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Debate Score:65
Arguments:36
Total Votes:101
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If Satan punishes evildoers would that make him a good guy

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Side Score: 37
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6 points

This is hilarious. Religious people have to try to justify their beliefs and look like idiots when they have to try to answer statements like this. Grow up and get educated you brainwashed children!

Side: yes
1 point

Yes i agree with the guy above me said \ /

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Side: yes
ChuckHades(3198) Disputed
1 point

Iz u trollin bro? Because this isn't really a very difficult question to answer, as long as you have a mature enough concept of morality.

Side: no
Liber(1728) Disputed
1 point

I find it indicative of how sad the state this website is in when one fails to even acknowledge the concept of the debate in their argument, simply insulting those who disagree with them, and get so many votes.

Side: no
JoesAngle(25) Clarified
1 point

I did mostly insult the religious and not give a true argument. I will add more to my position in the following:

I find it amazing that in this day and age when there is so much access to information that people can still believe the fairytale nonsense of old religious texts. When I was a kid I listened to my parents and preachers and tried to read the bible and was TOTALLY confused. There is some interesting history and some good moral teachings but otherwise it's a very naive perspective on how the universe works and what out true human nature is.

We are social animals but are the most complex social animals on earth and we developed language and an emotional system to coordinate our existence together. Since the most successful humans worked together to survive, we developed a checks and balances system between self-survival and group-survival. One of those systems involved "good" behaviors and "bad" behaviors. We evolved to recognize that someone is "good" when you can trust them and they are loyal, for example. Someone is "bad" when they are selfish and a freeloader. In our evolutionary past, it was life or death if you were known as good or bad in the group because if you were found to be bad you would be cast out of the group and would likely not survive on your own. That gives a better perspective on the development of "good" and "evil" from our evolutionary past.

I can't get into all the religions so I will analyze Christianity to make my point about religious nonsense. Here's what I have learned about Christianity that made me think it is nonsense:

1. There is no historical proof that Jesus even existed. The Romans kept meticulous records and there is no evidence of the man known as Jesus. There is only some references to him in some religious (biased) documents decades after he was thought to have existed.

2. At the time of Jesus, there was only 2% literacy and they spoke Arabic in the region. In addition, the first manuscripts of the new testament were in Greek. How does that work?

3. The original new testament books Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John all tell completely different stories about Jesus that don't match up. They are also all apocalyptic - meaning they believed that the end of the world was very soon. They were also all written at least 30 years after Jesus supposedly died so they weren't eyewitness accounts.

4. Many of the stories in the bible changed over the centuries and most are forgeries.

5. Christianity was forced into the mainstream by Constantine in the 4th century because he found it to be a great way to control his people in the Roman empire.

6. The papacy has been one of the most corrupt leadership systems in human history. Pope Bourgeois and his son used the power of the church to gain money, political power, sex, etc. He was known for having wild parties and orgies and bore a child with his own daughter.

7. The founding fathers of the US were mostly anti-religious because they understood that combining religion and politics leads to corruption. Thomas Jefferson was instrumental in the septation of church and state. He also edited the bible to get rid of all the fairy tale nonsense and make it more of a moral guide. Thomas Payne wrote in the "Age of Reason" that we need to grow up and move beyond the ridiculousness of religious doctrine written at a time when people didn't understand much of anything about the universe.

I could go on and on. My point is that the information is out there for those that seek it. Unfortunately, religious ways have infiltrated our society and get to children at their impressionable ages so it's difficult to give them a different perspective. I'm just lucky that when I was a child that I thought religious teachings were bizarre and I went out to seek information and the truth on my own. That's what I mean by growing up.

Satan and God fighting for our souls and good and bad is laughable. If an adult aged person actually believes that, then they are still a child.

Side: yes

Satan was The Accuser, his purpose was to test a person's will and essentially review their life and their sins. (If I remember correctly) He was a "good guy" and he is a prime example of staring into the abyss until the abyss stares back. That is essentially what lead him to his fall. That is all according to books of faith that I do not subscribe to though I thought I'd put it into perspective.

Side: yes
1 point

He brings justice to those who deserve it. Someone has to do it, maybe he doesn't want to - but justice should still be served.

If he does it then that means that the burden of bringing justice to someone is taken away from them for he therefore has the responsibility.

I would rather Satan bring justice and have a bad reputation than for evildoers to get away unpunished.

Side: yes
1 point

Wouldn't people in hell be praised by the devil for doing bad things instead of being tortured? Makes more sense this way.

Side: yes
0 points

Satan is my home-boy! ;)

Side: yes

He could start by punishing all Catholic priests and evangelical televangelists... that would certainly make him a good guy. If he followed up by frying all the inconsiderate nutjobs who interrupt my dinner to tell me about their stupid fantasy land while waving a book in my face, all the better.

Side: yes
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1 point

It would not make him a good guy because he punishes people in hell and torments them. Sometimes he says things to people on earth to think he would do certain things for people and in reality when they are in hell he lies to them.

Side: no
Hellno(17762) Disputed
3 points

But he's tormenting those who don't believe in your god... isn't that what you want?

Side: yes
MuckaMcCaw(1968) Disputed
1 point

Wait? Did you just Compliment SATAN ?

Side: yes
Micmacmoc(2260) Clarified
1 point

No, he justified some of his actions - which is what this debate is about.

Side: yes
1 point

Where does the right come into treating those who do wrong wrongly? I fail to see the good in that. Without getting into the subjectivity of "evildoing", those who evildo should be helped, not harmed; without care, how can anyone heal?

Side: no
atypican(4874) Disputed
1 point

I actually think this debate topic is both funny and could make people who have immature concepts of good and evil think a bit. I am disputing you for fun really.

Where does the right come into treating those who do wrong wrongly?

presumably punishing wrongdoers isn't treating them wrongly, it's administering justice

I fail to see the good in that.

Should wrongdoers be given comfort then?

those who evildo should be helped, not harmed; without care, how can anyone heal?

So a guy is picking off school children on a playground and I have a revolver should I be thinking about helping him or should I shoot him?

Side: yes
Liber(1728) Disputed
1 point

presumably punishing wrongdoers isn't treating them wrongly, it's administering justice

A concept of justice which turns everybody into wrongdoers.

Should wrongdoers be given comfort then?

Such a broad statement may easily be answered, but never answered well. What is wrong? Who is a wrongdoer? What is comfort? Do some wrongdoers deserve comfort? Do all humans deserve comfort? Does anybody deserve anything? So many more questions are come upon from a single, overly broad question.

So a guy is picking off school children on a playground and I have a revolver should I be thinking about helping him or should I shoot him?

One ought to do what he sees as being the best thing to do at the time. Most people, I should imagine (hope?), would do what they could - probably shoot him - to save the children from harm; if nobody is at risk, though, such is far too severe a punishment.

Side: no
vandebater(444) Disputed
1 point

because religion is all about helping and healing right... burn the gays, the sexually impure, and the infidels! based on religious logic satan would be a good guy except he's blasphemous and freedom of speech is a sin.

Side: yes
Liber(1728) Disputed
1 point

because religion is all about helping and healing right

My argument has not its basis in religion, but in a personal sense of right and wrong.

burn the gays

I do not condone the harming of any individual no matter the crime or affront.

based on religious logic

Or any of the the many interpretations thereof...

satan would be a good guy except he's blasphemous and freedom of speech is a sin.

The speech is not what is sinful to the religion, but the spirit in which the speech is made.

Side: no
1 point

Well, this is completely irrelevant, but if Satan does only bad things, if i did only bad things in my life wouldn't me and him get on?!

Side: no
1 point

Satan doesn't punish anyone..... God is the one who punishes Satan and us! Hell was originally intended for the Devil and his demons but because we have distorted the image of God we deserve the same punishment as they do.

Side: no
ElSaloriko(2) Disputed
1 point

Okay, break this down for me: Satan rebels against God due to his pride. Despite knowing that Satan would do this, God lets it happen because free will. Then Satan gathers up angels to rebel against him. Despite knowing that he would do this and that Satan would be able to convince these angels, he again allows it because free will. Then they rebel and (naturally) lose. This- for some reason- is apparently enough for God to believe that they deserve some kind of eternal punishment for daring to disobey.

Fine. But... exactly what did I do to "deserve Hell"? I didn't gather up angels and rebel against your god, I didn't "distort [his] image", whatever that means. I don't believe they exist! Explain why this is worthy of eternal torture. Or some kind of permanent retribution.

Side: yes
1 point

Blasphemy is supposedly the unforgivable sin and a theist could argue that not believing in God is blasphemy I guess.

Side: yes
1 point

Nah, it's just a fetish for evil-doers...

Side: no
1 point

Satan doesn't punish evildoers. He suffers in hell along with others who go there, I am an Atheist and I have read the Bible. The devil as portrayed as the punisher in pop-culture, but it is not accurate.

Side: no
Hellno(17762) Clarified
1 point

Okay? Then who in the Hell is doing the punishing if Satan isn't?

Side: yes