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Yes, we'd kick butt No, we're outgunned
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If U.S.A got in a war with China or Iran, would we win?

If U.S.A got in a war with China or Iran, would we win? notice how i put China OR Iran. not both at the same time.(though i'm sure we can take em both!)

 

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Yes, we'd kick butt

Side Score: 38
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No, we're outgunned

Side Score: 22

i think we'd kill them both. china outmans us, but we have superior armed forces. of course with our economy in the pooper, it does cast some doubt.

Side: Yes, we'd kick butt
2 points

But a war does trigger a wartime economy! This means a demand for soldiers and more jobs at home, manufacturing war equipment. I think we can easily take Iran right now. CHina, on the other hand, has massive numbers. Does this mean they're well-trained? I don't know, but they could easily have an army three times our size.

Side: Yes, we'd kick butt
3 points

The US has the most technologically advanced and powerful army in the world. Yes the Chinese outnumber us but you tell me how 300,000,000 untrained soldiers fare against 50,000,000 highly trained soldiers with complete naval and air control. Iran sucks no questions asked we own them. Oh and about the Korea Vietnam thing the US did not lose that war militarily but politically without the full commitment of the people you cannot win and that is what happened. But if you take world war II into account we kicked butt because the people were behind the military and if China attacked us they would quote "Awaken the Sleeping Giant". That would definitely not be good for those little people. One more thing China has to feed all those soldiers explain to me where they get enough food for them when we blockade their harbors.

Side: Yes, we'd kick butt
2 points

We would definitely own on Iran, but China would be tougher. Still I think we could take them with us buying their stuff the economy becomes worse than ours.

Side: Yes, we'd kick butt
2 points

all we would have to do is set off an atomic bomb on their capital and their other populated cities and we would kick their butts!!!!!! muhahahahaah

Side: Yes, we'd kick butt

Assuming we don't have to deal with some pansy ass bitches telling us that we can't do this and we can't do that, then yes, we can win.

Side: Yes, we'd kick butt
2 points

There would be a word for US vs Iran and China. It is called slaughter. China VS America would be just like Japan VS America, a war for the Pacific. The US navy (in tonnage) is the biggest navy in the world, even bigger than the 17 countries behind it, all added together. We also have superior planes, the F-22 is stealth so the Chinese planes could not lock missiles onto it. The Chinese use Russian MiG29s which would be decimated because the F22's missiles could lock onto it.

Iran would be pretty easy as well, while our Navy is over in the Pacific, our Army would be in Iran kicking ass. Iran is not that powerful compared to our Capitalist Might! =)

All this is presuming no nukes are involved*

Side: Yes, we'd kick butt
2 points

It really depends on what you would consider victory. The US could not take over either country or anything like that, but the US could easily win a strictly military war against either of these countries. Neither of these countries could realistically threaten the US mainland. Also, neither country has the technology to defend themselves effectively against a shock and awe type of attack that the US is capable of delivering.

Side: Yes, we'd kick butt
2 points

The US could definitely win if we have allies against China. Even if they did attempt to nuke us, they really only have like 30 operational. We have 4000. They would never do that if they were smart. Of course, they could hack our computers, which we rely on heavily. Iran would just be a joke. We would march in and march out.

Side: Yes, we'd kick butt
hardballs(1) Clarified
1 point

just as you have match out of iraq and afghanistan... dnt b decieved

Side: Yes, we'd kick butt

Can we use our nukes? Can I push the button? You know, the big red one ;)

Side: Yes, we'd kick butt
1 point

Sure Joe...and we'll paint your portrait on it too! 50X50X50X50.

Side: We may be out-manned and outgunned

when you bring WMD's into it, china has nukes and Iran has at least a dirty bomb(even if it's just a diaper full of poo), but doesn't U.S.A. have more nukes than both?

Side: Yes, we'd kick butt

We most likely do but by the time the Chinese stop bombing our cities there won't be much left.

Side: We may be out-manned and outgunned
Warlin(1213) Disputed
0 points

infantry foreplay followed by full on nuclear missile rape is bad for everyone D:! If Iran or China decided to nuke us, we should do the responsible thing and instead of use one really big bomb, use loads of napalm and planeload upon planeload of cluster bombs.

Side: No, we're outgunned
1 point

Iran we could take, currently. A decade ago, however, if Iran and Iraq had simultaneously switched their oil sales to the Euro, they might have toppled the dollar. Note that this is exactly why they got put on Bush's "Axis of Evil." But now it's become clear Iran isn't willing to back up its tough talk, and probably isn't able.

China, however... they have this habit lately of showing just how powerful they are. Their nuclear sub pops up in the middle of our naval maneuvers, just to thumb their nose at us. I think there was something about them hacking into our government's database, which is no small feat. And on multiple occasions they've made public their strategies to cripple us with lightning speed.

And then there's the economy-- currently, China could possibly crash our economy at great sacrifice to its own. They own so much of our debt that if they were to call it all in, our only option would be to completely devalue our currency to pay it off. Both countries would likely be poor, but guess which one is more viable in a crash? Then again, China is erasing this advantage by becoming just as dependent on petrol as us.

Now some context: if China really were that powerful, they wouldn't have to make themselves LOOK strong. Unless they've got something even more devious up their sleeves, it belies China as the 21st Century's preeminent superposeur.

Side: Yes, we'd kick butt

Right now, I am confident that the USA would win. Now, 10 years from now could be different story.

Side: Yes, we'd kick butt

The economy is NEVER in the pooper when it comes to war. The President asks for funding and he gets it...period. The two countries present two different problems as well. China has enough power in people they could probably put up the best fight. Iran has other countries around them that hate America and would have them as allies, fighting side by side. Of course, that puts Israel on our side and perhaps Iraq but they can't handle their own country as yet.

I would not wish to be in a war with either country because I'm not certain we could win it. I say that because of Iraq. We couldn't take them in a semi-allied situation. What makes anyone think we could take one super power and one radical lot which could turn into the greatest jihad the world has ever known? Think about it. I may be a bit pessimistic right now but anything is possible.

Side: We may be out-manned and outgunned
xlinebackerx Disputed
1 point

"I say that because of Iraq. We couldn't take them in a semi-allied situation. What makes anyone think we could take one super power and one radical lot which could turn into the greatest jihad the world has ever known? Think about it. I may be a bit pessimistic right now but anything is possible."

HA HA are you dumb??? We are talking war, not peacetime building. the USA crushed Iraq's military in a couple of weeks, with very few casualties. its the peacetime bullshit that's hard. if we went to war with china and Iran at the same time. We would take Iran first then we would control all of the worlds oil, china then has maybe enough oil to survive for like a month because of there population, also we have a larger more advanced navy in every way possible. same goes with every other branch of the military. Also all we would half to do is Bomb China's major cities there population is so densely populated that we would kill millions in heavy bomb runs. Also granted we can only draft about 50,000,000 max they can draft like 300,000,000 million but it takes time money and resources to do so so all they could do is tell those 300,000,000 to go run down through Korea which would prob ally work. but they would never get out of that area because they don't have the navy to do any invasions anywhere else or air force, and all of those factories would cease to be there for very long because of our very advanced bombs. so they do not have the technology to utilize there population, and there military equipment is not worth shit compared to ours there like 20-40 years behind the USA in military technology in all areas. so they would just sit there being bombed back to the stone age and when we finally landed boots on the ground they would probably have like 500,000,000 in population left, and most of it would be useless except for suicide attacks, thank god for the mini gun problem solved.

Side: Yes, we'd kick butt

If America & China went into total war & drafted all the men they could China would have 300,000,000 troops & America would have 50,000,000 troops. So America would be out-numbered 6 to 1.

Side: No, we're outgunned

yes, but how mant do over 6000 nukes kill? that should even the odds, right

Side: Yes, we'd kick butt
2 points

what is mant? & what about 6000 nukes?

We couldn't use nukes because we would kill millions of innocent people & it would destroy the Earth with the radiation.

Side: No, we're outgunned
ausmos4999(2) Disputed
1 point

It has been a long time since troop counts have mattered in war. China could have 1 billion troops and it really doesn't matter if they have nothing to do with them. China is only a regional military power. They would not be able to transport their troops, planes, etc. to the US mainland. The entire war would take place in Asia, and the Chinese military does not have the technological capability to stop the military onslaught the US could deliver upon them.

Side: Yes, we'd kick butt
1 point

well, when you add the Geneva Convention and our watchdog media... along with our hostile allies who attack us on everything we do... it would be hard.

but if we were to just, easily ignore all of those obstacles... yeah, we could kick their ass easily.

remember, if we think we have a weakness, we pull out the big guns. failure is not an option (especially in war, where our lives are at stake).

Side: No, we're outgunned
1 point

Iran yes but china absolutely not china already behaves like or even worse than Iraq and yet the us step very carefully around china basically china already owns America and as for war, men on the ground win a war and china could throw that many men at it the USA armed forces would count for nothing, plus the fact that the Chinese would not put pressure on their government to pull out as soon as soldier's started to die thats what happens in war.

Side: No, we're outgunned
Republican2(349) Disputed
1 point

In a time of war, no country "owns" each other. If china became our enemy, we wouldn't care if we're indebted to them or not. Also you have to consider that while the Chinese military could easily out man us, they do not have the supplies for carrying out a war against a country as powerful as the U.S.

Side: Yes, we'd kick butt
1 point

Lets look back at Vietnam and Korea. The chinese military had a significant involvement in both of these conflicts. America already got their ass whooped by the Chinese.

Side: No, we're outgunned
Republican2(349) Disputed
1 point

These wars happened a LONG time ago and it wasn't as cut and dry as "America already got their ass whooped". There were a lot of factors involved that resulted in the amount of U.S. fatalities, and Chinese involvement wasn't very high on the list to begin with. The biggest problem was that the army was under-equipt to fight in a jungle with guerrilla tactics.

Side: Yes, we'd kick butt
1 point

I agree with Republican2. Some guy once said you needed at least 10 times as many troops as the other guy to win against guerilla warfare.

Side: Yes, we'd kick butt
1 point

The USA has the potential to win against those clowns, but seeing how Americans put too much value on peace and getting along with Communists and stuff I think that we wouldn't fight a total war, while they would. I don't necessarily think America would utterly lose, but it would end in some sort of treaty with China on its good end. Still, I don't think that would ever happen considering the money we owe China...

Side: No, we're outgunned
1 point

Oh lord, many Americans still can't see that we can't beat them. Russia and China are the 2 most powerful countries that are just next to the USA. Russia has 12000+ nuclear weapons, how much do we have? China had one of the largest naval force. All of us got to wake up from our American dream and see the reality

Side: No, we're outgunned
1 point

I think personally that Iran Would win in a war because it has countries around it to support them for e.g Afghanistan , Iraq and Russia who all have problems with USA and Iran got more powerfull weapons , for E.g most powerfull tanks are origin in Iran , whereas there was just one in USA and Anti ship missiles Are all origin in Iran .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equipment_of_the_Iranian_Army - if you need more info

Side: No, we're outgunned
0 points

Iran, sure no problem.

China, no way. Mutually assured destruction -- there would be no winner. It's true we have way more nukes then them, but they still probably have enough to bomb every major American city.

Supporting Evidence: Current World Nuclear Arsenals (www.cdi.org)
Side: No, we're outgunned

...and therein lies the rub with China! I'm still not certain about Iran though we do have more bomb power than they.

Side: We may be out-manned and outgunned

wow. we do have way more nukes than them! with that many, could't we do the same to china what jessald said that china could do to us. even if they do nuke the continental U.S., everyone forgets about alaska. if we got in a war with them, id get ready for a cold,scenic winter up north...

Side: Yes, we'd kick butt
Republican2(349) Disputed
1 point

China would never launch a nuclear attack against the U.S. We are one of their primary sources of money. If China launched a nuclear attack, it would cripple our government and economy too far for us to be able to support their economy and their entire system would collapse. China depends on us for money and we on them for a way to outsource manufactured goods.

Side: Yes, we'd kick butt
jessald(1915) Disputed
1 point

Yeah, that's true, the US and China will almost certainly not go to war because they are too interdependent. But the question was what if they did.

Side: No, we're outgunned
0 points

We could beat iran, but no chaance against china... they have the worlds leading military

Side: No, we're outgunned
thumper8766(3) Disputed
1 point

Iran i a joke and China's Military like anything made in China is probably going to break the first time it's ever used.

Side: Yes, we'd kick butt