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Debate Score:62
Arguments:50
Total Votes:69
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If a girl is dressed provocatively and is raped, is it her fault as well as his?

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Side Score: 16
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Side Score: 46

yes...its like if you park your car in a bad area, leave your purse on the front seat and forget to lock the doors...you pretty much asked to get robbed. girls that dress slu-tty and then get drunk or hang out with drunk horney guys are just asking to get raped.

Side: Yes

and let us not forget...most of the time, it wasnt even rape

louis ck logic
Side: Yes
Jace(5222) Disputed
2 points

You are right, dressing "provocatively" and parking in a "bad area" are very similar. Both revolve around fallacious ideas, and neither means someone is asking to be a victim of crime. You may increase your risk, but you are still not asking someone to steal from or sexually assault you. That culpability rests solely with the person who determine to steal or sexually assault another person.

Side: No
Hateevery(3) Disputed
1 point

Ok first of all, guys get raped too. Second, girls are told to cover up so that boys don't get the "wrong impression" but who is to say what the wrong impression actually is? There are girls in this world who go out in sweatshirts and sweat pants.so are they asking for it? No,they want to be comfortable as well as people who dress in less. Nobody ever asks for rape that's why it's called rape! You don't want it but the other forces you. The victim never wanted to have sex.,if they did then they would have done something sexual.girls shouldn't have to cover up just so we won't "distract" guys.they should be the ones to respect woman.What I'm saying is,it doesn't matter what you are wearing,everyone gets raped.

Side: No
1 point

People must bear some responsibility for the outcomes of their actions. Some friends were discussing the “Slut Walks” that keep popping up,many women.......http://ogibogi.com/node/2164 for details.

Side: Yes
Jace(5222) Disputed
1 point

What... you mean like the rapists? (Of course not, that would be logical.)

Side: No
1 point

Dressing provocatively will most probably increase your chances of getting raped. I mean, if you're dressing fairly revealing it's provoking, I don't know. As great as it would be for rape not to exist, it would also be great for murder not to exist as well. But there are those kinds of people in the world and I'd say you should take the precautions to try your best to avoid the chance of getting raped. Be responsible.

Side: Yes
2 points

First of all, no, dressing provocatively does not increase your chances of getting raped.

http://www.usu.edu/saavi/pdf/mythsfacts.pdf

http://pathwayscourses.samhsa.gov/vawp/vawp supps_pg11.htm

Also, I read a study (I can't find it at the moment), that said as far as stranger rape (because obviously the situation is different with acquaintance rape) that said that rapists are actually more likely to choose a victim who is dressed conservatively, because they believe the woman hasn't embraced their sexuality, is more likely to be insecure, and is therefore less likely to report the crime. Also, flat shoes are preferred because heels can be used as a weapon. Ponytails, because you can grab a woman by them.

Now if we're looking for reasons to blame women, rapists also say the victim said hi to them, and that proved that the girl really wanted it, so if you want to be sure not to invite rape, don't speak to strange men. And a high percentage of rapes are through people women are friends with or related to, so don't know any men. Women can rape too, so don't know women either. Rapes happen in the bad part of town, so don't go there, but they happen in the good part of town too, so don't go there either, but they can happen in your home (so don't go there). Also, rapes happen at night, so don't be any of the aforementioned places after dark. And they happen in the day, so don't go any of the aforementioned places in the day. If you dress provocatively, you will be inviting it, so cover up, but like I said before, if you cover up, you're an easy victim, so don't do that either. And if you have had sex before, then the rapist probably thought you wanted it this time, but if you haven't had sex before, you were probably teasing the rapist. Also don't be a woman, or a man, because both can be raped. Only when all of these conditions have been fulfilled can we say with full confidence that the girl (or boy) is not to blame even one iota.

Side: No
Hateevery(3) Disputed
1 point

Ok girls are told to cover up so that boys don't get the "wrong impression" but who is to say what the wrong impression actually is? There are girls in this world who go out in sweatshirts and sweat pants.so are they asking for it? No,they want to be comfortable as well as people who dress in less. Nobody ever asks for rape that's why it's called rape! You don't want it but the other forces you. The victim never wanted to have sex.,if they did then they would have done something sexual.girls shouldn't have to cover up just so we won't "distract" guys.they should be the ones to respect woman.What I'm saying is,it doesn't matter what you are wearing,everyone gets raped.

Side: No
Jace(5222) Disputed
1 point

Are there dangers in life? Yes. Can one try to minimize those risks? Yes. Does this mean one is it a fault when someone else determines to take advantage of you? No.

Side: No
1 point

Everyone has the right to his or her own property and is restricted to his/her own property only.what belongs to others and what they do with it is none of our business as long as they do not effect us.if a girl is raped for dressing provacatively than the rapist is at total fault and not the victim.she has the right to do what she will and no one can that away from her.violate her and you're at fault.dressing does not lead to rape,if so is that case,what of child rape?have you seen a child dressed pprovocatively?have the little girl aroused you by her dressing?.blaming rape for dressing puts you only in a place where you'll be hauled as a capable rapist.You are a threat to your own family.

Side: Yes
1 point

Everyone has the right to his or her own property and is restricted to his/her own property only.what belongs to others and what they do with it is none of our business as long as they do not effect us.if a girl is raped for dressing provacatively than the rapist is at total fault and not the victim.she has the right to do what she will and no one can that away from her.violate her and you're at fault.dressing does not lead to rape,if so is that case,what of child rape?have you seen a child dressed pprovocatively?have the little girl aroused you by her dressing?.blaming rape for dressing puts you only in a place where you'll be hauled as a capable rapist.You are a threat to your own family.

Side: Yes
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rajnshruthi(2) Disputed
2 points

No..it is a girls choice as 2 wat she shud wear n she doesnt do that so that ny passerby can rape her. Instead of teaching girls to dress properly guys should be taught to be more respectful of women. Just because you are a guy doesnt give you the right to have sex with any girl you please. Even if she walks naked in front of you , you need to take permission before you can touch her. If a wealthy guy is robbed will u blame the guy for his success or the thief? its as simple as that

Side: No
1 point

We cant blame girls 4 our mistake... take d responsiblity ..

u need a permission to have sex wid her...

Rape is not an act of sex...its a violence! Damit it!

Side: Yes
rajnshruthi(2) Disputed
2 points

no girl wishes to be raped. And you wouldnt have said this if you had any respect for women. Rape itself means 'having sex without consent'. Is it not enough to prove that the girl doesnot agree with what you are doing to her

Side: No
Billie(790) Disputed
1 point

Yes, because she caused it on her self. DUR.??!! Why else would you want to dress like that if you don't intend on getting raped or something like that

Many reasons; some women are promiscuious, others are inwardly insecure thus desire attention and feel that sexual attention is the answer, others simply want to feel good about themselves therefore wear something that is flattering but also scanty. Whilst a woman who dresses provocatively and who parades her body round the streets at night may be very stupid, she is in most cases not "asking" to be raped. Lastly, if you were out at night after a rough day of work and you leave the bar you were socializing at and happen to notice a young woman dressed in the sexiest garment you have ever laid eyes on that barely covers her incredibly hot body, whilst she sips on a glass of red and gazes at the stars as she unwinds from a hard day in the office, would you still think she is "intending on being raped" or perhaps just out on a warm night enjoying a tasty glass of wine whilst observing the night life of the city and feeling amazing in the process?

Side: No

We must ask ourselves whether a man capable of raping a woman would avoid doing so if she was clothed. I should think not.

Women should not be denied the right to wear what they will based upon the antics of degenerate rapists.

Side: No
2 points

Jesus fucking Christ, is a kid that is molested by a priest just as at fault for looking like a fucking altar boy? Or is a murder victim as at fault as the murderer for looking murder-able. Fucking ignorance?

Side: No
Billie(790) Disputed
1 point

Your langauge is rather ill-mannered for starters. Those situations differ immensly to this one, as you would have noticed if you'd used your brain. A girl has a choice; she can choose to wear longer skirts/dresses or wear jeans and a higher top etc. If she does not and is raped, that is the question I was asking. A man who is murdered might not have had any way out of it (aka whatever he wore most likely had nothing to do with it) whereas a scantily clad female could have covered up and decreased her chances of being raped somewhat. Please, use sense and calm down. I think many factors enter the equation of this argument such as time, place, who she is with etc. For example, if she is walking down the street in a mini dress with her panties showing after midnight and alone, her chances of being sexually attacked are high. If she is wearing jeans and a t-shirt walking down the street after midnight with a group of friends, the chances of her being sexually assaulted are far lower.

Side: yes
Cbunny89(1) Disputed
2 points

Here's the thing though, it actually doesn't matter what the girl is wearing because vagina! Any girl walking anywhere at anytime has a chance of being raped. If it mattered why are old women getting raped as well as babies? It is sick that people even would think it is the victims fault! No one wants to get raped! NO ONE! It would however be nice to wear what we like and not be looking over our shoulder all the time because if something happens it might be our fault!

Side: No
1 point

actually the fu cked up parent that sent the child to church would be at fault. and believe or not, many people bring the killer out in people. most murders dont occur just because its fun.

Side: Yes
2 points

Absolutely not. In North American Western society, even if a girl is parading down town NAKED that does not give ANYONE the right to rape her.

No one "asks" to be raped, that is absolutely absurd.

Side: No
Billie(790) Disputed
1 point

Absolutely not. In North American Western society, even if a girl is parading down town NAKED that does not give ANYONE the right to rape her.

No one "asks" to be raped, that is absolutely absurd.

Of course she doesn't "ask" to be raped - you, like many others, have misread the question. I ask is it her fault as well as his. So, whilst he is at fault for his evil actions, is she also at fault for displaying too much flesh thus inviting sexual attention.

Side: yes
honie(103) Disputed
2 points

Then in direct answer to your question, I do not believe that the girl is at fault as well as the man.

Displaying a certain amount of flesh to some may seem enticing, and to others completely normal. What is "appropriate" in terms of clothing varies from person to person, culture to culture. A woman should not have to walk around in fear knowing that perhaps her wearing shorts is inviting sexual attention to certain kinds of men, and thus she could be raped, and then partially blamed for it. (I'm not calling shorts "sexual", just that some may view it as that way).

So no, if a girl is dressed provocatively and is raped, it is not her fault, it is soley the man for not respecting the womans wishes and violating her.

Side: No
1 point

No it is his fault. I have to say though women need to dress better nowadays. Women are stressing more sluty. I think their is to much pressure on women to dress a certain way in order to be excepted by men in society.

Side: No
1 point

What? Billie you can't be serious with this? No way is it her fault.

Side: No
1 point

The opinion was not my own which is why I wanted several answers to see what others believe. If I'm lucky, some may explain why they think it is/is not her fault.

Side: No
1 point

Okie dokie... that's what I figured .

Side: No
1 point

NO WAY! I'll admit girls shouldn't tempting them by showing so much skin, but if you're at a pool in your bikini or something men have to be able to control there primitive reactions. It's just that simple.

Side: No
1 point

I agree, but what if its a night club and a woman is scantily dressed and steps outside for a breath of fresh air and a man grabs her and pulls her behind a bush type thing? Would she be partially to blame for her provocative clothing?

Side: No
honie(103) Disputed
1 point

I don't think so, if that is the case, where do you draw the line legally for what is "scantilly" clad and what is not? 3 inches above the knee, 6? If you forcibly grab someone and force them to do the dirty, it's rape. If she is not consenting, it's rape. No man has the right to judge whether or not a woman is "asking for it".

Side: No
1 point

I'll admit girls shouldn't tempting them by showing so much skin

While I agree with your overall sentiment, this sentence troubles me. First of all, you would NEVER say this to a guy who was raped..or a guy in general. Second of all, the only reason showing skin is taboo is because society made it that way, and in doing so, provided an easy way to blame the victim. Men can take their shirt off and run around in their underwear, and it's fine, because the women are expected to have some self control. But everytime I throw on a tank top or a short skirt, I have to hear about what men are going to think about me for doing so. The girls who are showing skin are likely doing so because they feel good about themselves and it makes them happy. But we can't be happy and confident because it might tempt men, and that's a load of crap. Society needs to take off the damn kiddie gloves and tell men to get over it. If I go out buck ass naked, because I'm having a good ass day, I damn well expect men (and society) to get over their own social hangups and be happy that someone overcame society's expectations and was confident in their own damn body. It's just skin - everyone has it.

Side: No

Rape is about power mostly not sex, this is why rape victims are not all highly attractive women that were "asking for it", a lot of rapists are either mentally unstable or victims of sexual abuse themselves, rape is an opportunist crime that rarely includes any planning and is therefore not pre-meditated, meaning rapists do not go out intentionally to rape and their victim is chosen more on locality and proximity and not on sexual attractiveness.

Side: No
1 point

Totaly the guy's fault. If he wanted to shag her he could ask or try to persuade/seduce her, etc. Ultimately, he could offer money... lol. If she dumped him, all he had to do would be to go home and play 5vs1.

I mean, we see provocative girls everywhere and everyday (fortunately), and they aren't being raped for that. They brake lots of hearts tho...

Side: No
Billie(790) Disputed
1 point

Yes, he could ask her. But man, why aren't people reading my question? She has already been raped, and I am asking if she is also to blame for dressing provocatively? The question is not about him, it is about her clothing. And sure, beautiful girls break hearts, but this is not an excuse to rape them. I understand your first point of what he could have done instead of raping her, but my question is not in relation to what he could have done, but about whether she is to blame (as well as him) for what happened to her due to flaunting her body for all to see.

Let me stress again: We know he is to blame for raping her and we know his act was evil. The question is asking whether she might be to blame also for flaunting her scantily clad body.

Side: yes
Skaruts(195) Disputed
2 points

I did answer that question with my very first statement Totally the guy's fault. Although I didn't develop on that.

As far as I'm concerned she could go out on the street naked, and I would have to get a grip on myself, since I'm the one who's responsible for my own actions as much as anyone else is for their own. If she was responsible for anything, at most it would be for attracting attention and pretenders, and even approaches.

But from the moment at which she isn't responsible for what a man's hands do, she's clean of any responsibility.

However, if there's a bit of a kinky fetish for being raped in the back of her mind that triggers her wish for being provocative, then maybe she can be blamed to some or a great extent, since she may act in ways that will help things evolve up to that point. But that's something that will always be hard to find out about, unless she confesses it willingly.

It's a bit of a tough matter, as many girls nowadays do like being provocative to fill their ego, and maybe to get something else, and I can't blame them for that. It's part of our nature to enjoy being enjoyed.

And I had a confession from a girl I know that she would like to feel raped. But, after all, the rapist of her fantasy would be no more than a very hadsome young man who would "gently" force her into a very hardcore intercourse that she would end up enjoying. So I think girls that have this kind of fantasy/fetish never (or hardly ever) dream about being painfully injured while at it. But then again, if she acts accordingly and things get out of hand, then maybe she can be blamed. But who's to know...

Side: No

By definition, rape is: An unwanted sexual assault forced on the victim without consent. By definition, fault is: The responsibility for failure, or a wrongful act. Which in this case, is the rape. So in this sense, rape can never be blamed on the victim. But there needs to be a distinction between desire and fault. for example, if a woman is willingly in a dangerous area wearing provocative clothing, she is either very dimwitted, or she understands that she may be raped, and in remaining in said dangerous area, she is in some form responsible for the sexual assault because she could have prevented it by not putting herself in those circumstances, even though she did not desire it to happen.

Side: only if she resists

Anyone who would blame a female rape victim for her attacker's actions assumes the following:

(1) Women are responsible not only for maintaining their own sphere of sexual propriety, but that too of men's.

(2) Men are animals (not in the anthropological or even biological sense that we, as homo sapiens sapiens, are actually "animals," but rather, are animal-like in that they lack the consciousness to dominate their biological drives).

(3) A woman who dresses provocatively "invites" sexual anyone's sexual advances.

To accept this premise is to say that men are incapable of overcoming the biological need to "mate" with a woman upon being aroused. This diminutive take on male sexuality reduces them as rational humans, effectively stripping them of accountability with regard to sex acts. I struggle to even label "rape" as a sex act. To say this would make it difficult to distinguish non-rapists from rapists, since every male with a functionally erect penis is a potential "rapist."

I do not believe that rape is essentially sexual, but rather, a sexual vehicle of power, humiliation, and subjugation--that being said, not every male who honors and respects female sexuality (be it a matter of identity or expression of sexual power vis-a-vis dressing "sexy") is a potential rapist. Although there are different pathologies, rapists are not overcome by a force they cannot resist in the presence of a "near naked" (read: provocative) woman, rather, these men selectively deny these women's agency as rational, emotional beings and objectify her body to suit their own ends: power over, humiliation towards, subjugation of, etc. These particular types of assailants accomplish the same task with as little as groping a woman or talking to her like she was sexually available. The act of rape emerges at the risk that she will rebel or show resistance, a concept he cannot accept because she is a woman.

What pheramones a woman's body exudes while she is in estrus is not up to her; when and where and how a woman chooses to have sex with a man is what is consensual. A person made the point earlier, which I believe makes an important claim regarding the baselessness critics of confident or even insecure women have regarding their bodies:

Even a woman walking naked in the United States down a crowded cannot be said to be inviting her own rape.

I'll leave what such a demonstration might represent to women themselves, since as a male, I do not believe that I have a place to define the significance of how a woman chooses to display, cover, or use her own body.

Side: No
1 point

It is not girl's fault.. Even if she is dressed up in an erotic way, d guy need her permission to touch her....

BLAMING D GIRLS Z NORMAL GUYS MENTALITY...

Itz good dat i'm nt one of them...

Side: No
1 point

It is just sheer ignorance and appalling sexism to state that a rape victim is to blame depending on how she chooses to dress. I am shocked that in the modern day and age some of you choose to go by a black and white rule book of gender roles! Such mindsets are something out of the dark ages. Men are humans, not animals and REAL men who are humane will NOT rape a woman even if she were to stand before him stark naked, and in proclaiming that women are at fault because of their dress code you are indirectly saying that YOU as a man would rape a woman if she paraded in front of you with a mini skirt. Please wake up you ignorant fools and realize that you are making all men (even respectable men) look like total jack-asses. Rapists are sick in the head and will rape ANYTHING with a vagina regardless of how dressed or undressed she is. What about child victims? Are they also to blame just because the perp just so happens to fancy children? The justice system needs to stop playing the blame game and realize that these psychos need to be behind bars. There is NO excuse for rape and there should be ZERO tolerance! These predators need to feel the full extent of the law and have done to them what they did to their victims.

Side: No
1 point

By this way of thinking girls, and guys, should expect to get raped while at the beach, where the most revealing clothing is socially permissible. Saying that what a girl wears makes her responsible for rape is a product of a false sense of security. It comes from girls thinking that they can protect themselves from rape by taking control of her environment. If I don't wear what that girl did, go to that same place, etc... then I will not be raped. Girls also make it confusing for boys to understand that a girl is not responsible for rape by falsely putting the blame of girls. Rape is done to babies, children, grandmothers, men, women fully covered in religious garments. It is never about what she wears. It is all about a man's character and control.

Side: No
1 point

Ok first of all, guys get raped too. Second, girls are told to cover up so that boys don't get the "wrong impression" but who is to say what the wrong impression actually is? There are girls in this world who go out in sweatshirts and sweat pants.so are they asking for it? No,they want to be comfortable as well as people who dress in less. Nobody ever asks for rape that's why it's called rape! You don't want it but the other forces you. The victim never wanted to have sex.,if they did then they would have done something sexual.girls shouldn't have to cover up just so we won't "distract" guys.they should be the ones to respect woman.What I'm saying is,it doesn't matter what you are wearing,everyone gets raped.

Side: No

It is always, 100% the fault of the rapist. A potential victim dressing conservatively and avoiding certain areas does not prevent rape- that rapist is still going to find a target. This merely reduces individual likelihood of being that target- and there is almost no way to reduce that chance to 0.

Those actions that a potential victim can take to reduce individual likelihood also come with their own costs, tangible and otherwise. There are any number of reasons where a particular measure that could be taken to reduce the likelihood would simply be unfeasible, and it is not something anybody should be expected to HAVE to do to prevent themselves from being raped. I really hate when people conflate the issue like that- these are things people can do to reduce their personal chances of being targeted by a rapist- not strategies for preventing rape. Rape is NEVER the victims fault.

Side: No
1 point

It should not matter how she is raped, it is entirely the rapist's fault. The blame the victim mentality is sick and horrible and needs to stop.

Side: No
1 point

It is completely rude of a woman to dress provocatively because it makes men think things they shouldn't. But that doesn't warrant him to rape her. Men who rape women are the reason women don't trust men. If she's not wearing enough clothes, look away, control yourself, or even request that she put more clothes on if you feel like that's something you can do. I personally would actually appreciate it if I was told that I was wearing clothes that were immodest. That way I could fix it. But whatever you do, don't rape her!

Side: No