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 If Homosexuality was in nature as activists suggest, all species would have Homosexuals. (137)

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If Homosexuality was in nature as activists suggest, all species would have Homosexuals.

For all the activists who want to twist the facts to make Homosexuaity normal and natural, tell us all why tens of thousands of species of animals and birds have no homosexuals? Pro Gay activists tell us under biased studies that there are certain species such as Geese who have homosexuals in their ranks. They tell us that two male geese paired up together makes them Gay. They never show us any proof that these geese do not mate with other geese during mating season. They would have to live non stop around the clock with these Geese to proves so.

But this is what we have from Liberal activists. They live their lives trying to pass their agendas by twisting facts such as with the Global warming joke. Once their lies are shown, they change their name to climate change. This way it covers any weather condition whether it be extreme cold or extreme warm. How nice for them.

I'm waiting for your lame excuses why not all animal species have some homosexuals amongst their ranks.

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10 points

If scales were natural, then all species would have scales.

If feathers were natural, then all species would have feathers.

If flight was natural, then all species would fly.

If gills were natural, then all species could breath underwater.

If monogamy was natural, then all species would be monogamous.

This is probably your silliest argument yet.

FromWithin(8240) Disputed
1 point

What a shock, no answer. If man has a brain..... use it!

Biology teaches us what is natural and normal, while political correct activist deny it. The very thought of people calling what men do to each other as being natural and normal defies intellect. It is abnormal!!!!!!!!!! Our bodies are designed for sex between a man and woman. You make yourself so juvenile to deny the simple truth.

Like I said, Liberals will twist any issue to make it ok whether it be late term abortions, gun control, environmental alarmists, homosexuality, you name it, they are radicle control fanatics.

GenericName(3430) Disputed Banned
4 points

That was an answer: I pointed out how flawed your logic is.

Biologists have shown us that homosexuality exists in nature. You and your political correctness deny it.

"The very thought of people calling what men do to each other as being natural and normal defies intellect. It is abnormal!!!!!!!!!"

Statistically yes, it is abnormal, but that does not make it UNNATURAL. You are conflating the two words despite the fact that they mean something else entirely.

" Our bodies are designed for sex between a man and woman. You make yourself so juvenile to deny the simple truth."

Not as "juvenile" as when you deny the scientific evidence that homosexuality exists in nature and thus is natural.

"Like I said, Liberals will twist any issue to make it ok"

You must REALLY hate biologists.

"whether it be late term abortions"

Overwhelming majority of liberals oppose.

"gun control"

I am against.

"environmental alarmists"

We should all be alarmed at the damage we are doing to this planet, whether you believe in climate change or not.

" homosexuality"

The very field of Biology stands against you.

" they are radicle control fanatics."

You are the one who wants to use big government to force your opinions onto homosexuals and limit their freedoms. I want the government to back off, give them their Constitutional and civil rights, and let them do what they want with whatever consenting adult they want.

ghostheadX(1104) Disputed
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1. GenericName is absolutely right logically, as far as I can see.

2. FromWithin, you are a very biased conservative. In fact, you appear to me to be soooo biased that the conservative ideal is how you are in fact basing your logic. That is, as opposed to basing your logic on well, logic. I could say the same thing about getting too liberal and I'm a pretty liberal person as well.

There's a point on either end where it becomes ridiculous to the extent of retardedness, even when the only logical thing one of the two sides is saying about the other's extreme biased argument is that they're retarded.

Just saying this regardless of which bias you have, there has to be an extent of rationality or you are no longer a rational being. Instead you are now an angry South Park style cartoon character.

There is no point in denying the truth. You will either accept it, change it, deny it, or ignore it. But deny is the wrong option out of those four.

You are falling into the abyss of retardedness and illogicality. And you are falling very hard.

Here's your logical flaws ready?

Biology teaches us what is natural and normal, while political correct activist deny it.

They don't deny it. That's an exaggeration. They don't deny that biology teaches us what is natural and normal. They aren't saying homosexuality is normal, just that it is natural. And they are right, just ask a biologist. Illnesses, like depression and cancer are natural, but they aren't normal. If you ask the true/false question for homosexuality of: "Being a homosexual is natural but not normal", a biologist will agree with everything about that statement without exception. I'm not a biologist, but just ask one and you'll see.

It is abnormal!!!!!!

Less normal is not necessarily worse.

Our bodies are designed for sex between a man and woman.

I agree. Now just say you think homosexuality is a mental illness and I'll say that not everyone who is homosexual has a mental illness and I'll say that being mentally ill isn't a bad thing. Our bodies are designed to have sex between a man and a woman so we can have babies. What of it? Nothing is wrong with man on man or woman on woman.

You make yourself so juvenile to deny the simple truth.

No he isn't.

Like I said, Liberals will twist any issue to make it ok whether it be late term abortions, gun control, environmental alarmists, homosexuality, you name it, they are radical control fanatics.

You misspelled "radical" but I fixed that for you when quoting you. By the way, you're the one who is twisting the argument in logic when you referred to natural as normal and implied that abnormal is necessarily bad. Steve Jobs, Barack Obama, and the large majority of people who hold Guinness World Records aren't normal, depending on how you consider normal. What of abnormal makes something/someone bad and which type of abnormal? And how then does that apply to homosexuals?

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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Please address why you think gills, feathers, wings, etc. aren't natural when clearly they are.

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Biology teaches us what is natural and normal

…and biology also teaches us that homosexual behavior is active among many species all across nature.

The very thought of people calling what men do to each other as being natural and normal defies intellect. It is abnormal!!!!!!!!!!

WHY? If humans only did things that they were 'designed' to do nothing would happen. We wouldn't wear clothes, or high five, and so on and so on.

And your exact same argument can be made for anyone who engages in anal sex, even men and women. Should they not be allowed to marry? Our bodies aren't 'designed' for bondage. Should we ban that? What about couples that are infertile? If bodies are designed so that men and women can have children together, why are you letting them get married?

The point that he was making that you did NOT respond to is that something doesn't have to exist among every single species for it to be "natural."

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First, GN made a perfectly valid point.

Second, even if you could prove that it wasn't natural (though people have already shown you that nature is replete with homosexual behavior), who cares? Should the government be used to enforce what's normal/natural? Are you perfectly normal in every way?

MKIced(2510) Disputed
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If sex is only supposed to be between man and woman, then why is there a male G spot in the prostate? The only way to properly access the prostate as a sexual organ like this is through the anus. Yeah... so unnatural...

And from experience, usually the ones who are so vehemently against the gay community, like yourself, are closeted homosexuals. So the more you scream and rant saying gays aren't natural, the more I see you as a secret gay who's too afraid to admit it. :)

MKIced(2510) Disputed
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Our bodies are designed for sex between a man and woman

Good point. So if sex is only normal to produce offspring, then what is your stance on barren women and sterile men?

What about geriatric couples who can no longer have children?

What about blowjobs? I mean, the mouth wasn't designed to give sexual pleasure, so surely that's wrong.

I suppose with your logic, we should never use any body part for any reason other than what it was designed for. Your teeth were designed for biting and chewing food, so you can't use them to untie a knot or anything. Your hair was designed to keep you warm, so I guess shaving and styling hair is abnormal too. I'm guessing you've never cut your hair then, right? This logic is fun!

flewk(1192) Clarified Banned
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The very thought of people calling what men do to each other as being natural and normal defies intellect. It is abnormal!!!!!!!!!!

I guess that means you are fine with lesbians.

I have noticed a commonality with male anti-gay zealots. They only talk about gay sex between males.

Can't give up that #1 spot.

1 point

Exactly. There are certain things that other species wont have.

Do all species have the ability to talk?

How can we prove that other species are homosexual or not homosexual?

Theres no proof supporting this argument or contradicting it.

5 points

Whether all species have homosexuals or not is irrelevant, the fact is many do, therefore it is not unnatural.

Why do you care either way? It doesn't affect you what consenting adults are doing in a private room. It's morons like you that spend more time thinking about gay sex than we do ourselves.

FromWithin(8240) Disputed
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LOL, everything that goes contrary to Political correct mind control is "IRRELEVANT". It's not irrelevant when the facts destroy your argument. If Homosexuality were natural IT WOULD BE IN ALL SPECIES! Spew your left wing rhetoric to the low end voters who elect radical Liberals. It's people like you who are the morons who support a party that wants to take our guns and anything else they deem not good for us.

I care because of this radical Liberal group who want to force us ALL to bow to their will! How dare a few morons want to tell everyone that Homosexuality is natural and force states to change their marriage laws to accept it. WHAT ARROGANCE!

You do realize that these arrogant Liberals have sued Churches to hire Gay Sunday school teachers and to force their beliefs on another's faith.YOU ARROGANT FOOLS! This is why we care!

GenericName(3430) Disputed Banned
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"LOL, everything that goes contrary to Political correct mind control is "IRRELEVANT". It's not irrelevant when the facts destroy your argument. If Homosexuality were natural IT WOULD BE IN ALL SPECIES! "

So according to your argument, monogamy isn't natural, and neither is heterosexuality, or single celled organisms, or ANYTHING."

"Spew your left wing rhetoric to the low end voters who elect radical Liberals. "

I didn't know Biologists were low end voters.

" It's people like you who are the morons who support a party that wants to take our guns and anything else they deem not good for us."

He is further to the right than you, ideologically. He is a Fascist.

" How dare a few morons want to tell everyone that Homosexuality is natural and force states to change their marriage laws to accept it. "

No, arrogance is you telling people who they can and can not marry and getting the government to force your opinions onto others.

"You do realize that these arrogant Liberals have sued Churches to hire Gay Sunday school teachers and to force their beliefs on another's faith.YOU ARROGANT FOOLS! This is why we care!"

That is completely irrelevant to the topic of same-sex marriage. Those lawsuits have failed, and will continue to fail. At least TRY to stay on topic.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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It's not irrelevant when the facts destroy your argument.

If you don't read the argument how do you know what you have destroyed. What facts have you presented that dispute that gays can do what they want behind closed doors?

TheEccentric(3382) Disputed Banned
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You clearly know nothing about me if you think I am politically correct, left-wing or liberal. I am a fascist and am far right. I hate ideas such as democracy and free speech, I hate political correctness and absolutely hate left-wing ideas about economics, for example taking money from the hard working middle class and giving it to the lazy unemployed.

The only thing is I believe that I have the right to shag whoever I want to as long as it is consensual and in private. Believing that does not make you left-wing. You clearly just describe anyone who isn't a dumb religious zealot as left-wing.

I have no idea which US political party you think I support but I am not even American. FYI I am British and support a right-wing party. Not all non-homophobics are on the right-wing. Perhaps just in America because you're politics are shit. If you're American it seems you're either a religious nut case or a total, lunatic leftie Bolshevist. You seem to lack diversity.

You are the arrogant one as you are the one audacious enough to tell people that they can't shag who they want to or can't marry who they want to. You have no right to care about any one else's sex life, it is none of your business. I really could not care whether a Sunday school teacher is gay or not. I personally want nothing to do with you're evil religion. Sometimes I wish all religious people where under the sea.

TheEccentric(3382) Disputed Banned
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Also the fact does not destroy the argument as it is not necessary for every species to have homosexuals in order for it to be natural. Like how somebody has already said not all species have feathers but it's still natural for some to have them.

HelpThem(13) Disputed
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I don't think they are the arrogant ones if this is a statement all people who share your belief state. If it happens in nature it's natural that's how things work, just because someone has different preferences in their life doesn't make it wrong. It's like saying I like dogs so since you don't like dogs you are unnatural. Stupid and not affecting me. Until you give me a serious reason to have such a negative opinion towards homosexuals I will have to say that it isn't affecting me in my life and I see no way it is affecting yours.

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I dunno... I spend a lot of time thinking about gay sex myself ;)

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They would have to live non stop around the clock with these Geese to proves so.

No dear. They would have to witness it only once. This would be enough to prove homosexuality exists in nature.

4 points

Religion is unnatural. Religion needs to be banned. ;)

JavaScript(30) Clarified
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It's actually not really. Conventional religions may be irrational but its perfectly natural for humans to try and describe things they can't or don't understand. They just insert entities into their descriptions which helps with the soundness of the rationale explanation. Actually, a lot religions do give rational explanations (e.g. demon possession being translated from psychological explanations, the devil, if real as conceived, and transferred into a living entity, would likely give rise to hysteric behavior- unless its objective were to remain inconspicuous).

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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It's actually not really.

Wrong. Look up the definition of unnatural.

Conventional religions may be irrational but its perfectly natural for humans to try and describe things they can't or don't understand.

Rational or not, explaining things you can't understand is not found in nature. Thus, not natural.

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They tell us that two male geese paired up together makes them Gay. They never show us any proof that these geese do not mate with other geese during mating season. They would have to live non stop around the clock with these Geese to proves so.

First problem with your argument is that you have failed to bring up something that discredits the homosexual agenda. You agree that homosexual acts occur in nature. What you have failed to show is how the possibility that a gay man may want to have sex with a woman eventually means that he shouldn't be allowed to receive the tax benefits he pays for just because he wants to receive those benefits with a man. Second problem is that you are discrediting monogamy with your argument as well. Since you feel marriage can exist without monogamy in geese, it doesn't matter if homosexuality is permanent in geese. The third problem with your argument is that you keep moving the goalposts. Something is found in nature unless it is also found in animals, then it isn't natural unless you find an animal that always exhibits those traits. What will you ask for after a full gay goose is presented?

Never mind the fact that some species are exclusively homosexual in their entirety, and in fact reproduce via homosexual mating.

Of course, this is due to the fact that most hermaphroditic species technically only have one gender, making heterosexuality an impossibility- but nevertheless, I think we can all agree that homosexuality is well documented in nature, and hermaphroditic species really underscore that point.

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I agree entirely but I'm sure his essential point (erroneous as it may be) is in regards to species that are biologically/anatomically designed for reproduction through heterosexual mating.

He supports the notion that homosexuality (for heterosexually designed species) is some sort of disorder- this could have scientific explanations for why this notion could be a possibility given homosexuals abnormal neurological makeup.

Jace(5187) Clarified
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He supports the notion that homosexuality (for heterosexually designed species) is some sort of disorder- this could have scientific explanations for why this notion could be a possibility given homosexuals abnormal neurological makeup.

Beg pardon? Every credible psychological body has explicitly repudiated everything you just implied. Homosexuality does not correspond with an "abnormal neurological makeup" and to even suggest that this notion could possibly be scientifically correct is ignorant at best.

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Animals do have homosexuality. A prime example of this would be two swans in Boston previously, known as Romeo and Juliet, who turned out to be a same sex pair.

2 points

This debate is pathetic. How can we ever really know how animals think? Nature is best left to work without human interference, as it has been for countless years. I can't imagine how many instances of homosexuality there has most likely been over the course of time between animals.

Fromwithin, just admit this is all about your religious beliefs.

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Religion doesn't happen in nature so it is unnatural

Driving doesn't happen in nature it is unnatural

You argument is like these just placed here to gain a reaction from readers only I think I'm calmer than you and thinking about this more rationally.

Well thank you all for not answering the question of why Homosexuality is not in the tens of thousands of different species. You have admitted to me that Homosexuality is not natural to species and if it is ever proven to be in any species, it is a disorder.

TheEccentric(3382) Disputed Banned
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As Cartman said religion is not natural as it is only present in one species. Homosexuality is present in 1,500 species but religion is only one. So is it really that gay who are unnatural or the mentally retarded and insane morons who have an imaginary white-bearded friend who sits in the sky controlling everything?

GenericName(3430) Disputed Banned
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"Well thank you all for not answering the question of why Homosexuality is not in the tens of thousands of different species. You have admitted to me that Homosexuality is not natural to species and if it is ever proven to be in any species, it is a disorder"

It is kinda sad that you have to lie to yourself in order to maintain your beliefs.

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Well, the point that has been made is that a trait does not have to exist in 10s of thousands of species to be natural, so your claim is nonsensical.

And I actually DID supply evidence that homosexuality IS present in thousands of species. So...

I'm waiting for your lame excuses why not all animal species have some homosexuals amongst their ranks.

I'm not seeing why this is a requirement to suggest it's not natural.

FromWithin(8240) Disputed
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I'm not surprised you don't get it. If it were true that there are Gays in nature as with people, tell me why out of all the tens of thousands of species, in the vast majority of those species there NO HOMOSEXUALS! If you can't grasp that, wow!

There would always be a few Homosexuals in every species no matter if it were a choice, or disorder, or who knows what.

Alright. By that logic if having five fingers was in nature wouldn't all species have five fingers? Do you see the problem with your line of thinking?

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Just because something is natural or is in nature does not mean it has to exist everywhere. Is having 8 legs natural for a spider? Yes. Is having blue blood natural? For Cephalopods yes. Is having wings on a butterfly natural? Yes.

Then is homosexuality natural? Yes.

What we define as "nature" or "natural" is merely referring to what we consider to be the norm or socially acceptable. This is not a biological question. It is a social one. It has to do with how we perceive these individuals in our society.

Or to put in in another way, how are human beings considered natural at all? We are practically hairless, bipedal, make our own tools and possess a theory of mind. Where else can you find these characteristics in the animal kingdom? We are unique, and should not be defined or judged with respect to animals. To do so is derogatory and is against the rights of a human being.

What activists are merely saying is that homosexuality has been observed in a few species and thus is not confined to humans. No conclusions can be drawn other than this.

FromWithin(8240) Disputed
1 point

Well, when one of the fools who try to say up is down tells us all how the body is designed to work, maybe I might just listen. Read up on our body parts and our sexual parts, and tell me how two Gay men are natural. Until then, it is laughable.

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I'm not really up to date on the scientific research of homosexuality of other species besides humans, but I can tell you the main difference. A human can ask existential questions; who am I, how did I come to be, what is my purpose. Animals cannot do this, and therefore don't really feel the need to express themselves outside of their primal instincts, which is mostly to reproduce. To put an understanding of the human concept of love is shortsighted and should be open to interpretation always. How I see it, if you love somebody, then love them.

Love scientifically can probably be connected to some body chemistry that occurs in the brain, so if that is so, then who am I to judge by how someones brain works. I think the best thing is to be tolerable and helpful to your fellow man, don't judge them, and belittle them. Because if you do that, then what are you? The leader on moral righteousness? God?

I'm going to take a shot in the dark and assume that you are a follower of the Christian religion, I see that most religious people are staunch homophobes. "Do not judge, or you too will be judged." I'm not religious, but I believe that verse speaks truths on the fair treatment of humans, and if you do follow the bible as your moral handbook, then practice what you preach.

FromWithin(8240) Disputed
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What you just posted is a perfect example of how people on the Left or people who support the Gay agendas, have NO CLUE what the Christian faith is all about.

I totally agree on what you said about how we should treat others, how we should love and how we should not judge them.

Now you are either trying to deliberately mislead people so they will judge, belittle or not be tolerable to Christians, or you are truly naive and ignorant to the Christian faith.

True Christians do love people and do not judge people. What we do is stand up for God's words and when Gay activists and Liberals try to sue the Church to force Gay Sunday school teachers(even though our faith says it is a perversion) we take a stand. Can you imagine Christian parents wanting their kids taught the Bible by open Gay Sunday school teachers who do not agree with the Bible. We want true Christians in places of leadership in our Churches who believe what the New testament Bible teaches.

For the millionth time..... THIS IS WHAT WE FIGHT AGAINST WITH THE GAY AGENDAS. We don't want our marriage laws transformed to any fringe group that comes long because this is the slippery slope where one step at a time America's Christian heritage is being transformed. We have every right to fight for what we believe is best for America and it's children, as do you and what you think America should be. I always laugh at people like you who think Christians should be silent, stay in Church and never voice our opinions on issues. That makes it easier for those on the Left to transform America(hence the lie of separation of Church and state). We don't judge Gays, we don't hate Gays, you are a liar or very ignorant.

Now what I see is a hypocrite who refuses to see that he goes against everything he just preached, love, tolerance for our fellow man, etc. I bet you vote for Democrats who support late term abortions on demand. Before you say the typical lie of how Democrats do not support this, during the Partial birth abortion debates in Congress, it was shown that the majority of late term abortions are done on healthy Babies and by healthy mothers. Try some tolerance to our most defenseless and just MAYBE Christians could have an ounce of respect for your so called compassion.

So who are you? The leader on moral righteousness? God? The hypocrisy on the Left's so called compassion and tolerance for others is such a load of garbage.

Start practicing what you preach. Stop judging Christians for standing up for what their faith teaches. We love ALL people, even our most defenseless Babies. Start taking a stand for the right's of life for our Babies as you constantly do for Gay marriage. Your priorities are sickening. In your world the life of a Baby is not as important as Gay marriage.

Stetson(39) Disputed
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I actually never said I was in support of the "gay" agenda, nor against. I'm not even liberal, I'm independent. I also said that I'm not religious at all, but I was raised in a Christian environment. I never -purposely- said anything that would mislead a person to treat Christians unfairly, "True Christians," have already made an opposition based on their actions. If you call pointing out; the wars, the lynching, the slavery, the cruel treatment, and the fear mongering -misleading-, then I think you are ignoring human history.

America isn't a Christian country, there is a reason why there is a whole clause about separation of church and state.

I never said that Christians should be silent, I think they should have an equal voice in government as the gays, atheists, straights, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, Catholics, whites, blacks, Asians, American-Natives, basically every significant people that make up America.

I do practice what I preach, as the Christian faith is not what I preach. As well, try and stay away from strawmanning others, you do not know whether I value a human life over a social issue.

What you just posted is a perfect example of how people on the Left or people who support the Gay agendas, have NO CLUE what the Christian faith is all about.

I totally agree on what you said about how we should treat others, how we should love and how we should not judge them.

Now you are either trying to deliberately mislead people so they will judge, belittle or not be tolerable to Christians, or you are truly naive and ignorant to the Christian faith.

True Christians do love people and do not judge people. What we do is stand up for God's words and when Gay activists and Liberals try to sue the Church to force Gay Sunday school teachers(even though our faith says it is a perversion) we take a stand. Can you imagine Christian parents wanting their kids taught the Bible by open Gay Sunday school teachers who do not agree with the Bible. We want true Christians in places of leadership in our Churches who believe what the New testament Bible teaches.

For the millionth time..... THIS IS WHAT WE FIGHT AGAINST WITH THE GAY AGENDAS. We don't want our marriage laws transformed to any fringe group that comes long because this is the slippery slope where one step at a time America's Christian heritage is being transformed. We have every right to fight for what we believe is best for America and it's children, as do you and what you think America should be. I always laugh at people like you who think Christians should be silent, stay in Church and never voice our opinions on issues. That makes it easier for those on the Left to transform America(hence the lie of separation of Church and state). We don't judge Gays, we don't hate Gays, you are a liar or very ignorant.

Now what I see is a hypocrite who refuses to see that he goes against everything he just preached, love, tolerance for our fellow man, etc. I bet you vote for Democrats who support late term abortions on demand. Before you say the typical lie of how Democrats do not support this, during the Partial birth abortion debates in Congress, it was shown that the majority of late term abortions are done on healthy Babies and by healthy mothers. Try some tolerance to our most defenseless and just MAYBE Christians could have an ounce of respect for your so called compassion.

So who are you? The leader on moral righteousness? God? The hypocrisy on the Left's so called compassion and tolerance for others is such a load of garbage.

Start practicing what you preach. Stop judging Christians for standing up for what their faith teaches. We love ALL people, even our most defenseless Babies. Start taking a stand for the right's of life for our Babies as you constantly do for Gay marriage. Your priorities are sickening. In your world the life of a Baby is not as important as Gay marriage.

I rest my point. You would preach to Christians about how you think we are not tolerant or loving towards Gays while you could care less about even late term abortions on demand.

Abortion is the one issue that shows who people are on the inside. Do they practice what they preach, or do they pick and choose who gets their tolerance. Christians care for all people.

Babies can't speak out for their right's to life as Gays CONSTANTLY do for their so called marriage rights. Babies can't preach to you and judge you for denying them their right to life by what you support when you elect pro abortion politicians. They can't tell you that you are an intolerant person for electing those who would keep the killing legal even for late term abortions on demand. Babies can't explain how you excuse killing them for sake of money as you think these Babies might be a burden on our social programs. Or maybe supporting abortions to prevent more minorities from being born. That is a form of racism in my book. Abortions excused by twisting the Constitution's privacy clause.

So the next time you want to judge Christians for what you call being intolerant to any group of people(which we are not) then look at yourself before pointing fingers.

The Constitution says Government shall make no law establishing religion and will pass no law that prohibits the free exercise of religious expression. It says nothing about separation of Church and state! Allowing communities the freedom to choose a school prayer or not DOES NOT ESTABLISH A RELIGION. As at football games, it's a simple prayer of love, tolerance, forgiveness and safety for those listening. No child is forced to pray.

Tell me why Congress opens every day with a prayer if it were establishing a religion to do so.

I think elephant males prefer homosexual sex. Really, you don't have a point here, some guys like other guys some gals like other gals. Are you trying to say you are smarter or know more about the world than homosexuals? That they just don't understand their own bodies as well as you understand them?

FromWithin(8240) Disputed
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You just don't get it do you. Who doesn't know there are thousands of people with weird fetishes, unnatural desires for animals, multiple wives, men wanting to marry consenting teens, etc.

We have men who can not stay true to one woman and they have constant affairs. Does this make it normal or natural? NO! Does it mean we should change our marriage laws because of some fringe group with the power of the Liberal media? NO!

It matters not why some men think they are women. Some men just like to dress like women. There are all kinds of weird people but we have laws that support the obvious normal relationships which are best for our children. Laws that are good for society. Laws that supersede any small group of people who would force their agendas on us all.

You do realize that many Pedophiles also believe they are born that way. Does this make it normal or natural? I'm not comparing pedophiles to Gays, I'm making the simple point that just because any group of people think their lifestyles should be sanctioned as normal, does mean we should just slide down that slippery slope.

IAmSparticus(1516) Disputed Banned
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Who doesn't know there are thousands of people with weird fetishes, unnatural desires for animals, multiple wives, men wanting to marry consenting teens, etc.

A few of those are absurd comparisons. "Weird fetishes" are not illegal, bestiality is rape, and statutory rape is, again, rape. Comparing rape to a relationship between two consenting adults makes no sense.

We have men who can not stay true to one woman and they have constant affairs. Does this make it normal or natural? NO!

Polyamory is actually quite natural, though it definitely isn't normal in our society.

Does it mean we should change our marriage laws because of some fringe group with the power of the Liberal media? NO!

You are correct. We should only change our marriage laws if violations of the constitution are in question.

It matters not why some men think they are women. Some men just like to dress like women. There are all kinds of weird people but we have laws that support the obvious normal relationships which are best for our children.

Outlawing the real because it isn't the ideal is ridiculous, and it deprives orphans without homes very real, loving parents.

Laws that supersede any small group of people who would force their agendas on us all.

That would be you in this situation, not them.

You do realize that many Pedophiles also believe they are born that way.

Recent evidence suggests that they very well might have been. That does not mean that pedophilia, which involves rape when acted upon, should be legalized. Same-sex relationships involve consenting adults, and no harm occurs. Why do you insist on such groundless comparisons?

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I understand where you're coming from, I used to be Christian myself, but pedophiles like sociopaths ARE born that way. We still need to deal with them because they could harm others. The difference is gay people are consented adults who (may) love each other. And fetishes? Well if you get consent with another adult, feel free to try all kinds of weird shit!

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You are making an appeal to nature. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-nature

I have read there are some dolphins that are Gay. I am sure there are other animal species that are Gay. These animals aren't ashamed to be Gay just as any human shouldn't be ashamed to be Gay.

FromWithin(8240) Disputed
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What a shock, totally ignore the argument and spew your pro Gay marriage garbage. Try addressing the argument and explaining why this so called natural occurence in nature is not happening in every species?

Have you ever seen two male dolpins having sex? Do you know if these supposed Gay dolphins never have sex with the opposite sex? No, you spew garbage as always and expect low end voters to believe the garbage.

Have you ever seen any TV footage of two male Dolhins having sex? And please tell me how anyone could possibly know if those same Dolpins never have sex with the opposite sex.

WHAT A WASTE OF TIME!

flewk(1192) Banned
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For all the activists who want to twist the facts to make Homosexuaity normal and natural, tell us all why tens of thousands of species of animals and birds have no homosexuals?

1) Birds do not have penises and vagina. Most bird species have a cloaca which is also used to excrete urine and feces.

Both genders have the same external genitalia. There is no difference for heterosexual and homosexual sex. They literally "bump uglies" for a couple of seconds hundreds of times a day in order to transfer genetic material.

There are also some birds that are asexual and reproduce as such.

2) You also mentioned animals which includes even more species and reproductive systems. Even arthropods can be classified as animals.

It is generally not a good idea to use science as an authority if you do not actually understand the science.

Pro Gay activists tell us under biased studies that there are certain species such as Geese who have homosexuals in their ranks. They tell us that two male geese paired up together makes them Gay. They never show us any proof that these geese do not mate with other geese during mating season. They would have to live non stop around the clock with these Geese to proves so.

I am not even sure what study you are talking about. Let's assume everything you have said is true. Does this mean that human bisexuals are natural because there are bisexual Geese?

But this is what we have from Liberal activists. They live their lives trying to pass their agendas by twisting facts such as with the Global warming joke. Once their lies are shown, they change their name to climate change. This way it covers any weather condition whether it be extreme cold or extreme warm. How nice for them.

I'm waiting for your lame excuses why not all animal species have some homosexuals amongst their ranks.

The study of climatology has been around long before media sensationalism of "global cooling" and "global warming". It seems like you have been brainwashed by the media as well.