aum. This is infinite. That is infinite. If I add This with That, I will still have everything Yet, if this is taken away from that, everything still remains. Aum, peace in the universe, peace on earth, peace in myself.
This prayer was written 4-5 thousand years ago, and it explains the properties of infinity! It was used with some other prayers when describing the universe, and how it is infinite. It shows that everyone and everything is equal, we are all infinite. If we are taken away from the system, nothing gets taken away. If we are added to the system, nothing is added. It all stays the same. This is the deep part about the universe. If the universe is infinite, everything must exist. If it goes away, it has to still exist because nothing can go away because the universe is infinite.
And it is infinitely small, we are all made out of subatomic particles.
BAAM. Mind=blown.
That is prayer. It doesn't calm your mind. It puts you in your place. It teaches you about nature and makes you curious. You are forced to wonder, and seek answers (scientifically) about the universe. The goal of a Hindu life is to attain Moksha, or enlightenment. You do that by either doing your duties to the best of your ability (dharma), realizing your place in the world, or contributing to the world.
But you have to do it selflessly, or it will not make you happy. You need to be detached. And then something happens. IDK what I'm still trying to understand that, but it has to do with knowing everything about the nature of the universe and being really happy and... high I guess!
How can there be "other versions" of "Gods Word?" Naturally, it's because another MAN published it. I'm waiting for HIM to call a Press Conference, then maybe I'll listen!
How many "versions" are there?? What we need is a book signing, BY THE AUTHOR. Then we'll know it's legit.
He did sign His book...He signed it with His own blood. That blood will testify against you as it is the blood given as payment for your sins and you are refusing God's offer of pardon through faith in His blood.
Your blood is going to be on your own head if you will not hear God calling you in His goodness seeking you so that you can know His mercy. You are choosing His judgement, and you will appear before Him with blood on your hands as it is your hands which did the things He died to pay for so you can be forgiven. It's not to late, you can be saved, but I doubt that you will. You love your sin more than life, don't you?
It will be convincing to everybody if they like it or not. To those who refuse to believe, the conviction will by enforced by the fire of Hell. They don't have an excuse for not believing, they are making excuses and making themselves believe their excuses are good enough to keep them out of Hell. It's insanity.
We can't tell if Jesus caused the above you're saying, but I am well aware of something:
For some non-religious reason:
America motto is "In god we trust"
The first men in colonies of America were dissenting Christian Groups
Excerpts from Declaration of Independence:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."
For religious reason:
These disaster were created as a instrument for God to punish and alert the people.But God is loving.
America's motto is "IN GOD WE TRUST", not "in god we trust". It is terribly disrespectful toward God to spell His name with a lower case g, implying he is a thing and not God.
Some disasters are indeed directed personally by God's hand as punishment or warnings, but most are natural consequences in a world disrupted by sin. "For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, because the creature itself shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption....". "Bondage of corruption" refers to the natural consequences of sin which at times shows as cataclysmic natural events of various proportions in various places.
Yes God is loving, and it's His goodness that brings men to repentance. When people realize God is being good to them in giving them time, and they see their need of His forgiveness, and believe on His Son who died in their place and rose from the dead to be the justifier of all who believe on Him, they will know the love of God.
I would also point out that the Christian "god" is NEVER mentioned in the Constitution OR the Bill of Rights. Only a "creator", which can be whatever one considers his/her creator. That could mean your parents, a "god" or even "Mother Nature". The founding fathers specifically left "God" out of them (and only referred to a "Natural God" because they were pushing religious freedom. Believe what you wish, in whatever "god" you wish, just keep it out of the government, and let others believe as they do.
As the "Father of the Constitution" said: "The purpose of the separation of church and state is to keep, forever from these shores, the constant strife that has soaked the sands of Europe in blood for centuries." James Madison
The "In God We Trust" was shoved into our "ideals" by an overabundance of fear (and religious Congressmen) during wartime when THEY thought it would protect us. It was NOT a "Constitutional decree", and it didn't "protect" the thousands who died ACTUALLY "protecting us".
Adolfi had a good point...how can there be other versions of His word? All the versions must have errors and therefore not be the word of God or one version must be God's word.
It's true, but I don't think it is going to happen when people who know Him don't even care enough to spell His name correctly as "God". Most people who know Him today are too busy watching movies and listening to ungodly music, filling their minds with mush so the power of the gospel seems like a fairy tale.
We can't turn back to something that doesn't exist. 'God' or 'Yahweh' as some called it either doesn't exist, or is a huge cockhead for not altering all the back things.
You can't turn back to God because you never came to Him to start with. You turned away from Him a long time ago and are going away from Him as fast as you can.
The Christian creed of 'turn the other cheek' is one very significant reason why Muslims are able to slaughter Christians world wide with impunity. What was described as an act of God is now more often referred to as a natural disaster. When Apollo 13 experienced serious electronic and mechanical failure it was American know how, and not Jesus Christ Super Star, that saved the crew from a lingering death in space. N.A.S.A.'s attitude of ''failure is not an option'' summed up the confidence they had in themselves as scientists. Maybe you would have suggested that the scientists prayed to the big shy man in the sky instead of employing the wizardry of their expertise.
Only God can save from death. You are dying eternally or living eternally. Only God can give life. A temporary extension of life is not being saved from death. If you are not permanently saved, you are not saved at all. If the astronauts were not saved by God, they were still dying even though they managed to come home when their ship had problems in space.
Ignoring your insult against the Savior, the life of the Apollo astronauts was in God's hands as is your life now. When God says it's over, it's over. God gave you the brains to feed your mouth so that your time can be prolonged as He does not want you to burn in Hell. God gave the Apollo astronauts the ability to solve their problem to prolong their time because He does not want them to burn in Hell.
Sooner or later all of your efforts to survive will fail. You can't keep flying around space, dodging the bullet of death forever. You are not "The Force".
First of all, you only said America, but not every other state. But if you meant the whole world, then this is wrong. You can't blame Jesus for every little or big thing that happens. Like terrorist attacks; he didn't set those up, his creation of people did.
-----I added a space here so you can see that if you are going to dispute or support, don't use the Bible as evidence in here as if I am talking about common sense.-----
But there would only be one thing we would stop fighting about: which religion is correct telling the story. This is a common issue for what really happens in Jesus's time and what is said in the story is not correct. Sometimes some people would change parts of it to prove themselves about "what really happened."
A good example of that is the "Birth of Jesus". The whole nativity thingy was "invented" by St. Francis of Assisi, as a way to "explain" the "virgin birth" of Jesus! C'mon .... can't we stick to FACTS? At least scientific theory is based on what "appears to be fact"! Religion "appears to be " based on MYTHS, created by it believers! Most of which seems to have come from Constantine, the guy who put all the myths together (as HE saw them), and wrote/published "Gods Word" for the first time. Gods word has been "revised" many times since!
Constantine claimed to have become a Christian and founded the Roman Catholic church in an effort to consolidate the crumbling Roman Empire. Constantine was not a Christion, and the Roman Catholic Church is not of God's Kingdom. It's nothing but a political organization bent on acquiring and maintaining power.
Persecution of Christians supposedly ended when Constantine established the Church of Rome calling it "Christian", but that church throughout its history has murdered true Christians who would not submit to it's dogma and rules. Nothing really changed, the world always has and always will hate God's people. As they hated Jesus Christ, they will hate me. People who love their sin more than life hate being told it is wrong, and they hate the people who say their sin is wrong.
The "myther" mentality is the biggest cop-out of intelligence going today. Even my ungodly anti-Christian secular college Western Civ book acknowledged the historical veracity of the Biblical person we know as Jesus Christ of Nazareth......and of course that same textbook supported Constantine as being Christian, and the Church of Rome as being Christian.
Your "myther" garbage is for brainless people who are too lazy to investingate history for themselves. The ungodly anti-Christian authors of most college textbooks are at least honest enough to admit that Jesus of the Bible was the real person our calendar is based on, the same Jesus who lived 2000 years ago in and around Jerusalem.
I guess there are millions, but really it's not many....a small percentage of the people on the planet. Jesus said many go into destruction, and few find life and that's the way it is. I know my sins are forgiven and I'm going to heaven, I know I'm saved, and it's pretty easy to tell by the things people say when they are not forgiven and need to be saved. Most people will not believe on Jesus. All can believe and be saved from Hell, and that is what God wants, but most will not believe and will be condemned to Hell where they will pay for their own sins after rejecting God's offer of pardon through the blood He gave on the cross in their place....they won't believe on Jesus in His resurrection, they won't have Him for their life, they won't have anything but dying forever and they will end up in Hell and the lake of fire.
It sounds like you had some Catholic dogma pumped into you. I believe God's word, and His gospel is the Good News which sets men free. Catholicism enslaves people. Jesus said "if ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." He said this to people who believed him. There were people present who did not believe him. Those who didn't believe him would be the ones who say things like "he's a good teacher with some good ideas, but he's a liar and a lunatic because he thinks he is divine, equal with God as the Son of God. We know he's born out of wedlock and his father hid his mother's adultery because he loved her"....stuff like that. You have to shut out those voices and believe those who believed Him, those who believed Him when He said He is the Son of God, one with God the Father, conceived in a virgin by the Spirit of God.
If you are with me so far, maybe I can show you how you can know you will go to heaven when your time here is over.
I know I am going to heaven the moment my time in this body of death is over. I know I am going to see Jesus face to face and I will be forever changed to be exactly like Him, with no sin remaining in me, and never to sin again. You can know this the same as I do, so let's talk about how you can know. Isn't that what you want to know?
God knows we are sinners but He still wants us to be with Him forever. He wants us to know His forgiveness, but we can't know it if we don't admit that we need it. Do you believe you need God's forgiveness? If your answer is yes, that's a start in how you can know you are going to heaven and I will explain more in the next post.
Jesus carefully chose twelve men to record His sayings and the events of His life, knowing one of those men was a devil who would be used of God in the chain of events by which Jesus gave Himself on the cross to pay for the sins of the world.
The men He chose, including Paul who He chose to replace Judas Iscariot, obeyed Him in recording and preaching His message as directed by Him. Of course there were many who resented His assertion of being the only way to know God, the only way to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, the only truth, the only way to life, the only life....as all life comes from God, Jesus claimed to be the originator of life as well as the one who gives life to the dying so they can live forever in heaven.
Many who resented Him twisted His words, invented lies to frame Him as a lunatic, and twisted, neglected, or ignored Him in accounts of history. We have His word, God keeps His word, and it never fails. The blood of martyrs used by God to keep His word after He commanded it to be put in writing was given willfully, and all the forces of evil are unable to change or get rid of God's word.
God made sure to give His word in English before it became the only language anything near universal today, before evil forces of fascism mounted in Word War II in their effort to deny God's promises for the world by wiping out the people of God, Israel. God used America which rose from the Great Awakening spurned by His word being translated into English to stop the forces of evil from wiping out the Jews.
The story of history is God's story, and the point of history is that He became a man to redeem His creation form the corruption of sin. You don't have to believe God's word if you don't want to. You can't stop God from doing exactly as He said He would do in His word.
After everything that America has went through why not go back to Jesus. This great country was founded on the belief systems of Christianity. I believe that with all of the sin going on in this country that god is very disappointed but hasn't turned his back on us. He died to save you, all of you out there he shed his precious blood for you and i hope that one day you grasp what I'm saying. There's a hell to pay or a heaven to gain.
One of our most famous and influential "founding fathers" said: "The government of the United States is NOT, in ANY sense, founded on the Christian religion." "In ANY sense" kind of includes "the belief systems of Christianity."
No, the country was founded on a system of common sense, not religious sense. There is too much conflict in the "belief systems" of the religious. Christians will never follow Allah, Muslims will never follow the Christian God, You can't have anything but conflict in a nation "guided by" a single religion, you can never have anything but conflict while you have any nation guided by other religions, take Iran and Iraq, for instance. Whatever religion is the "system", it will clash with the other "system". THAT is what the founding fathers were trying to circumvent.
As another founding father commented: "The PURPOSE of the separation of church and state is to keep, forever from these shores, the constant strife that has soaked the sands of Europe in blood for centuries." Religious systems have , and still are, keeping that idea from working. Do you "grasp what I am saying."
Of course things would get better but it's not going to happen if Christians do not humble themselves and pray and turn from their wicked ways and seek God's face. God will humble His people if they won't humble themselves.
America is still so overwhelmingly Christian that only an alarmist Christian could seriously suggest the nation has turned away from Jesus. At any rate, there is absolutely nothing to suggest that more faith in Jesus would alter completely independent, scientifically understood, natural phenomenon. Or anything else, really.
A lot of people call themselves Christian only because they think Christianity has the best moral teachings and concepts. If America were "overwhelmingly Christian" we would have little if any problem with alcohol or drugs, no abortion, no laws allowing or condoning homosexual behavior. America has become heathen and pagan and is more and more like the evil nations in the Bible which were destroyed for things like killing their own children and allowing and supporting sodomites.
It is an empirical fact that most people in the United States are Christians. Incidentally, not all of them are the same denomination as you which is why they have different political and social attitudes than you. But they are still Christian, and the nation is decidedly not majority Pagan. Sorry reality is so difficult for you to understand.
It's an empirical fact that you do not have the right to exist outside of Hell and the evidence you say is not there is right under your feet as you have one foot in the grave and the other on thin ice melting over the fire of Hell...just wait and see, be a fool if you want to. There's really nothing more to say to you if you believe you don't need to be saved from dying in your sins.
What you think does not change empirical facts. In reality, which you can't even convince yourself is real by your beliefs or anti-beliefs or voidance of beliefs or whatever you call the way you think, you exist and that is an empirical fact.
Why in the world people claim to have exclusive understanding of the meaning of a common word is empirical evidence that they are silly.
Precisely. You have no facts no matter how much you think you do.
In reality, which you can't even convince yourself is real by your beliefs or anti-beliefs or voidance of beliefs or whatever you call the way you think, you exist and that is an empirical fact.
The way I think is called logic and my philosophy nihilism. You really should know that by now.
It may be an empirical fact that I exist, but we cannot be absolutely certain of that. The same for whatever constitutes reality more generally.
Why in the world people claim to have exclusive understanding of the meaning of a common word is empirical evidence that they are silly.
I merely referenced the common definition of the word. I never claimed exclusive understanding of it.
It is not a problem for me either, as I feel no need to know with certainty that I exist. You are the one who keeps bringing the matter up, so it seems you do have a problem with it.
The way you think is called fantasy, a dark and gloomy fantasy in which you cannot even convince yourself you are real. You are real. You should know that by now.
We most certainly can be absolutely certain that you exist. You don't want to be certain of your existence because you want to un-exist in order to escape your religion of gloom wallowing in the mud of pain and suffering. You do not believe in justice because you do not want justice executed against you for all of the evils you have done. In your religion, you are trying to make yourself go out of existence in order to escape justice. Let me know when you no longer exist, ok?
Ummm, duh,....I'm not really sure I exist, and God is not making it clear to me therefore God must not exist and I probably do not exist. Bye now, I'm leaving existence now. Buh byeeeeee.
:-(
And somehow you think you are displaying intelligence while you do it...playing dumb as if that proves you are smart.
No, really, I am not. I genuinely do not believe that we can know anything with complete certainty. Never claimed that made me intelligent either. Just not a thing I believe. Feeling insecure, though, are you? You keep bringing it up.
"Ummm, duhhhhh, I'm not claiming that anything I say or believe is any indication that I am intelligent. Does it make you feel insecure when you can't convince me that I am intelligent?".....
Duhhhhh, I don't know the anwer to these questions because I'm not sure I am real. How can you be sure I am real? There's no way I can know because I'm not smart enough, or dumb enough, or my mind is a complete blank like my whole life"
My name is Jace, and I enjoy playing dumb because I cannot say I am intelligent. It's really not much fun, but I'm ok with that because I'm a nihilist. It's a nihilistic thing, you wouldn't understand.
I do not build my self-esteem or any other aspect of my identity upon the approval of others. Even if I did, I would not build it upon your approval.
You really do not understand nihilism, as evidenced by your repeated misrepresentation of its basic ideas. You cannot even grasp rudimentary epistemological nihilism let alone the philosophy at large. It is not playing dumb to observe that everything we know is filtered through perception which is an unreliable instrument, and therefore all knowledge is unreliable. You can ridicule the view all you like, but unless you have an actual counterargument the point stands.
Faith in Jesus Christ will completely altar your life, and that's why you don't want it. You love your sin more than life, and you think it's good to die in your sins...you think the pleasure of sin is worth more than life, so enjoy it while you can.
I doubt it too because you love your own ego and the pleasures of sin more than life....therefore I doubt that Jesus Christ will altar your life. I think you will throughout eternity remain the same as you are now, evil against God and you will end up forever unable to know His goodness in death as you have rejected His goodness in life, and Hell will be your abode in your dying forever.
You are trying to fool yourself into believing you get out of it, and doing a pretty good job of it. Enjoy it while you can....although I have never seen any sign that you actually enjoy anything. Maybe you gloat for a moment or two here or there in the pleasures of sin and actually enjoy it, but overall you seem like just one little dark cloud overshadowing all you know as good.
It was not a pun. It was a purposeful word play. If you turn against your sin, it will put you on the altar in front of God. The altar is where you seek God's mercy. I don't think you are anywhere near there yet. Maybe there is not enough time for you.
Your pride is sin, and you are trying to deny it. You are only fooling yourself, and you love it....your life of mental masturbation, stroking your ego trying to make yourself feel better in your gloom of un-reality.
Since you still have not proved sin exists, there is no point in my denying its existence. I merely do not believe in it. You keep mistaking my ambivalence for vehemence. My philosophy is also not gloomy to me, no matter how often you keep asserting that it is.
I keep mistaking your insistence that you cannot be sure you are real as evidence that you are real. Why are you so insistent that you can't know you are real when your insistence proves you are real?
How can anybody prove anything to anybody who cannot prove to himself that he is real? What are you going to do? Blow your brains out to see if you really are real? Don't do it, gloomy. God loves you. Cheer up and believe it. You will see if you will believe. If you say you can't believe, you'll never see that God really loves you and you really are real.
Off the top of my head, two people in my lifetime who were friends did the unthinkable like you must be thinking about doing in your gloomy belief of being unsure you are real. Now I remember a third, though that one was a drug overdose...same things as a bullet, really, just slower......known at least two of those..three.....the memories come back because the people were real and it hurt to see them go out that way. Don't do it man. You are real, and so is Hell. You need to be saved.
My insistence is only in response to your repeatedly bringing the matter up. Your perception of my existence makes it more probable than not, but it does not make it certain because we cannot be certain our perception is reliable.
I am not fatalistic, quite simply because I do not care that I cannot be absolutely certain of my existence. It is more than adequate to be probably certain, and even lacking that I see no reason to test the manner of existence if I am content in the possible delusion of it which I am. Again, I am not gloomy and have no need to cheer up since I already am cheered vis a vis my own philosophy. You are sorely misguided in your belief that I am suicidal. Believe it or not, people can be happy without believing in your God.
There is no evidence that sin exists, let alone that it is shortening my life. The only thing bringing me closer to death is time, and there is no stopping that.
The "damned" thing is you, under the curse of death as a sinner. Everything you know would become new if you turned back to the Savior.
I was a high falutin sinner like you, doing all kinds of evil for the momentary pleasure it gave me. Jesus Christ gave me a new life, made me a new person, and all things are new now because I know I am under His mercy.
If our nation turned back to God, homosexuality would again be outlawed, fornication and adultery would be outlawed, abortion would be outlawed, the crime rate would fall to near zero, drug and alcohol usage would virtually disappear from society, rock and roll would fizzle and die out in America as would rap, jazz, country, and all other ungodly sin-promoting entertainments......
and God would put so much fear in all of our enemies that they would not dare attack us and would rather do business peacefully with us and the whole world would prosper from it.
Of course there will be some people like you who would never be changed no matter what, always being bitter against God and refusing to repent of their sins...but if the nation in general returned to the Lord, in obeying Him they would be blessed by Him and the nation would remain indivisible under God with liberty and justice for all.
I have no idea why you are spewing forth this pablum and frothing at the mouth, do you? You should have it checked, though; you may have rabies, or something similar. I wish you a speedy recovery.
What are you? A high falutin idiot? I logically show that you are a dirty pervert, and all you can do is hurl baseless insults against my intelligence? It seems to me that you are very well aware of how stinking dirty of a pervert you are because you know what you did, do, and think about doing too much of the time and you hate me for telling you the truth about it. That's not my problem. You're just another little dirty minded and foul mouthed punk who thinks he is stronger, smarter, and better than God...epitomizing idiocy begging God to prove He rules over you and against your sin by leaving you in eternal dying in Hell....dying now is not enough to make the point I guess. Have fun in it while you can, if you want to go out that way, pervert.
Ditto what I said above and I'll add: you and your ilk are exactly why our forefathers separated Church and State. You're like ISIS under the Christian banner.
You don't know much about history, do you? I know this is the fault of our public schools which teach an extreme disinformation version of history....but really, you seem smart enough that you can investigate things on your own. It's time for you to stop swallowing everything you are told like a hungry little fish.
Ohhhhh...it's you, the foul mouth pervert....I thought I was talking to somebody else.
How's this........I'm ignoring you, whenever I see it's you posting I know what to expect and it's no good....if you learn any manners, I'll see it but so far you have been consistently vile and dirty, foul mouthed and acting like you are proud of yourself so go on with your bad self as long as you can, punk.
Saint Loony Tunes speaks. When you can make sense, get back with me. Otherwise, go and repent and ask for forgiveness for all the pud pounding you probably do. That's the reason you're going blind.
I'm ignoring you.... I guess you heard that before....but when I see you have responded, I might remind you that I'm ignoring you....I might not. I'll watch for your name and just not read your stuff.
Oh, it's you. You have shown enough of your perversion and hatred that I really don't need to read your stuff. If there is a change of attitude worthy of my time so I try to understand you, I'll see it. Until then, I have learned to not read your posts.
Well, let's see. Has Jesus "smitten" the cruel ISIS?? Did He save those 20 kids in CT? The good people of California? Has He revisited us and thoroughly explained to the terrorist Muslims that they were following the "wrong god"? That even the NON-terrorist Muslims, the Buddhists, the Atheists, etc. that THEY were wrong?
I have little doubt that a MAN named Jesus once existed, that he was a charismatic leader to many, but, I've been here a LONG time. I haven't seen ANY action from HIM that helped anything. A strong belief in him HAS helped some, and that's good. However, If he would simply drop in and straighten out the mess he's left us in, straighten out the religious confusion that has permeated this "creation" (if you must), ( I ) would be happy to follow him. Maybe not his "father", who seemed to be cruel and unusual, but yeah, I'd LOVE to have something REAL to follow, something I could depend on to protect me if I was good. Someone who would really show me "love", I'd likely become a real Christian. As someone said recently, "Prayers are not going to help those who are dead....."
People have "turned to Jesus" for centuries, he hasn't "made things better".
Jesus would make your life better if you believe on Him, He made my life better, satisfying, full of love, joy, peace, hope in God's promises which cannot be denied.
You and others may think I'm being mean or hateful when I'm only telling the truth about sin because I care about sinners the same as God cares and cared for me when I was acting like His enemy, doing my own thing for my own pleasure regardless of right or wrong. When you know God through Jesus Christ, He always makes things better. Our own feelings and unbelief may hinder Him, but He will fix it all and all things turn out for good to those who love God.
God is showing you love, and you can believe His love through Jesus who died for you. He died in your place, paid your price, so you can be forgiven and saved from eternal dying in Hell. We still have to suffer the consequences of sin in our bodies, but we can know God loves us and we are forgiven and will be like Jesus in His resurrection. God loves you. All you have to do is believe it. When we believe God, then He can show us more of His love. When we don't believe God, we can't see it because of our unbelief.
What's real is that Jesus conquered death for us, and we can have secure hope of being in Heaven with Him forever to enjoy all of the blessings God gives His children as joint heirs of heaven with Jesus Christ.
Admit you have sinned against God and believe it's your sins against Him which caused the barrier between you and Him
Believe God Himself came down from Heaven as the Son sent by the Father to break down that barrier by breaking His own body in death to pay for your sins, giving His own life's blood as the payment to cover the debt you owe God for sinning against Him. Believe your sins can be forgiven because after He died in your place, He rose from the dead willing to forgive you and be your life, giving you eternal life when you receive Him as your Savior.
Call on God to save you from your sins....something like this, in your own words is easy if you really mean it wholeheartedly...
"dear God, I know I'm a sinner and am dying separated from you by my sins and need to be reconciled with you so I can have eternal life with you in Heaven. I believe Jesus died for my sins and is risen from the dead to justify me when I hope in your mercy. Thank you for hearing me, and thank you for giving me Jesus as my Savior. I have received Him now by faith, and thank you for your mercy and forgiveness. Thank you for giving me hope of eternal life, thank you that I can trust in your word."
Something like that. If you really mean it, God will hear you and Jesus who is now knocking on your door will enter in to you and you will sup (dine, enjoy company with) Him, and He with you. He is the bread of life...by Him we can live forever. I hope you will believe.
Jesus would make your life better if you believe on Him, He made my life better, satisfying, full of love, joy, peace, hope in God's promises which cannot be denied.
I already have a satisfying life that is full of love and joy. What can Jesus provide me?
You and others may think I'm being mean or hateful when I'm only telling the truth about sin because I care about sinners the same as God cares
I thought God hates sin. How would you not be hateful if you are just like God? It is also probably not a great way to show you aren't hateful by comparing yourself to someone who drowned the entire Earth.
doing my own thing for my own pleasure regardless of right or wrong.
I have seen too many Christians who could be described as exactly that.
God is showing you love
Actually, He isn't. That's your main problem.
When we don't believe God, we can't see it because of our unbelief.
This is a direct contradiction to your claim that God is showing His love.
If you really mean it
I always love that little qualifying remark that must be used for the person who doesn't see God's love even if they believe. Can't have anything concrete.
I'm sorry, I'm not interested in your hatred against God. You are making a mistake trying to have a life void of being able to know His love. That's why I was not talking to you.
I don't have hatred for God. I don't hate something that doesn't exist. I am waiting for Him to show His love. It is crazy to believe a boy who is being beaten by his father just needs to start loving his father and the beatings will stop.
Santa Claus always made my life better when I believed in him, satisfying, full of love, joy, peace, hope and Santa's promises.
I simply want to know why, the children of Stony Brook, who cannot be called "sinners", weren't receiving, or were cared for, with "gods love". Just ONE example of many, but, where was it? Not all of their parents were sinners worthy of such punishment. I'm sure at least SOME of them were followers of Jesus. They could have "called on God" to save their kids .... think "HE" would have listened? I don't see many signs, with that and other tragedies, where "HE" does! HE wouldn't hear those kids beg, "as if they really meant it", to stay with their parents because they didn't even know HOW! "By HIM we can live forever". Somehow, I don't see THEM "living forever", except in the dreams of devout Christians. I'm sure their parents miss being a part of those "lives". I don't mean to denigrate your religion, believe as you want. Just saying why I DON'T.
So you are a liar. You said you wanted one good reason to believe. To know your sins are forgiven and you have eternal life in Heaven is one good reason to believe. I suppose there is no other reason to believe. Sorry.
He proved that He does not want to believe. You are proving the same thing for yourself, and you are also convincing me that you do not want to believe so it won't do you any good for me to try to give you reasons to believe.
If God doesn't want to believe, why should I believe? I don't want to believe God exists under the current condition of Earth because I don't want to believe in a God that is so limited in power that He looks non existent.
Are you admitting that so far you have never actually given a reason to believe?
You are bitter, very bitter. You don't deserve to live any more than a child who may have been innocent, and you are completely unthankful for God allowing you to be where you are. God is being good to you and you are being evil toward God. God loves you, you can be saved from Hell, that is what He wants for you.
Well, I'm 78 years old. It's not like I haven't given "him" time enough to get to me. I suppose Sandy Hook just kind of supports the old adage that "Only the good die young." I suppose I could also think that, since I've lived this long, "The devil made me do it!" At least that would support YOUR theory. I'm NOT bitter about anything, I kind of like it here, maybe the devil can arrange that. Problem is, I don't believe in your "god", so I can't believe in your "devil". One can't exist without the other.
I doubt that all of those children of Stony Brook were young enough to be considered innocent. How old were they? We all deserve to die if we know we are guilty or not. A child or mentally handicapped person who cannot understand guilt and justice will not be held accountable. When babies are killed in their mother's womb, they go straight to heaven. God is populating heaven with the babies being murdered by His enemies. If the children killed in Stony Brook were not in rebellion against God, they are in heaven now and I will have plenty of time to get to know them all after the Lord brings me home with them.
Do you hear the tone of your voice? In your bitterness, you spit venom at God and at everybody in earshot as you gloat over the sufferings of people who fell more quickly than you are falling. What is wrong with you that you use the sufferings of others as proof that God is not being good to you? How do you make that twist of logic? God is being good to you and you hate His guts....you have a problem, and you are being terribly insensitive to the victims of Stony Brook by implying God does not care about their pains.
If individuals touched by that tragedy hate God like you do, then they don't need you to reinforce that hatred. If some are comforted by believing God knows best in it all, why not let them be comforted? What in the world is wrong with you? Why are you so hateful? Why do you gloat over the tragedies that befall others? Are you nothing but a devil?
No. I'm not "spitting venom" at any god' I'm simply saying I don't believe in them and that the "Gods love" I see is not what I would call "love".
Those kids I mentioned, (by the way, I screwed up, it was Sandy Hook, not Stoney Brook, got my places mixed up), They were 1st graders ....obviously a very sinful age, that....
Sorry I come across to YOU as "bitter". I am not. I just have a different idea of "love" than your "god" seems to have. I don't think "God" is not being good to (me)". I've lived a long life, I've had reasonably good health, I've made a fair living, I've worked hard, I've helped a lot of people. I thought a lot about "God", saw NO proof that it existed and went my own way. I hold NO animosity against your God, none against Allah either. I simply see them as yours and whoever's. The worship of them (it) is of an imagined entity (IMO) too cruel for ME to follow. I guess I could say I'm living proof that "Only the good die young.", at least in your estimation.
You say you are not spitting venom, then you call God "god", insulting Him and insulting me. He is the One who made you in His image, and you are indeed bitter toward Him. I suppose you are generally mild mannered enough since you try to carry on civil discussions but the underlying attitude toward God is to insult Him by denying He is good to you.
Sandy Hook Stoney Brook, whatever. Kids are in a world of suffering, and some of them suffer before they know right from wrong. You and I apparently were given time with less suffering than those kids when in reality we deserve the worst of suffering in this world. You should be thankful to God for getting a pass to not suffer like those kids did.
The time of your death is in God's hands, the same as those kids who suffer. The fact that He allows suffering to happen now does not mean He does not care. When sin is forever removed from the presence of the living, there will be no more suffering except for the sinners in Hell who remained strong against God in their pride. He is the Creator and He has the right to punish as He sees fit when He sees fit, against those of His creatures who turned against Him. You are not exempt, neither am I but I am forgiven as God Himself paid for my sins with His own blood while I was still His enemy.
The sufferings of this present world are not worthy to be compared to the glory which will be revealed in those who love God, who have believed on Jesus, and will be like Jesus with Him in Heaven.
As long as you are hung up on using the suffering as your basis of rejection of God's love, all you will have is suffering because you love it more than you love God, it's your favorite weapon to accuse God with...and God will let you keep it because He loves you.
You indeed harbor animosity against God because you keep saying over and over and over against that He is not good enough for you...you keep saying you think you are better than Him because of the suffering you see in the world. What can I say but the truth as you stand in your sin now, that you are in imminent danger of Hell fire and will have no way out if you finalize your death saying you are as good or better than God?
Look. I am NOT bitter. I did NOT call God, god, I mentioned YOUR "god". That is not calling it by name. A god is a god whether it be yours or Zeus or Isis.. They were considered gods by others. I did NOT deny he was good to me, I denied his existence, not as an insult but as a BELIEF. You have yours, I have mine and I'm sorry you think I am terrible for feeling that way. I suppose all the Buddhists and Hindus etc. in the world insult Him by denying Him. That's a LOT of insulting people, tsk,tsk.
I don't know where you got the idea that the children of Sandy Hook school were "suffering". That is a very effluent area of CT. They didn't "suffer" until that "faulty creation", if you must, walked into the school and killed those "suffering creations", also if you must! The other "faulty creation" walked into a "House of God" and killed a bunch of "Gods Children" while they were at Prayer! In the Philippines, Japanese soldiers walked into a church where the people had taken refuge, believing with all their hearts, that GOD would protect them. HE didn't. These examples of "GODS Love" turn ME against HIM!
The "sufferings of this present world" are no different than the sufferings of the same world earlier. More people have been killed, or suffered, because of different opinions of religion than have ever been killed by the auto and Cancer put together! I don't wish to insult YOU or your god (not calling out HIS name, again), I don't insult Allah, Zeus or Godhead, I simply cannot worship something I take to be CRUEL and malicious, I don't "harbor animosity" against your god or anyone else's, I am not "saying over and over that HE is not good enough for me". I simply don't believe. My "animosity" is against the result of MOST religions, and their passion to defend their gods. Yes. WE are wasting OUR time, I will not change you, you will not change me. May you have a good life, I am.
Look, you hate God, that's why you call him my god which would be a created thing. You want the Living God to be gone, and if you keep asking for it there will be no indication of His goodness like there is now....no sign of His goodness when you cant' get out of the fire of Hell. God reluctantly will give you a world where it is impossible to know His love since you keep saying that's the way you want it to be.
Why do you keep gloating over the fate of the children of Sandy Hook? You sure seem to enjoy using that as if you have dirt in your hand to rub in God's face. I think you should be ashamed of yourself for implying God does not care about those children, their families, or you. Maybe you would really enjoy being a cripple for life yourself, then you could tell everybody what marvelous proof you have that God does not care for you.....you sure seem to enjoy having a lot of deaths of children like they are your big gun to shoot God with.
All you are doing is bringing condemnation of yourself, and you deserve it. Sin kills, sinner, it's your sin which is taking you to Hell, it's sin which brought death into the world, and you are a glutton for the suffering because it makes you feel powerful when you can use the suffering in this world as an accusation against God's goodness. You are the one who is not good, God is good and He has a plan. Innocent children are with God in Heaven. You are not innocent. You're a nasty glutton of suffering acting like you are happy people suffer so you can tell them God hates them and their families. I wouldn't want you near my family.
I don't have a god. All of the gods are idols. Your god is your own mind, by which you think you make yourself better, smarter, stronger than God. And why do you do that? It's because you hate God, plain and simple. In your self-deception, you may be at the point where it is impossible for you to be honest and admit your need of God's mercy, maybe God is hardening your heart and knowing you will only make it harder until it is heat-treated hardened in the fire of Hell where sinner's against their will bow their knees at the sound of the name of Jesus and say He is LORD. God created you to glorify Himself, for His own pleasure, and if you want no pleasure in Him, then He loves you so much He will give your desire of no pleasure in God by leaving you in Hell......where sinners reside when the blood of God the Son could have been their cover for their sins, their own sinful blood is on their own head in which forever bounce the haughting memories of how they chose death over life when God patiently offered them pardon from Hell and now it's too late. Looks like you are going to be in the fire soon. I hope not, but it really looks like you are in for it....by your own words.
All of the things you are mentioning are happening because of one little decision in the early days. I'm sure you know the story Adam and eve. because eve ate the fruit sin entered the world, but don't try to find things on Jesus. I used to think just like you until;l i realized this is how the devil tricks us. Don't let him
I wont. Neither will I let the Emperor Constantine trick me, or King James, or Mohammad, etc. Since I don't believe in Satan, and I DO believe in the "alleged teachings" of Jesus .... even though ancient religions long before HIM taught similar things and told similar stories (myths).
St. Francis of Assisi "made up" the story of the nativity as a "way to explain the birth of Jesus". Others have "made up" the story of Satan. I'm sorry, I simply don't believe "stories" that are not followed by at least a reasonable amount of what can be construed as "fact". Some evidence! People being slaughtered in "Houses of God", show little evidence that "God will protect us. Children drowning, trying to escape terror, or slaughtered by a deranged gunman, well, if I saw a "god" step in and save them I might see a reason to "believe". I'm still waiting. All I see is that myths don't save anyone, and you can put any name you wish on evil. Satan? Andrew? Donald? Or any other mythological figure. I prefer "scumbag", or the like. Scumbag isn't going to run my life.
This stuff is sooooo stupid. God is going to end all wars one day, and all evildoers will be forever separated from the living. You are one of the evildoers, sitting there enjoying God's goodness and using his temporary tolerance of oppressors as your excuse for speaking evil against Him, trying to murder God because you think He should take care of business faster to meet your demands.
God is giving you time you do not deserve any more than those extremely evil oppressors and murderers deserve. If God were to stop all evil now, your time would be over and you would be burning in Hell now. God does not want that, but eventually He will run out of patience and put an end to all evildoers including you.
I don't even have to read this to know what you are saying. The fact that God allows evil to damage now does not mean He will allow it to damage forever. The "God", quoute/unquote you are referring to is not the Living God who is not constrained by time but rather created time.
Jesus is God incarnate, God the Man, the Son of God. He will rule the world from Mt. Zion, and in that day all of Israel will know He is there Messiah, who they crucified for His claims of deity because they did not want to repent of their sins and believe on Him. Death could not hold Him in the ground, and He offers YOU forgiveness of all of your sin, and will relieve YOU of all of YOUR suffering if you will believe on Him and trust Him. God wants you to be honest with Him, and admit like a child to a Father that you have wronged Him, dishonored His name by things you have done and said, believe He paid for your sins with His own blood as the Son of God, and call on God the Father in the name of His son to be forgiven, saved from you sin, relieved of eternal suffering in Hell.
The stuff you say against God is indeed soooooo stupid That's why I don't need to read it to know what you are saying. You are just another spoiled brat throwing a temper tantrum because you can't get the things you want when you want them, and you can't be satisfied until you get the whole universe bowing down to you. It's not going to happen, you can't dethrone God and replace Him with yourself.
What causes wars? Is it not the evil in the hearts of men? The only way for God to end all wars is to end the evil in the hearts of men. Why would God end all wars and then allow people like you to fight over who is going to rule the world, start more wars, and then God would have to end them again.
God will one day confine all sinners in the fire of Hell, and there will be no more war when His saints, like me, who have turned against our sin and to the Living God through faith in the blood of His Son which bought us by paying for us so our sins are covered and we are forgiven....the saints of God will be completely revealed as sons of God and their evil will be gone while they reign forever in the Kingdom of Heaven with the KING Of Kings, the King of all Creation, Jesus Christ.
With your attitude now, (unless you have repented and believed on the Lord Jesus Christ and are now saved from Hell), If God were to end all wars now, you would be one of the sinners forever confined in the fire of Hell to prevent evil on the Earth. God does not want you to burn in Hell forever, that's why He is giving you time and allowing evil to continue temporarily.
Your arguments as soooooo dumb because you act like you are arguing against God when you argue against something that is not God who loves you, and in reality you are only arguing against your own evil while you try to justify your self....it's futile, impossible, and you are losing everything in your stupidity. My guess is that you will continue playing dumb and acting like you don't know better and blaming God until He proves His right to rule against your personal evil by leaving you in Hell. I hope you prove me wrong, but most people will prove me right when I say this to them....it's sad. It's hard to watch them going when I know they can be saved from it, so like a fool beating the air I try to tell fools that God loves them.
We are all evil doers, all sinners. We all need God's mercy, we all need to be forgiven. We all deserve to die and burn in Hell. I am forgiven, I have eternal life now. You????????? you don't even care about yourself, do you?
If you look through history factually there is no evidence that any God or demigod has improved the living conditions of any of their followers. There is no way that would improve anything
It is a historical and evidential fact that God has improved my living conditions. Everybody who knows me knows it's true, though some say that it was only me making better choices rather than God compelling me to obey Him and blessing me in obeying Him. The same is true for hundreds of people I know personally, and true for millions throughout all of history. Most people will never be changed, most will die in their sins with their own blood on their own heads and pay for it in Hell.
You want to deny God, and all you are doing is denying yourself of life. That's the only way you can deny God, by keeping Him from giving you life so that you end up in eternal dying in the lake of fire, the only way the devil can strike back at God by depriving God the pleasure of having you know His mercy and goodness. He's being good to you and you are trying to say He is evil. One day, if you do not repent, you will have what you want, complete confirmation that God is not good to you when all you know is evil in the fire of Hell where you will fry like an eternal sausage writhing in pain if before it's too late you will not repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
Hi Saintnow, hope all is well with you, Have a Merry Christmas.
You are right, many people have used God to improve their lives. If it works for you then it is a good. For some of us it is just like Santa, it's great if you are able to believe, but if you find out the truth it's just impossible to go back. You may think that it is somehow about something else but for me it's not. I am not worried about dying or eternity as I know that it will be no different than it was before I was born. The thought that I will no longer exist at some point is not a happy thought but it is one I can live with. If by believing in God you can eliminate that unhappy thought, that's great.
This stuff is not worth reading, sorry. Your "Merry Christmas" to me is empty, since you pour so much of your life into insulting the Christ, Jesus, who is the center of the holy day.
Well, y'know, I can't complain about my living conditions. The "BIG GUY" seems to take pretty good care of me. You scare me though. You keep telling me he's going to send me to HELL. Kind of like a Republican, you keep repeating something often enough it seems to become true!
Let me correct you this time. I have NEVER said HE is evil. I've said IF HE EXISTED, the world knows that HE hasn't helped an AWFUL lot of ....um...."creations". HE doesn't seem to be able to shut down those "false religions" that have "sprung up" over the last 20 centuries. Maybe Hell is getting so full of the "unbelievers" around the world, there's no room for ME...ya think? Anyway, if HE does have anything to do with it, I can't complain. I just hope HE continues to treat me nice, and if I get to see him, I'll put in a good word for you, I mean, telling people to "go to hell" and "fry" isn't very Christian-like, to MY mind, but then, I stayed away from Christianity....too violent for ME! Please, have a peaceful life. You seem to take things SOOO personally! If HE is going to punish ME, HE doesn't need YOUR help....then again....HE doesn't seem to handle a crisis well. Maybe I can calm HIM when I see HIM, and maybe make some suggestions? I'd LOVE to talk him out of some of the VIOLENCE! Maybe buy him a beer?
Your sin is taking you to Hell. Your sin has separated you from God, and He made the way for you to be reconciled to Him by plunging Himself into death for you, to bring you out of it into eternal life. Jesus is God, He died for you. If you end up in Hell, it's because you chose to go your own way in your sin, in your pride, insisting you need not be saved from dying.
Don't blame anybody but yourself if you end up in Hell. God loves you and did all He could to get you out of it. He offers you eternal life as a gift, He offers you pardon from guilt as a gift through faith in Christ. Thank you for allowing this presentation of God's love. God loves you.
We are all seeing the result of the lie of "separation of Church and state".
Without faith in God, that America is turning away from, we are already seeing the results.....
Millions of abortions each year while the liars say our preganacy rates are going down without faith in God. They say man's so called morals work... LOL yeh pregnancy rates are going down because we are killing the Babies before anyone knows of a pregnancy.
Our family units are in shambles and the only answer from the Left is to grow welfare and social programs. Democrats want Government to be the fathers of our children so they can keep their votes. No wonder our kids are so screwed up.
We've got terrorism growing decade after decade, as well as a growing Muslim influence in this nation. When you separate God from our pubic, the void WILL be filled with things much worse than insecure bigots could ever imagine. The Bible teaches Christians to love their enemy and forgive one another. The Quran teaches to kill those who do not believe as you. If the Quran teaches us to love our enemy and those who do not believe the same way, I would love for people to show me the verses.
This nation's values are truly dieing and without a true transformed America, transformed back to the moral values once lifted up, we are going to collapse from within.
Without faith in God, that America is turning away from, we are already seeing the results.....
You're right! Things are getting better.
Millions of abortions each year while the liars say our preganacy rates are going down without faith in God. They say man's so called morals work... LOL yeh pregnancy rates are going down because we are killing the Babies before anyone knows of a pregnancy.
The abortion rate is actually decreasing. Because the pregnancy rate is also decreasing. There has been a steady downward trend of the number of abortions since the 1990s.
"Although it’s impossible to attribute the decline to a single factor, the data shows that better contraception — combined with a bad economy and a falling teen pregnancy rate — is largely responsible"
And abortion rates are dropping even in states where no anti-abortion laws or restrictions have been passed.
"In fact, some of the states with the biggest declines — Hawaii, Nevada and New Mexico — have enacted no new abortion laws in recent years, suggesting that something other than reduced access is spurring the trend."
The teenage pregnancy rate has also been falling steadily since the 1990s.
And here's the key point: "Over the past decade, more and more women have opted for abortions early in their pregnancies, but as states place more barriers in their way, that trend could shift. If women have to jump through more hoops — travel to faraway clinics or encounter waiting periods that require overnight stays — they might delay the procedure until they can raise enough money or take time off work. “We know that restrictive policies don’t deter most women from getting abortions, but it can delay them,” "
So there's a reason why someone would get a late term abortion.
This article is from Nate Silver by the way, the man who successfully called the outcomes in 49 of the 50 states in the 2008 U.S. Presidential election, and all 50 in the 2012 election. He knows what he's talking about in regards to statistics.
What a bunch of garbage. Try usng data of abortions and teen pregnancy before the 70's!
You are doing what all deceivers do, you cheery pick data to make your argument seem feasible. Abortions and teen pregnancies were at their peak during the time you want to use to say they are dropping.
Interesting! Can you show me that data? Because I was trying to show data from the past 25 years, as that seemed relevant. I don't quite see your point. Can you elaborate?
Try usng data of abortions and teen pregnancy before the 70's!
I'm not sure why you would choose that date anyways, as, in the 1990s, abortion and teen pregnancy rates hit record lows, not their peaks, as you suggested.
And if I'm "cherry picking" data, as you are utterly convinced I am, then it should be easy for you to provide some counter-data, or explain why the data I have supplied already is invalid.
And you know what, yes, lets compare to the 1950s: In the 1950s, about a million illegal abortions a year were performed in the U.S., and over a thousand women died each year as a result. Source
And while that number fluctuated until about the 1980s, since then, it has been a steady decline. And looking at recent data: In 2011, approximately 1.06 million abortions took place in the U.S., down from an estimated 1.21 million abortions in 2008, 1.29 million in 2002, 1.31 million in 2000 and 1.36 million in 1996. Source
Ok. But as of right now, claiming that you have "read the data before" doesn't mean that the data exists. So I'll leave this response here for you to respond to when 'get time' to do a google search.
So, I think we agree that the number of abortions went up rapidly, but, since around 1980, they have been decreasing, and it has been doing so consistently since 1990. That still disputes your original claim. If abortions were a natural effect of people moving away from God, why are the number of abortions going down as the number of people with no religion are going up?
They are going down from the peak and if you read the entire article, you would see that pro abortion providers were forced to start educating the women before abortions, and they created a waiting period after the women were shown what that little baby looked like, etc etc.
This I'm sure helped stop many abortions once the women found out they were not just getting rid of tissue.
Also, the article said how the Baby boomers were getting beyond child bearing years and there would obviously be less pregnancies when there are fewer women. Now would you please admit that obvious fact? FEWER WOMEN, FEWER PREGNANCIES AND FEWER ABORTIONS.
Can you imagine in the 60's during baby boom peak there were fewer percentages of pregnancies and abortions? It is obvious that morals and our Christian values did work back then, and now today with fewer women we are seeing a larger % of pregnancies and abortions then in the 60's.
FEWER WOMEN, FEWER PREGNANCIES AND FEWER ABORTIONS.
Are you trying to argue that there are fewer women in the US now than there were 20 years ago, and that accounts for the decreased number of abortions? Because... that's not true.
The percentages of abortions are much higher today then before the 70's. There are fewer women being born today so OBVIOUSLY there will be fewer abortions than from the late 80's when the Baby boomers were still in their child bearing years. This is what that artcle also mentioned for the reasons of the drop in abortions from the late 80's.
In 2012, 699,202 legal induced abortions were reported to CDC from 49 reporting areas. The abortion rate for 2012 was 13.2 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years, and the abortion ratio was 210 abortions per 1,000 live births.
Compared with 2011, the total number and ratio of reported abortions for 2012 decreased 4%, and the abortion rate decreased 5%. Additionally, from 2003 to 2012, the number, rate, and ratio of reported abortions decreased 17%, 18%, and 14%, respectively. Given the large decreases in the total number, rate, and ratio of reported abortions from 2011 to 2012, in combination with decreases that occurred during 2008–2011, all three measures reached historic lows.
Women in their twenties accounted for the majority of abortions in 2012 and throughout the period of analysis. The majority of abortions in 2012 took place early in gestation: 91.4% of abortions were performed at ≤13 weeks’ gestation; a smaller number of abortions (7.2%) were performed at 14–20 weeks’ gestation, and even fewer (1.3%) were performed at ≥21 weeks’ gestation. In 2012, 20.8% of all abortions were medical abortions. The percentage of abortions reported as early medical abortions increased 10% from 2011 to 2012.
It does not only count the amount of abortions, you can see also the ratio. And that's what allows to make comparisons, and you PERFECTLY see that the %s have been lowered.
What on earth are you talking about? I said there were fewer abortions before the 70's than there are today. Back then we still had some moral values and respect for an innocent life.
When it's not legal the abortions aren't accounted, that doesn't mean they aren't performed. They were either illegal ones or people who could afford it went to other countries where it was legal.
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I see, it is ok to count the illegal abortions on the Left when they have no clue, but when pro life people count them, there is no way to count them. Double talk as always.
If you look at the numbers from the Left for abortions before they were legal, they give estimates of 200,000 to 1.2 million! LOL, in other words they have no clue but fools on this site throw out the 1 million number.
No, the government counts the abortions. And yes, you had some republican presidents since 1970, and the abortions were accounted. More than 22 years in total having a republican president.
but when pro life people count them, there is no way to count them
How come so? They didn't seem to have problems to count them.
And actually, the fault that they were not statistics is completely the one from your government, and the morals of that days, since it was taboo. And you blame 'the left' for that? lol
And no, you hadn't better morals back then sorry :)
Live in your dream world of self love. That innocent life is just a burden to those who get pregnant, and does not superede their own pleasures in life.
That they weren't accounted does not mean they didn't occur. It means that they were either a lot of illegal abortions or people who could afford it went to countries were it was legal.
Oh true, I misread what you said as in the 70s, and was going off of our previous conversation, where you said my statistics were invalid because they were from the peak.
While it is likely that the number of abortions was less then, it's hard to say for sure because legal, documented abortions were still new, and we don't have good data on the time.
But regardless, your original claims that abortions are rampant and getting worse because morals are getting worse just doesn't make sense. The number of abortions today is on a steady decline, and is less than the year Roe V. Wade occurred.
When I talk about abortions being rampant because of our loss of moral values, I am speaking to the numbers when they were illegal, to when they were legalized. I could care less if they are less than the peak of those in the late 80's. The numbers will always fluctuate and if they find a better contraception that takes no effort and no loss of sensitivity, there will be fewer pregnancies. That has nothing to do with our amoral culture where the right to life of even ONE BABY should be protected.
Do you actually think that the numbers of abortions happening from the day after pill is being recorded? Of course the numbers of abortions requiring an abortion procedure will be fewer.
Abortions were legalized while our traditional morals were being attacked by the Left. It's been a constant slippery slope as our culture degrades. Our families are broken, divorce rate skyrocketing for those who actually get married because many are living together.
It's ludicrous to deny the breakdown in our moral values and the hrm caused.
Except that you argue that societies morals have continued to crumble. And yet, over the past 40 years, the ratio of abortions to people, a number you view as a sign of this crumbling, has gone down.
You talk about the breakdown of our morals, but you are referring to tradition morals. Because you know what? We don't have the same moral outlook as people 1000s of years ago, or even 10s of years ago.
You just confirmed what I say all the time. As our nation separates mention of our Christian heritage in public, the traditional moral values we've lifted up for centuries are being ridiculed and transformed. Our culture's new no fault anything goes values are bankrupting this nation.
Like I have always said, without faith in God, mankind has no moral foundation to hold on to. Our values change on the whims of political correctness.
If you can not see this with our broken families, terrible grades in schools, etc. etc. then what can I say.
Abortions statistics do not include day after abortions which is one reason surgical abortions(which are recorded) are down. We also have had required education for women contemplating abortions and many change their minds. They are required to wait and be educated to what that unborn Baby looks like when they have an abortion, etc.
Listen, FromWithin. You can keep believing that our country's failings are due to a moral breakdown of America, and the country moving away from God, but I'm going to listen to facts and reason, not the media and politicians.
I'm going to lay some stuff out now, which I doubt you'll care about, but regardless, it was interesting to me.
If you can not see this with our broken families, terrible grades in schools, etc. etc. then what can I say.
Ok, lets talk about grades for a second, that's a good topic. Your argument is that our country is stepping away from God, so our morals are degrading and our education system is failing.
So, first of all, lets take a look at the top 10 education systems in the world, as of 2015 (I pulled this list from a couple sources, the order might be slightly shifted, but these 10 are essentially the strongest.)
1. South Korea
2. Japan
3. Singapore
4. Hong Kong
5. Finland
6. The United Kingdom
7. Canada
8. The Netherlands
9. Ireland
10. Poland
The United States hovers around #14.
If your argument is correct, then the countries on this list should have strong religious representation, right? If educational success is linked with good, Christian morals, these should be good Christian countries. (some of these numbers may be dated by 5 or so years, you are welcome to fact check if you are not happy with the numbers.)
1. South Korea - ~45% atheist/no religion, ~23% buddhist, ~18% protestant, ~11% catholic
2. Japan - Unique, in that about 50% adhere to no religion or Shinto, which is traditional Japanese folk customs, ~35% buddhist, ~2.4% Christian
3. Singapore - 33% Buddhist, 18% Christian, 17% no religion, 15% Islamic, 11% Taoism, 5% Hindi
4. Hong Kong - Hard to quantify, due to variety, but about 50% adhere to organized religion, and about 50% follow traditional Chinese customs. However, China is considered one of the least religious countries, with, in a 2015 survey, 90% claimed to adhere to no religion. Source
5. Finland - About 73% Christian, and about 20% no religion, but the has been swiftly changing over the past few years (Those without religion have been gaining popularity)
6. The United Kingdom - ~60% christian, ~27% no religion
7. Canada - ~38% roman catholic, 28% other Christians, 28% atheist, 3% islam
8. The Netherlands - 56% atheist/agnostic (highest in the world, I believe,) and about 24% Ietsism
9. Ireland - 81% Christian, 10% not religious
10. Poland - 87% Christian, 8-10% not religious
And then America, at number 14, with about 70% Christian, and about 22% with no religion.
So, lets look at those numbers.
Clearly, having a larger population that adheres to any religion, let alone Christianity, does not indicate a strong education system. The top 4 on this list have atheism or no religion as the largest religious group in the country. However, as both countries with and without strong Christian representation are on this list, that is obviously not the deciding factor around the success of an education system.
But I'd be careful what you use to justify your arguments.
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Look. As We established earlier, the number of abortions: going down. The number of unwanted pregnancy is going down. The number of teen pregnancy? GOING DOWN. The trends of STD spreading are incredibly, incredible low.
You think things were better in the 50s-70s? Well, in 1950, there were about 146.0 cases of STD's per 1000 people in the United States (this was in the middle of a steady decline). Today? About 20. So do you account that to the segregation of our values as well? Source
Unemployment is down.
And if you want to look at things monetarily, lets look at the global scale. As of 2011, these were the top 20 countries with the highest GDP per person.
Ranking, Country, US$
1 Luxembourg 122,272
2 Qatar 97,967
3 Norway 96,591
4 Switzerland 84,983
5 Australia 66,984
6 United Arab Emirates 66,625
7 Denmark 63,003
8 Sweden 61,098
9 Netherlands 51,410
10 Canada 51,147
11 Singapore 50,714
12 Austria 50,504
13 Finland 50,090
14 Ireland 48,517
15 United States 48,147
16 Belgium 48,110
17 Kuwait 46,461
18 Japan 45,774
19 Germany 44,558
20 France 44,401
And 14 of those 20 countries above belong to the top 25 least religious countries in the world.
And these are the bottom 20:
Ranking, Country, US$
164 Timor-Leste 649
165 Nepal 644
166 Gambia, The 620
167 Guinea-Bissau 585
168 Rwanda 585
169 Afghanistan 575
170 Mozambique 551
171 Tanzania 550
172 Togo 511
173 Central African Republic 483
174 Eritrea 473
175 Uganda 453
176 Guinea 438
177 Madagascar 428
178 Niger 428
179 Ethiopia 351
180 Malawi 350
181 Sierra Leone 347
182 Liberia 258
183 Congo, Democratic Republic of the 211
184 Burundi
185 Somalia
And of those bottom 20, only Nepal has less than 98% of the country being religious.
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And wanna talk about happiness? I'd love to. Based on a 2015 report, these are the top 10 happiest countries in the world: Source
1. Switzerland
2. Iceland
3. Denmark
4. Norway
5. Canada
6. Finland
7. The Netherlands
8. Sweden
9. New Zealand
10. Australia
Fun fact: Switzerland is the country that eats the most chocolate. No surprise there that they are number one. XD
But again, a majority of those on that list are some of the least religious countries in the world.
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And to respond to the other 'points' you made at me just now:
You just confirmed what I say all the time. As our nation separates mention of our Christian heritage in public, the traditional moral values we've lifted up for centuries are being ridiculed and transformed.
Yes, people's outlook on morals is changing as time goes on. There is nothing inherently wrong with this.
Like I have always said, without faith in God, mankind has no moral foundation to hold on to. Our values change on the whims of political correctness.
...so? Our values change. It's not as if they're changing based on nothing... They are being based on reason and thought. The reason people are becoming more accepting of homosexuality is because they are realizing that there is nothing inherently wrong with it. The reason people are becoming more accepting of gender fluidity is because they are realizing there is nothing inherently wrong with it. The reason people in the past have become more accepting of blacks, and women, and immigrants, and so on is because they have made the conscious realization that those biases don't make sense.
Change is good. To pretend that our morals as they are now or as they have been in the past are flawless is ridiculous. We must continue discussing these topics, learning, and growing.
Abortions statistics do not include day after abortions which is one reason surgical abortions(which are recorded) are down.
Are you referring to Plan B? I don't quite understand your argument?
We also have had required education for women contemplating abortions and many change their minds. They are required to wait and be educated to what that unborn Baby looks like when they have an abortion, etc.
Actually, research has shown that all this does is delay abortions, because they are required to wait. You can't advocate this, and then bash people for having more late term abortions.
Switzerland is a nice country to live in, it's peaceful, it's wealthy, and it's apparently the law to own atleast one firearm. It's also Socialist and Liberalized.
You are actually bringing up nations like China that require forced abortions and tell people to kill their Baby if it is a girl?
I could care less what other nations do. They are not bleeding heart Liberals who allow irresponsibility without accountability or consequences. If a child fails in Japan, he is destined to a terrible life with no hope of finding a good job. There are consequences in those nations for failure.
In America if a child drops out of school, the Left says don't worry, it's not your fault, it's your bad childhood to blame. Come on down and live off tax payers your entire life.
You can't compare other nations and cultures that have nothing to do with our culture or our Christian heritage. Open your eyes.... it's easy to see the results of a Christian nation being transformed by bleeding heart idiots.
Many nations who have never had a Christian heritage, rule their people with an iron fist and you better do good in school or your life will be misery.
America believed in freedom and individual liberties. We made sure Goverment could never rule it's people with an iron fist. Our nation became great because of the humanity and love and moral values from our Christian heritage. People did not fear an iron fist, they feared the consequences of living immoral lives. The Left tells everyone there will no longer be consequences from immoral behavior and we are seeing the results. Not only don't people fear an iron fist, they also don't fear consequences of immoral lifestyles because Government bails them out on the backs of tax payers. We are going bankrupt from that idiotic philosophy, and a generation of failing kids.
Your argument simply does not work. You made a statement about a supposed objective link between religion and morality. That link has been demonstrated to be false elsewhere, therefore serious evidence is required to prove that America is somehow the global exception. Seeing as how we are not the only country on those lists to be founded by Christians, or to hold the ideals of post-Enlightenment liberalism, the examples he provided are clear and relevant.
So instead of lying about what the Left supposedly wants, why not explain why your claims somehow can only apply to the United States and nowhere else?
You are actually bringing up nations like China that require forced abortions and tell people to kill their Baby if it is a girl?
I could care less what other nations do. They are not bleeding heart Liberals who allow irresponsibility without accountability or consequences. If a child fails in Japan, he is destined to a terrible life with no hope of finding a good job. There are consequences in those nations for failure.
Oh, so you agree that it isn't God that defines success, it's other factors. We just disagree about what those other factors are. Good, glad we got there.
You can't compare other nations and cultures that have nothing to do with our culture or our Christian heritage. Open your eyes.... it's easy to see the results of a Christian nation being transformed by bleeding heart idiots.
Yes I can absolutely compare these countries. You claimed that our success was based on this heritage and our failures were because this heritage was diminishing, so I investigated if diminishing Christian heritage had any of the same effects anywhere else, and lo and behold, they don't. Which suggests that the diminishing of Christian heritage is not what causes these problems.
Many nations who have never had a Christian heritage, rule their people with an iron fist and you better do good in school or your life will be misery.
Same is true for many nations that have had Christian heritage. And the opposite is true for many nations that haven't. The Christian heritage doesn't inherently solve anything.
Most of these other nations never had a Christian heritage that was then transformed by progressives. They were totally different cultures that never came and prospered from a Christain heritage.
I never said that there could not be good school grades without faith in God. If you looked at many of my posts concerning our broken famiies and failing grades, you would see that my point speaks to the results of broken families, children with no fathers or structure at home which is needed for a child to do his homework.
Of course kids in other nations will have good grades with parents at home making them do their homework. Other nations hold ther people accountable for their actions. The bleeding heart liberal does not. He wants our children on the Government dole to control the future vote.
Japan has very large suicide rates for people who failed in schools and understood they would never get ahead.
Somewhat around half of those have a longer history of Christian heritage than our country does, actually, and many of them are more progressive than we are. Substantially more so, actually.
Additionally, if you can agree that other countries can be "Godless" without falling apart, it seems to undermine your argument that our society will fall apart by becoming more secular.
It isn't obvious to millions of people, and while you many know nothing about other cultures, many other (such as myself) do.
You keep saying we are falling apart, but whenever people ask you to demonstrate it, you can't. When people provide you with statistics that prove that in many ways our country is getting better, you completely ignore them.
If it is obvious, you should be able to demonstrate it. If our nation was actually falling apart, everyone should be able to tell. The fact that you can't and they don't undermines your apocalyptic claims.
This is the reason I ban you. You deny the obvious. It matters not how many things I show you going wrong with this nation. You just deny it is a problem. Hence the ban!
I talk about our 18 trillion debt nd how the interest payment n that debt will soon equal our total military spending and say we are doing better.
I say our families are broken with more people on welafre and more people living in poverty, and you say we are getting better. Over 70% black children do not have both parents at home. Over 50% white kids don't have both parents at home.
Our school grades are falling to the world, etc. etc.
This is why ban certain people on this site. I just demonstrated my claims but as always you will just deny it.
This is the reason I ban you. You deny the obvious. It matters not how many things I show you going wrong with this nation. You just deny it is a problem. Hence the ban!
This is the point: It isn't obvious to anyone but you!! If it was obvious, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
I talk about our 18 trillion debt nd how the interest payment n that debt will soon equal our total military spending and say we are doing better.
Our debt is indeed worse, I do not deny that at all.
I say our families are broken with more people on welafre and more people living in poverty, and you say we are getting better. Over 70% black children do not have both parents at home. Over 50% white kids don't have both parents at home.
The state of our families is also rather bad, I do not deny that.
Our school grades are falling to the world, etc. etc.
Our rankings are falling, but our children are still more educated than ever.
This is why ban certain people on this site. I just demonstrated my claims but as always you will just deny it.
You'll note I didn't. Now are you open to listening to me showing you ways in which our country is getting better, or are you going to "deny the obvious"? :P
I have never said there are not things better from 50 years ago. We have improved on race relations although Democrats seem bent on starting up race wars once again. But as you see, even with improved race relations, we see a terrible break down in the African American family. Even durng the time of slavery, Black famiies stayed together. So as far as race relations, things are better, but with the fatherless children in Black communities, they are living hard lives.
We have come a long way in healthcare improvements no thanks to either party. With improved technology, we have seen many improvements in health, longer lifespans, etc.
So of course there are improvements in our society simply because of technology.
These types of things have nothing to do with my arguments or debates. I am speaking to the state of our cuture, our moral values, our irresponsible lifestyles, our debt spending, the security of our children, etc. etc.
These are the areas where America is failing big time.
I have never said there are not things better from 50 years ago.
If society was actually falling apart, why would things be getting better?
We have improved on race relations although Democrats seem bent on starting up race wars once again.
Must I quote Republicans trying the same thing? Both parties use race as a political tool in a shameful way.
But as you see, even with improved race relations, we see a terrible break down in the African American family. Even durng the time of slavery, Black famiies stayed together.
Not really. Families were regularly broken up as their children were sold off or the parents were used as breeding stock. That said, I agree that African Americans are seeing a breakdown of their family structure, and I agree a lot of work needs to be done to fix that.
These types of things have nothing to do with my arguments or debates. I am speaking to the state of our cuture, our moral values, our irresponsible lifestyles, our debt spending, the security of our children, etc. etc.
But that's the point: You make claims that rely entirely on a very small number of cherry picked topics. I agree there are some areas in which America needs a lot of work, but you are ignoring the areas (including cultural and moral ones) in which our society has become better than ever. If you are going to claim that our society is falling apart, those things shouldn't be improving.
It seems to me that you were simply being hyperbolic. If so, then why not just refrain from using hyperbole and refer only to the specific instances that you were talking about? The hyperbole really undermines the validity of the overarching claims you made and makes it far more difficult to hold a conversation on the specifics that you apparently meant to refer to.
You mean I should refraim from pointing out the bad things happening in America, the many areas where are are getting worse? LOL, you just got done saying there is a lot of work to do in these areas. People like you are the problem. Whenever Conservatives bring up the many problems in this ntaion, you sit their and ridicule them for it. The Left cn not stand to hear any mention of moral values. It is truly sickening what your no fault ideology is doing to this nation.
This is why progressies are so terrible for this nation. They refuse to address the areas of harm caused by their own left wing ideology. They simply deny the facts of what is going on. Then I simply have to ignore the denial.
When you listen to Democrat rhetoric, NEVER do you hear any mention of the break down in our families, our debt, etc.
They are the problem and we need Conservatives in Government to stop the death of our nation's core moral values.
You mean I should refraim from pointing out the bad things happening in America, the many areas where are are getting worse?
Nowhere in my post did I come even close to insinuating anything of the sort. I said you should specifically point out things that are getting worse without claiming that society is falling apart, because the hyperbole of the latter claim undermines the former and makes it more difficult to discuss.
LOL, you just got done saying there is a lot of work to do in these areas. People like you are the problem
You are accusing me of being the problem based on something I didn't actually say.
Whenever Conservatives bring up the many problems in this ntaion, you sit their and ridicule them for it.
How have you already forgotten the fact that I agreed with you on those specific problems?
The Left cn not stand to hear any mention of moral values. It is truly sickening what your no fault ideology is doing to this nation.
Again, how have you forgotten the fact that I agreed with you?
This is why progressies are so terrible for this nation. They refuse to address the areas of harm caused by their own left wing ideology.
I really do not understand your attention span.
They simply deny the facts of what is going on.
Except for the fact that I agreed with you.
When you listen to Democrat rhetoric, NEVER do you hear any mention of the break down in our families, our debt, etc.
Who do you think you are kidding? I have a brain & I know exactly what you are doing. You sit there finally telling me you agree with my claims of the breakdown in our families, our debt, our school grades, and then AS ALWAYS you spend most of your time still disputing my argument by bringing up some areas where we have improved.
How about once in your life simply agreeing with my points of contention that you say you agree? Why must you always disagree with the obvious? Of course we can find areas where we have improved. SO WHAT! Stick to the points at hand!
Nah, people on the Left hate to hear any talk about moral values, personal accountabillity, consequences for one's irresponsbility, etc. You and those on the Left HATE this kind of talk and this is the very reason our culture is dieing.
You all sit there and say that people on the Left do talk about these problems. COMPLETE LIE! Oh sure, you will mention in a broad sense problems we have with famiies, the debt, etc. but NEVER in the context of personal behavior and moral values.
Most of these other nations never had a Christian heritage that was then transformed by progressives. They were totally different cultures that never came and prospered from a Christain heritage.
Can you provide examples? When you make broad statements like this, you aren't really making much of a point.
But isn't your argument that our country can only be great by upholding our Christian heritage? If that's the case, how are these countries thriving?
Every single nation on this planet is experiencing problems and for you act as if they are not is ludicrous. Everybody knows that moral values are what keep families together and families are the back bone of every nation.
You or myslef can not speak to the cultures of other nations because we have no clue what is truly going on.
We know our own nation, where we have come from and if things are improvng or getting worse.
Every single nation on this planet is experiencing problems and for you act as if they are not is ludicrous.
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You or myslef can not speak to the cultures of other nations because we have no clue what is truly going on.
Which is it? Is every country on the planet experiencing problems, or can no one speak to the cultures of other nations because we have no clue what's going on.
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You or myslef can not speak to the cultures of other nations because we have no clue what is truly going on.
Maybe it's a good thing I used sources then, and got opinions from people who study this as a living.
We know our own nation, where we have come from and if things are improvng or getting worse.
And it is my firm belief that where we are now is undoubtedly better than where we have come from.
And if you're argument is "I live here, so that means I know what's going on, and that means my view is better than your view", well, I also live here. So it's your word against mine. So how bout instead of saying that "we know our nation" we look at what's actually going on.
Like reductions in gun crime, less crime in general, fewer abortions, fewer teen pregnancies and unwanted pregnancies in general, the education system improving (it's flawed but improving), scientific inquiry is at a massive peak, and so on. Just because a news organization convinces you that everything is falling apart doesn't mean that it is.
So that's a rough basis for my claims. And you seem sure my claims are wrong. So how about you explain how less crime shows that things are getting worse. Or that any of those showcase things getting worse. Or that any of those are invalid. That would be called a debate.
You just confirmed what I say all the time. As our nation separates mention of our Christian heritage in public, the traditional moral values we've lifted up for centuries are being ridiculed and transformed. Our culture's new no fault anything goes values are bankrupting this nation.
You still haven't ever addressed why the statistics don't back up your claims.
Like I have always said, without faith in God, mankind has no moral foundation to hold on to. Our values change on the whims of political correctness.
So why aren't we seeing more abortions, more poverty, more crime, etc?
Abortions statistics do not include day after abortions which is one reason surgical abortions(which are recorded) are down. We also have had required education for women contemplating abortions and many change their minds. They are required to wait and be educated to what that unborn Baby looks like when they have an abortion, etc.
The first part seems irrelevant simply because you have no figures on how substantial that number is, and the latter part is irrelevant because it either doesn't do anything, or helps reduce the number of abortions, which shouldn't be the case if society is as fallen as you say.
So why has society not been falling apart, in your opinion? Why are we seeing happier people, less poverty, less crime, etc? Shouldn't those all be going down?
If I took drugs, I would want buschel loads of what you must be taking.
HAPPIER PEOPLE? LESS POVERTY? LESS CRIME?
We have many more people living their lives taking anti depressants, all drugged up so they can deal with life. We have record numbers of broken families. Kids being the ping pong balls between parent's visitation rights. That's not happy!
We have more people living in poverty with the most Liberal administration of all time.
When it comes to crime, those on the Left just make taking drugs legal and make killing unborn Babies legal, and wala, less crime.
That really doesn't make sense. In order to try to discredit claims, you point to entirely different issues, and ones that I don't approve of either. Pointing to broken families does not in any way discount the improved quality of life for everyone else. Pointing to the depressed does not somehow undermine the happiness of everyone else.
We have more people living in poverty with the most Liberal administration of all time.
Not only is that objectively untrue (did you forget the great depression, or most of United States history?) for poverty, but it is also untrue for this administration (did you forget Hoover and FDR?).
When it comes to crime, those on the Left just make taking drugs legal and make killing unborn Babies legal, and wala, less crime.
Let's go with an example: How do either of those indicate why there is about half the number of gun related crimes than in the 90's?
May I also point out that the many people now admitting they are gay, instead of living a lie, is also lowering the pregnancy rate AND the abortion rate. This also increases the adoption rate. Now, if we could get the Muslims and communists to accept the condition, the rates would reduce worldwide. (Oh, and the Catholics, the Evangelicals, etc.)
I doubt that homosexuality is a significant factor in rates of abortion. It certainly is a factor, but you are looking at a group of people that in the past have been:
• Gay, which is already a small percent of the population.
• Closeted, which yes, used to make up a lot of the homosexual community, and is no longer the case
• In a relationship with someone of the opposite sex, which doesn't always happen with closeted people
• Interested in having kids, which again doesn't always happen.
• Interested in an abortion, which is again, not everyone.
It is a factor, but I doubt it's one that has much impact on the data.
I admit I was just being a little facetious to the haters of gays, the conservative "No abortion whatsoever" group and the radical Bible thumpers that think "gayness" is a choice that can be "washed away as sins".
However, all I said was "facetiously true". (chuckle)!
This might come off harsh but id rather see a stem cell research facility full of aborted fetuses than an orphanage full of sad and embittered children. Fact; people are going to have unprotected sex.
It not only comes off as harsh, it comes off as inhuman. To excuse killing innocent life because that life might end up in a foster home, is the sort of mindless excuses Nazi's made for killing Jews, or terrorists killing women and children. Every selfish person since time began has come up with ridiculous excuses to justify their inhumanity.
Two inconsistencies come into play; 1 being Honor thy mother and father 2 being Free Will. Taking away a choice goes against free will does it not? Claiming innocence is relative wouldn't you say so. If god wanted the aborted child to live would it not be so? On the other hand if god let the fetus be aborted is that not his WILL? To argue what one considers morally right or wrong is subject to defining the circumstance of the situation. According to the ancient text if a rape victim becomes pregnant due to being raped she has to keep it. Ironically she still has a choice to make after the baby is born and honestly even during her term. Where as she can use drugs or any other unsafe ways to miscarry. Furthermore she has the option of adoption plain out relinquishing her parental right, leaving the 'innocent' child to be a ward of the state. You argue that this is a more moral choice than what I've suggested. I ask you this then in this day and age with the social system at its current state are they not one in the same? We all want the 'fairy tale' endings where some rich family adopts the cute child and all is well, what we tend to forget is those who arent adopted, those that arent deemed cute enough to deserve love and until they turn 18 are subject to prison like conditions. Yet my way is inhumane and diabolical? No! I'm just a realest, showing a reflection of actual world conditions.
How can you compare an act of mercy and or prevention with the things Nazis did!? How is one selfish for making a pretty tough decision, the best choice isn't always the right one but it's necessary in certain cases. Lets say a woman was raped and became pregnant. After being forced to go through with the pregnancy she learns having the child will undoubtedly kill her. Should she die? What would you do in that situation?
You are wasting my time. I've spoken a thousand times to idiots who use the life of mother excuses to condone the vast vast majority of abortions having nothing to do with extreme cases. Democrats refuse to compromise and stop late term abortions for any reason. Both parties allow exceptions! WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THOSE RARE CASES but people like you CONSTANTLY WASTE OUR TIME USING THEM FOR EXCUSING THE INHUMANITY.
There are long waiting lists for new born Babies. Spew your lies somewhere else!
I can't believe I'm actually debating people who say killing a Baby is better than hving them possibly end up in a foster home. INSANE!
Even if that were an excuse, are you God and do you know which Babies would have a hard life? Are you going to question women who want abortions to find out if the child would end up in foster care? YOUR EXCUSES ARE INSANE!
Killing is an act of mercy? YOU TOTAL FOOL! You would fit right in with the terrorist mentality where the ends justify the means.
How are you possibly this hostile and you're typing?
I personally know orphans who ended up in foster homes where the foster mother just used them for income. I also know that the majority of orphans would rather not have been born than to be born into that environment. I don't know about statistics but i know experience. That's why you fall short of the situation by using stats to confirm actuality. I live among the down trotted hell I'm a statistic not in the sense of being an orphan but being born to parents who shouldn't have had me. You call me inhumane but you support long suffering over a quick death. Apparently there are those who will abuse this right as we see happening presently. Taking that into consideration, are we not an advanced enough populous that we can't come up with a bill that satisfies both sides... oh wait there is one isn't there. Because rational thinking people understand that to totally take away this right would be holy barbarism.
Gee, why have you not killed yourself if your long suffering existence is so hard? Amazing how you can even debte with all your depression from a such a hard life.
Nah, you won't kill yourself because life is better than death. You support kiling others.
I would have but when you grow up brainwashed by christians telling you this is what god planned for you and i should accept my fate well..
... oh the catch is you suffer long enough -believe and when you die you will have a mansion in the sky and blah blah blah... oh but wait there's more you can't kill yourself.
So i bit the bullet until I was fed with my home situation. So I turned to the streets like any other seedling from a dysfunctional family. Was shot up at 17 in and out of jail until 22 23 when experience wised me up. Made a change for the better and had a child myself which is in a much better situation than i was. I see both my parents my father more so yet we are estranged, mainly because i don't understand how someone can bring a life into this world without being prepared. So all your smart remarks aside this is the type of life the majority of orphans experience or way worse. Yea i turned it around because i made it to an age where i could make that decision.
What about the ones that ALMOST did?
To say life is better than death is ignorant. Woud you say that to a child slave whose sole purpose of being born was to be sold for that one purpose. We so often look from the outside we tend to neglect the actually horrors going on inside. Are you an orphan? Are you a child of extreme poverty? Do you know what it feels like to be on the streets hungry and cold as child? No! Don't feel bad if you can't relate, those aborted fetuses you're so worried about can't either.
If you don't believe me i'm on FB as Mykebee34 also. Not ashamed of my path. That doesn't mean I should of had to travel it though.
Blah blah blah blah..... now lets kill all minorities because most of them will end up on welfare or in foster homes, right? Under your sick logic we should kill people who most likely will have harder lives. You are one lost soul!
I'm sorry for your bad childhood. You are dong what so many on the Left do. Rather than address the core problem and figure out ways to stop childhood abuse, your answer and those on the Left answers are to kill the child before he might be abused. Killing is the worst abuse. You've taken away a person's future all on conjecture that the child might be unhappy, or poor, or abused.
Blah blah blah blah..... now lets kill all minorities because most of them will end up on welfare or in foster homes, right? Under your sick logic we should kill people who most likely will have harder lives. You are one lost soul!
1 Were adults not at one time kids themselves? Does one's childhood not affect the way one develops a sense of morality? There's more of a likely chance a child born into poverty will grow up to be an offending adult. More offending adults more crime. Oh i apologize god gives you and the other fanatics your morals. This cycle is evident, you can see the effects; gang violence -urban warfare and the lack of educational resources. The majority being those who reside in overpopulated impoverished neighborhoods. You know what is available in abundance though, drugs, churches and liquor stores.
2 Killing people!? You make it seem as if we're tearing the crying baby from the womb and stabbing it to death.
Question? (i would like it if you answered honestly) Do you use any form of contraceptives? If so and i know I'm reaching on the basis of a technicality and using evidence in which i personally do not believe in. Saying that, I do feel it's an appropriate inquiry. If you are honest and answered yes, then are you not, by biblical standards also an abortionist?
Minorities aren't the majority of welfare recipients.
WASHINGTON -- Gene Alday, a Republican member of the Mississippi state legislature, apologized last week for telling a reporter that all the African-Americans in his hometown of Walls, Mississippi, are unemployed and on food stamps.
"I come from a town where all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I call 'welfare crazy checks,'" Alday said to a reporter for The Clarion-Ledger, a Mississippi newspaper, earlier this month. "They don't work."
Nationally, most of the people who receive benefits from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program are white. According to 2013 data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which administers the program, 40.2 percent of SNAP recipients are white, 25.7 percent are black, 10.3 percent are Hispanic, 2.1 percent are Asian and 1.2 percent are Native American.
I'm sorry for your bad childhood. You are dong what so many on the Left do. Rather than address the core problem and figure out ways to stop childhood abuse, your answer and those on the Left answers are to kill the child before he might be abused. Killing is the worst abuse. You've taken away a person's future all on conjecture that the child might be unhappy, or poor, or abused.
GET REAL!
I appreciate the sympathy(honestly, although it comes off as a feigned concern).
Have I not done my part as a responsible adult by waiting until i was able to care for a child to procreate? Mind you, I've been sexually active since a teen. Yet only have been involved in 2 abortions and 1 miscarry - 1 abortion my own 1 a then close friend of mine's- 1 miscarry my own. Unless we go along with the biblical definition, well, then i guess I'd be responsible for deaths of millions no billions of potential innocent lives. Oh and speaking of miscarriages or even barren women for that matter. Would you care to explain either? Spare me if your answer includes 'the will' of god. Future, is subjective as i have stated with the child slave example, which you so eagerly replied to... oh yeah I'm still waiting on that. You can't take away something no one knew of to begin with. Do you remember your gestation period?
You need to get real this is as real as life can be. Why? Because it happens you can't change actuality we can only adapt to it.
Why do you come here? You won't accept anything anyone says, and you seem to think that everyone won't accept what you say.
You sit in a state of perceived omniscience, refusing to accept the possibility that you are wrong, whilst accusing everyone else of just that. So why are you here?
So, you concede then? Yes? Care to respond? How is this the same thing you always hear? If you always hear this same explanation whats your perspective, how do you argue against these facts?
First of all, at least in my opinion both political parties favor a welfare system.
1 Quality employment sucks
2 Middle class is deteriorating
3 Unfair wages and taxing
Since corporations outsource to avoid paying higher taxes they remove any chance for quality american jobs.
With the majority of consumers being poor, hows else do you expect companies to make a profit?
This is how, legal money laundering.
1 Country is `in debt.
2 The 1% has more money than the 98% combined, yet we dont have the physical gold to back this. Meaning if every Billionaire in America were to attempt to exchange their wealth for gold they wouldn't be able to.
3 We print money with no value. Therefore everything is credit or invested.
4 Dollars that fund welfare are returned to the same pockets of those funding through merchandise bought by the poor. Take away the buying power of the poor and you lose customers as well as profits.
NO, since all that is written about Jesus, or written that is quoted as what he said is by word of mouth that was passed down sixty years or more years and penned some fifteen or sixteen hundred years. Word of mouth, hearsay, is fundamentally unreliable and flawed, usually contrived and embellished over time.
The most important scientific fact that is also overlooked is that when the human brain remembers a past event, it is actually remembering the last time that it remembered it, not the actual event itself. Therefore, when someone says "as far as I can remember, they are making an actual true statement, for one can only remember about anything that they can recall that they remembered. And time takes its toll, so we add, subtract, invent, fill in the blanks as the remembered story or event passes from one generation to another.
america would be great if we turn to god... through jesus cause he is our shepard... and for the non believers.. mercy on your souls i pray... just as i pray for mercy on my souls cause the wages of sin is death...
The only problem you have is that in Revelation, Jesus is shown to have a white head, and His face just happens to be part of His head and it's all white, boy. You are trying to change Him into a darkie nigga who hates whitely like you and yo momma Malcom X.
1) America never turned away from Jesus. On balance the USA has citizens more aligned with understanding the Golden Rule than any other nation on earth. The only people with the pessimistic we're doomed by sinners view are those with such narrow views on religion they already expect the whole dang world to fail anyway.
2) if you believe natural disasters are punishment from God then realize God is a petty spiteful destroyer who hurts believers along with non believers and may on any whim send you to hell whether or not you deserve it.
3) Why aren't the cities and places most important to religion and full of the most believers then the safest and most disaster free places on earth?
Well, yeah, sure...I suppose it would probably help our country on some levels if we all truly took the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth to heart. And practiced what he preached.
Now then: I am a staunch Atheist, as most of you know full well by now (LOL)---But please Don't ever get me wrong regarding my opinion of ol' JC.
Jesus had some fine teachings. In fact I consider him to be one of the finest moral philosophers who ever lived. Among that pantheon of great teachers like Siddartha Gautama; Mohatma Ghandi; and Martin Luther King, Jr.
And yeah, socially we all would probably get along much better if we follow Jesus' teachings. There might be less violence and more philanthropy. Of course there would always be the criminal element who are never going to follow his teachings. And that includes the white collar criminals: the wealthy who exploit the poor.
But the government won't change. And this is where a great deal of our problems come from. Economically-speaking as well. See, JC would almost certainly want to institute a socialist form of governing...maybe even communism. And we have seen form history that this sort of government simply does not work. Not on a macro level, as it would need to be for an entire Nation. The largest type of communist that true Marxian Communism could ever work would perhaps be on town, or small city level. I highly doubt it could work all the way up to, say, a state level.
Now as I close I have to make sure and clarify that my endorsement of Jesus as a great teacher and my opinion that following his teachings might improve the social conditions in my country in NO WAY is an endorsement to return to Religion!! Or make Religion more powerful. (It already was WAY too much say!)
Nor do I think the the Constitutionally-mandated separation of Church and State should EVER be repealed.
Because the vast vast majority of Religious folks don't adhere to JC's teachings much ore than us Agnostics or Atheists. So-called Christians are some of the nastiest and rudest and misanthropic folks I know. We have a couple of good examples right here on CD
! For the most part, organized Christian Churches--both Protestant and Catholic--have sorely bastardized the teachings of Jesus, as they chose instead to incorporate their own power-mongering and control-happy agendas.
Indeed, organized religion in my country has a lot of similarities with Congress. IN that they both began as good ideas but have been corrupted by power. And have also forgotten why they were invented in the first place.
I agree with much of what you said. If we "practiced what HE preached" (allegedly), we would all be better off. However, I think Muslims and even Jews would find it hard to "go along". Therein lies the problem. We would have to practice this without religion, or the fighting would never end .... as has been proven for centuries.
I agree with Jesus starting a "socialist type" of government, it's what he DID! Linking communism to socialism, though, is where we differ. The communists USED socialism as a tool to make their subjects BELIEVE that everything was "the peoples". The peoples Army, the peoples library, the peoples government ... nothing farther from the truth! Democratic socialism would be a different thing altogether, as has been shown by several European countries.
If Americans (some) would finally realize, as John Adams said: " The government of the United States is NOT, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." As well as, in the words of the "Father of the Constitution", James Madison: " The purpose of the separation of church and state is to keep, forever from these shores, the ceaseless strife that has soaked the sands of Europe in blood for centuries." ALL PLAIN language by the founding fathers. We would have far less trouble in government! I don't blame the government THEY set up for us, I blame those who are IN government constantly trying to re-interpret the Constitution to fit their agenda. Or, if you will, praising Jesus while they act any way BUT "HIS way"!
To me, the problem isn't the government, it's the greed that "lobbying" has generated. The lobbying for MONEY, as well as the lobbying for their sorry souls! No other form of government, on paper, works as well. When it goes bad is when Of the people, BY the people and FOR the people is changed to "CERTAIN" people .... with the money to control it! Yep. A good idea, corrupted. Lobbying and Gerrymandering MUST be stopped.
I think I agree that the two biggest problems--biggest hindrances--to our current government working effectively are the over-influence of Lobbyists (K Street) and also Gerrymandering.
We have to get the $$ influence from outsiders away from the Capitol. We cannot tolerate the fact that it is not uncommon for congressmen and Senators to leave office far richer than they were when they entered.
Gerrymandering is especially pernicious. As it denigrates the efficacy of the very soul of the Democratic system: Voting! The GOP especially has been very ruthless--and effective!--in re-drawing some of our nation's district lines in a way to oft-times render votes against them to be meaningless. As well as increasing the importance of pro votes.
And what the hell is up with the "super PAC/s?" I cannot for the life of me understand how those can be allowed. And how anybody would say the framers of the Constitution would have not been totally against them. No way would they have allowed such a bastardization of the voting system!
Jesus did not start a socialist type of government. His government is a Kingdom, and He is the King. His word is the law. The nations of the world will be subdued under Him. In His Kingdom, Islam is not allowed. Islam seeks to steal His Kingdom. He will rule the world from Mt. Zion, and all Jews at that time will know He is their Messiah who their religious rulers murdered over 2000 years ago.
He will execute vengeance against His enemies. His Kingdom is an everlasting Kingdom.
You are twisted. You are not even king of yourself. Sin rules over you, and you are paying for it. You can be relieved of the debt you owe God, but you probably will not repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. You probably are going to pay forever in Hell for being a sinner. There is no way out without the Savior you are rejecting.
There is no logic, since prayer is usually asking some deity for something, or to alleviate something, that was responsible for the condition in the first place. Why would a compassionate deity impose such conditions and then require homage to it to obtain relief from what it caused to occur in the first place. No logic and not one thread of divine intervention exist to prove that some prayer "fixed" anything.
Jesus fixed my life. I know God answers prayer. Prayer does not fix things, God does when he deems it best. Sometimes we need to learn lessons so He lets us have troubles. His desire is always peace toward you, but your desire may be freedom away from His presence and He will hold Himself back from you to honor your wishes. He is still being good to you giving you things and abilities to enjoy. God loves you.
And what do children suffering from disease and illness need to learn from your impotent god?
But, yeah, sure....it is so very kind of him to let them have their troubles. I'm sure the kids are thankful to your god.
And one more question, while I am at it. Let me ask you: you say Jesus fixed you life? Why you and not the dying children? Also, please tell me how we can tell that it was Jesus who "fixed" you, and not just your own mind learning to amend it formerly deleterious habits and thought. The act of doing this on our own is called Cognitive Behavior Therapy. Millions of people do use this to better themselves.
So how again do you know you did not just "wise up?" Or mature? On your own. What exactly about your getting "fixed" demands that it was done by divine intervention?
I will eagerly await your answer. ANYTHING that tells how how all of it cannot simply be in your head.
Why don't you go outside and curse God and bang your head on the cement to see how big of a headache you can get? That's really all you are doing here with your foolish beliefs and your big mouth fake education. You might as well just pound your head into dust as do what you are doing here...because dying is really all you are doing, and trying to pull others down with you.
Why are you gloating over children suffering? God is being good to you, there is no good reason why you should not be suffering, and you are using the suffering of children like an ace you keep hidden up your sleeve thinking you can cheat God out of being good. God is good and you can't cheat Him out of it. All you are doing is showing that you are evil, turned against God even though He is being good to you......much better than you deserve. What makes you think that you deserve better than the poor child who suffers the most in this world? We all deserve the same as that poor child, and only God's goodness allows us to be suffering less if we are suffering less.
Are you talking to me, boy? Why are you talking to me, son? God is being good to you and you are trying to say He is evil. I think you need some bruises on your behind, boy. Haven't you had enough bruises? How many teeth are still in your mouth...I mean original ones placed there by God?
You lost all of my respect after you claimed to be educated, close to a doctoral degree, but you still believe that bacteria come to life from non-living things when you set a food source on a table in your room. How can anybody who is educated believe that? I think you are a fraud, even in you are educated....so desperate to believe in evolution that you insist abiogenisis is occurring constantly and you can see it happen today. That's what is wrong with atheism, it's all make believe, and I don't care how educated you are...when you speak of your beliefs, you prove you are a fool.
I still think you are a complete fraud after many of the things you said fell so far short of what they should have been if you passed Bio 101 with more than a C. I passed it with an A, I always get easy A's in any of the sciences. That's how I know your material is lacking and the way you presented it as if it proves you know your stuff, I have to conclude that you are a fraud.
I could go back over your stuff and insert the things you would have to know in order to get a B or better on the tests, but I won't do that as I don't want to embarrass you too much. I'll let you continue to blow smoke telling everybody how educated you are, as if that makes your belief in everyday biogenesis valid. I've always thought you were just a bag of hot air easy to pop, but I gave you the benefit of a doubt. Now I think you are a fraud, copy and pasting junk from the internet.....stuff you really don't know much about. Because you pretty much lost my respect (no matter how belligerent or dumb anybody may be, I still have some respect for them as they are in the same boat as my body under the curse of sin and death), I see no reason to read your posts as your verbiage is often foul, stinking of the garbage that is in your heart, the stench of the junk you try to smear on everybody around you the same way you smear it on your cheap whores like a hungry hot dog.
Again...you show your complete inabilitty to read and understand my posts that deal with hard science.
. You don't read my posts. You twist my words. You lie.
Regarding bacteria. I explained it all.. I added links. Which you never read. I never said bacteria came to life from non-living things. I even used the "food left out" analogy for you. Which you turned around in this last post. And why are you just now getting around to asking me this after I posted all that info three weeks ago? LOL. I am guessing you got drunk and read some of your past swill posts and decided to attack me on something you cannot understand. Either that or you sincerely have a clinical cognitive disorder.
So....sigh.....AGAIN...a quick lesson in bacteriology. This is a paste from some notes on my online syllabus from a Bio 101 intro course I give to undergrads..........................
......"Bacteria are single celled organisms, thus they won't just materialize from nowhere, if a room is sterile, then no bacteria will be present, unless transported.
So, we can transfer bacteria, other animals, even dust. But they already exist, and then reproduce asexually when in a suitable environment.
Bacteria were among the first life forms to appear on Earth, and are present in most of its habitats. Bacteria inhabit soil, water, acidic hot springs, radioactive waste. And the deep portions of Earth's crust. Bacteria also live in symbiotic and parasitic relationships with plants and animals. They are also known to have flourished in manned spacecraft.
There are typically 40 million bacterial cells in a gram of soil and a million bacterial cells in a millilitre of fresh water.
You have no idea how prevalent and common Bacteria are!! They're everywhere. Bacteria are the huddled masses of the microbial world, performing tasks that include everything from causing disease to fixing nitrogen in the soil.
And.....Now, for the first time, a team of researchers from the University of Georgia has made a direct estimate of the total number of bacteria on Earth and the number makes the globe's human population look downright puny!
The study estimates the number to be five million trillion trillion that's a five with 30 zeroes after it!!!
Look at it this way. If each bacterium were a penny, the stack would reach a trillion light years. These almost incomprehensible numbers give only a sketch of the vast pervasiveness of bacteria in the natural world.
So....When people think of bacteria, they likely first consider the nasty ones that cause disease---but the bacteria inside all animals combined including humans makes up less than one percent of the total amount. By far the greatest numbers are in the subsurface, soil and oceans.
BTW....Us Scientists prefer to call bacteria "prokaryotes," a term that describes a single-cell organism without a nucleus. Prokaryotes are extraordinarily diverse and range from plant-like cells that produce molecular oxygen in the oceans to soilborne bacteria responsible for fertility.
We have found these cells 40 miles high in the atmosphere and beneath the ocean floor some seven miles deep.
Can you handle some Math, pervert??? OK.....There are approximately 5×1030 bacteria on Earth, forming a biomass which exceeds that of all plants and animals. Bacteria are vital in recycling nutrients, with many of the stages in nutrient cycles dependent on these organisms, such as the fixation of nitrogen from the atmosphere and putrefaction""
>>>>>Now then...you call me Boy? LOL. Saying I need some bruises on my "behind?" LOL. You sound like a faggot. A pederast. All makes sense. I would pay $20 for you to say that to me if we met face to face.
Here is what wold happen if you did: you would spend the night--or two--in the hospital. And I would spend it in Jail.
Try me. Where do you live? I will give you my exact address if you want. Let's meet. Show some balls. Everybody who reads this, look: Where do you live, Saint Pederast??
Or we could meet somewhere. Name it. You and I. Anytime. I have some dough. I will even travel up to, say 500 miles. One day. one meet. In a park somewhere. Man a man. Then.....I give you a crisp $100 bill and ask you to call me what you have here.
THIS IS AN HONEST AND DIRECT OFFER!!!!
Ya know..just to see what's what. Who's who. And see if your god will help you when we meet.
Seriously though...I think you were probably drunk when you wrote this hilarious post. As far as my education. my posts say it all. Everyone has been correct regarding science. Go over them. Re-read them again. ANY of you guys.
Ask me anything. I have proved over and over my Biology and science knowledge is superior around here. I have always explained and provided links and sources. All you guys do is act like trollish kids that drank too many Mt. Dews.
I have taught and taught here. Created Science Forums. Answered ALL question thrown at me. With sources and proof. But the thing is, most of you dipshit do not even read them. Like YOU...they stop reading my post as soon as they come to a part they disagree with. And then without checking facts, post their own comments that are mere opinion and denial and baseless accusations.
But...so what. As I say...and as you all have seen, I am spending far less time here than before. I simply have outgrown this Forum and have found it wanting on intellectual conversation. I also have much work to do on my Dissertation. I just joined two study groups here at the U. I doubt I will have time for more than a couple posts here during the next week or so.
Try not to miss me too much. My thinking is that after I am gone and maybe you guys put down your dicks--or, in Saint Nowhere's case, the dick of a 12 year old boy--and re-read my past posts and realize the smartest dude around has left you in the dust.
Adios vatos!
LOL & KMA!!
For those of you few who DO like to learn and discuss science, I will be glad to help. Here is a link to My U's science Dept. website... which I co-author for the Biology Dept....
I think that this argument is all very immature. But from both sides, to threaten to harm him over petty words is even more immature.
But then to call yourself the "smartest dude around" seems rather arrogant. But then again, that goes both ways. SlapShot, if you were really as intelligent as you say you are, you would be able to handle belligerence and not have to be belligerent aswell.
Intelligence=The ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.
Smart=Having or showing quick witted intelligence.
If you were as intelligent as you say you are there would be no need to be belligerent. You would have the knowledge and skills to outdo Saintnow, easily. If you were so intelligent you would be mature enough to not have to act belligerent in arguments. (Hence the reason I am not intelligent).
P.S I am a Spartans fan. GO SPARTANS!!! GO GREEN!!!
Also you wouldn't happen to live in annharbor (I think that's the name of the city) that is the head of UofM?
Satan seems to be running the show here on the 3rd Rock.
So why the Hell not get in on the Winning Side?
LOL
After all, it is every possible that the murderous yahweh never really tossed SATAN out of Heaven, but that SATAN left on his own volition, to come down here and run things and help us indulge our desires and sin as much as possible--rebel as much as possible--against the oppressive and petty yahweh.
SATAN seems to be winning the battle. As we can find evidence of his works daily here on Earth, we can PROVE he exists and wields power, yet the christians can NOT do the same insofar as proving their god exists. Much less that he can do ANYTHING here on Earth?
Where was he during the Holocaust? Where is he in Africa every day? When 3000 kids die? Why are the most religious countries also the poorest? And have the highest infant mortality?
All questions the christians cannot answer, but rather are questions where the obvious answer alludes to SATAN as being the Man in Charge!!
Satan doesnt have all the power..... Jesus Christ has all the power.... and Satan is just having a tantrum cuz he lost.... thats all it is... and it shows how much of a coward he really is.
Riddle me this: I will show you countless incidents, right now, in this world, where Satan is active. I can give a list of current wars and violence and evil. Let me know. I will give you hundreds. Thousands.
In turn, I ask you to give me ONE reason where there is proof of Jesus, or god at work. And don't say when people love one another. I will not accept that. As a biologist I know the emotion we call love is only a product of chemical reactions in our brains.
Also. people doing good works is not a sign of Jesus, since I know thousands of atheists who do good works. I myself to with my volunteer work. I also work to create vaccines to battle viruses.
So I will be waiting for you to explain to me how a glance at our modern world shows JC or god is running the show. ANd NOT Satan. Thanks!
I do not believe in the devil nor any known deity, my questions are strictly for my curiosity. First question, how did Satan become powerful enough to try and overthrow GOd, also was he not defeated? next question, if he was defeated why wasn't he killed? Last question if GOD is all powerful and all knowing why does he continue to go along with Satan's agenda?
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false and by the rulers as useful." Lucius Annaeus Senaca (Around the time of Jesus).
"God is a comedian playing to an audience to afraid to laugh." George Carlin? Nope, Voltaire (1778 - 1894)
"Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there IS one, He must approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson
"During 15 centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been the fruits? More or less, in ALL places, pride and indulgence in the clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity. In both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." James Madison
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
These educated and respected people are , apparently, to some of our detractors on this debate, residing in hell.
Oh, well, "Heaven for the weather, hell for the company." I'd hate to have to listen to Pat Robertson for eternity!
3000 kids die? So you die the same as they do...and why do you laugh as you speak of your suffering? Are you not evil? God is being good to you, and you are being evil to God.
I suppose to you that I seem evil...as you think all of us Atheists are who mock the idea of a personal and caring god who can intervene in suffering in this world.
But rest assured I am NOT laughing at all that suffering. Certainly not at the fact that thousands of kids die daily from disease and illness. Some of them (most?) probably pray to your god to ease their suffering. Or their family does.
Why does you god not help?
LOL. THIS is what Laugh at: the notion you have that he CAN help,but for some unfathomable reason, deems not to.
As a biologist, I in fact devote some of my time to working on cures foe these children. I am currently working with a close friend of mine, a Ph.D Biologist who's field of emphasis is Virology. He is thinking in fact of becoming a Virologist. I have been doing some lab tests for him. Scut work mostly, setting-up experiments and logging data. As my expertise in the field is nowhere near his.
But here's my point: at least I am making a concerted and honest attempt to engage in a practice that could very well ease some suffering. My friend is studying malaria pathology and vectors of transmission. This could yield results.
Unlike, for example, uselessly praying to a non-existent supernatural entity. Like your god. And I am considering doing some work with DWB (Doctors without Borders) and going to Africa next Spring for three months.
My Oncology department here at the University is currently working with some child cancer sufferers at Detroit's St. Jude's Hospital. We have some promising work underway, and have maybe found an enzyme that retards cellular metastasis. Which is basically how cancer works.
And you do, what exactly? Scorn me while you parrot Hebrew superstition?
Who's evil here?
This is our Departmental website. I work in the very lab in the pic. You might want to give it a look and then re-phrase your accusations about me. Thank you......
Why do you keep on trying to justify yourself if you are not evil?
Evil is that which is turned away from or against God, and there is no place for it in Creation except confinement in the fire which burns in passion against God's goodness.
God is being good to you and you are being evil against God. You promote yourself as a god for others to admire and emulate, and God will cast you down for being evil. God did not create you so He would have a big mouth to argue against. He is good, He is kind to you, and you are testing His patience. God loves you.
You are gloating over the suffering of others and using it as fuel for your argument against God. God is being good to you, and you are being evil against God. You do not deserve anything good any more than the people who suffer and you gloat over while you sit on your LapShot........ and there is no reason why you should not be suffering as much as anybody else.You are a coldhearted pervert, using the pains of others for your own gain to promote your own bigheaded hot air.
But rest assured I am NOT laughing at all that suffering. Certainly not at the fact that thousands of kids die daily from disease and illness. Some of them (most?) probably pray to your god to ease their suffering. Or their family does.
Why does you god not help?
LOL.
What are you laughing at, boy? How do you find humor in the fact that people are suffering? What makes you better than them that you should not be suffering as much or more than anybody else? you really think you are a hot shot, don't you? I think you are a bag of hot air easy to pop.
"THIS is what Laugh at: the notion you have that he CAN help,but for some unfathomable reason, deems not to."
He literally explained it right after you stopped quoting him. Why didn't you quote everything like you want me to do in your stupid debates. Good job hypocrite.
What are you crying about now? I want to ask you a personal question...why do you look like a fat weeble with a green hat? Do you wobble and not fall down and keep your hat on all the time?
I say you look like a weeble and I consistently say you are a fool. If you have a problem with that, it's because you are not right with God and you look like a fat weeble with a green beanie cap....and God loves you no matter what you say about me.
So what are you crying about? Did your weeble wobble too much so your greeny beany fell off? Don't cry, just dust if off and put it back on your head...or is your head painted green?
How can I talk to a fat little weeble who thinks he can wobble as long as he lives outside of Hell? How am I supposed to ignore a Christmas tree green cap on a fat red body enough to take you seriously?
