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No, Putin will go Nuclear. We must not yield to threats.
Debate Score:20
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 No, Putin will go Nuclear. (9)
 
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If Russia attacks a N.A.T.O., member Nation should we react with full force?

Putin really has the free nations of the West over a barrel, the ''oil barrel'' the ''barrel of a gun'' and the nuclear annihilation barrel.
This is the dilemma facing President Poopy Pants, is he up to making that sort of decision?

No, Putin will go Nuclear.

Side Score: 11
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We must not yield to threats.

Side Score: 9
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If Russia attacks a N.A.T.O., member Nation should we react with full force?

Hello P:

It's clear what NATO should do if a member nation is attacked..

But, would NATO be required to assist Poland if they attack Russia because they're pissed off about the millions of Ukrainian refugees pouring into their country??

excon

Side: No, Putin will go Nuclear.
Pench(841) Clarified
1 point

My personal, and therefore amateurish opinion is, that if Poland was sufficiently reckless to attack Russia then they should be left to stew in their own juices.

The United States of America is the only nation with the military capability to overcome the Russian war machine.

We've both probably had a friend or two who were good at starting a fight then leaving us to handle the consequences of their aggression.

My perception at the moment is that the war in Ukraine is at a very delicate stage.

One thing I'm certain of is that Putin isn't going to loose face and back off without achieving his declared demands and being seen to having achieved his goals.

No compromises, no treaties, just total acceptance of his ultimatums.

OOPS there are reports of a meeting presently taking place that apparently are showing signs of accord.

PHEW, let's pray common sense will prevail over the madness.

Side: No, Putin will go Nuclear.
1 point

If we're going to back away from every one of Putin's land-grab aggressions we may as well present him Europe on a big shining silver platter.

Having taken measure of the little turd, President Poopy Pants and his radical leftist appeasers Putin has become assured that all he has to do is dangle the threat of nuclear warfare and he will have carte-blanche to do and say anything he wishes.

Side: No, Putin will go Nuclear.
1 point

If Russia attacks a N.A.T.O., member Nation should we react with full force?

Hello P:

Lemme put it this way: WWG1WGA.

excon

Side: No, Putin will go Nuclear.
Developing(494) Disputed
1 point

Excon, you offered a worthless trolling comment. My G-d, it's very obvious that you fear actual debate.

Side: We must not yield to threats.
excon(18260) Disputed
2 points

Excon, you offered a worthless trolling comment. My G-d, it's very obvious that you fear actual debate.

Hello D:

I'm sorry that went over your head. Lemme dumb it down for you.. The question was, should NATO react with force IF a member nation is attacked..

The answer is, OF COURSE we should. That's what NATO is all about. Where we go one, we go all. WWG1WGA. Yeah, that's an Q'anon thing. But, in terms of this question, it's right on..

Sorry you didn't get it.

excon

Side: No, Putin will go Nuclear.
1 point

In the first place, I'm not a pro-russian person, and neither an american, I'm a romanian, and being a citizen of a NATO member country, I am very afraid that instead of trying to keep peace, NATO would challange Russia and add fuel to the flames.

Challanging one of the greatest military and nuclear power would not bring any good to the world. We all know Russia can't go to war with the whole of NATO, but neither can we, we all need to know our limits.

We can let him go savage in Ukriane, but we don't need to provoke him. This doesn't mean NATO should show weakness, I'm not saying that, we need to hold our own, but holding our own against Russia doesn't mean advancing to them.

Side: No, Putin will go Nuclear.
excon(18260) Disputed
1 point

I'm a romanian, and being a citizen of a NATO member country, I am very afraid that instead of trying to keep peace, NATO would challange Russia and add fuel to the flames.

Hello:

I'm simply fearful that Putin won't stop at Ukraine. Romania shares a border with Russia, no???

excon

Side: We must not yield to threats.
basedpatrick(5) Clarified
1 point

No, Romania does not share any border with Russia, we're neighbors with Ukraine. If Putin will take Ukraine we will be theroetically the next ones. I said theoretically because being part of NATO we're pretty safe.

It's none of our (NATO) buisness what Putin is doing in Ukraine, as Ukraine isn't part of NATO, threatening Russia will not solve anything, more like it will make them far more furious and ambitious to prove that they are greater than the west.

Side: No, Putin will go Nuclear.
Pench(841) Disputed
1 point

Try once more to comprehend and answer the question posed in the thread.

If you do decide to have another attempt please cut out all the deadwood.

Side: We must not yield to threats.
1 point

At this moment there is not a NATO member being attacked by Russia. NATO must keep their hands quiet and accept Russian's invasion to Ukraine same as well it accepted the invasion to Iraq and the removal of it's leader just because... because...

If Russia decides to test a nuclear bomb in Ukraine, then the rest of the world will return back to their own business, because no other country will put a risk to themselves against Russia because its capability to send nuclear devices to all around the world.

In a extreme case, any country with nuclear devices and missiles with capabilities of going out the space, can easily explode a nuclear bomb in space and all the satellites will stop working... and the communications of the entire world will become mute, deaf and blind. Line services must have to be restored until years later new satellites are send back again to space.

A nuclear explosion in space is what most countries are afraid North Korea might use if any other nation attacks them.

I still thinking that Putin is not a crazy and ambitions person, I think Ukraine provoked Russia and this current invasion is the answer. Besides, recent news are showing some fishy business with labs and bats, and bad news it appears the US is involved.

This invasion to Ukraine is not something Putin planed at last minute just because he wanted to add it to Russia. Something has been going in Ukraine that pissed off Russia.

This is a conflict between those two countries, and I take the "cantina's rule" position: if dudes are fighting around, but no one touches your table, then you just keep drinking, that fight is not your business.

NATO must do the same.

Side: No, Putin will go Nuclear.
Pench(841) Disputed
1 point

Your long winded epistle failed to answer, or even address the question.

Do you wish to have another attempt?

Side: We must not yield to threats.
1 point

Poor old President Poopy Pants seems the sort of guy who would prefer to surrender first and ask questions afterwards.

No backbone, no resolve, no idea how to face up to a deranged megalomaniac who has decided he can do exactly as he pleases now that he's only got a senile Colonel Custard to deal with in the White House.

IN HIS STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS HE REFERRED TO UKRAINE AS IRAN AND USED A FEW OF HIS OWN NEWLY INVENTED WORDS.

WHEN ASKED WHERE UKRAINE WAS HARRIS HESITATINGLY AND WARILY REPLIED THAT ''IT WAS A COUNTRY IN EUROPE NEAR RUSSIA''.

MAN, MAN OH MAN.

Side: We must not yield to threats.
1 point

Nobody wants to get in a nuclear war with Russia over Ukraine except for maybe Ukraine, it isn't worth it for the human race in general. Putin knows this and is making a calculated push against NATO but he won't go further any time soon. As quickly as the politicians of the world will try to placate the masses while doing nothing, they will also simultaneously agree to nuke Russia if it becomes too imperialist too quickly. This is how the game works now, engaging in and dragging out ground-fought wars isn't an option between powerful countries because we have the technology to inflict total annihilation. When/if America does fight Russia it will try to nuke it off the face of the earth before Russia knows they are at war and its the same thing the other way around.

Side: We must not yield to threats.
Pench(841) Clarified
1 point

To make an oxymoron I would explain that my tactic has always been to MAKE THE ''RETALIATORY STRIKE ''FIRST, and at a time when a sense of mutual camaraderie seems to be at its peak.

I always make sure that THE SUCKER PUNCH is sufficiently ferocious to permanently disable my competitor.

That time is not now.

Side: No, Putin will go Nuclear.
1 point

Honestly think America is hoping for it. Because those in power have seen Russia as the enemy. Not even China is on the same level. Plus the normal population doesn't have the whole picture due to propaganda. Honestly it's like 9/11 all over again, but a country is the tower and Russia are the plane hijackers.

Side: We must not yield to threats.
excon(18260) Disputed
1 point

Honestly think America is hoping for it

Hello B:

To think America is hoping for the ANNIHILATION of the world, is STUPID, STUPID, STUPID, and BAT SHIT CRAZY to boot.

excon

Side: No, Putin will go Nuclear.
BDPershing(11) Disputed
1 point

Your assuming,

1. American leaders or even the Western leaders are smart. They're not.

2. Who said it will be annihilation? Dropping bombs don't always equal extinction.

The west is lead by fearful leaders who don't see the real problem. They all went through the Cold War and see Russia as a threat. None of them care who dies, they know due to there position they will be kept safe. So the threat of nukes dropping isn't a threat they themselves see affecting them. The most affected will be the EU. Russia wont even attempt to launch some against America's main land.

Now back to my point, America wants a reason to get NATO involved using propaganda and what ever they can to convince the world's people this is a just cause. Just like any other false flag. The plan being to go to war and hope destroying Russia will make others fall in line while maybe getting more pro western leaders placed in Russia's command structure. if they use NATO, chances are its the EU that takes the first hits. American mainland is less likely to take it. But follow up shots will be intercepted. since America will have prepared for interception due to us knowing the locations of the launch sites. Besides Russians subs which we do have an idea just not exact locations.

Side: We must not yield to threats.