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If God doesn't exist, why are we composed of Adams at the subatomic level?
Shut up Bront
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If string-based instruments aren't the most musically sophisticated why is the universe made of quantum strings? Also "subatomic" means smaller than atoms, so what you are trying to say is at the atomic (adamic?) level. Also if we are made of adams would that not mean that MAN is fundamental rather than God? Side: Shut up Bront
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The infinite regress must stop at some point, so our options are does it take a something to create something, seeing nothing can only create nothing. And if only something can create something, and we are conscious, the only thing that can create consciousness is an uncreated consciousness beyond our space and time who created our space and time. Side: 👀
No matter what stories they come up with, atheists cannot get around the law of causality. Nothing happens, nothing can exist unless someone causes it to happen or exist. Hello G: Yet, you'd have us believe that your "someone" just popped outta nowhere... Who/what caused him to happen? If something can't come from nothing, then something CAN'T come from nothing... Dude! excon Side: Shut up Bront
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You say that something cannot come from nothing. Is this what you believe? If so, then you have to believe in a Creator. Because the uninverse could not have created itself. Something or someone caused it to exist. Yet you can't even begin to explain how the creator was created. What basis is there for God to exist? You don't know shit about causality, you use it as an excuse to hold on to your preconceived belief system without ever actually thinking about it. No one fucking knows what created the universe, stop pretending you do. Belief in and of itself shows that you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to the unknown. Side: Shut up Bront
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Did the universe create itself? Everything we understand about physics says it's impossible. Do you disagree? Hello again, G: I thought we covered that.. Science does NOT believe that the Universe created itself out of NOTHING.. It just DOESN'T.. If you're well educated in science matters, as you purport you are, you wouldn't keep on spreading this MYTH.. To REPEAT: A singularity is NOT nothing.. It's SOMETHING.. It's a THING.. Do you get this, or not? excon Side: Shut up Bront
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If you're well educated in science matters, as you purport you are, you wouldn't keep on spreading this MYTH.. A plausable philosophical theory isn't a myth. It's a plausable theory. To REPEAT: A singularity is NOT nothing.. It's SOMETHING.. It's a THING.. Do you get this, or not? Does it take a conscious something to create life , consciousness,love, music, etc, or can an unconscious object with no description do that? Secondly, a consciousness isn't physical. Your singularity is. So where did the first "thing" come from? Side: 👀
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God was not created. He has always existed. He has no beginning and no end. So things don't need cause and effect in order to exist because things can always exist for no reason. If so why can't there be other Gods? They don't need a reason to exist, therefore they exist. Side: Shut up Bront
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My argument aplies to the PHYSICAL universe. God is not physical. He has always existed. And you still haven't addressed the problem of the universe not being able to create itself. It either created itself or it was created by a non physical being. The first is impossible. Therefore the second must be true. You cannot have a creation without a Creator. Side: 👀
And you still haven't addressed the problem of the universe not being able to create itself. Hello again, G: I don't disagree with you.. Something can't come from nothing.. However, it's not the position of science that it does.. The Universe came from a singularity.. That's "something".. excon Side: Shut up Bront
Well then. Where do you think the singularity came from? This is the problem with atheism. The universe requires a cause for existing. Without an eternal first cause you are left with an infinite regression of causes. Something that is impossible. The universe requires a Creator. Science, as well as logic, demand it. And that Creator must be eternal, with no beginning. Side: 👀
Where do you think the singularity came from? This is the problem with atheism. The universe requires a cause for existing. Hello again, G: I don't disagree again.. Fact is, we don't KNOW where the singularity came from or why it banged.. But, we KNOW it was THERE, and we know it BANGED. We're working on WHERE it came from and WHY. When we figure it out, you'll be the first to know.. I'd like to tell you that we have it all figured out.. But, we don't. We're not even close.. Truth is, we're only at the dawn of discovery.. So much is about to be revealed to us.. What an exciting time to be alive?? Look.. Maybe the singularity is God.. excon Side: Shut up Bront
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I just can't understand why some people defend a materialistic explanation for the universe. It's like they are personally offended by the very idea there may be a God. Why is that? How do you know the immaterial cause was a sentient and omnipotent being who happens to align with a certain religions description? It could literally just as likely be anything else. It could be a mere metaphysical force or maybe some other version of a god. Side: 👀
Do you know what an infinite regression is? This caused that, which was caused by this, which was caused by that...etc. all the back into infinity. It's a scientific impossibility. Causality is what all of modern science is based on. Without it the scientific method could not exist. Everything that has happened was caused to happen. Every scrap of scientific knowledge confirms this. That means that there must be a singular cause that was not itself caused. What would you call that? Most people would call it God. Side: Shut up Bront
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I learned my science in school. In fact, I probably know more about it than most people and would be willing to debate anyone on it. Hello again, G: I'm happy for you.. However, IF you're well educated in science matters, I don't understand WHY you choose the religious version of creation instead of the scientific one.. They ARE directly opposed to each other, no? excon Side: 👀
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Are you aware of the fact that the scientific method is the result of people who believed in a Creator? They believed that the universe was created and that it was ordered to the point that repeatable observations and experiments would lead to an understanding of existence. Now, the scientific method cannot be used for past events. We cannot observe them, nor can we do experiments on them. So science is incapable of determining how or why the universe exists. Christians are not anti science. We are anti bad science. Show me the actual scientific evidence, obtained through the scientific method, and we'll discuss it. Otherwise it's simply a story that people believe without evidence. Side: Shut up Bront
Are you aware of the fact that the scientific method is the result of people who believed in a Creator? Hello again, G: No, and so what??? Are you saying that because they WERE believers BEFORE they did the science, that they IGNORED the work they did in favor of their BELIEF?? Dude! No matter WHAT religious BELIEFS a scientist has, he BELIEVES the science.. If he DOESN'T, he's NOT a scientist.. He's a preacher.. excon Side: 👀
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Are you aware of the fact that the scientific method is the result of people who believed in a Creator? In large part yes but not exclusively. the scientific method cannot be used for past events. We cannot observe them, nor can we do experiments on them. We can learn enough using science to form a valid theory of the past but we cannot ultimately confirm those theories using direct observation. Christians are not anti science. We are anti bad science. Christians are guilty of plenty of bad science, and so are atheists. Show me the actual scientific evidence, obtained through the scientific method, and we'll discuss it. Evidence of what? I am not just a career scientist who gets payed to use science in the laboratory and then goes back to being a normal person. I am a scientific thinker in general, I literally don't believe in anything. Side: 👀
Regardless, the universe requires a cause. It could not have created itself. You say it was caused by a singularity. What caused the singularity to exist? What caused whatever caused the singularity...etc. There had to be a singular cause that caused the universe to exist. This cause, whatever it was, would have to be eternal as well as intelligent, since it requires an act of will in order to make something happen. Side: Shut up Bront
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How can the Bible contradict science on the origin of the universe when science doesn't even know how or why it exists? Hello again, G: To repeat.. You're correct.. Science doesn't know WHY or HOW it exists.. However, as I've told you, time and time again, we don't HAVE to know WHY or HOW is exists, to know that it DOES indeed exist.. We don't HAVE to know WHY the singularity banged in order to know that it surely DID bang.. Someday, we'll know WHY, and HOW. That day is NOT today.. STILL, after all that, you maintain that the Universe just appeared out of nowhere and science has no idea why.. Dude.. That's NOT science.. It's CHURCH.. excon Side: 👀
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Nahhh... Said singularity caused water from nothing too. But, that doesn't mean it's water.. True. What we would really need to ask ourselves is: If a complex world with minds, music, love, etc exists, do we believe the singularity of which these things came from, possesses those qualities and abilities as well Side: 👀
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If said singularity caused consciousness from nothing, it itself must be conscious. How can there be nothing if you've just admitted there was a singularity you stupid cunt? Which is it? Nothing or a singularity? Jesus Christ Bronto. Why are you so fucking stupid? Why? Side: Shut up Bront
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Jesus Christ Bronto. Why are you so fucking stupid? Why? Well, you do believe in Satan, which would be a spiritual being of which you believe created everything, and so much so that you sacrifice baby goatlings to him. Just sayin... http://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/ 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Side: 👀
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