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Facts But Mein Frankfurter
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If You're A Fake Jew, Do You KNOW You're A Fake Jew?

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But Mein Frankfurter

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2 points

Is this the debate where you pretend that non-religious ethnic Jews are not Jews so that you can be an antisemite while pretending it's ok because you said they weren't Jews? Is that this debate?

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Jody(1742) Disputed
2 points

s this the debate where you pretend that non-religious ethnic Jews are not Jews so that you can be an antisemite while pretending it's ok because you said they weren't Jews

But you posted up your hatred for the Irish on this site 2 weeks ago and you detest anyone who is not white and American .....weird

I heard your 6 gun grandfather died in Auschwitz ....he fell out of one of the security towers 😂😂😂

Side: But Mein Frankfurter
2 points

But you posted up your hatred for the Irish on this site 2 weeks ago and you detest anyone who is not white and American .....weird

Amarel is the only Jew I know who thinks Jews are bad and that disagreeing makes you an anti-Semite.

Side: But Mein Frankfurter
1 point

you pretend that non-religious ethnic Jews are not Jews

Oh, I'm "pretending", am I? 😆

Learn facts you stupid little twit.

The Invention of the Jewish People (Hebrew: מתי ואיך הומצא העם היהודי?‎, romanized: Matai ve’ech humtza ha’am hayehudi?, literally When and How Was the Jewish People Invented?) is a study of the historiography of the Jewish people by Shlomo Sand, Professor of History at Tel Aviv University

Sand began his work by looking for research studies about forcible exile of Jews from the area now bordered by modern Israel, and its surrounding regions. He was astonished that he could find no such literature, he says, given that the expulsion of Jews from the region is viewed as a constitutive event in Jewish history. The conclusion he came to from his subsequent investigation is that the expulsion simply did not happen, that no one exiled the Jewish people from the region, and that the Jewish diaspora is essentially a modern invention. He accounts for the appearance of millions of Jews around the Mediterranean and elsewhere as something that came about primarily through the religious conversion of local people, saying that Judaism, contrary to popular opinion, was very much a "converting religion" in former times. He holds that mass conversions were first brought about by the Hasmoneans under the influence of Hellenism, and continued until Christianity rose to dominance in the fourth century CE.[18]

Sand argues that it is likely that the ancestry of most contemporary Jews stems mainly from outside the Land of Israel and that a "nation-race" of Jews with a common origin never existed, and that just as most Christians and Muslims are the progeny of converted people, not of the first Christians and Muslims, Jews are also descended from converts. According to Sand, Judaism was originally, like its two cousins, a proselytising religion, and mass conversions to Judaism occurred among the Khazars in the Caucasus, Berber tribes in North Africa, and in the Himyarite Kingdom of the Arabian Peninsula.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TheInventionoftheJewishPeople

Understand, idiot? There is no such thing as an "ethnic Jew". It is a completely circular argument because the idea that Judaism is somehow "passed on" through the mother comes from the Jewish religion in the first place!!

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Amarel(5470) Disputed
2 points

From your source:

"With a little critical distance, it is possible to criticize this book as a far cry from a ‘real’ work of scholarship. It is flimsy, haphazardly built, slap-dash. There is no foundation in archival research, and Sand does not seem to have fully read (or understood) many of the secondary works on which his thesis relies. He apparently has never heard of Aviel Roshwald and George Mosse, who are among the first names that should spring to mind in any consideration of Jews and nationalism... Perhaps the fundamental problem with this book, which also applies to the above-mentioned works of Goldhagen, Piterberg, and Mayer, is that the thesis runs way ahead of the supposedly dispassionate investigation (despite Sand's protest to the contrary), and therefore the book assumes the character more of a legal brief than a scholarly monograph"

"No historian of the Jewish national movement has ever really believed that the origins of the Jews are ethnically and biologically 'pure'."

"Bartal writes that Sand applies academically marginal positions to the entire body of Jewish historiography"

"Sand, for example, does not mention the fact that, from 2000 onwards, a team of scholars from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem labored on the production of a three-volume study on the history of the Jews of Russia"

"There is not enough known about the 13th century demography of Eastern European Jews to credibly make as bold a claim as Sand's."

"Historian Anita Shapira criticizes Sand for regularly "grab(bing) at the most unorthodox theory" in a field and then stretching it "to the outer limits of logic and beyond" during Sand's survey of three thousand years of history"

"Sand's political program makes the book an attempt to "drag history into a topical argument, and with the help of misrepresentations and half-truths to adapt it to the needs of a political discussion."

"even though it's a wonderful story", the mass conversion of Khazars to Judaism never took place"

"Invention of Jewish people is "messy polemic – helter-skelter, tendentious and ill-informed"

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