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Debate Score:25
Arguments:22
Total Votes:26
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If I Throw a Dart and it Hits Someone, but I didn't know they were there, is it my Fault?

I am in a forest (alone) and I find a dart on the floor. I pick it up, scan it quickly and decide that it is junk. I quickly toss the dart away because it is rubbish and I soon hear a yelp from where I threw the dart to. 

 

The dart hit a jogger in the neck and they bled to death. Am I to blame for it? 

Yes

Side Score: 16
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No

Side Score: 9

If I nuke a city, but I didn't know a city was there is it my fault or should I say "who the fuck put this city here? Its their fault!"

Side: Yes
2 points

this is kinda like which came first the dart or the jogger

Side: Yes

If you were around 65 years ago, you could have been a great PR spokesman for America.

Side: Yes
u7209(4) Clarified
1 point

well said but it could have been a hunter trying to shoot something but hitting the jogger

Side: Yes
u7209(4) Disputed
1 point

yes but if the city was built in a nuclear bomb test facility you cant help it can you, he should not have been there jogging in the first place

Side: No
Iamyoufather(62) Disputed
1 point

Eeeer. hmmmm... a little over reaction there eh ?

Side: No

Shoulda looked where you were throwing the dangerous object before you threw it.

Side: Yes
1 point

In reality it's as much his fault as yours, but I say take responsibility for it. Not just this event, but take responsibility for everything that happens in your life, whether it is logically you're 'fault' or not.

By surrendering your responsibility over something about your life, you also surrender your ability to control and alter said thing. Ultimately, the one your 'victim mentality' hurts the most is you.

Side: Yes
Micmacmoc(2260) Clarified
1 point

Just so that you understand, this is all hypothetical.

Side: Yes
ryuukyuzo(641) Clarified
1 point

Hmm. By you I meant you in general, not you specifically =p

Side: Yes
1 point

Are you to blame?

Well, the dart didn't throw itself. So yes, it's your fault.

Should you be held accountable as if it were on purpose?

Of course not. It was an honest (but still kinda stupid lol) accident.

Side: Yes

It is your fault, yet you are not necessarily at fault. If there was reason to believe that there could be someone where you were throwing the dart, then you should have acted differently, but if it was highly unlikely that there was someone there, then you are not at fault.

Side: Yes
1 point

You set that dart into motion. That jogger wouldn't've been killed if not for you. You haven't murdered him, but you have killed him, and you should be punished for your recklessness.

Side: Yes
1 point

If I shoot a bullet straight up into the air and killed a person. Am I to blame for it?

Side: Yes

when you toss something it usually lands about 5ft near you feet your foot. for this dart to hit somebody, and in the neck, you must have thrown it with purpose.

Side: Yes

One is responsible for his own actions. Since a dart has a sharp point, it should be disposed and not tossed into the air.

Side: Yes
2 points

I'm going to use Obama logic:

"If you hit someone with a dart, you didn't throw that."

Side: No
0 points

Yes, I hear that also applies to every significant feat of sporting achievement we have ever seen. The Bulls didn't win six championships on their own, nobody has ever climbed Mount Everest on their own, every gold metal won at the Olympics (at least by American athletes) was 100% dependent upon our wonderfully socialistic democratic party. Just like Al Gore was the inventor of the internet so too shall our man Obama be the one who gets the credit for every accomplishment of every American past, present or future. We should erect statues of him and emblam his body when he passes so we can view it forever...just like Lenin! Wow, how flippin' ironic is it to think we have been living under a communist state for the past four years! Oh, it must have been because Obama was never a US citizen! I think I went on a tanget.

Side: No

The Bulls didn't win six championships on their own

Well 'The Bulls' is an entire sports team, complete with managers, physios, trainers, and then a team. Together, they all won it.

nobody has ever climbed Mount Everest on their own

This is actually true, everyone that's ever climbed it has done it in a team.

every gold metal won at the Olympics (at least by American athletes) was 100% dependent upon our wonderfully socialistic democratic party.

No athlete trains by themselves, they have their own trainers, their own dieticians, their own managers, their own team. If you put Usain Bolt in an empty stadium, in a single lane, and told him to run, I'm sure he wouldn't beat his own record.

Just like Al Gore was the inventor of the internet so too shall our man Obama be the one who gets the credit for every accomplishment of every American past, present or future.

Pretty sure he's actually just saying that government should be recognized as having helped everyone on their way (as well as certain other people in society, he put more stress on that actually), rather than the government should take credit for everything.

We should erect statues of him and emblam his body when he passes so we can view it forever...just like Lenin! Wow, how flippin' ironic is it to think we have been living under a communist state for the past four years!

If you really think America is a communist state, and Obama is a communist, you are somewhat misguided. America has one of the lowest government spending as a percentage of GDP of any developed country, it has one of the highest business freedom rankings, and it has a very free market.

Oh, it must have been because Obama was never a US citizen!

Andy, you are much more intelligent than this. We both know that Obama is a US citizen, and you very well know that Obama did not say that you didn't build your business. I paraphrase: 'someone built those roads and bridges. If you've got a business - you didn't build that'. It's clear that he was referring to the roads & bridges (especially as he'd said this point like three times already), and you know it. I have no problem with you not liking him, but this entire idea that Obama thinks no one can be individually successful is ridiculous.

Side: No
1 point

It depends, were you negligent?

I'm going to jump to a logical assumption here to help answer better.

Since you mentioned you were in the forest alone, it seems you've naturally investigated your surroundings and have come to the conclusion you're the only human around your area.

What you do next when you find out you hit a jogger with that dart also helps determine whether you're at fault.

Do you rush over as soon as they call out?

Do you not hear them call but find out later?

Do you feel guilty?

Do you try to save them?

Do you call for help and emergency service?

These help determine negligence. If negligence can be proven them you're definitely at fault; you did something wrong that if not done could have prevented it.

But sometimes, while things like this happen, you never could have known this was going to happen.

Side: No
1 point

You tossing the dart away would have been one of many factors causing the jogger to bleed to death.

Such an event would probably be viewed negatively by the public on an emotional level so all factors which led up to and caused such a thing to happen can be considered to be a fault.

However, you would have had no choice in the matter for the events that took place, so you should not be held responsible in terms of retribution for the person who died.

Side: No
1 point

Well, no, you didn't mean to hit them.... but if you find a dart i suggest dropping it back on the floor.... not throwing it.

Side: No